morganfainberg | ayoung, dns can be ~255 chars, just use the whole dn as the id | 00:04 |
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morganfainberg | DNs that is, not domain name service | 00:04 |
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morganfainberg | just urlencode/decode at the controller layer | 00:04 |
morganfainberg | anyway.. bbib. | 00:05 |
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henrynash | morganfainberg: ping | 08:58 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, how goes? | 08:58 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, wow, i guess i should be sleeping :P ah well, fair bet i'm awake late Pacific time. | 08:59 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: good…nice sunny morning here in UK | 08:59 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, nice. betcha it's a nice temp out too, right? | 08:59 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: where are u on the west coast? | 08:59 |
morganfainberg | Los Angeles | 08:59 |
morganfainberg | more specifically, pasadena. | 09:00 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: ahh, spent 10 years living in the bay area….cupertino, los gatos & walnut creek | 09:00 |
morganfainberg | nice area | 09:00 |
morganfainberg | used to work up in san mateo | 09:00 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: yes,bay area is since | 09:01 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: so thinking more about our user_id problem over night | 09:01 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, ah yes, i haven't slept on it yet, but up for more convos | 09:01 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: there is one big fly in my arguments about letting all the assignment calls just reflect what the if mapping say | 09:02 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: groups. | 09:02 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, aye | 09:02 |
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henrynash | morganfainberg: while a lot of the assignment calls are fine (e.g. grants etc.) | 09:02 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, i can see that. | 09:02 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: if you want to get what roles YOU have…you need to know what groups you are in….which is inidentity | 09:03 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: ouch | 09:03 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, yep =/ | 09:03 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: and I'm about to make it worse….I'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1201487 | 09:03 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1201487 in keystone "listing projects for a user omits those that only have group related roles" [High,In progress] | 09:04 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, hm. maybe we (ugh, api change) do an x-domain-subject header, if that isn't passed in it is always based on current context? | 09:04 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, this might be slightly insane, couple beers and 2am here | 09:05 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: maybe not so insaine... | 09:05 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, it would solve some issues. still need user_ids to be a bit more descriptive than "cn" out of ldap.. but that is a difference bridge | 09:06 |
morganfainberg | different* | 09:06 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, the only sticking point is dealing with unscoped tokens (does v3 even really do that?) | 09:08 |
morganfainberg | but that probably isn't too bad. actually | 09:08 |
henrynash | morganfainberg: so in fact (if we ignore authenticate by user_id, rather than username for second) we either have an explicit domain or can get one from the project with every token | 09:09 |
henrynash | that's true today | 09:09 |
morganfainberg | right. the only edge cases are "cloud admin" type roles or if you want the ability to manage across a domain. | 09:09 |
henrynash | so we could say that domain IS the scope unless you tell us otherwise explicitely | 09:10 |
morganfainberg | that isn't really too bad of an idea | 09:10 |
morganfainberg | though, since it seems (at first glance) to be an API change, likely that requires icehouse | 09:11 |
henrynash | and for IceHouse we add a domainID to authenticate with user_id, while still supporting the old one, and if you are using multi-domain you really need o use the new version | 09:11 |
morganfainberg | yes | 09:11 |
henrynash | that's the only change we'd need | 09:11 |
morganfainberg | i'm kind of likeing that | 09:11 |
henrynash | project scoped tokens can always deduce the domain from the project entity, which is assignmnet | 09:12 |
morganfainberg | yep | 09:12 |
morganfainberg | i see only one issue atm | 09:12 |
morganfainberg | are trusts explicitly project scoped ? (sorry it's late) | 09:12 |
morganfainberg | i know they are user based. | 09:13 |
morganfainberg | if they are project scoped, we're ok. | 09:13 |
henrynash | hmm, not sure…would have to look, that's an young question | 09:13 |
morganfainberg | yep | 09:13 |
henrynash | yes they must be…you delegate the roles you have on project X to user Y | 09:13 |
morganfainberg | the rest seems fine. V2 can assume default_domain (who cares we get to deprecate that eventually, basic support is all thats needed) | 09:13 |
henrynash | agreed | 09:14 |
henrynash | so for H this would all hang together as long as you don't log in by user_id | 09:14 |
morganfainberg | and to support the idea of cross-domain data gathering, i guess thats where x-domain-subject comes in? provided, of course, you're allowed to do that | 09:14 |
henrynash | yes, have to think about that…. | 09:15 |
morganfainberg | for h, i think it's shore up as much as we can easily. get more scafolding in | 09:15 |
morganfainberg | keep it "Expirimental" | 09:15 |
henrynash | experimental, i agree | 09:15 |
morganfainberg | but mostly working, edge cases will be present | 09:15 |
morganfainberg | e.g. no cross domain introspection | 09:15 |
henrynash | yes, I think that's right | 09:16 |
henrynash | I *think* we can get away without that.... | 09:16 |
morganfainberg | if you don't have a token scoped to the domain, sorry i can't help you | 09:16 |
morganfainberg | so, login in the domain is required to act on the domain (in split-id mode) | 09:16 |
henrynash | no, if you have a project scoped token, we pull the domain out of the project | 09:16 |
morganfainberg | hrm. | 09:16 |
morganfainberg | could a member of domain b have membership to project in domain a? | 09:17 |
henrynash | but that does give you permission to do something (that's up to the policy file_ | 09:17 |
henrynash | sadly, in theory, yes | 09:17 |
morganfainberg | then we _must_ make user_id more explicit, and include domain information | 09:18 |
henrynash | for the z-domain case, we do have a problem…that will be the edge case we can't handle | 09:18 |
morganfainberg | e.g. 2 sql domains would have (in theory) the same issue as 2 ldap domains, which domain do you lookup against? or just search and if you find duplicates… undefined behaviro? | 09:18 |
henrynash | (x-domain) | 09:18 |
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henrynash | hmmm……time for more thinking... | 09:19 |
morganfainberg | actually that issue is present in the N>1 domain case (with split backend) | 09:19 |
morganfainberg | that could be part of the "experimental" nature, sorry, you can't do cross-domain yet | 09:20 |
henrynash | i think there are issues there anyway, yes. for instance, what policy file rules do you right to control what can and cannot happen across domains….a token will only contain one domain_did | 09:20 |
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morganfainberg | right. | 09:21 |
henrynash | yes, I'm pretty sure that will be it…we can probably solve the rest for H, but not that | 09:21 |
morganfainberg | basically, with split backend, enforce the need for domain-scope (one way or another) and don't try and solve cross-domain (token is your domain scope) | 09:22 |
morganfainberg | that seems like a reasonable starting place for H. | 09:22 |
henrynash | agreed | 09:22 |
morganfainberg | and, probably still a sizable delta, nothing insane. (I think i'm about 40-50% there locally atm) | 09:22 |
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morganfainberg | just in my exploration of "fixing" the bug mark miller (right?) entered | 09:23 |
henrynash | aged…two main things to do…fix a fe bugs that don't pick up domain if where it should in auth | 09:23 |
morganfainberg | i think there is only 1 case of that at the moment | 09:23 |
henrynash | I think you are right | 09:24 |
morganfainberg | and the rest is just deriving domain where we expect it. | 09:24 |
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henrynash | and then if it's a project scoped token, pull the domain id out of the project and put that in the context, and a bunch more calls in the Manager layer must pick that up | 09:24 |
morganfainberg | only a couple cases where that is hard(ish) 2 or 3 (where we lookup project or domain based upon something like a user_ref lookup) | 09:25 |
morganfainberg | can't always be context, some places don't know anything about context, but know project id | 09:25 |
morganfainberg | same net effect though | 09:25 |
morganfainberg | lookup prtoject and snag domain | 09:26 |
henrynash | well have I did for the identity calls is I changed the controller code to grab the domain out of context (or wherever) and pass that as domain_scope into the manager layer… | 09:27 |
morganfainberg | yeah i saw that | 09:27 |
morganfainberg | need to add that to a couple more things | 09:27 |
henrynash | yep | 09:27 |
morganfainberg | e.g. delete_user :P | 09:27 |
henrynash | did I miss that…damn!! :-) | 09:27 |
morganfainberg | hehe i think so | 09:27 |
henrynash | oops | 09:27 |
morganfainberg | also need to guard on domain deletion for read-only id backends | 09:27 |
morganfainberg | would delete credentials and tokens for 1 user or 1 group and bail because it can't delete the object (aka ForbiddenAction) | 09:28 |
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morganfainberg | i'll get a couple of those types of fixes in here as well since they technically are directly related. | 09:29 |
henrynash | ok, right | 09:29 |
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morganfainberg | i think i have my target to work towards for early next week. hopefully monday i'll have something up | 09:30 |
henrynash | great job thinking all this through….a nice mess young and I have created :-) More me, probably | 09:30 |
morganfainberg | eh, the blame is spread around pretty evenly | 09:31 |
henrynash | ok, feel free to bounce ideas off me….it's a tough nut | 09:31 |
morganfainberg | totally will, gotta look at a couple new apartments this weekend (it's time to move! wheee) | 09:31 |
morganfainberg | so, not sure how active i'll be until sunday afternoonish here | 09:31 |
morganfainberg | but i'll stew on this overnight at least. might have an epiphany! | 09:32 |
henrynash | sure, no worries, sometimes on these kind of things jut smelling it over with our writing code is a good plan | 09:33 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, anyways, enjoy your nice and sunny morning! I'm going to sleep through the warm and summer-y night. | 09:33 |
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henrynash | go for it. | 09:34 |
henrynash | good night | 09:34 |
morganfainberg | cheers | 09:34 |
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ekarlso- | creately or invision for ui design ? | 12:16 |
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insanida1e | anyone alive this saturday ? | 14:18 |
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insanidade | anteaya: hey | 15:25 |
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anteaya | hello insanidade | 15:25 |
anteaya | how are you doing? | 15:25 |
insanidade | anteaya: fine. hope you are fine as well. | 15:29 |
anteaya | yes thanks | 15:30 |
insanidade | anteaya: I'm trying to install devstack on an ubuntu vm inside the vagrant+virtualbox setup but it keeps complaining about packages in their apt-get repositories and some weird errors. I had no problems when using CentOs instead of ubuntu. | 15:30 |
insanidade | I'm giving it a last chance. if it keeps presenting errors, I'll bet back to CentOs where I had absolutely no problems for installing devstack. | 15:31 |
anteaya | are you willing to share a paste with the errors? | 15:32 |
insanidade | anteaya: as soon as it happen again - I hope they wont. I'm running a ./stack.sh right now. | 15:32 |
anteaya | insanidade: have you spent anytime with this? http://anteaya.info/blog/2013/09/01/installing-devstack-with-vagrant/ | 15:33 |
anteaya | well if you are missing packages it will complain again | 15:33 |
insanidade | absolutely. I found your post in openstack's blog. same as I do here. | 15:33 |
anteaya | ah okay | 15:34 |
insanidade | anteaya: they look like repository errors. | 15:34 |
anteaya | then yes, I would be interested in taking a peek at the errors | 15:34 |
anteaya | okay | 15:34 |
insanidade | well, this is just a test. I had no problems with CentOs. If I get stuck in those problems, I'll create another machine and keep working with it. | 15:34 |
insanidade | anteaya: I'll paste the errors in case they happen. | 15:35 |
insanidade | anteaya: I decided trying ubuntu because most of developers say they are using it and are pretty happy with it. kind of a standard. | 15:35 |
anteaya | it is yes | 15:36 |
anteaya | thanks for giving it a try | 15:36 |
anteaya | how is your blog coming along? | 15:36 |
anteaya | your installation of devstack on centos would make a good blog post as well | 15:37 |
insanidade | anteaya: organizing text to be published. I've had no time to fully dedicate my efforts to it. I've been on some product presentations this week and still trying to change the default l3 agent/driver so that it works with a specific router. | 15:38 |
insanidade | anteaya: but there will be a blog :) | 15:39 |
insanidade | anteaya: and we have an error. paste is coming. | 15:39 |
anteaya | yay for errors | 15:39 |
anteaya | yay for blog | 15:39 |
insanidade | http://paste.openstack.org/show/46082/ | 15:40 |
insanidade | anteaya: this 'apt-get update' and the other suggestion were considered and executed. same issue. | 15:41 |
insanidade | anteaya: well, I'm using a precise 64 box. I could try using the 32 one you suggested in your post. What do you think ? | 15:41 |
anteaya | it should work with 64 bit | 15:43 |
anteaya | I run 64 bit on my laptop | 15:43 |
anteaya | the reason the blog post suggests 32 is in case the reader hasn't changed their bios settings to allow 64 bit virtualization | 15:44 |
anteaya | do you run 64 bit on your centos? | 15:44 |
anteaya | have you changed your bios to allow for 64 bit virtualization? | 15:44 |
anteaya | sometimes it is the stuff you don't ask about that bites you | 15:45 |
insanidade | yes for 64 with centos and yes for bios. | 15:45 |
anteaya | okay great | 15:45 |
anteaya | you have to run sudo with apt-get update | 15:45 |
anteaya | did you run `sudo apt-get update`? | 15:46 |
insanidade | yep | 15:46 |
insanidade | twice. | 15:46 |
anteaya | could you do it again and paste the last 4 or 5 lines of the output? | 15:46 |
anteaya | update just updates all the sources where it looks for packages | 15:47 |
anteaya | so update doesn't change anything by running it again | 15:47 |
insanidade | seems like a clean command execution: http://paste.openstack.org/show/46084/ | 15:48 |
anteaya | I agree | 15:48 |
anteaya | okay what is the command you run that results in an error? | 15:48 |
insanidade | anteaya: looks like it's trying to install mysql server. it happens during ./stack.sh : http://paste.openstack.org/show/46085/ | 15:53 |
anteaya | what happens if you go ahead and install those packages yourself? | 15:54 |
anteaya | for instance `sudo apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl` | 15:54 |
anteaya | I have no idea why they aren't installing for you | 15:55 |
anteaya | perhaps we can discover why if you install them by hand | 15:55 |
anteaya | once they are on your system devstack should recognize them and not try to install them again | 15:55 |
insanidade | yeah. just tried it. They are successfully installed. | 15:56 |
insanidade | one by one. | 15:56 |
insanidade | even dependencies are resolved. | 15:56 |
anteaya | great | 15:57 |
anteaya | let's see what happens when you run ./stack.sh now | 15:57 |
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insanidade | anteaya: just fired it up again. | 16:00 |
insanidade | after installing each of those packages. | 16:01 |
anteaya | great | 16:01 |
anteaya | let's watch what happens | 16:01 |
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insanidade | anteaya: yeah...stuck again. | 16:55 |
anteaya | paste? | 16:55 |
insanidade | it just got stuck at that point: http://paste.openstack.org/show/46088/ | 16:56 |
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* anteaya looks | 16:57 | |
anteaya | by stuck, what do you mean? | 16:57 |
anteaya | did it exit and return the prompt? | 16:57 |
anteaya | I don't see an error | 16:58 |
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insanidade | anteaya: I mean it is still there. Nothing beyond that last line. | 16:58 |
anteaya | great | 16:58 |
anteaya | it is still running that command | 16:58 |
anteaya | `python manage.py syncdb --noinput` | 16:58 |
anteaya | make a cup of tea | 16:59 |
insanidade | anteaya: I'm not sure. The same has happened last night and it took hours there. Now, I don't see any extra execution, the system is not stressed... looks like nothing is happening. | 16:59 |
anteaya | well don't cut it off yet | 16:59 |
insanidade | it didn't take that long - not even half of that time - in my previous Centos installation. | 16:59 |
anteaya | okay | 17:00 |
anteaya | but last night you didn't have the sql libraries correct? | 17:00 |
insanidade | ./stack.sh is something that runs in last than 25 minutes here. This one took 3 or 4 hours stuck at that same point last night. | 17:00 |
anteaya | that seems to be a django command, at least that is what my searches are coming up with | 17:01 |
insanidade | anteaya: well, I assume I had the sql libraries - otherwise, how would the script reach this point ? | 17:01 |
anteaya | something to do with horizon perhaps? | 17:01 |
insanidade | anteaya: and for some reason the libraries were not available now. odd. | 17:01 |
anteaya | I thought that ubuntu errored out when you tried to install them | 17:02 |
anteaya | okay well how long has it been working on that command? | 17:02 |
insanidade | anteaya: yes, it errored out. but at the first time it did not.it was able to reach the point where I'm right now. | 17:02 |
insanidade | probably 20 minutes now. | 17:02 |
anteaya | hmmmm | 17:02 |
insanidade | the whole process used to take 20 minutes or a little more. | 17:02 |
anteaya | I wonder how it was able to install the packages the first time and then not find them the second time | 17:03 |
anteaya | that doesn't make any sense | 17:03 |
insanidade | yeah | 17:03 |
insanidade | I agree. | 17:03 |
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anteaya | I'm looking up this command to see if I can figure out why it would stall | 17:05 |
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insanidade | anteaya: I appreciate your support :) | 17:06 |
anteaya | no problem | 17:07 |
anteaya | I admire your determination | 17:07 |
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anteaya | here is manage.py https://pypi.python.org/pypi/manage.py/0.1 | 17:08 |
anteaya | it comes with django | 17:08 |
anteaya | and invokations of manage.py runs django commands | 17:09 |
anteaya | --noinput is a flag to tell it not to wait for anything more before running | 17:09 |
anteaya | so why is syncdb stalling | 17:09 |
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anteaya | so again something is happening with the db on that vm | 17:09 |
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insanidade | anteaya: yeah. | 17:10 |
anteaya | is that vm different in any way from the vm on which your centos + devstack is running? | 17:10 |
anteaya | brb | 17:10 |
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insanidade | anteaya: it's a different vagrant box but the same kind of configuration in Vagrantfile. | 17:12 |
anteaya | can I see the Vagrantfiles for both boxes? | 17:12 |
insanidade | anteaya: I delete the vagrant file for the CentOs box :( | 17:13 |
anteaya | :( | 17:13 |
anteaya | how can you bring it back up again without the vagrantfile? | 17:13 |
insanidade | anteaya: I shared the /opt/stack folder. I'd like to have access to the source files in my host machine. Can you think about any problem that would cause? | 17:14 |
anteaya | no, that shouldn't create a problem | 17:15 |
insanidade | anteaya: I can't. But it works in every horst I try. So I'm pretty confident I can retry it in this host too. | 17:15 |
anteaya | really? | 17:15 |
anteaya | I thought vagrant read the vagrantfile before bringing up the box | 17:15 |
anteaya | perhaps I am wrong | 17:15 |
insanidade | I mean the Centos box. | 17:15 |
insanidade | you are right. | 17:15 |
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anteaya | yes I mean the centos box too | 17:16 |
insanidade | I mean: the same process I use to bring the Centos machine up works everywhere. | 17:16 |
insanidade | to big changes in the Vagrantfile. | 17:16 |
anteaya | can you paste the process | 17:16 |
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insanidade | I just vagrant init,increase the ammount of ram memory to use in Vagrantfile, save it, import the box, vagrant ssh into it, clone devstack, cd into devstack folder and ./stack.sh. | 17:17 |
anteaya | do you install any dependencies on the centos box before you run ~/devstack/.stack.sh? | 17:18 |
anteaya | can I see the vagrantfile of the vm you are trying to get devstack running on ubuntu? | 17:19 |
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insanidade | anteaya: I don't install anything prior to running ./stack.sh. It tries to yum dependencies. | 17:19 |
insanidade | anteaya: I found the Vagrantfile for the Centos box: http://paste.openstack.org/show/46090/ | 17:20 |
anteaya | okay | 17:20 |
anteaya | great thanks | 17:20 |
insanidade | anteaya: and this is the Vagrantfile for the current machine I'm trying to configure devstack at: http://paste.openstack.org/show/46091/ | 17:21 |
insanidade | anteaya: there's a minor difference in the networking config. should that matter that much ? | 17:21 |
insanidade | both machines are capable of reaching internet. | 17:22 |
anteaya | it shouldn't | 17:22 |
anteaya | but for the sake of exploration | 17:22 |
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anteaya | can you bring up a vagrant box with ubuntu and use a Vagrantfile similar to this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/46090/ | 17:23 |
anteaya | so let's try not even increases the RAM for now | 17:23 |
anteaya | increasing | 17:23 |
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insanidade | ok | 17:24 |
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anteaya | in the ubuntu vagrant file the indentation of the ruby is not exact, but I don't think that should matter | 17:26 |
anteaya | can I see the vagrantfile before you bring the box up? | 17:27 |
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insanidade | anteaya: the same in //paste.openstack.org/show/46090/ . I just changed the config.vm.box to the one from the previous machine. | 17:29 |
anteaya | can I see that edit then? | 17:30 |
anteaya | let's ensure the syntax is correct | 17:30 |
insanidade | here you go: http://paste.openstack.org/show/46095/ | 17:31 |
insanidade | everything but the config.vm.box variable is commented out. | 17:31 |
insanidade | and it is set to 'ubuntu' | 17:32 |
anteaya | great | 17:32 |
anteaya | thanks for humouring me | 17:32 |
anteaya | let's see what happens now | 17:32 |
anteaya | so you are going to follow the steps in my blog post again, yes? | 17:32 |
insanidade | damn! remember that point where ./stack.sh got stuck? | 17:33 |
insanidade | it was still there. then I just pressed control+C so that I could start trying with the new Vagrantfile and the whole process just continued as if no problems had happened. | 17:34 |
insanidade | doesn't make any sense to me. | 17:34 |
anteaya | really | 17:35 |
anteaya | well let's see what happens | 17:35 |
anteaya | makes no sense to me either | 17:38 |
insanidade | the logs are insane. there's a totall loss of confidence in this env I have here. Even if it tells me it successfullyinstalled, I'll prefer repeating it until things go the way we know they should be. | 17:40 |
insanidade | sorry for my fat fingers :P | 17:41 |
anteaya | no worries | 17:41 |
anteaya | I mistype all the time | 17:41 |
anteaya | let's go again | 17:42 |
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insanidade | I think I'll destroy this vagrant box and create it again. | 17:42 |
insanidade | with that new vagrant file. | 17:42 |
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anteaya | okay | 17:46 |
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anteaya | brb | 18:00 |
insanidade | something is annoying me: Bad header line [IP: 91.189.91.13 80] | 18:04 |
insanidade | this messge keeps showing up | 18:04 |
insanidade | and the ./stack.sh process fails. | 18:04 |
insanidade | anyway. it failed again. | 18:05 |
insanidade | I'll try something else. | 18:05 |
anteaya | hmmmm | 18:08 |
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insanidade | anteaya: I'll investigate the ubuntu vm issue with devstack later. Something very weird happens and/or I'm missing something. I just started installing it in CentOs. | 19:25 |
insanidade | anteaya: and, by the way, in CentOs it installs RDO. | 19:25 |
insanidade | anteaya: thanks for helping me :) | 19:25 |
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anteaya | okay | 19:31 |
anteaya | your are welcome | 19:31 |
anteaya | sorry we couldn't get it working | 19:31 |
anteaya | what is RDO? | 19:32 |
anteaya | s/your/you're | 19:32 |
insanidade | anteaya: Redhat's openstack | 19:32 |
anteaya | oh | 19:32 |
insanidade | it's their product, basically | 19:32 |
anteaya | how interesting | 19:32 |
anteaya | so is it devstack or not? | 19:32 |
insanidade | anteaya: I might get back to that ubuntu issue later. Me and that issue have unfinished business now. | 19:33 |
anteaya | devstack is the development environment, production openstack is different | 19:33 |
anteaya | yeah, I hear that | 19:33 |
insanidade | anteaya: It gives me the same stuff I found in ubuntu's devstack installatioin. | 19:34 |
insanidade | *installation | 19:34 |
anteaya | do you have repos in /opt/stack? | 19:35 |
anteaya | do you have a tox.ini file in the project repos in /opt/stack? | 19:35 |
insanidade | yep | 19:35 |
anteaya | okay looks like you are good to go | 19:35 |
insanidade | you mean a tox.ini file for each of the repo folders, right ? | 19:37 |
anteaya | yes | 19:38 |
anteaya | for instance logs won't have one | 19:38 |
insanidade | yep, they are there. | 19:38 |
anteaya | but it is the logs from the projects, not a project itself | 19:38 |
anteaya | great | 19:38 |
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