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| lbragstad | if anyone from keystone is around and wants to do a review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39934/ ;) | 01:44 |
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| jamielennox | lbragstad: does this impact logging setup in the non-cli case? | 02:18 |
| jamielennox | i'm thinking of reading log information from the config file in the case of httpd | 02:18 |
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| lbragstad | jamielennox: I was able to still read log information when running this fix using apahce | 02:19 |
| lbragstad | apache* | 02:19 |
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| jamielennox | oh ok, the httpd scripts calls setup_logging | 02:19 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad: i hadn't checked the httpd setup, which is why i hadn't reviewed it yet | 02:20 |
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| lbragstad | morganfainberg: ahh gotcha, no worries | 02:21 |
| jamielennox | is there any point calling setup_logging? why not just have keystone-all and httpd call keystone.openstack.common.logging.setup? | 02:21 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: i'll probably get to it tomorrow. | 02:21 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: thats what i wanted to look into. | 02:22 |
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| jamielennox | lbragstad: -1ed just to drop the setup_logging function. Nice work on getting that through oslo, i watched the process but was out of my depth by the end. | 02:28 |
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| lbragstad | jamielennox: thanks, I'll respin that | 02:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/40930 | 06:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo.messaging: Add comments to ReplyWaiter.wait() https://review.openstack.org/39823 | 06:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo.messaging: Add a driver method specifically for sending notifications https://review.openstack.org/39825 | 06:10 |
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| yongli | ping Daniel Berrange, are you here? | 06:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo.messaging: Document how call() handles remote exceptions https://review.openstack.org/40607 | 06:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo.messaging: Removes a redundant version_is_compatible function https://review.openstack.org/38945 | 07:49 |
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| apevec | eglynn, ping - final touch to wrap the stable release, please approve https://review.openstack.org/40962 | 09:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo-incubator: Allow non-use of cfg.CONF in securemessage https://review.openstack.org/40555 | 09:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Fix H102, H103 Apache 2.0 license hacking check error https://review.openstack.org/40539 | 10:24 |
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| holms | is there's url for mailing list..? i mean reading through email is kind of annoying | 10:38 |
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| matel | holms: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists | 10:41 |
| matel | holms: look for archives | 10:41 |
| chmouel | markmc: hey mark any chances to remove your +2 here ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21958/ | 10:41 |
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| markmc | chmouel, done, sorry I didn't notice it getting restored | 10:42 |
| chmouel | markmc: thanks! | 10:42 |
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| holms | matel: thanks | 11:05 |
| holms | maybe somebody had this problem with dev-stack? | 11:05 |
| holms | 2013-08-08 10:31:47 + timeout 60 sh -c 'while ! http_proxy= https_proxy= curl -s http://192.168.1.6:8774 >/dev/null; do sleep 1; done' | 11:05 |
| holms | 2013-08-08 10:32:47 + die 698 'nova-api did not start' | 11:05 |
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| matel | holms: What do you have in the log files? | 11:15 |
| matel | holms: attach to the screen with screen -r stack | 11:15 |
| matel | That should tell you what's the issue. | 11:16 |
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| holms | stack@hp:~/devstack$ screen -r stack | 11:17 |
| holms | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/5' - please check. | 11:17 |
| holms | where's log files are stored? | 11:18 |
| matel | Depends on your localrc | 11:18 |
| holms | haven't touched it | 11:18 |
| holms | ok rerunning | 11:19 |
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| holms | matel: http://paste.openstack.org/show/43689/ | 11:23 |
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| matel | we would like to see the screens. | 11:24 |
| holms | stack@hp:~/devstack$ screen -r stack | 11:24 |
| holms | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/5' - please check. | 11:24 |
| matel | screen -r -d stack | 11:25 |
| holms | same | 11:25 |
| holms | even screen command gives the same | 11:25 |
| holms | ah sorry im in tmux | 11:25 |
| matel | I guess it's some screen issue. | 11:25 |
| matel | homls: try to configure logging. | 11:26 |
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| matel | To your localrc: | 11:26 |
| matel | LOGFILE=/tmp/devstack/log/stack.log | 11:26 |
| matel | SCREEN_LOGDIR=/tmp/devstack/log/ | 11:26 |
| matel | VERBOSE=True | 11:26 |
| matel | This will nicely log your screens to /tmp/devstack/log | 11:27 |
| holms | thanks adding | 11:27 |
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| holms | matel: | 12:34 |
| holms | all ive got in logs is this. http://paste.openstack.org/show/43694/ | 12:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: LBaaS: pass the complete healthmonitor object to driver https://review.openstack.org/40180 | 12:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: s/alarm/alarm_id/ in alarm notification https://review.openstack.org/41056 | 12:55 |
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| holms | anybody knows what can be an issue with devstack? http://paste.openstack.org/show/43694/ | 13:03 |
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| BobBall | holms: it's an oslo.config version mismatch somewhere | 13:04 |
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| holms | em | 13:05 |
| holms | i've actually just git clone'ed agiledev | 13:05 |
| holms | trying to install on debian wheezy | 13:05 |
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| holms | dedicated machine | 13:05 |
| BobBall | sure - the mismatch is possibly between projects - not saying it's a setup problem with your machine | 13:07 |
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| holms | time for mailing list or smtng | 13:10 |
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| matel | holmes: devstack seems to fail for me as well, but with a different error. | 13:10 |
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| holms | which one | 13:10 |
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| holms | cause i had 3 already | 13:11 |
| holms | solved | 13:11 |
| matel | permission error | 13:11 |
| matel | with python libraries. | 13:11 |
| holms | i had problem with setuptools, devstack tried to deinstall it and complained it's not found lol | 13:11 |
| matel | Permission denied: '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/prettytable-0.7.2.egg-info/top_level.txt' | 13:12 |
| holms | had problem with database permission error - purged mysqld | 13:12 |
| holms | and then it worked | 13:12 |
| holms | and one is a pip mirrror problem , bug i try to fix.. but review stucked for a while =/ | 13:12 |
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| holms | matel: tried with sudo? just for fun | 13:12 |
| matel | I just fixed the permissions. | 13:13 |
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| matel | holms: what distro are you running? | 13:15 |
| holms | debian wheezy | 13:15 |
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| matel | I am on precise | 13:15 |
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| matel | holms: It seems, that my only issue was this permission problem - which might be related to the actual packaing discussion. | 13:19 |
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| holms | matel: everything should be installed using pip in there | 13:22 |
| holms | wonder what kind of perms problems can be in with pip lol | 13:22 |
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| matel | :-) | 13:23 |
| matel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1210520 | 13:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1210520 in devstack "permission denied prettytable-0.7.2.egg-info/top_level.txt" [Undecided,New] | 13:23 |
| holms | unless you had some stuff installed before pip | 13:23 |
| holms | with package manager | 13:23 |
| holms | i'm installing on clean distro | 13:23 |
| matel | I am running xenserver, I always start with a clean environment. | 13:23 |
| holms | if i were you i'd find a good problem solution and contribute it | 13:24 |
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| holms | would be nice to have smooth devstack setup =/ | 13:24 |
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| msbrown | ps -ef | grep ssh | 13:26 |
| matel | I am just doing that. | 13:27 |
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| matel | holms: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41091/ | 13:51 |
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| holms | matel: yuo need some reviewers | 13:52 |
| holms | like me =/ | 13:52 |
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| matel | I am just testing it on my system, will comment on the change as soon as I have the results. | 13:53 |
| holms | wonder what permission do i have in there | 13:54 |
| matel | could you look at it? | 13:55 |
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| holms | stack@hp:~/devstack$ ls -lah /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/prettytable-0.7.2.egg-info/top_level.txt | 13:55 |
| holms | -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 12 Jul 30 17:37 /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/prettytable-0.7.2.egg-info/top_level.txt | 13:55 |
| matel | That looks better. | 13:55 |
| holms | than you should have the same | 13:56 |
| holms | if I were you | 13:56 |
| holms | i'd modify your commit | 13:56 |
| holms | put some if in there | 13:56 |
| holms | for you distro only | 13:56 |
| holms | some "if" :) | 13:56 |
| matel | Just -1 it if you don't like :-) | 13:56 |
| holms | 0 is fine ;D | 13:57 |
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| lbragstad | jamielennox: you still around? | 13:57 |
| matel | Any nova reviewers around? | 13:57 |
| stevemar | lbragstad, isn't he on auzzy time? | 13:58 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar: yep, I think so, Brisbane I believe... | 13:58 |
| stevemar | lbragstad, good luck =\ | 13:58 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar: yeah... kinda what I was thinking... | 13:58 |
| stevemar | lbragstad, i gotta find that dolph guy | 13:59 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar: good luck ;) | 13:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Add support for API message localization https://review.openstack.org/39623 | 14:00 |
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| holms | to sad there's no way to edit comment on gerrit | 14:05 |
| holms | stupid mistypes.. | 14:05 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i think i have a solution to the oauth problem that will make you happy... working on putting together a demo this morning | 14:05 |
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| holms | dolphm: i can i grab you as reviewer for my bug? | 14:08 |
| holms | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40623/ | 14:08 |
| holms | it;s not much in here | 14:08 |
| dolphm | holms: i don't have +2 on devstack | 14:09 |
| holms | hmz | 14:09 |
| holms | what is +2 (i'm n00b) | 14:09 |
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| dolphm | holms: deletes are easy to review though | 14:10 |
| holms | dolphm: opinion would be also nice, cause I don't understand what other reviewers want tofix... | 14:10 |
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| dolphm | holms: you need a couple reviewers with approval access to merge changes | 14:10 |
| dolphm | holms: did you read dtroyer's review? | 14:11 |
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| holms | yes.. | 14:12 |
| holms | seems to be he wants just to leave everything false, and remove rhel form that if condition.? | 14:12 |
| holms | from* | 14:12 |
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| dolphm | holms: that's my understanding, which sounds reasonable | 14:13 |
| holms | okei | 14:13 |
| holms | thank you | 14:13 |
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| lbragstad | holms: that is actually a new feature in the later versions of Gerrit | 14:15 |
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| stevemar | dolphm ! | 14:17 |
| dolphm | stevemar: o/ | 14:18 |
| stevemar | dolphm: moving the oauth request to /auth/tokens was such a ... | 14:19 |
| dolphm | stevemar: did you do it though? | 14:19 |
| stevemar | dolphm: it's mostly there, the test cases aren't happy though | 14:19 |
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| stevemar | dolphm: about half the test cases work right now, the other half are failing b/c i can't get a keystone token | 14:20 |
| stevemar | dolphm: but api spec first? | 14:20 |
| jswarren | Hello, could anyone spare some time to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40885/ and possibly its dependencies? | 14:20 |
| dolphm | stevemar: what's the blocker on getting keystone tokens? | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/glance: Migrate to PBR for setup and version code. https://review.openstack.org/27222 | 14:21 |
| dolphm | stevemar: let me poke at satisfying ayoung's use case for offline validation of oauth tokens (no api changes required there) | 14:21 |
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| stevemar | dolphm: alright, lets talk spec first, then impl problems | 14:22 |
| dolphm | stevemar: i know it's possible, i just don't know what it's going to look like yet | 14:22 |
| stevemar | dolphm: yeah | 14:22 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: do you have any issues with the current spec? | 14:22 |
| stevemar | dolphm: nope, i just needed clarification on what you meant by read-only roles | 14:22 |
| stevemar | for authz list | 14:22 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: ah, rather than including the list of roles as part of the response to GET /authorizations ... | 14:24 |
| dolphm | stevemar: include a link from each "authorization" to a collection of roles on a separate endpoint | 14:24 |
| dolphm | stevemar: so GET /authorizations/{authorization_id}/roles | 14:24 |
| dolphm | stevemar: read-only because that collection wouldn't support POST or PATCH | 14:24 |
| dolphm | stevemar: or DELETE | 14:25 |
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| lbragstad | morganfainberg: Hey, I went to fix the comment that jamielennox made on the logging fix and had a couple observations (comments inline). If you haven't looked at it yet that's just fine. Figured I'd give you a heads up since you said you were going to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39934/2 today. Thanks! | 14:37 |
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| stevemar | lbragstad, you are having bad luck with timezones today :D | 14:41 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar: hah keeps things interesting I guess | 14:42 |
| stevemar | lbragstad, i'm pretty sure morganfainberg is PST time | 14:43 |
| lbragstad | ahh | 14:43 |
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| radez | juice: are you one of the contributors to Trove? | 14:50 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, sounds like you are applying the PKI validation mechanism to OAuth tokens, are you unifying the access and Keystone tokens or keeping them separate? | 14:58 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: keeping them separate, but yes applying PKI (twice) | 15:00 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, still not convinced they should be unified? Additional argument to keep them searpate? | 15:00 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: so, i'm thinking step one is as simple as- | 15:03 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: oauth_access_key = encrypt([nonce, project_id, roles], keystone_private_key) | 15:03 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: then oauth_token middleware could decrypt the access key to verify that it was generated by a trusted keystone, right? | 15:04 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, access_key = access_token? | 15:05 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: technically an access token is a key + secret pair | 15:05 |
| dolphm | ayoung: so i'm working with the public part | 15:06 |
| ayoung | http://oauth.net/core/1.0a/#auth_step3 looking | 15:06 |
| ayoung | "The Request Token has never been exchanged for an Access Token. " I missed that before...that changes the equasion | 15:07 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so, you are thinking a separate middleware, provides the same data as the auth_token middleware, but operating on access_tokens? | 15:08 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it would have "interesting" security implications for the oauth side of things, but why not also *encrypt* the access token secret into the access token key, such that trusted services inside the cloud can perform offline validation of an oauth request? an untrusted service (one without knowledge of this second public key) can perform online validation without know the secret key | 15:08 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: yes, the oauth_token middleware we mentioned yesterday | 15:08 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: ^ | 15:08 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ^ | 15:08 |
| stevemar | dolphm: thanks for the ^, i was not aware | 15:08 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I'm OK with that in concept. We'll need to discuss it more thoroughly in review. | 15:09 |
| dolphm | ayoung: this is what i'm putting together a proof of concept of... it would have no impact on the oauth api review | 15:09 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: but you still get what you want: A) offline validation of requests on remote services, and B) clients can eventually skip requesting keystone tokens before interacting with other services | 15:10 |
| ayoung | dolphm, well, the API would have to be updated to show the additional roles etc data in the response. That would be a Keystone implementation specific piece | 15:11 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it's not part of the api | 15:11 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: it's just like your PKI token implementation... knowledgable clients (oauth_token) can decrypt the access token, others have to perform online validation | 15:12 |
| ayoung | I dolphm. If it is part of the contract, and part of what you expect to be in a token requested this way, it is part of the interface. You can make it an optional feature, but it should be documented. | 15:12 |
| dolphm | ayoung: right, but it's not part of the oauth api, it's a separate contract that can be versioned independently | 15:13 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: as far as the /OS-OAUTH1/ is concerned ... oauth access token keys are opaque | 15:13 |
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| ayoung | So...I think there is an important distinction here. The is the public API that Keystone implements, and then there is the data that goes across the wire. In the case where the Data is more than just JSON, we need to document that as well as the cases where the API is just operating on blobs. I am OK with saying that the documentaiton for PKI etc is separate from the main API docs, but they need to be togetther, and linked as | 15:14 |
| ayoung | part of the Keystone standard. | 15:14 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: absolutely | 15:15 |
| ayoung | So, if we do something like that, it either goes in as part of the API doc for OAuth, or goes in a separate file in the docs directory. Your call on how to organize it. | 15:16 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: makes sense to put it in identity-api to me, but in a separate doc that has nothing to do with identity api v3 (oauth1-access-key-format-v1.md or something, i don't know) | 15:17 |
| ayoung | I think a good test is : can someone reimplement this in another language besides python and reasonably expect the current set of client tools to interoperate. Online API + document formats. | 15:17 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: you can define the supported encryption methods and stuff there | 15:18 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, yeah...that makes a lot of sense | 15:18 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I can't help bu fel it should somehow be tied in with http content-types. | 15:19 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: how so? | 15:19 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, something like: keystone cms tokens have a content type of "application/something" and are processed like so... | 15:20 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, then, in the API doc, we can just state the content type for those operations | 15:20 |
| ayoung | a field in a larger document that is something like a PKI token could then be documented as : content-type X as well | 15:21 |
| dolphm | ayoung: oh... access tokens are already urlencoded in the authorization header, as defined by the oauth spec | 15:21 |
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| ayoung | a content-type of application/x-www-form-urlencoded | 15:22 |
| ayoung | that is the kind of documentation I was thinking of | 15:22 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: in a client request or keystone response (access token issuance)? | 15:23 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I have to look into it a little deeper. I think that Keystone response could benefit. Especially as we have the idea of v2 and v3 token formats. So something that explained those formats as doc formats separate from the APIs used to access them, and how they are wrapped in the CMS layer would help out someone looking to do their own offline validation and consumption. | 15:27 |
| ayoung | If we doe the same thing with OAuth access tokens, we will document the same way. | 15:27 |
| dolphm | ayoung: stevemar: the only catch i see is that we *must* expire access tokens after some duration (although it could be long... days/weeks/months)... because it'll be theoretically possible to derive access token secrets from access token keys | 15:28 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, that is going to limit their usefulness for something like Heat | 15:29 |
| stevemar | dolphm: we could just start the requst anew and get another access token? | 15:29 |
| ayoung | stevemar, but that requires initial user intervention | 15:29 |
| dolphm | ayoung: depends on which part of offline validation you want to do... this wouldn't allow untrusted clients to do fully offline validation | 15:29 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: yes | 15:29 |
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| ayoung | or we have to ignore the rule that a request token can only be used once | 15:29 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: not necessarily true... if the client keeps their request token, they can generate a new access token without the user intervening | 15:30 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: identity user only needs to authorize a request token once | 15:31 |
| dolphm | ayoung: and multiple access tokens can be generated as necessary | 15:31 |
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| stevemar | dolphm: nope, once it's exchanged, it's deleted | 15:31 |
| dolphm | stevemar: oh. | 15:31 |
| stevemar | dolphm: of course, i could change that | 15:31 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, not according to the oauth spec | 15:31 |
| stevemar | yeah, the spec states that it (the request token) should be deleted | 15:31 |
| dolphm | k | 15:32 |
| dolphm | that makes sense | 15:32 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tempest: scenario test involving glance, cinder and nova functionalities https://review.openstack.org/38943 | 15:32 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Add support for service plugins to the migration framework https://review.openstack.org/40636 | 15:32 |
| ayoung | dolph see http://oauth.net/core/1.0a/#auth_step3 section 6.3.2 | 15:32 |
| ayoung | "The Request Token has never been exchanged for an Access Token. " | 15:32 |
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| stevemar | exchange does imply that it's gone once it's used | 15:33 |
| ayoung | It may be that we keep trusts around for the heat use cases, and use Oauth for others, but I would be nice to have a unified delegation mechanism. | 15:33 |
| dolphm | ayoung: +1 | 15:34 |
| ayoung | dolphm, what if, for the case where consumers are users in the Identity backend, the secret is the users shared secret: password or something else | 15:35 |
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| ayoung | that way, user can change their password, but their access tokens are still valid. THen, I could see the argument that access token != Keystone token | 15:36 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, alternatively, we relax the rule about consumer can only hand in a request token once, and we provide a mechansim by which a user can revoke a request token, and then we have what trusts gives you. Access tokens = keystone tokens. | 15:38 |
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| ayoung | same lifespan and so on | 15:39 |
| ayoung | I think the assumption underlying Oauth is that these tokens are not going to be used a long time later. But with trusts, we are setting up long term delegation agreements. I think we need both. | 15:40 |
| ayoung | So the question is "one mechanism or two" and, if we go for one, I think we need to extend the Oauth approach. | 15:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: added a couple of java libraries to associated projects https://review.openstack.org/41105 | 15:41 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: you really want to make the user responsible for their own security? | 15:42 |
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| ayoung | On the other hand, if we just think of Oauth access tokens are a replacement for Keystone tokens, we can make a different mechanism for a user to get an Oauth access token | 15:42 |
| dolphm | ayoung: long term replacement: maybe/probably | 15:43 |
| dolphm | ayoung: short term, i think they're quite distinct | 15:43 |
| ayoung | dolphm, then lets use them as they are spec'ed, but not plan on them replacing trusts as is. That will be an additional design review, and we can talk about that at the Icehouse summit | 15:44 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: yeah, i don't want to think too hard about deprecating trusts just yet | 15:48 |
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| sudorandom | Hi, I'm trying to add a new backend for keystone, and appears to me that driver isolation has been broken with recent changes and the existence of the assignment driver. This commit in particular adds foreign key constraints to tables that are a part of other drivers: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/af1d47412ea86a4c93d0d9253e71d725d202f43d This makes it really hard or impossible to mix and match driver types | 15:56 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ^ | 15:58 |
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| spligak | sudorandom, so these new FK's - like domain.id and project.id - aren't actually managed under this driver? | 15:58 |
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| spligak | where are they managed? | 15:58 |
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| ayoung | sudorandom, that is correct | 15:58 |
| ayoung | sudorandom, what are you trying to do? | 15:59 |
| sudorandom | I have a crazy idea of adding a series of cassandra backends to keystone | 15:59 |
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| sudorandom | It was working okay using a SQL-based assignment backend but the foreign keys just killed that hope. I have all but the assignment driver implemented atm | 16:00 |
| bknudson | sudorandom: the keystone database is created by migrations and not by the models. | 16:00 |
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| bknudson | so I wouldn't blame that change. | 16:00 |
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| dolphm | sudorandom: that's not crazy at all :) | 16:01 |
| dolphm | there shouldn't be FK's across identity <-> assignment drivers though | 16:02 |
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| spligak | bknudson, +1 to what dolphm just mentioned | 16:02 |
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| spligak | it rips down driver isolation as soon as you start doing stuff like this. reaching across drivers for foreign data. | 16:03 |
| sudorandom | It's still prototype work, since I'm abusing secondary-indexes but the assignment driver not being completely decoupled, as I said before, makes mixing and matching drivers hard if not impossible in this case | 16:03 |
| bknudson | there was another change to migrations that was meant to remove the foreign keys across drivers... | 16:03 |
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| bknudson | I think this one? https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/sql/migrate_repo/versions/026_drop_user_group_constraints.py | 16:04 |
| sudorandom | bknudson: do you think you can find that change? | 16:04 |
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| bknudson | sudorandom: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/7b7800608af87e5f84df97f8fef7a69b4f435946#keystone/common/sql/migrate_repo/versions/026_drop_user_group_constraints.py | 16:06 |
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| sudorandom | bknudson: that change is 2 months ago. The FKs that I'm talking about got into master 2 weeks ago | 16:06 |
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| bknudson | sudorandom: then there will have to be a new migration to get rid of them. | 16:07 |
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| sudorandom | Who's the best person to follow this up with? | 16:09 |
| bknudson | sudorandom: open a bug | 16:09 |
| sudorandom | Will do | 16:09 |
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| devananda | markwash: ping | 16:10 |
| markwash | devananda: good morningish | 16:10 |
| apevec | jd__, please approve https://review.openstack.org/40962 | 16:11 |
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| devananda | markwash: morningish! | 16:12 |
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| devananda | markwash: GheRivero replied to your concerns about the glanceclient patch | 16:12 |
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| devananda | markwash: as I'll be gone for ~2weeks, starting Aug 19, I would like to see ironic's PXE driver unblocked one way or another before then | 16:13 |
| ayoung | sudorandom, there should be no foreign keys between identity and assignments. That should make you life easier, not harder. Implement the two backends separately. | 16:13 |
| markwash | devananda: +1 | 16:13 |
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| markwash | devananda: burning man? | 16:14 |
| devananda | markwash: so i eagerly await ya'll's opinions on Ghe's explanation of why we need this :) | 16:14 |
| devananda | markwash: yea | 16:14 |
| markwash | :-) | 16:14 |
| ayoung | sudorandom, so in Identity, you are going to have two main lists: users and groups, just like in the KVS implementation. You have to figure out how you best want to deal with group assignemtns | 16:15 |
| markwash | devananda: I just replied. . it seems like part of the idea is a wrapper that adapts to either v1 or v2 of the image service | 16:15 |
| markwash | but I'd really rather folks just use v2 if possible | 16:15 |
| ayoung | on the assignments side, you put a group id or a user id into a role assignment. I would keep all role assignments for a given project together | 16:15 |
| markwash | and would work extra hard to fill in any gaps in time | 16:15 |
| ayoung | and just be OK with a user in the IdM going away without the Assignments backend knowing about it. | 16:16 |
| ayoung | Because that is what LDAP does to the world anyway. No notifications | 16:16 |
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| devananda | markwash: is that a reasonable assumption? | 16:16 |
| devananda | markwash: do *all* clouds have v2 deployed? | 16:16 |
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| devananda | binding ironic, which could potentially be deployed into an existing cloud, to a new service API version, seems less than ideal to me | 16:18 |
| markwash | devananda: that's fair | 16:18 |
| flaperboon | markwash: TBH, I think we'll need some standard wrapper on top of glanceclient versions anyway | 16:18 |
| markwash | but I think adapting the two is not glanceclient's responsibility in this case | 16:18 |
| flaperboon | markwash: that will also make it easier to migrate from 1 version to another | 16:18 |
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| devananda | markwash: there seem to be two discussions: 1) is this reasonably useful code, 2) does it belong in glanceclient or oslo or foo | 16:19 |
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| sudorandom | ayoung: I do agree that not having constraints would make decoupling easy but it looks like there are foreign keys trying to be set up. I'm just trying to run the functional tests at the moment with a SQL backend for assignments and it's trying to add the constraints for the table which doesn't exist so I get an "NoSuchTableError: domain" error. | 16:19 |
| flaperboon | w/o changing much code in other apps, the wrapper should have a rather standard API exposed | 16:19 |
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| ayoung | domain is an entity in the assignment backend | 16:19 |
| sudorandom | ah, I see... | 16:20 |
| ayoung | so if you have a sql backaend, you should have a domain table | 16:20 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tempest: Rework class inheritance for scenario tests https://review.openstack.org/40975 | 16:20 |
| ayoung | a sql assignment backend that is | 16:20 |
| markwash | devananda: just for context, where does ironic operate? what kinds of user accounts are needed and how do they fit into the model? | 16:20 |
| devananda | markwash: tbh, i'm a little upset that 2 is still being discussed, after about 2 months of development / poking people / waiting on our part, and after getting pushed out of oslo initially | 16:20 |
| devananda | markwash: ermm.... | 16:20 |
| sudorandom | ayoung: Okay, thanks. I'll look deeper. I made the assumption that domain was still apart of the identity driver | 16:20 |
| devananda | markwash: ironic is bare metal provisioning. it is (will be) a top level service with either an admin-only API, or a very restricted API (once we can get keystone v3 domains working) | 16:21 |
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| ayoung | sudorandom, look at it this way, assume that you need to integrate your cassandra backend (for customers) with LDAP (for employees) and each goes in their own domain. The domain table is held externally, in assignments. | 16:21 |
| devananda | markwash: it will talk to glance, cinder, neutron, keystone, etc... for various things | 16:21 |
| devananda | markwash: and nova will talk to ironic (a lot) for provisioning of instances on bare metal | 16:21 |
| devananda | markwash: users (cloud admins) will talk to ironic-api directly for certain tasks, too | 16:22 |
| ayoung | You can put multiple domains into cassandra, but that work is still on going, and you would need to de conflict with Henrynash's work | 16:22 |
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| ayoung | I'd suggest that, for now, assume only a single domain, and deal with multiple domains once his patch merged | 16:22 |
| markwash | devananda: I feel like that use case makes it more reasonable to expect v2 image api | 16:22 |
| markwash | to be accessible | 16:22 |
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| ayoung | sudorandom, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39530/ | 16:23 |
| devananda | markwash: again, what about existing deployments of eg. Grizzly? | 16:23 |
| markwash | devananda: is Ironic released in Grizzly? | 16:24 |
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| vandervenv | markwash: no. and it wont be in Havana. but that doesn't mean people aren't interested in using it // backporting it | 16:24 |
| ayoung | sudorandom, we do grandfather in the LDAP assignments, as they are tighly coupled with the LDAP idenityt, but my hope is that we will be able to deprecate them over time. | 16:24 |
| markwash | vandervenv: I'm not opposed to backwards compatibility for ironic, really, I'm just opposed to glance taking on support for a backwards compatible api abstraction in this way | 16:25 |
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| ayoung | sudorandom, another possibility is that you implement the assignments backend first. That might be really useful in shaking out the SQL assumptions | 16:25 |
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| vandervenv | markwash: so, if you agree that this abstraction is at least useful code, then (2) where should it live? | 16:26 |
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| markwash | vandervenv: I guess oslo, or default to put it back in ironic | 16:27 |
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| markwash | but I'm not really agreeing with it | 16:28 |
| vandervenv | markwash: hah | 16:28 |
| markwash | it would be infinitely better if someone adapted the existing v1 client code to use the v2 api | 16:28 |
| zul | ayoung: ping | 16:28 |
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| markwash | and this api does not abstract the differences in api versions away | 16:28 |
| markwash | since images are treated as completely free-form dicts | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Add libcloud to associated_projects. https://review.openstack.org/41116 | 16:29 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-cinderclient: Add support for multiple cinder endpoints https://review.openstack.org/40700 | 16:29 |
| markwash | I think IIRC that some of the pushback from oslo was "why do you need this silly thin wrapper, can't you just use glanceclient" ? | 16:29 |
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| flaperboon | markwash: I pushed it back from Oslo and suggested putting it into glanceclient | 16:30 |
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| flaperboon | the reason is that it doesn't belong in Oslo, IMHO. | 16:30 |
| markwash | flaperboon: I don't really think it belongs anywhere | 16:31 |
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| markwash | I think people are treating "its in nova and cinder" as "its useful" | 16:31 |
| markwash | whereas what actually happened was somebody wrote it really fast in nova | 16:31 |
| markwash | and then cinder copied it along with everything else from nova when it was created | 16:32 |
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| markwash | I don't want to publish it | 16:32 |
| flaperboon | markwash: mmh, well, I wasn't thinking about that way. I'm not saying I'm right by thinking that some parts of it are useful | 16:32 |
| markwash | I don't want to fix bugs for it | 16:33 |
| vandervenv | great - we'll just keep the cleaned-up nice wrapper in ironic, and let the nova code be maintained by someone else. | 16:33 |
| vandervenv | oh, wait, that's a terrible idea... we created Oslo to avoid that. | 16:33 |
| vandervenv | </end snark> | 16:34 |
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| vandervenv | seriously, when there is a wrapper for something that's useful for three projects, it is silly for all three of them to implement it | 16:34 |
| markwash | I'm sorry for not being clearer when we had the conversation about it in oslo | 16:34 |
| markwash | I think the code as it is should probably go in oslo, or people should *just use* glanceclient | 16:35 |
| markwash | that's what I was meaning at the time of the oslo discussion as well | 16:35 |
| markwash | but, as I said, I almost certainly was not clear about that | 16:35 |
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| vandervenv | markwash: ack. i appreciate the clarity now. | 16:36 |
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| markwash | vandervenv: I get the idea of generic compatibility between v1 and v2 in glanceclient | 16:37 |
| markwash | but I think we need to do that a different way | 16:38 |
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| vandervenv | markwash: fair 'nuf. we also need to have something that does this in ironic today :) | 16:39 |
| vandervenv | so we'll sort out detangling all three projects' glanecclient wrappers later on | 16:40 |
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| markwash | vandervenv: thanks so much | 16:40 |
| ayoung | zul, what's up | 16:41 |
| markwash | vandervenv: have fun burning stuff and bartering! | 16:41 |
| vandervenv | markwash: thanks for jumping into the discussion in the past few days - this has been really helpful in unblocking us | 16:42 |
| vandervenv | markwash: thanks! | 16:42 |
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| zul | ayoung: hi, im working on the python-keystone python3 porting a newer oslo.config and a mox3 port is needed i was wondering if there should be a test-requirements-py3.txt/requirements-py3.txt that is py33 specific so it doesnt interfer with py27 | 16:42 |
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| ayoung | zul, I'm the wrong person to ask. I can't even spell Pithawn | 16:43 |
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| zul | okies ill bug the infra folks then | 16:43 |
| zul | thanks | 16:43 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: on the unified logging patch... jamielennox brought up a good point but I found some other things we might have to do. Could use some more input on it. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39934/ | 16:47 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, lookin | 16:47 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, what else do you think we need to do? | 16:47 |
| ayoung | I actually looked through this, but thought you had another version on the way | 16:48 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: concerned the comment here: the refacotring | 16:49 |
| lbragstad | refactoring* | 16:49 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, yeah..the issue is with Oslo code, right? | 16:49 |
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| lbragstad | well there is a lot of code in Keystone that references the old logging implementation /keystone/common/logging.py. But some of those changes don't exist in the Oslo implementation | 16:51 |
| lbragstad | so my question, how do we want to go about addressing that change? | 16:51 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, can we clean those up first, and then do yours as a second commit on top of it? | 16:52 |
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| lbragstad | try pushing the changes that we have in keystone on Oslo (that's gonna take a while) | 16:52 |
| lbragstad | or | 16:52 |
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| lbragstad | fix everything in keystone to be compliant with oslo's logging impl | 16:52 |
| lbragstad | personally I like the second idea better | 16:52 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad,so do we need to sync down from oslo as a first step, then fix keystone to use common as a second, and finally do unified logging impl as a third, or can 2 and 3 be done in sync? | 16:54 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, or, reverse that: implement what you have now, and then sync down from oslo as a second | 16:55 |
| ayoung | finally, excise the last remenants of Keystone logging as a cleanup task? | 16:55 |
| ayoung | the end state is the same, just which will be easiest to implement | 16:55 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, do we need to sync logging from oslo again? Are we out of date? | 16:56 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: the implementation now work and it allow for unified logging... we could refactor after without breaking the logging implementation (change to fit oslo logging, sync, implement logging in keystone) | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | we can sync now, that should be fine | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | s/work/works^ | 16:57 |
| ayoung | I'm OK with that sequence. Just link the reviews. | 16:57 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: OK, I could also link it to the unified logging blueprint, just saying that it will be addressed later, in which case the current review will still be the first step in the process. | 16:58 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, I mean submit them as separate reviews, and have the later ones depend on the current | 16:58 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung-lunch: gotcha ok | 17:01 |
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| mrodden | anyone care to sanity check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40753/1 and let me know if it makes sense or if i'm way off in the weeds? | 17:06 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar: you are correct I am PST time. | 17:37 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar: and aparantly late to the game this morning :P | 17:38 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: s'all good | 17:39 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar: also reading the backlog for the OAuth convo. interesting. | 17:42 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg: yeah, looks dolphm and ayoung have some plans for it | 17:43 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg: take a look at the recent api spec, dolph and i have been making changes all kinds | 17:44 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar: i shall as soon as i hit the office. I like the direction dolph and ayoung's convos are going. I also think that moving the token pieces into the auth/tokens is the right move | 17:46 |
| jswarren | Hello, could anyone spare some time to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40885/ and possibly its dependencies? | 17:47 |
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| hartsocks | jswarren: I'll take a moment. | 17:58 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: I'll have a WIP for the caching layer up today for initial comment (it's missing tests and examples in the sample.conf etc) | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: awesome! | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: i am particularly interested in feedback on the configuration building. | 18:20 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: sure | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: you can pass arguments via dict to dogpile.cache so i have a way of doing that :) | 18:21 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: run any sort of benchmark against it? | 18:21 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: lol i'm curious :) | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: haven't gotten it 100% working yet. that is once i'm done with the "basically passes current tests" | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | it's _mostly_ there. | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | but i made a bad assumption on how the backends worked, and thus caused everything to fail to return values if it was cached :P | 18:22 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: so, expect jenkins failure? | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | oh yeah. | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | it will probably fail | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | but i'm going to fix it so it should be "usable" mostly. before i upload the WIP | 18:22 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: cool | 18:23 |
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| jswarren | hartsocks: Thanks for taking a look. It appears that BaseException.message has been deprecated since Python 2.6. | 18:24 |
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| markwash | mordred: mind if I push on top of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40300/4 to fix rebase conflicts? | 18:47 |
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| markwash | mordred: and was that change the main reason why you wanted a glanceclient release, because if so, I accidentally missed it. . . | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | nachi, did you figure out your issue with the constraints? | 19:09 |
| nachi | ayoung: yes. The problem was with test. In the test i was trying to create a credential associated to a invalid project id | 19:10 |
| nachi | test_migrate_ec2_conflict | 19:10 |
| ayoung | nachi, sounds good. I'm going through it now | 19:11 |
| nachi | ayoung: cool | 19:11 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tempest: Skip secgroup invalid name/desc tests until bug 1161411 is fixed https://review.openstack.org/40666 | 19:12 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1161411 in nova "Quantum SecGroup API should validate group name" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161411 | 19:12 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad: i hadn't had a chance to try the logging under httpd. otherwise everything looked pretty good with the unification code. | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | s/unification/unified logging | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox | 19:17 |
| morganfainberg | 's comment was the only thing that really stood out | 19:17 |
| lbragstad | ok, ayoung and I kinda came up with an idea that would address the comment jamielennox had | 19:17 |
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| morganfainberg | cool | 19:18 |
| lbragstad | we can introduce the current commit as the initial commit in a chain. The ones to follow will refactor logging (from /keystone/common/logging.py) to work with /keystone/openstack/common/log.py .. | 19:18 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-novaclient: Fix typo and grammar in docstring only https://review.openstack.org/40138 | 19:18 |
| lbragstad | instead of trying to change oslo's log.py to fit | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | i don't think that needs to block it, but it does feel a little needless. | 19:19 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah, it really is going to all end up together, but since the commits can be split up, it will make each more understandable. | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: sounds good to me | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | the extra function needless that is. | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: yeah changing oslo's log.py might be less desireable | 19:20 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, sounds like we need 3. 1 is the current work, one is a sync down from oslo for logging updates, and one is the refactoring and removal of keystone speciifc logging | 19:20 |
| zaitcev | Extra function, needless is. Look deeper into the code you shall. | 19:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: that seems quite reasonable. and would make the commits much easier to understadn what is going on | 19:21 |
| ayoung | zaitcev, are you a bot echoing fortune file to IRC | 19:21 |
| zaitcev | Sorry | 19:21 |
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| ayoung | I ran the name zaitcev through google translate to Japanese. It came out as Yoda | 19:21 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: xenapi: send identity headers from glance plugin https://review.openstack.org/38646 | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | Yoda huh | 19:22 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: ayoung agree, the current review implements unified logging from oslo and the sync, is that still OK or do you want me to break that up? | 19:23 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, do the sync first | 19:23 |
| ayoung | and rebase on top of that | 19:23 |
| morganfainberg | +1 to what ayoung said | 19:23 |
| lbragstad | ok | 19:23 |
| lbragstad | introduce then implement | 19:23 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, yeah, in general, syncs from oslo should be stand alone commits | 19:26 |
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| mordred | markwash: please do! - and yes, that was the main reason for wanting a glanceclient release :) | 19:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Make DbPlugin accept status in create_network(). https://review.openstack.org/39636 | 19:48 |
| ayoung | bknudson, dolphm didn't think it was wise to do the token flush on every token create...he's probably right, but what is the alternative: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39507/1 | 19:52 |
| dolphm | ayoung: cron? scheduled celery task? | 19:53 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: I agree that it could potentially be a problem.... if it happened to be my token get where it winds up having to delete a bunch of tokens. | 19:53 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: would be better if there was a background task that could do it. | 19:53 |
| ayoung | dolphm, that is all I can think of, or maybe only clean up when a token is created, and then wait a set amount of time before cleanup is performed again | 19:54 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I don't know how that's done in python. | 19:54 |
| ayoung | bknudson, well, with eventlet, I guess it would be a separate greenthread | 19:54 |
| ayoung | from Apache, however I don't think that makes sense. | 19:54 |
| bknudson | apache might use a cron job then. | 19:55 |
| bknudson | that's why it's called keystone-all , it does everything. | 19:55 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: my opinion of the change is, it's optional, so maybe do this today and work towards making it better. | 19:56 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, keystone all could start up a process that cleans up the db once every so often | 19:57 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: if we go down that path, perhaps we should be aiming to implement something like the periodic tasks in nova? | 19:57 |
| bknudson | ayoung: seems like reinventing cron. | 19:58 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: bknudson: ++ | 19:58 |
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| dolphm | or we can just go a release and see how deployers use token_flush and wait to hear how they want to see it improved | 19:59 |
| morganfainberg | and to be fair, i'm not opposed to having controlled recurring tasks managed by keystone. i think dolphm has hit it though. | 20:00 |
| ayoung | dolphm, think I should drop https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39507/1 ? | 20:00 |
| bknudson | can we mark options as experimental? | 20:00 |
| dolphm | bknudson: that would be awesome | 20:00 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: oh, that would be nice. | 20:00 |
| ayoung | bknudson, +1 | 20:00 |
| dolphm | ayoung: personally- yes | 20:01 |
| bknudson | then we've got token_flush and this option to clear on token-get, and deployers have more to give feedback on. | 20:01 |
| bknudson | and, since it's experimental if it doesn't work we can hopefully yank it. | 20:01 |
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| ayoung | from a DBA persepctive, itseems like this calls for some sort of table partitioning scheme. | 20:04 |
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| bknudson | at least there's an index on the table now. | 20:05 |
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| bknudson | and, maybe we'll have a cache soon... which makes a little more sense since there don't seem to be many token revocations. | 20:06 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, I would so much rather go the other way and not record tokens at all. I almost see my current effort as a stopgap | 20:07 |
| bknudson | ayoung: someday we'll get there. | 20:08 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: +1 on not having to record tokens | 20:10 |
| ayoung | ok, so, realistically speaking, if we were to clean up the token table on each token commit, we would end up executing a lot of spurious delete commands. | 20:11 |
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| ayoung | Is that really a problem | 20:11 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: that really depends on the other load of the DB | 20:12 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, well, lets say it is heavily loaded | 20:13 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: then the deletes could be a problem. | 20:13 |
| ayoung | lots of tokens being requested | 20:13 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: innodb is better than myisam, but you're going to get odd gaplocking | 20:13 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, is there some way to avoid that, short of the "delete 10 at a time" proposal? | 20:14 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: i don't think so, i think the partition tables is the real answer | 20:14 |
| ayoung | is that an option in mysql? | 20:14 |
| bknudson | let's say I come in in the morning and nobody's been requesting tokens for a while, now I've got to wait for all the expired tokens to get deleted. | 20:15 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: it takes a lot of DB engineering work on the mysql side, don't think it's really doable from SQLalchemy pov | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | though i haven't looked | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | to be fair | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | it might make more sense ot only store tokens that have a life-span of greater than X | 20:16 |
| morganfainberg | move to the short-ttl tokens | 20:16 |
| morganfainberg | if you're under a 5-min token, a cache of somesort (emphemeral) is fine | 20:16 |
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| morganfainberg | but again, this is back to the whole we shouldn't need to track tokens. | 20:17 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, the thing is, default is long lived tokens, so that doesn;t help us today | 20:17 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: aye | 20:17 |
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| ayoung | ideally we would partition on the hour that a token was issued | 20:17 |
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| morganfainberg | that makes the most sense. | 20:18 |
| bknudson | essentially run a cron job every hour. | 20:18 |
| ayoung | then, all tokens in the bucket from 8 hourse ago can be tossed if timeout is 8 hours | 20:18 |
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| ayoung | what if we store that info in a separate table | 20:19 |
| ayoung | last trash pick up was at 1600 | 20:19 |
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| ayoung | and...do the cleanup with a thread call | 20:20 |
| ayoung | ok, I can see one problem with that. what if no one requests a token for 24 hours...nope, no problem there | 20:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Adds factory methods to load Hyper-V utils classes https://review.openstack.org/39194 | 20:21 |
| ayoung | if no new tokens are requested, no cleanup happen...that is safe | 20:21 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/partitioning-pruning.html | 20:24 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, so, lets say we make 24 partitions, and add the hour of the token as a separate table, then partition the token table based on hour into each of those buckets, the token queries can be limited to looking in active partitions, and the clean up can be limited to cleanup in inactive partitions | 20:26 |
| ayoung | do some sort of modulus arithmatic to figure out which are the active partitions | 20:26 |
| ayoung | the mechanism would be RDBMS specific, but they all support partitioning some way or other | 20:28 |
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| ayoung | it would be great to try some sort of proof of concept of that | 20:28 |
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| ayoung | wow, the postgresql mechanism is different from mysql for partitioning | 20:32 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-glanceclient: Cast image_id to string before calling urllib.quote https://review.openstack.org/37825 | 20:34 |
| bknudson | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40284/ | 20:34 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, what changed? | 20:34 |
| bknudson | I think it just had to be rebased. | 20:35 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I probably merged something that had a change to requirements and now they're getting wiped out. | 20:35 |
| ayoung | netaddr | 20:35 |
| ayoung | should that be versioned? | 20:35 |
| ayoung | bknudson, where are global requirements stored? | 20:36 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I think there's a push to get all the projects to use requirements from the requirements project | 20:36 |
| bknudson | ayoung: https://github.com/openstack/requirements | 20:37 |
| ayoung | netaddr is not versioned | 20:37 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt | 20:37 |
| bknudson | ayoung: there's a README there, and I ran that myself and it looks like it was done correctly. | 20:37 |
| ayoung | +2 | 20:38 |
| bknudson | ayoung: qq -- you wouldn't expect keystone to be able to create users in active directory? | 20:39 |
| ayoung | bknudson, usually AD is read only | 20:39 |
| ayoung | LDAP in general is considered RO from most applications | 20:39 |
| bknudson | ayoung: yes, but if they set the config so they can create users, you wouldn't expect that to work? | 20:39 |
| bknudson | we've got the config option so someone here was trying it and complaining it didn't work. | 20:40 |
| ayoung | bknudson, depends on the permissions of the Manager. I know CERN has AD updating working. | 20:40 |
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| bknudson | The objectclass in AD has all sorts of required properties that Keystone isn't going to set on create. | 20:40 |
| ayoung | bknudson, we should probably return a better return code. What are they getting as an error? | 20:40 |
| ayoung | bknudson, there are work arounds for that | 20:41 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, jose castro from CERN got it working, but I don;t know the magic incantation he used | 20:41 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: well, it used to say "unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'str' and 'int' (HTTP 400)" | 20:42 |
| bknudson | I posted a fix for that. | 20:42 |
| dolphm | the ldap identity driver should be extended into one specific for AD | 20:42 |
| dolphm | rather than trying to support both in the same class | 20:42 |
| bknudson | dolphm: that would clean things up! | 20:42 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, +1 | 20:43 |
| bknudson | ayoung: with the fix, the LDAP server says "ldap_add: Object class violation (65) additional info: 0000207D: UpdErr: DSID-0315121C, problem 6002 (OBJ_CLASS_VIOLATION), data 589832" | 20:45 |
| bknudson | ayoung: note that this is keystone user-add, not an update... I expect update to work. | 20:45 |
| dolphm | ayoung: P.S. from that etherpad you created... i really like the distinction you made between bugs and bp's... where wishlist bugs are the requests and bp's are the design solutions for those requests | 20:46 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i guess that's sort of how it (generally) works already, but i haven't seen it explained that clearly | 20:46 |
| dolphm | ayoung: anyway, your wording has stuck in my head, so: thanks! | 20:46 |
| ayoung | dolphm, should I move that over to the wiki? | 20:47 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that bit might belong here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 20:47 |
| dolphm | ayoung: looks like it already has similar wording, but doesn't mention 'Wishlist' bugs specifically | 20:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think that was where I plaguarized that bit from | 20:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: contribute that bit back then :) | 20:48 |
| ayoung | Will do | 20:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think having the whole process laid out in a overview is useful. It can be pointers to more detailed documents for each of the steps. For instance, we really shoud have a document that explains the format of the Identity API | 20:50 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: the repo? | 20:51 |
| dolphm | ayoung: not sure what you mean by format i guess | 20:51 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I mean the api spec document: | 20:52 |
| ayoung | I always am kindof guessing what should go where | 20:52 |
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| ayoung | It would be good to have a style guide | 20:53 |
| ayoung | the doc is thousands of lines long, and has id, tokens, policy and catalog all over it. Makes it hard to explain to someone how to write a new module | 20:53 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg: new api spec available | 20:54 |
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| dolphm | 31 patchsets in, we're possibly more than halfway there | 20:56 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: yeah the partitioning pruning looks right | 21:00 |
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| jkyle | how can I find the namespace to use to ping a server when using neutron/ovs? | 21:08 |
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| pcm_ | jkyle: Do you mean you want to ping a VM from a host? | 21:10 |
| jkyle | correct, from the controller to be specific | 21:11 |
| pcm_ | jkyle: You can do "ip netns" and should see a qrouter-##### entry. | 21:11 |
| jkyle | right, but how do I map the #### to the tenant uuid? | 21:11 |
| pcm_ | jkyle: I think you can correlate the #### to the router in "neutron router-list" and then correlate that to the tenant. | 21:13 |
| pcm_ | jkyle: It should match a router ID #. | 21:14 |
| jkyle | ah ha, router list. so qrouter-<router-uuid> where router has a subnet | 21:14 |
| jkyle | thanks! | 21:14 |
| pcm_ | jkyle: Then "neutron router-show ID" give tenant. | 21:14 |
| pcm_ | jkyle: NP! | 21:15 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39934/ lets merge that over | 21:29 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-keystoneclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/40284 | 21:30 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: +1, don't have +2 yet. | 21:39 |
| morganfainberg | but yeah, it looks good | 21:40 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: if you aren't opposed, i'll fix the errant space in your memcache to httpd doc. | 21:41 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, please do | 21:41 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, if ou +1, I'll approve | 21:41 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: +1'd | 21:41 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: and i was thinking of partitioning like mysql does it for tokens. though based on your comment i should read up on pgsql's concept | 21:45 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, postgresql is a very manual process | 21:46 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm / stevemar: now that i am done with meetings, I'll be able to look at that api-spec. | 21:46 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/ddl-partitioning.html | 21:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: oh. wow. | 21:47 |
| morganfainberg | you know, everytime i see "create trigger" i get involuntary shivers. | 21:47 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: you should have +2 now! let me know if not | 21:48 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: awsome will check in a moment, there is a patch i plan on +2ing as soon as it doesn't need a rebase :) | 21:49 |
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| morganfainberg | i check it doesn't need | 21:49 |
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| morganfainberg | ugh. fingers, keyboard, somedays | 21:49 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: WIP uploaded for first pass at caching. it likely will fail jenkins as i haven't smashed out all kwargs->args fixes yet >.< (things you find) | 21:55 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41208/ | 21:56 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40102/7/keystone/contrib/ec2/core.py comment there is confusing. Why are you removing named args and putting in a comment that says to use named args? | 22:09 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: is my wip still open? i should abandon that now | 22:16 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: cache names spaces are interesting... what made you use those? | 22:18 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: your WIP is abandoned. | 22:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: that is a fragment that will be removed. | 22:21 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, why not leave the named params in> | 22:21 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: i am concerned about the overhead of creatign cache keys from kwargs | 22:22 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: the default cache-key generator doesn't handle them | 22:22 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, then why put in the comment that they are OK? | 22:22 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: because i missed removing the commit? ;) | 22:22 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: the previous commit to strip kwargs and restructure the issue_token stuff didn't take into account the calls into the manager | 22:23 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, you missed removing the comment? BUt the comment is new in this commit | 22:24 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: the cache name spaces likey should be changed, but the proxy and the noop (if it's kept) needs to be separate from the main keystone.common.cache because otherwise you end up with circular importing when doing the register | 22:24 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, so there should not be a comment? | 22:24 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: correct. | 22:25 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: missed removing it from a local branch i think then | 22:25 |
| morganfainberg | oh oh, different changeset | 22:25 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: whoopse, i have dependant changesets, | 22:26 |
| morganfainberg | that one adds that comment in, the next one removed it | 22:26 |
| morganfainberg | i shall fix that | 22:26 |
| dolphm | i tried to write a cache key generator that handled kwargs... A) it was complicated, B) made it difficult to guarantee usage of the cache between two callers | 22:26 |
| dolphm | shared* usage | 22:27 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: and worse, invalidates get even more complex. | 22:27 |
| dolphm | yeah | 22:27 |
| dolphm | i didn't get that far- but YES | 22:27 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: there is still the caching needed over assignment, grants, and identity | 22:29 |
| morganfainberg | and some handling of deletes calling invalidate appropriately, but it's starting to take shape. | 22:29 |
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| morganfainberg | likely, the Noop cache backend isn't needed, and i can just use the memory one w/ a bypass proxy | 22:30 |
| morganfainberg | which means i don't need the crazy second namespace. | 22:30 |
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| nachi | ayoung: i am trying to understand the review comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38367/8/keystone/contrib/ec2/core.py. Should i add the description about ec2 extension or about the identity api document? | 22:31 |
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| jkyle | Ok, so, I'm trying to work backwards from a given subnet to the router-id that provides the gateway for that subnet. | 22:42 |
| jkyle | but when you neutron router-list, it doesn't provide the tenant nets it's connected to. Only the gateway net id | 22:43 |
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| ayoung | nachi, it does not have to be in that commit, but if you can figure out a decent description, add it in. I was thinking it was part of your commit. Feel free to ignore it, and we'll get later. | 22:44 |
| nachi | ayoung: Ok | 22:45 |
| nachi | ayoung: i will submit the new patch | 22:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tempest: Fix return code for pretty_tox_serial.sh https://review.openstack.org/41195 | 22:51 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/keystone: Sync unified logging solution from Oslo https://review.openstack.org/39934 | 22:51 |
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| ayoung | nachi, we should be able to grab a description string for credentials from the identity api | 22:55 |
| ayoung | Credentials represent arbitrary authentication credentials associated with a user. A user may have zero or more credentials, each optionally scoped to a specific project. | 22:56 |
| ayoung | so the description could be as simple as | 22:56 |
| ayoung | "Arbitrary authentication credentials associated with a user." | 22:57 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Port server_usage API to v3 part 1 https://review.openstack.org/38913 | 22:57 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Port server_usage API to v3 part 2 https://review.openstack.org/38914 | 22:58 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/keystone: Abstract out attribute_mapping filling in LDAP driver. https://review.openstack.org/34540 | 22:58 |
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| nachi | ayoung, the hyperlinks are for the document describing the extension right? | 23:04 |
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| nachi | ayoung, the description for ec2 extension is given here https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/contrib/ec2/core.py#L61 | 23:07 |
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| cburgess | jgriffith: *ping* | 23:08 |
| nachi | ayoung, i can change the description to "OpenStack extensions to Keystone v2.0 API, enabling ec2 credenital authentication and managing ec2 credentials' | 23:08 |
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| jgriffith | cburgess: pong | 23:10 |
| nachi | ayoung, * i can change the description to "OpenStack extensions to Keystone v2.0 API, enabling ec2 credenitals management and ec2 credential authentication' | 23:11 |
| cburgess | jgriffith: Dynamic block size support finally merged to nova. | 23:11 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: Awesome! | 23:11 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: thanks for the heads up | 23:11 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: I'll have to pull that PPA of yours and try it out again | 23:12 |
| cburgess | Hehe ok. | 23:12 |
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| nachi | ayoung-afk, please check my above comment when u are available. thanks | 23:14 |
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