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| ayoung | gyee, you around? | 00:04 |
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| topol | ayoung, does the anonymous bind BP need to be done for H1? I was hoping I could just do it when I got back from vacation? | 00:05 |
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| ayoung | topol, it is on the schedule, but I can handle it. | 00:10 |
| ayoung | topol, it is pretty straight forward | 00:10 |
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| ayoung | enjoy your time off. | 00:11 |
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| topol | ayoung, you sure? I feel pretty bad about dropping the ball on it. | 00:13 |
| topol | ayoung, when do you plan to start it? | 00:14 |
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| ayoung | topol, now | 00:14 |
| topol | ayoung, K, then its yours. | 00:15 |
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| ayoung | topol, out of curiousity, did you even try an anonymous bind? | 00:36 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/ldap/core.py#L216 | 00:36 |
| bknudson | ayoung: that was easy | 00:37 |
| reed | notmyname, do you have any hint for this guy? https://ask.openstack.org/question/1129/how-can-i-debug-swift-in-eclipse/ | 00:37 |
| topol | ayoung, not yet. Should work fine. Looks like it used to be there and it got pulled out. but the python api looks pretty straightforward | 00:38 |
| ayoung | topol, it should be there now | 00:38 |
| ayoung | just leave userid/pw blank | 00:38 |
| * ayoung about to try | 00:38 | |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo-incubator: Add 't', 'y', and `strict` to `bool_from_string` https://review.openstack.org/28996 | 00:39 |
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| topol | ayoung, the if statement is what I am referring to as the change that pulled it out. it used to be if no user and password then conn.simple_bind_s() | 00:40 |
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| topol | ayoung, but notice in the history/git blame there is no longer a code path to do a conn.simple_bind_s() (with no user and password passed in as arguments) | 00:41 |
| topol | ayoung, make sense | 00:42 |
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| ayoung | topol, k | 00:44 |
| ayoung | Authorization Failed: Could not find domain: default (HTTP 404) | 00:45 |
| ayoung | where is the patch for that? | 00:45 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: create it like this: ldapadd -x -D dc=Manager,dc=openstack,dc=org -w ldapadminpwd | 00:47 |
| bknudson | dn: cn=default,ou=Domains,dc=openstack,dc=org | 00:47 |
| bknudson | objectclass: groupOfNames | 00:47 |
| bknudson | member: cn=dummy | 00:47 |
| bknudson | That's what I've done. | 00:47 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Fix up hacking ignores a bit. https://review.openstack.org/29111 | 00:48 |
| topol | ayoung, the workaround that bknudson just told you how to do. Don't you find that incredibly painfull???? | 00:49 |
| ayoung | topol, I find the fact that there are domains inside the LDAP server painful | 00:49 |
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| ayoung | topol, 40% of our users are using LDAP, and they do not have write access. THat is what is broken, not the missing default domain. | 00:50 |
| topol | ayoung, I 'll take either sahdevs patch or getting domains out of LDAP. either way. JUST WANT READ ONLY LDAP to work. | 00:50 |
| ayoung | I want sahdev's patch | 00:51 |
| notmyname | reed: done | 00:51 |
| reed | notmyname, lovely, thanks | 00:51 |
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| topol | ayoung, when doing a POC, the person who works on trying to integrate openstack typically does not have authority to update LDAP. In an enterprise they are different folks with different roles... | 00:52 |
| topol | so the work around of just doing an ldap add of what bknudson showed you to add is a "false prophet" | 00:53 |
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| ayoung | topol, I am trying to test anonymous binds | 00:54 |
| topol | ayoung, is it just a matter of convincing dolphm and henrynash that the add default domain manually workaround won't be possible in many cases? I still struggle with what is keeping sahdevs patch from merging | 00:55 |
| ayoung | topol, let me see... | 00:55 |
| topol | bknudsons patch should get you past the cant find domain default | 00:56 |
| ayoung | henrynash just needs to be schooled | 00:56 |
| bknudson | I'll look at Sahdev's patch tomorrow, and if it looks good probably +2. | 00:56 |
| ayoung | bknudson, sounds good | 00:56 |
| bknudson | ayoung: what do you think about backportability of the change? | 00:57 |
| bknudson | that's something I'm never sure of. | 00:57 |
| ayoung | bknudson, we'll burn that bridge when we get there. I think it needs to be backported, and backported that way | 00:57 |
| bknudson | burn the bridge or cross the bridge? | 00:58 |
| bknudson | cross it first and then burn it. | 00:58 |
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| ayoung | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83bmsluWHZc | 00:59 |
| ayoung | sometimes you don' | 01:02 |
| ayoung | t know why you are building the bridge in the first place | 01:02 |
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| topol | its 3am here in Italy. Need to get some sleep.... That music didnt help any... | 01:03 |
| ayoung | buonanotte topolino | 01:05 |
| topol | Thanks. | 01:06 |
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| gyee | ayoung, here | 01:22 |
| ayoung | gyee, ah, cool. | 01:22 |
| gyee | you are between me and dinner :) | 01:22 |
| ayoung | gyee, go eat | 01:23 |
| gyee | nah | 01:23 |
| gyee | I have some time | 01:23 |
| gyee | lets talk token pluggin :) | 01:23 |
| ayoung | ok, so I think you are going overboard on your reworking of the token thing. Splitting things along the wrong lines. | 01:23 |
| ayoung | there are two dimensions: format of the token, and how it is verified | 01:24 |
| gyee | all I did is to make token logic pluggable | 01:24 |
| gyee | nothing more | 01:24 |
| ayoung | well, first of all, you introduced yet another "module" with a rotten name | 01:24 |
| ayoung | token_management? | 01:24 |
| ayoung | it needs to all stay in auth | 01:24 |
| gyee | ayoung, module name can be changed | 01:24 |
| ayoung | no need to split | 01:24 |
| gyee | I think dolphm object to the name as well | 01:25 |
| ayoung | yeah, and he's right | 01:25 |
| ayoung | but leave it either in token or in auth | 01:25 |
| ayoung | and, in fact, we really need to unify those two dirs | 01:25 |
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| ayoung | an external plugin would go in contrib | 01:25 |
| gyee | ayoung, I want to distinguish token provider logic from token CRUD | 01:25 |
| ayoung | no reason to | 01:25 |
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| gyee | I am not worry about external plugin right now | 01:26 |
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| ayoung | we support two token formats:L v23 and v3 | 01:26 |
| ayoung | v2 and v3 | 01:26 |
| ayoung | if other s come up, we can add them into token if needs be | 01:26 |
| gyee | but I am not changing token format | 01:26 |
| gyee | if there's another format, all they have to do is to implement a new driver | 01:26 |
| ayoung | I know | 01:26 |
| ayoung | I am talking about where you are putting code | 01:27 |
| ayoung | you are just moving too much stuff around.... | 01:27 |
| ayoung | keep it in token | 01:27 |
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| gyee | k, I can do that | 01:27 |
| gyee | so you want to get rid of token_managment dir and stash the stuff into token | 01:27 |
| ayoung | yep | 01:27 |
| gyee | ok boss | 01:27 |
| gyee | that's easy :) | 01:28 |
| ayoung | and then we should be able to register a new driver for a different format, I was just using SAML as the example | 01:28 |
| gyee | damn right | 01:28 |
| ayoung | I don't actually want to do SAML | 01:28 |
| gyee | hell you could issue x.509 if you want | 01:28 |
| gyee | just saying | 01:28 |
| ayoung | yeah, that too | 01:29 |
| ayoung | and I just might.... | 01:29 |
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| ayoung | but not today | 01:29 |
| gyee | aint that cool or what | 01:29 |
| gyee | other thing I want to get rid of is the token_format attr in signing | 01:29 |
| gyee | looks like devstack and smoke stack are keying off on that one | 01:30 |
| gyee | I can leave it in there for now to make the stacks happy | 01:30 |
| gyee | but eventually I want to deprecate it | 01:30 |
| ayoung | OK, so what I was trying to make clear is that a token is a blob, and crud should not care about the token format. What are they using it to do? | 01:30 |
| gyee | thatsh right | 01:30 |
| ayoung | have you been drinking? | 01:31 |
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| gyee | just red bull | 01:31 |
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| gyee | ayoung, devstack is keying off token_format to setup pki | 01:32 |
| ayoung | Ah... | 01:32 |
| gyee | same with sql DB column size check | 01:32 |
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| ayoung | format is probably a bad term for that, as is PKI, it should be something that implies "how verified" but, meh, whatever | 01:32 |
| gyee | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/sql/core.py#L83 | 01:33 |
| gyee | we should just get rid of that check | 01:33 |
| gyee | there's no reason to store the PKI token ID in DB | 01:33 |
| gyee | just the hash of it should be good enough | 01:33 |
| ayoung | that was a vestige | 01:33 |
| ayoung | back when we were not hashing the ID | 01:34 |
| ayoung | PKI token ID iss the hash of the PKI token, and should be the same length as a UUID | 01:34 |
| gyee | that's the only place that's still depending on token_format | 01:34 |
| gyee | right | 01:34 |
| gyee | I was think to just remove that check | 01:34 |
| ayoung | gyee, kill it in its own patch and I will bless | 01:34 |
| gyee | thinking | 01:34 |
| gyee | will do | 01:34 |
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| gyee | actually, I need to kill that one first | 01:35 |
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| ayoung | cool. that should be non-controversial | 01:36 |
| ayoung | gyee, go eat dinner | 01:36 |
| gyee | ayoung, I'll be back online later | 01:38 |
| soody | trying to start with ceilometer… any good links on where to start and how to get it running on devstack with some sample data | 01:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-dev/devstack: Disable selinux for RHEL6 https://review.openstack.org/28130 | 03:37 |
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| pabelanger | woah, disabling selinux seems like the wrong solution | 03:53 |
| pabelanger | Dealing with selinux is more a deployment than a development issue, so we just disable it for devstack. | 03:54 |
| pabelanger | I have to disagree with that statement | 03:55 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger: it makes sense to me. devstack isn't intended for deployments. in the gate we throw away the slaves after they are used. The biggest potential problem with it is breaking the gate if we were to start running devstack on rhel (as changes to horizon may not work simply due to selinux). We aren't testing on rhel today so that isn't a problem now though | 04:04 |
| clarkb | it is a problem for anyone trying to use devstack on rhel though. | 04:05 |
| clarkb | it becomes a competition between keeping devstack up to date for dev on an ungated platform and the various projects installed by devstack. easiest to sidestep the problem | 04:07 |
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| aditirav | flaper87: hi | 09:41 |
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| flaper87 | aditirav: hey | 09:47 |
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| aditirav | flaper87: we are working on adding the correlation id middleware to oslo, and had a couple of questions. will you be able to help us? | 09:51 |
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| flaper87 | aditirav: ah, you mean this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28939/ | 09:52 |
| aditirav | flaper87: yes | 09:52 |
| flaper87 | aditirav: shoot | 09:52 |
| aditirav | flaper87: we notice that wsgi.py file is in different locations in nova, and glance. and there is a mismatch in the files when we compare it with the common oslo wsgi file | 09:53 |
| aditirav | so is there some way of keeping them in sync? or will we have to copy over the wsgi module too. (but this will result in two wsgi files in nova code) | 09:54 |
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| flaper87 | ahhh, wsgi diffs... yeah, they're not the same | 09:57 |
| flaper87 | glance's was basically copied from nova's looong time ago and then both modules took their own roads. The best way to keep them sync is to finally migrate projects to use oslo's | 09:59 |
| aditirav | but that'd be a big change | 09:59 |
| flaper87 | there was some discussion on this topic (i can't find the link) wrt aligning projects and chosing a Standard™ lib for that | 10:00 |
| flaper87 | aditirav: yeah, that belongs to a different patch and requires blueprint and way more discussions | 10:00 |
| flaper87 | aditirav: you need to "implement" that middleware in every project, right? | 10:01 |
| aditirav | yes, import that middleware from oslo in every project | 10:01 |
| aditirav | every paste deploy | 10:01 |
| aditirav | flaper87: ^ | 10:01 |
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| flaper87 | aditirav: cool, Are the differences between both wsgi modules an issue there? I mean, isn't the middleware API the same for both projects? | 10:02 |
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| aditirav | flaper87: even the location of the wsgi module is different, so the import lines would be different for each project | 10:03 |
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| flaper87 | aditirav: aaahhhh, right. You need to import Middleware | 10:05 |
| flaper87 | I mean, wsgi.Middleware | 10:05 |
| aditirav | right flaper87 | 10:05 |
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| flaper87 | aditirav: mmh, TBH, I don't see an easy way out of this. When copying files from oslo to other projects, those files shouldn't be modified so I see 2 solutions here (hopefully someone will have better ideas) | 10:07 |
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| flaper87 | 1) You copy the middleware to a different package (as for glance, api.middleware) and modify it as needed (adding a HUGE note that let folks know it comes from oslo and what the issue is) | 10:08 |
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| flaper87 | 2) You copy the file where it belongs and modify it was needed (which means fix the import) | 10:09 |
| flaper87 | well, there's actually a third | 10:09 |
| flaper87 | 3) You copy the middleware and its dependencies (wsgi.py) from oslo and that's it | 10:09 |
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| flaper87 | since routes tries to call process_(request|response) | 10:11 |
| flaper87 | that should work | 10:11 |
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| aditirav | flaper87: whats the difference between 1 and 2 | 10:11 |
| flaper87 | the drawback of 3 is that projects will have a wsgi module that they're actually not using | 10:11 |
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| flaper87 | aditirav: the difference between 1 and 2 is that 1 requires you to put the module in a different package (which means, breaking the oslo-copying process) | 10:12 |
| flaper87 | aditirav: My preferences are: 3,2,1 | 10:12 |
| flaper87 | hopefully other folks will comment here | 10:12 |
| flaper87 | aditirav: I'd suggest you to: 1) write to the mailing list and 2) add a comment in the review explaining this issue | 10:13 |
| flaper87 | feel free to take those 3 options and paste them there | 10:13 |
| aditirav | flaper87: so going with the third or the second won't have any changes in oslo code (but will be changes in the specific projects right?) | 10:14 |
| flaper87 | aditirav: so, none of the options require you to modify the patch in oslo but to modify it when importing it in the different projects (glance, nova, ...) | 10:15 |
| flaper87 | aditirav: well, 3 shouldn't require any change at all | 10:15 |
| aditirav | flaper87: yeah, got it. thank you | 10:15 |
| flaper87 | aditirav: anytime :) | 10:15 |
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| Hitesh | vishy: Hi Vish, | 10:51 |
| Hitesh | you there? | 10:51 |
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| andrea_ | any core-reviewer is available to have a final look at this https://review.openstack.org/26020 I have two +1 and all concerns of the previous patchsets have been addressed. | 13:24 |
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| ttx | markmc: looked up https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo -- looks good, I did minor beautification edits. | 13:24 |
| ttx | markmc: about pbr and hacking... if those are oslo libs, should they be moved to oslo.* ? | 13:25 |
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| markmc | ttx, cool, thanks | 13:25 |
| markmc | ttx, there's no way I typed [[OpenStack]] over and over ... must have been an auto-thing :) | 13:26 |
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| ttx | markmc: it's from the wiki conversion. | 13:26 |
| markmc | ttx, we were going to call them oslo.build and oslo.hacking but I think dhellmann persuaded mordred they have applicability outside openstack | 13:26 |
| markmc | ttx, and didn't want them to suffer from a branding problem | 13:26 |
| markmc | ttx, which is fair enough IMHO | 13:27 |
| ttx | markmc: sure... but then does it make sense to call them oslo libs ? | 13:27 |
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| sld | hey all... does anyone know of any plans to make oslo.config more user-friendly? ...such as documentation.. some way to make it easy to get the config options that are being set, for example.. etc.. | 13:27 |
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| ttx | markmc: i.e. what makes them oslo libs, if not the namespace and the openstack-centricity ? | 13:28 |
| markmc | ttx, it's about having them under the same umbrella, with the same group helping out, etc. | 13:28 |
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| ttx | markmc: I find it a bit confusing, personally. We have oslo oslo.* libs, oslo generic libs, and generic libs. | 13:29 |
| markmc | ttx, it is a bit confusing | 13:29 |
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| markmc | ttx, but I don't think naming is enough of a reason to force them to be unrelated | 13:30 |
| ttx | markmc: if we didn't have generic libs outside of oslo yet, I would not find it *that* confusing... | 13:30 |
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| markmc | ttx, it's more about a group of people wanting to help with cross-project libs | 13:30 |
| markmc | ttx, like what? | 13:30 |
| markmc | ttx, examples of generic libs, I mean? | 13:30 |
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| ttx | let me look -- there were some libs directly pushed to PyPI by some subgroup and consumed from there | 13:31 |
| ttx | "generic" but still originating from openstack | 13:31 |
| ttx | maybe they don't fit the "cropss-project" criteria though. | 13:31 |
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| markmc | ttx, put it this way - we could have had a single oslo library on pypi | 13:32 |
| ttx | like extras, stevedore ? | 13:33 |
| markmc | ttx, we decided to split it up into smaller libraries, for good reasons | 13:33 |
| markmc | ttx, and we decided to not call some of them 'oslo', for good reasons | 13:33 |
| markmc | ttx, does that mean they have to go their own way? doesn't make much sense to me | 13:33 |
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| markmc | but, how to explain it retrospectively is your point I guess | 13:33 |
| markmc | which is fair | 13:33 |
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| ttx | warlock | 13:34 |
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| markmc | ttx, extras, stevedore, warlock weren't attempts to consolidate existing openstack code | 13:35 |
| markmc | ttx, warlock is probably the one most specifically designed for OpenStack | 13:35 |
| markmc | ttx, honestly, if those projects wanted the support of the oslo project, they could join too | 13:36 |
| ttx | markmc: OK. maybe separate the lists os "Oslo libraries" into openstack-specific (oslo.*) and generic ones | 13:36 |
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| ttx | so that you don't end up answering that question again and again :) | 13:37 |
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| markmc | well, it's kinda of implicit from the name | 13:37 |
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| markmc | how about you take a stab at explaining it in the wiki page? | 13:38 |
| * markmc did try | 13:38 | |
| ttx | the openstack-centricity aspect doesn't appear anywhere but in the name | 13:38 |
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| ttx | ok, let me try | 13:38 |
| markmc | ttx, added a line to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Libraries | 13:39 |
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| ttx | markmc: looks good. Note that the "There are currently three libraries published..." sentence creates maintenance debt :) | 13:41 |
| markmc | ttx, meh | 13:41 |
| markmc | ttx, so, this bit: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#The_Oslo_Team | 13:41 |
| ttx | "The following libraries are currently published by the Oslo program" ? | 13:42 |
| markmc | ttx, is where I'm trying to say Oslo is about the group of cross-project developers | 13:42 |
| markmc | ttx, rather than it being about a group of libraries that share the same name | 13:42 |
| markmc | ttx, sure, sounds good | 13:42 |
| ttx | yeah, htat worked | 13:42 |
| ttx | will update | 13:42 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: thanks for taking a look at it | 14:51 |
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| ranger6 | Easy question: In Keystone "run_tests.sh" I get a few "ERROR"'s, but no "FAILS". Script exits with 0 and claims "ok". So, is this really "ok" and ERROR implies test/feature not working yet, but no regression? | 15:42 |
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| jws7 | Once the do_terminate_instance() method is executed once, it appears not to be execute again for a few minutes. Any subsequent attempts to terminate instances do not result in the code being executed | 15:43 |
| jws7 | however, after those few minutes have passed the code is executed, it seems as if a lock is gained on the code and is not immediately released | 15:43 |
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| dolphm | ranger6: the ERRORS you see are actually skiptests.. i'm not sure why they're rendering as ERRORs | 16:52 |
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| dolphm | ranger6: actual errors will result in a non-zero exit | 16:53 |
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| ranger6 | dolphm, thanks! | 16:56 |
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| clarkb | it is worth mentioning there are cases where nose will not treat errors as errors and return 0... | 16:57 |
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| clarkb | python2.6 and unittest2 setup class/module (I forget if it was one or both) throwing an exception results in an Error but a zero return code | 16:58 |
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| jesusaurus | what is pbr? | 17:00 |
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| clarkb | jesusaurus: python packaging magicalness | 17:01 |
| READ10 | a hipster beer | 17:01 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: it makes several assumptions about how you want your python package to be packaged and does most of the heavy lifting for you. It is also configured through setup.cfg and does not use a complicated setup.py | 17:01 |
| * READ10 couldn't resist | 17:01 | |
| jesusaurus | hmm, well after the commit to use it in python-swiftclient, my jenkins job is no longer able to install python-swiftclient | 17:02 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: I think that means your setuptools and distribute are too old | 17:02 |
| clarkb | (this is the most common problem) | 17:02 |
| clarkb | does it complain about setuptools at the end with some zip related error? | 17:02 |
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| jesusaurus | what versions are needed | 17:03 |
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| jesusaurus | yeah, im getting some ZipImportErrro mumble bad header mumble | 17:03 |
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| clarkb | jesusaurus: I'm not sure of the required minimum but whatever latest tox uses will work | 17:04 |
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| jesusaurus | well, im installing all dependencies from pypi in a fresh virtualenv and still getting the error | 17:07 |
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| clarkb | jesusaurus: there is a reason for that and it is because virtualenv bundles distribute | 17:08 |
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| clarkb | so when you first install things to that virtualenv the old distribute is imported and not reloaded after a new version is pulled in | 17:09 |
| jesusaurus | huh | 17:09 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: this is why our slaves do a crazy thing and ensure latest on virtualenv or was it tox? | 17:10 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: I think if you pip install --upgrade distribute then install swiftclient in a second command it should work | 17:10 |
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| * jesusaurus gives that a try | 17:11 | |
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| jesusaurus | yep, that did the trick | 17:15 |
| jesusaurus | thanks clarkb | 17:15 |
| clarkb | awesome | 17:15 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: warning, mordred is moving more and more projects to pbr. Might be half sane to simply update distribute whenever you create a new virtualenv | 17:16 |
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| jesusaurus | noted | 17:20 |
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| gyee | dolphm, ayoung, lemme know if I am heading the right direction on this one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29021/ | 17:35 |
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| ayoung | gyee, better, but PKI and uuid are not really two different providers, but two differing validation mechanisms. The two providers are V2 and V3 | 17:47 |
| ayoung | yes, me calling it Format was a mistake | 17:47 |
| mordred | clarkb: aroo? | 17:49 |
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| ayoung | termie, a couple things on token revocation. First, are you ok with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28859/ and second is there a way I could convince you to not -2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27597/ | 17:51 |
| gyee | ayoung, token provider basically implements the token operation logic | 17:52 |
| gyee | token is abstract | 17:52 |
| clarkb | mordred: pbr is unhappy with the version of distribute in precise and wheezy | 17:52 |
| clarkb | so you have to upgrade first | 17:52 |
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| topol | ayoung, so the anonymous binding works as is? I had folks tell me it did not work/not supported. Did it work for you??? | 17:56 |
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| ayoung | topol, worked for me | 17:57 |
| ayoung | topol, here is what I did | 17:57 |
| ayoung | first, apply sahdev's patch | 17:57 |
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| ayoung | run devstack with the LDAP stuff enabled | 17:57 |
| ayoung | make sure it works etc. | 17:57 |
| ayoung | kill keystone, delete the userid and password and rerun keystone | 17:57 |
| ayoung | I ran in a debugger, and it still worked | 17:58 |
| mordred | clarkb: that's because it sucks | 17:58 |
| ayoung | so, yeah, nothing to see there, move along | 17:58 |
| mordred | clarkb: you can just run setup.py --version once first | 17:58 |
| ayoung | gyee, any token should be verifiable online. The thing about uuid is that it is just a key into a database....I hate that approach...ugh | 17:59 |
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| topol | ayoung, K, I will ask the folks who opened up the requirement to explain the issue they had and I will tell them what you did... | 17:59 |
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| mordred | jesusaurus: if you just do "python setup.py --version ; python setup.py install" in python-swiftclient it should work | 18:00 |
| gyee | ayoung, isn't that the more reason we have one provider? | 18:00 |
| gyee | as oppose to v2_provider and v3_provider | 18:00 |
| ayoung | gyee, I'm just saying that the provider is for the token format | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | then we have 2 verification mechanisms: pki and key-lookup | 18:00 |
| ayoung | if I register a new format, I should still have the two verification mechanisms available | 18:01 |
| gyee | ayoung, I am saying token format is irrelevant, token is just an abstraction | 18:01 |
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| ayoung | gyee, I would organize it this way: we have a list of supported formats. We have a list of supported verification mechanisms. The verification mechanisms do common online behvior type things, and then delegate to the formats for the formats specific verification. THe set of formats supported should come out of the past pipeline, but the verification mechanisms should not | 18:03 |
| jesusaurus | mordred: is there some magic in 'python setup.py --version'? 'python setup.py install' is what was failing (in a fresh virtualenv). | 18:03 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I closed the anonymous binding blueprint. It works already. | 18:04 |
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| clarkb | jesusaurus: yeah, it pull in setup_requires without continuing on iirc. So it avoids the install new distribute but don't import it problem | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: really? is there at least something to document there? | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, not really. | 18:04 |
| ayoung | dolphm, maybe we can put in a blurb that says: to get anonymous binding, drop the userid and password | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | lol, how did the bp get filed then? | 18:06 |
| ayoung | I'll let topolino submit that when he gets back, after he verified that it does in fact work | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | i have to assume someone tried anonymous binding and it didn't work, no? | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I think they looked at the code and saw that it didn't do an explicit bind and thus assumed it would fail, but it doesn't | 18:06 |
| ayoung | dolphm, either that, or it is an Directory Server specific response, and they used something other than openldap. In that case, it is a bug | 18:07 |
| gyee | ayoung, token provider handle token operations (both format and verification) | 18:07 |
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| gyee | why do we need to break it down further? | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: alright, thanks for testing it! | 18:07 |
| ayoung | gyee, no, not "break it down further" but rather "get rid of too many abstractions" | 18:08 |
| gyee | we only have one abstraction, which is token provider | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | gyee, I don't see why this needs to be a 1k line change...it should be a smallish thing, letting us plug in v2, v3, or other token formates | 18:09 |
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| ayoung | I'm guessing token provider used to be factory? | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | gyee, the provider abstract calls are specific to the formate of the token: check_v2_token validate_v3_token and so on. That is the wrong abstraction | 18:11 |
| ayoung | It should just be create token, verify token | 18:12 |
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| gyee | ayoung, I though about just create token, verify token, etc at the beginning | 18:12 |
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| gyee | but we are supporting both v2 and v3 APIs | 18:12 |
| ayoung | v2 and v3 can depend on mostly common code for the internals, and use a shared class | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | gyee so do it as a pipeline. THe selection logic should be the same as it is now: how do we determine if a token is v2 or v3? | 18:13 |
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| gyee | as a pipeline? | 18:14 |
| ayoung | dolphm, can you chime in on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28859/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27597/ | 18:14 |
| ayoung | gyee, yeah, a pipeline, or chain of responsibility if you like Gof4 speak | 18:15 |
| gyee | v2 and v3 token can be intermix | 18:15 |
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| gyee | you can all v3 api to validate a v2 token | 18:15 |
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| ayoung | gyee, and how do you detect the format? | 18:16 |
| gyee | retrieve the token and inspect the token data | 18:16 |
| ayoung | gyee, yeah..you have check_v3_token( and check_v2_token( | 18:17 |
| ayoung | gyee, how about | 18:17 |
| ayoung | check_token_format | 18:17 |
| ayoung | or somethng | 18:17 |
| gyee | ayoung, yeah, I have that | 18:18 |
| ayoung | make the API have 3 functions: | 18:18 |
| gyee | see provider.py | 18:18 |
| ayoung | check, verify, create | 18:18 |
| ayoung | two implementations: v2 and v3 | 18:18 |
| gyee | originally I have issue, verify, check, and revoke | 18:18 |
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| ayoung | gyee, that is the correct abstraction | 18:19 |
| gyee | but I was having a hard time with v2 and v3 | 18:19 |
| ayoung | then you have a v2 and a v3 impl, and maybe they share common code, but they have their own personalities to | 18:19 |
| ayoung | too | 18:19 |
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| gyee | I was thinking having a version parameter | 18:20 |
| ayoung | gyee, so, though we are not going to impl it, imagine that we had saml or that json_token scheme in the mix. think how you would want to add one of those dynamically | 18:20 |
| ayoung | gyee, I think you get it. No? | 18:20 |
| gyee | ayoung, not until we completely abstracted token | 18:21 |
| gyee | we are not quite there yet | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | fair enough, and I think the whole MII test thing is still a little wonky, but I don't think the current layout fills the goals of the blueprint. | 18:22 |
| gyee | we need a token interface, similiar to AccessInfo in keystoneclient | 18:22 |
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| gyee | token provider plugin is just the first step | 18:22 |
| ayoung | gyee, maybe we should just use accessinfo, then | 18:22 |
| gyee | ayoung, second bp :) | 18:23 |
| ayoung | fair enough | 18:23 |
| ekarlso- | ayoung: is it easy setting up keystone to use freeipa ldap ? | 18:23 |
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| dolphm | gyee: the internal usage of tokens should be self-consistent, such that the v2 controllers are creating v3 tokens internally, and exposing them as v2 tokens | 18:23 |
| ayoung | ekarlso-, fairly straightforward | 18:23 |
| ayoung | dolphm, not sure about that | 18:23 |
| gyee | dolphm, make sense | 18:23 |
| ayoung | dolphm, why would it create a v3 to munge back to v2? | 18:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: because v2 is deprecated | 18:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the fact that we're writing two different formats to the driver is horrendous | 18:24 |
| gyee | ayoung, I think dolphm meant token data persist in the backend | 18:24 |
| gyee | we have the capability to translate v3 token data into v2 token data anyway | 18:25 |
| dolphm | pulling a token straight from the driver, you absolutely shouldn't be able to tell which controller created it | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I see what you are getting at. I need to chew on that one. Agreed that the v3 format should be the basis, but worried that a transform from v3 to v2 might not be done identically, and thus two things that should be identical end up being different, if only inthe signatures produced...but that might just be a vestige of how I was thinking about them in the past. | 18:27 |
| ayoung | I do know that using the cms operations to look at v2 signed token is going to look very different from the same data presented from a comparabe v3 token... | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, so we would only persist the v3 format? | 18:28 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: sort of, rather the data persisted by the driver should be api-agnostic | 18:29 |
| gyee | dolphm, right now I am storing the whole shebang into the backend so we gain performance on validation | 18:29 |
| dolphm | ayoung: there's more data in the v3 format than the v2 format, so storing v2 shouldn't be an option | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, so if we were to do SAML or the JSON token thing, those would all be transforms from a canonical format? | 18:30 |
| dolphm | gyee: the performance gain is premature | 18:30 |
| gyee | only difference is the service catalog | 18:30 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, OK, I think I can buy that. Doesn't change my argument to gyee any, mind you, actually kind of reinforces it. | 18:32 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm not familiar with how "SAML or the JSON token thing" would/should impact the driver interface | 18:32 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i wasn't following the discussion | 18:32 |
| ayoung | dolphm, let me just hand wave them away as "other signed authorization data formats" and assume that they carry the same data as Keystone tokens | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | SAML is basically a signed document, just in XML, with assertions, not much different than what a PKI signed token carries | 18:33 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ah, yeah if you're just talking presentation layer, then yes -- they should be persisted like everything else | 18:33 |
| ayoung | there is also a format for JSON...I'll see if I can find a ref | 18:33 |
| dolphm | ayoung: as-is, we're literally store presentation details in sql/memcache/etc | 18:33 |
| dolphm | storing* | 18:33 |
| ayoung | dolphm, http://self-issued.info/docs/draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token.html JWT or JSON web tokens | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | if GWT is pronounced Gwit, I guess these would be Jewts | 18:34 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ah, we touched on that at the summit | 18:34 |
| ayoung | I'm strangly OK with that pronunciation | 18:34 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: ayoung Hey guys, I have a couple questions on some of the notification work for Keystone and wanted to get some feedback. I know you're in the middle of something but if you have time later, feel free to ping me | 18:34 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: go for it | 18:35 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, fireaway, e can multitask | 18:35 |
| gyee | lbragstad, this is also the multitasking room | 18:35 |
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| dolphm | s/e can/ayoung can/ | 18:35 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: xenapi: ensure vdi is not too big when resizing down https://review.openstack.org/24666 | 18:35 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: ok, so I am kind of looking at this in a similar way that nova does. nova/notifications.py just talks to the nova/openstack/common/notifier/api.py. So inside of notification.py is where the payload is built and that is were config options from nova.conf are read in depending on the 'level' of notifications the uses wants. Just curious if keystone should be set up the same way? Thinking of future work with notifications and the | 18:37 |
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| termie | ayoung: what is so hard about implementing it the correct way? | 18:38 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: i just don't see a use case for non-trivial payloads | 18:38 |
| termie | ayoung: this bandaid will last forever once there is no longer anybody worrying about it | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | I agree with dolphm in that this should also be a simple implementation, so on the other side, what would be the base requirements for a user to enable to get the notifications to work? | 18:39 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: right, so just providing the resource or URI that was modified, correct? | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | keeping it simple | 18:39 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: if the URI is in the payload, then you're pushing api versions on consumers | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | ok | 18:40 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: so, a client should be able to build a web request given the topic and the id in the payload | 18:40 |
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| ayoung | termie, I don't thik that we can get to the clock system with the current constraints. We still need to be able to enumerate the set of tokens for a user, and mark a subset of them invalid when invalidating tokens, but the current logic does not permit invalidating all tokens | 18:41 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: base requirements for the user - whatever oslo.notify requires? | 18:41 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Include list of attached volumes with instance info https://review.openstack.org/27067 | 18:41 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: so that would be the absolute base of what we would need to deliver in the notification | 18:41 |
| ayoung | termie, my goal was to get rid of token invalidation all together by using short term tokens and delegations | 18:41 |
| ayoung | still is, and once we have that, all of this other crap can go away | 18:41 |
| termie | ayoung: why do we need to make a subset as invalid? | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: sorry I was thinking base requirements from the perspective of a user enabling notifications through a config option or something. Ex: In order to use notification set <property>=True in keystone.conf | 18:42 |
| ayoung | termie, we have arule that say "if a user is no longer a member of a project, invalidate all tokens for that project" | 18:42 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: right; if keystone.conf contains enough config for oslo.notify, what else do you need? | 18:43 |
| termie | ayoung: and why can't we invalidate all tokens for the user? | 18:43 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: in nova's case, there are three additional config options you can specify 1.) notify_on_state_change 2.) notify_on_any_change 3.) notify_api_faults | 18:44 |
| dolphm | termie: we used to only do it that way, i don't think it would be a big deal to go back | 18:44 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/notifications.py#L38 | 18:44 |
| ayoung | termie, so assume a user is in a project that was being deactivated, and they kciked off a long term action that was using resources under a different process. IN the middle, their tokens get invalidated, and now all their jobs fail | 18:44 |
| termie | ayoung: sucks for them, SUPER EDGE CASE | 18:44 |
| ayoung | termie, it is just one example. Bascially, long lived tokens suck | 18:45 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: well, faults are out of scope, and the initial use case only requires notifications for delete/disable events for tenants/projects | 18:45 |
| termie | ayoung: we all know that, and making them shorter lived will only make invalidating them all less of a problem | 18:45 |
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| termie | ayoung: your perceived 0.01% edge case goes away as we progress towards the future | 18:45 |
| ayoung | termie, say I was an admin for a project, and I wanted to mess with you. I keep adding and removing you from my project, and now you can't get any work done | 18:45 |
| termie | ayoung: w | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | termie, if tokens are short, agreed. | 18:45 |
| termie | ayoung: t | 18:45 |
| termie | ayoung: f | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: ok, sounds good, that is something that can be implemented/added later if needed. | 18:45 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: ++ | 18:46 |
| ayoung | but until we get there, I'd like to handle the brokeness of the current system | 18:46 |
| termie | ayoung: that is _the_ worst example i've ever heard | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: just wanted to make sure if we added it now, everyone is one the same page/agreement with config names and so on | 18:46 |
| ayoung | termie, the cloud is a hostile environment | 18:46 |
| termie | ayoung: it is a nonsense example | 18:46 |
| dolphm | ayoung: fire the admin | 18:47 |
| termie | dolphm++ | 18:47 |
| dolphm | ayoung: physical punishment is out of scope for keystone | 18:47 |
| termie | ayoung: this does not happen in the real world | 18:47 |
| ayoung | termie, but things like that do happen by accident | 18:47 |
| termie | ayoung: nope | 18:47 |
| termie | o sorry, i wrote a script to toggle your membership to this project but i accidentally put it on crontab | 18:48 |
| ayoung | termie, let me pull up the origianl discussion where we had this. I did not come up with this, it was a request from elsewhere .... | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | termie, heh | 18:48 |
| ayoung | actually, I could see you doing that to *me* specifically | 18:48 |
| termie | FOR EVERY SECOND | 18:48 |
| termie | ayoung: i would literally just delete your user | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | termie, nah, there are beter ways to mess with someones head | 18:49 |
| chmouel | not sure if this is related but it would be nice if we could invalidate all user token belonging to a project when the project is updated (like enabled or not) i.e: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1179955 | 18:49 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: it doesn't look like notifier (from oslo) requires much https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/openstack/common/notifier/api.py#L91 | 18:50 |
| ayoung | anyway, if we do the clock method, we change the semantics of revocation. I didn't come up with them in the first place, but I kind of understand the rationale. I know long term where we want to go, but we have to do short term maintenance | 18:50 |
| ayoung | let me find the origianl discussion | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, termie https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1050025 | 18:51 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1050025 in keystone "Token invalidation in case of role grant/revoke should be limited to affected tenant" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I wasn;t even involved in that. you, ttx and heckj were | 18:52 |
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| termie | ayoung: while i agree that it is *ideal* to have token revocation be limited to as small of a scope as is necessary, i don't think the impact of having admins (already trusted by somebody) being able to cause you to have to re-auth is large enough to warrant the current proposals of attempting to list all the tokens in a system and attempt to revoke them individually | 18:55 |
| termie | ayoung: the impact shrinks while moving towards short-lived tokens aswell | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | termie: here is a more "real world" example. I am an admin and i need to muck with my membership across a ton of tenants. each change revokes my token and i need to re-auth to make the next change. | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | s/tenant/project | 18:57 |
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| termie | morganfainberg: why is your admin account a member of a bunch of tenants? | 18:57 |
| termie | morganfainberg: root != user | 18:57 |
| ayoung | termie, as in most things, I agree with your vision. But we need to get there incrementally. | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | termie: i am not in control of customers and how they handle things. i wish i could enforce that | 18:57 |
| termie | morganfainberg: i suspect they'll get the picture of things are annoying for them ;) | 18:58 |
| termie | s/of/if/ | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | termie: with RBAC you could have an account that has access to add/remove for self-service reasons themselves from projects | 18:58 |
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| morganfainberg | it is a bad user experience to revoke (globally) the tokens (especially with the way horizon works) on each change. | 18:59 |
| termie | morganfainberg: anyway, if you're using a tool like horizon it will be using delegated auth so your "re-authing" will be mostly transparent | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | termie: right, delegation does help mitigate that | 18:59 |
| termie | morganfainberg: i agree, but it is a worse experience to have your service break in subtle ways that you can't see, by, for example, having non-atomic updates | 19:00 |
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| termie | morganfainberg: and don't think i wouldn't like to have more granular revocation, but we can't do it the way we are doign now | 19:00 |
| termie | morganfainberg: build the ability to do that off of a good foundation, not a flakey one | 19:01 |
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| morganfainberg | termie: and i don't contest those statements | 19:01 |
| ayoung | termie, so the change on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27597/ is reasonable. We can remove a whole slew of code once we no longer need to do revocations, but I think that is a long way off. | 19:01 |
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| termie | ayoung: that is why i asked the original question, why don't you just write it the right way? | 19:02 |
| ayoung | termie, the right way is short lived tokens, delegation, and no revocation. | 19:02 |
| ayoung | this is a bug fix until we get there | 19:02 |
| termie | ayoung: the right way, in this case, being something you can move toward that future with | 19:03 |
| termie | ayoung: it isn't any more complicated to add a clock and check it | 19:04 |
| ayoung | termie, of course it isn't more complicated. It just breaks the rules. | 19:04 |
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| ayoung | what do we do, have aclock per project? | 19:05 |
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| termie | ayoung: maybe in the future, but not necessary right now | 19:06 |
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| termie | i'm not saying it is perfect, but i am saying how it currently exists is wrong | 19:07 |
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| morganfainberg | termie: i'd say that it's not much more difficult to do a clock per-project, and iut wouldn't break the rules then. | 19:07 |
| morganfainberg | if the argument is adding a clock is not much more work compared to the proposed kvs (really only memcache) fix | 19:07 |
| ayoung | termie, in the global scheme of things, this is wrong as measured in inches. Long term Bearer tokens is wrong in a measure of light years. I'd rather do the small performance fix here and focus my energy on the real problem | 19:08 |
| termie | morganfainberg: clock-per-project has additional semantics that we haven't discussed yet, so i'd rather table that | 19:08 |
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| termie | ayoung: every journey begins with a single step, etc etc, stop making our journey point to hell | 19:09 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, it is a clock per user-project, and we still have the issue with figuring out which tokens to invalidate for a passwrod change | 19:09 |
| ayoung | termie, I didn't start the train, I'm just trying to apply the brakes | 19:09 |
| termie | ayoung: how do you think people decided to do the various things that you think are wrong with the project? | 19:09 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: true, but i think that's not a huge hurdle | 19:09 |
| termie | ayoung: you are not applying brakes, you are saying lets keep doing this wrongl;y | 19:09 |
| ayoung | termie, arrogance, mostly. | 19:09 |
| termie | ayoung: nope, they thought about things the same way as you are right now | 19:10 |
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| ayoung | termie, they didn't do their homework and decided to build a custom thing instead of reusing already tested mechanisms | 19:10 |
| termie | ayoung: their work was based on rackspace | 19:10 |
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| SpamapS | Has anybody looked at using libdrizzle to solve the async mysql library problem? | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | LinuxJedi: ^^ I'm talking to YOU ;) | 19:12 |
| termie | ayoung: rather than change anything, they just bugfixed the legacy ideas | 19:12 |
| LinuxJedi | SpamapS: we had a potential GSoC project to do that, but the student bailed :( | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | LinuxJedi: wow, that student has no idea what sort of job opportunity they missed | 19:13 |
| LinuxJedi | I would personally do it, but I already work an obscene amount of hours on other things and people are asking me to take on several more things | 19:13 |
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| ayoung | termie, fair enough, but you know that I am working toward not just patching a sucking chest wound. I want to do the real fix, and I think you and I agree on the for of that. However, the issue with memcached and tokens filling up the pages is a tactical mess, and we do need a bug fix for it. If we can come up with a better design, fine, but not without breaking the business rules we've laid down. | 19:14 |
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| termie | ayoung: why do you hate progress? | 19:14 |
| ayoung | termie, why do you? | 19:14 |
| LinuxJedi | SpamapS: at some point I need to package Libdrizzle 5.1 in a way that we can get it in Ubuntu | 19:15 |
| termie | ayoung: i hate on things that aren't progress :) | 19:15 |
| ayoung | termie, why are you making me argue with you over the organization of the deck chairs on the titanic? | 19:15 |
| SpamapS | LinuxJedi: yes please | 19:15 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ping | 19:15 |
| LinuxJedi | one of a million things I want to do. Unfortunately my next few weekends will be spend doing more of my day job | 19:15 |
| termie | ayoung: good analogy, reminds you how much little mistakes can lead to ships sinking | 19:15 |
| LinuxJedi | spent... damn jetlag | 19:16 |
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| ayoung | wonderful, we agree, now please remove you -2, lets let the minor issue pass, and work on turning this ship around? | 19:18 |
| termie | ayoung: hah | 19:18 |
| ayoung | I hate arguming with people I agree with | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | vehement agreement. | 19:18 |
| termie | people tend to use "agreement" as a way to do whatever they wanted | 19:19 |
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| ayoung | OK, so we drop morganfainberg 's patch, move to a clock approach, and deal with the shouts from the community> | 19:22 |
| ayoung | which some people felt strongly enough about to open as a security issue | 19:23 |
| termie | that sounds like a lovely idea, i'm gonna grab lunch | 19:23 |
| ayoung | termie, has anyone told you lately that you are a purist? | 19:24 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung / termie: i would argue that maybe we should put in all the scaffolding for the "right fix" during havana cycle and enforce the solid fix for "I" since that way it's not just ripping the carpet (business rule methodology) out from under the community? | 19:26 |
| morganfainberg | if we get there during havana early enough to enforce the "right fix" but i think its a huge changeset. | 19:26 |
| morganfainberg | potentially | 19:26 |
| morganfainberg | personally i like the clock method, i know i'm going to be reimplementing the current business rules in H if we use it though for my company's release. | 19:27 |
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| morganfainberg | the simplistic clock method that is. | 19:27 |
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| morganfainberg | unless i can get everyone of my customers cut over to proper delegation and short-lived tokens. i don't know how possible it will be do to that over one release cycle, especially if it will be a moving target over the next couple months. | 19:28 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, impossible to do this release | 19:28 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, we can make everything necessary to do it in keystone avaialble, but it will take retooling in other pieces | 19:29 |
| ayoung | nova and heat most notably | 19:29 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: doesn't change my stance, but still needs to be measured. i can't tell my customers who are developing against the API to hit a moving target. | 19:30 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I was answering "i don't know how possible it will be do to that..." | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | nod. | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | lunch time here as well. | 19:32 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, do you agree with termie's position? | 19:35 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: what's termie's position on what issue? | 19:50 |
| enikanorov | nati_ueno: thanks for the review. | 19:53 |
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| nati_ueno | enikanorov: your welcome. I like composite way also | 19:53 |
| gyee | dolphm, I think they agreed to disagree :) | 19:54 |
| enikanorov | nati_ueno: i wanted to ask, do you have a blueprint regarding routed insertion? may be some implementation details described? | 19:54 |
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| nati_ueno | enikanorov: Alex is working on the routed service insertion, but it looks I can't see service insertion bp now. | 19:56 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: And I didn't know the implementation detail yet also | 19:57 |
| enikanorov | you mean Alex Xu? | 19:57 |
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| nati_ueno | enikanorov: That's why I started discussion of http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-May/009045.html | 19:58 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: yes Alex | 19:58 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: Xu | 19:58 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: he wrote quantum server side in late G | 19:58 |
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| enikanorov | ok, thanks for the link/ I'll review | 19:59 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: Thanks! | 19:59 |
| enikanorov | and i was planning to participate | 19:59 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: Great | 20:00 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, read up...but the short of it is that we have a fix for a problem with token revocations lists, and he is blocking it due to his objection to the general implementation of revocation lists, not this fix | 20:05 |
| ayoung | dolphm, gyee the review request is : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27597/ | 20:05 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: why would revocation entries need to exist beyond the expiration of the tokens? | 20:08 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, they don't | 20:12 |
| ayoung | dolphm, in this patch he is proposing cleaning them up | 20:13 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, there is an index page, and it is getting filled up, because they are never removed | 20:13 |
| ayoung | dolphm, the tokens themleves get cleaned up by memcached's timeout mechanism, but the index page lives forever...sortof | 20:14 |
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| ayoung | gyee, I take it unit tests are running for you? Mine are broken and I'm not sure why... | 20:58 |
| gyee | ayoung, you mean for the token plugin stuff? yes | 20:58 |
| ayoung | gyee, I am running off master, but the tests that require a server are failing | 20:58 |
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| gyee | lemme try | 20:58 |
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| ayoung | that last one is the one that failed for me | 20:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Perform mount check after REST params valid on PUT https://review.openstack.org/29106 | 22:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Add missing tests for db.fixed_ip_*(). functions. https://review.openstack.org/29244 | 22:21 |
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| v7 | Newbie here, why do python-novaclient, python-keystoneclient etc Not have a stable/folsom or stable/grizzly branch? | 22:40 |
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| clarkb | v7: because they do not follow the same release cycle. They are developed semi independently and new versions should be backward compatible | 22:41 |
| v7 | clarkb: Thanks! That answers my question | 22:42 |
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| SpamapS | hrm, what happened to https://github.com/cloudbuilders/noVNC.git ? | 22:56 |
| termie | SpamapS: i think the workaround that it used was no longer needed | 22:58 |
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| SpamapS | termie: ah, the Debian/Ubuntu packages are based on that repo. Hrm. | 23:00 |
| termie | SpamapS: i don't have real details, but it is old enough that i would suspect the problems it addressed were resolved long ago | 23:01 |
| SpamapS | Yeah it wasn't made clear in the packaging that this was not the canonical upstream repo. How annoying. | 23:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Refactor Bulk middleware to handle long running requests https://review.openstack.org/28100 | 23:14 |
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| sdague | jgriffith: you about? I've got some tempest refactor patches that seem to be hitting intermitent scheduler fails in cinder | 23:58 |
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| sdague | but these are littlerally moving existing tests to different directories, no functional change | 23:58 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Remove openstack.common.version. https://review.openstack.org/29318 | 23:59 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Implement cloned volume for the RBD driver https://review.openstack.org/29222 | 23:59 |
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