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| clarkb | keystone folks: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28363/1 and a corresponding change to keystone should fix your python-memcached troubles | 00:26 |
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| clarkb | and digging through the github issues for python-memcached I see that the problem should be fixed with a version recently pushed to pypi. I am rerunning the mirror jobs to pull in that version | 00:47 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, were you able to figure out a way around the greenthread/testing setup? | 01:42 |
| jamielennox | so at the moment i can isolate it to quite a small area | 01:43 |
| jamielennox | actually re: testing or in general | 01:43 |
| jamielennox | cause i'm trying to keep the patches seperate | 01:43 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, so for the things like python-keystoneclient tests, how are you planning on running the server? | 01:44 |
| jamielennox | i was hoping to use webtest.http.StopableWSGIServer | 01:44 |
| jamielennox | it seems to be just a wrapper around a thread based wsgi server | 01:44 |
| jamielennox | with better support for stopping and starting | 01:44 |
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| jamielennox | running that with eventlet doesn't work at all | 01:45 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, that might actually be fine. Python Threading issues should not come into play, now that I think about it | 01:45 |
| jamielennox | the ones i'm not sure about how to go about are related to SSL and ipv6 | 01:45 |
| ayoung | we don't care about performance, and the web server should never be blocking on a call back to the client, so dead lock isn't an issue. | 01:45 |
| jamielennox | ipv6 all of a sudden less of a concern though | 01:45 |
| ayoung | Don;t worry about Ipv6 for the first iteration, as we are commenting that out anyway | 01:46 |
| ayoung | yep | 01:46 |
| jamielennox | yes, but if eventlet patches threads globally then it screws up running the server | 01:46 |
| jamielennox | haven't looked that far into it | 01:46 |
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| jamielennox | my thought is to keep the patches seperate that i can more or less isolate eventlet in testing down into a strict few tests | 01:47 |
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| jamielennox | i've actually done some rearranging, i'm not sure if i should keep it or not for now | 01:47 |
| jamielennox | then when i go for a patch to move out eventlet completely i'll bring the changes through to the tests | 01:48 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, so, on the server, all of the monkeypatching should be done in the starup code | 01:49 |
| ayoung | but for the tests, it should be isoltated to the keystone/test.py file or something top level like that | 01:49 |
| ayoung | sounds like you are tracking, I won't derail you then. | 01:49 |
| jamielennox | i can post some stuff on github if you want to see what i'm looking at | 01:50 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, only if it will help you. I think you have it under control, so just drive on. | 01:51 |
| jamielennox | yea, think it's fine. Particularly with this rearranging though it's going to be a fairly big patch | 01:52 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, so we can chat tomorrow (night for me) once you have this well enough tackled. I think I know how I want to split up some other work, but it can wait until it gets your full attention | 01:53 |
| jamielennox | ok, sounds good | 01:53 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: jenkins killed the ipv6 patch | 01:55 |
| ayoung | looking | 01:55 |
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| jamielennox | lol, there is a review to blacklist memcache-1.50 which i guess is for exactly this reason | 01:56 |
| jamielennox | however unless you combine the patches, each will block the other from being commited | 01:56 |
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| morganfainberg | oi! | 01:57 |
| morganfainberg | that is terrible :P | 01:57 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, nah, the ipv6 one is intermittant | 01:58 |
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| ayoung | so the memcach-1.5 one should go through eventually... | 01:58 |
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| jamielennox | keep refreshing until you hit an older worker.. | 02:00 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, nah, merging the patches and resubmiitting | 02:00 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, morganfainberg https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28338/ | 02:01 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo.config: Fixes OptGroup title set typo https://review.openstack.org/27899 | 02:02 |
| clarkb | yeah I am about to rekick the mirror update scripts which will add 1.51 to the mirror | 02:02 |
| clarkb | 1.51 fixes the problem with 1.50 | 02:03 |
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| ayoung | clarkb, so if I do this is all good? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28338/ | 02:12 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: if you wait for the mirror you should be able to pass ipv6 then memcache. | 02:14 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, ah...ok, I'll roll back to the earlier version of the IPv6 then | 02:14 |
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| clarkb | yeah no need for pinning in an hour or so | 02:20 |
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| clarkb | ayoung: the mirror has updated. If you rerun your tests now things should work | 03:02 |
| ayoung | clarkb, just kicked it off, thanks | 03:10 |
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| ayoung | clarkb, http://logs.openstack.org/28338/6/check/gate-keystone-pep8/4914/console.html | 03:21 |
| clarkb | ayoung: http://pypi.openstack.org/openstack/python-memcached/ it should find 1.51 there. not sure why it is still grabbing 1.50 | 03:22 |
| clarkb | mordred: fungi ^ any ideas? | 03:23 |
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| fungi | mmm | 03:24 |
| mordred | clarkb: no. it does not make the senses to me | 03:24 |
| fungi | did it run too soon? | 03:24 |
| mordred | I agree with you that 1.51 is on the mirror | 03:25 |
| fungi | guess not | 03:25 |
| ayoung | can you remove 1.50 from the mirror fungi mordred ? | 03:25 |
| fungi | local caching on the slave? | 03:25 |
| mordred | it should not be local caching on the salve | 03:26 |
| mordred | slave | 03:26 |
| mordred | because pip will go do an index scan regardless of remote caches | 03:26 |
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| fungi | ...yeah, agreed | 03:27 |
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| clarkb | I am trying to reproduce locally | 03:27 |
| mordred | good | 03:27 |
| mordred | I'd like to understand the problem before we remove stuffs | 03:27 |
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| * mordred is going to vote timing | 03:28 | |
| mordred | gets 1.51 from the mirror locally | 03:29 |
| ayoung | mordred, why is there a problem removing the broken package just to be sure? | 03:29 |
| mordred | ayoung: not a problem per-se - but if we have a situation where things are pulling wrong versions of packages in general, I'd like to understand it in case it's showing a deeper systemic problem that we're only noticing because 1.50 is borked | 03:29 |
| mordred | it shouldn't take too long to reproduce and make sure | 03:30 |
| ayoung | mordred, ok, if you can do a reverify on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28338/ once you are done, I'll check in the morning | 03:30 |
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| mordred | ayoung: totally | 03:30 |
| fungi | the broken package isn't removed from pypi necessarily either. should still work | 03:30 |
| mordred | god I hate link scanning in pip/pypi | 03:31 |
| ayoung | mordred, should I kick off a reverify now, since you think it is timing? | 03:31 |
| clarkb | ayoung: it won't hurt | 03:31 |
| clarkb | so many missing C dependencies.. | 03:33 |
| fungi | yeah, and python-memcached is one of the primary examples of pypi-indexed-not-hosted packages | 03:34 |
| clarkb | ayoung: looks like it is working now | 03:37 |
| ayoung | clarkb, I think that it is in the queue, just behind a tempest run that is taking a while | 03:39 |
| clarkb | ayoung: it is | 03:39 |
| ayoung | gnight | 03:39 |
| clarkb | but a bunch of the tests have run and passed | 03:39 |
| clarkb | works locally too. | 03:39 |
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| fungi | off to the races, i guess | 03:42 |
| mordred | w00t! | 03:43 |
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| fungi | mordred was closest without going over | 03:44 |
| fungi | or something | 03:44 |
| mordred | definitely or | 03:44 |
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| rerngvit | hello | 06:12 |
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| rerngvit | I am trying to recheck bug in Jerrit in order to submit code patch and have a question. | 06:13 |
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| rerngvit | From the doc (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GerritJenkinsGithub#Test_Failures), it suggests that I should "leave a comment with the form "recheck bug ####"" | 06:13 |
| rerngvit | my question is how should I leave a comment? is it go together as an extra line in a commit message? | 06:14 |
| clarkb | no submit the comment in gerrit | 06:16 |
| clarkb | as a review comment | 06:16 |
| rerngvit | ok thank you. | 06:17 |
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| rerngvit | clarkb: if I don't make any change and try to "git review", I got "! [remote rejected] HEAD -> refs/for/master/bp/utilization-based-scheduling (no changes made)". | 06:22 |
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| clarkb | thats normal | 06:26 |
| clarkb | gerrit wont accept patches it already has | 06:26 |
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| clarkb | also that test fails because the sixty second timeout in https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/.testr.conf was hit | 06:27 |
| rerngvit | clarkb: hmm, what should I do then? should I add an extra line or space somewhere? | 06:28 |
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| clarkb | rerngvit: what are you trying to accomplish? | 06:30 |
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| rerngvit | I am implementing this blue print (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=utilization-based-scheduling) | 06:31 |
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| rerngvit | last patch, it was quite big so I separate it into manageable parts and submit each one. | 06:32 |
| rerngvit | This is the first one. | 06:32 |
| clarkb | the error from gerrit indicates nothing has changed. the commit sha is the same | 06:33 |
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| garyk | gongysh: ping | 06:33 |
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| rerngvit | I understand. My question is then how normally should this be done ( recheck submit ) | 06:34 |
| rerngvit | ? | 06:34 |
| gongysh | hi | 06:34 |
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| clarkb | rerngvit: if you just want to resubmit you do that through gerrits web interface by leaving a review on the change with the magic string in the comment field | 06:36 |
| clarkb | s/resubmit/recheck/ | 06:36 |
| rerngvit | clarkb: ok thank you. I'll try that then | 06:37 |
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| basha | Hi. We have a question. Is it a convention that all the modules copied over from oslo-incubator (by running an update.py) should be put into the openstack/common folder? | 10:33 |
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| sandywalsh | markmc, re: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/consume-notifications-rpc ... havana-2 is fine. We have a workaround now (the current mechanism), it would just be nice to clean it up. | 14:39 |
| markmc | sandywalsh, cool, thanks | 14:40 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, IPv6 merged last night. Your patch should go through now | 14:56 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: thank you! | 15:07 |
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| jgriffith | adam_g_: thanks for the feedback on those backports | 15:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/quantum: Log msg for load policy file only if the file is actually loaded https://review.openstack.org/28250 | 15:29 |
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| adam_g_ | jgriffith: np! | 15:31 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, with regard to "Filling up the token table." jamielennox wrote a patch last night that (when called from the CLI) migrates the data out of the token table and into an archival table. I would think that should be a good first step, but after that, we would want to ship them off the Keystone server. Would it make sense to have a stand alone executable that copies the token_archival table in a message and sent it via AMQP, and | 15:48 |
| ayoung | then delete all rows? | 15:48 |
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| ayoung | bdpayne, glad you are here. Do you have time for an auditing question? | 15:49 |
| bdpayne | sure | 15:49 |
| ayoung | bdpayne, I am working on the assumption that we need to hold on to the tokens for longer than their expiration time. Is that correct? | 15:50 |
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| bdpayne | I guess it depends on what you're putting in the logs | 15:50 |
| bdpayne | what you want is a record of all access and access attempts | 15:51 |
| ayoung | bdpayne, right now, if you use the SQL backend, there is no way to clean up expired tokens, and I was thinking that the right solution would be to periodically get the old tokens out of keystone, and send them via the message bus to an archival server. | 15:51 |
| bdpayne | if you need the tokens for that, then you probably need to log them | 15:51 |
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| ayoung | bdpayne, well, that information comes out of the policy engine, I am not sure it needs the token, too | 15:51 |
| bdpayne | tbh, I'd rather not see the tokens in the logs | 15:51 |
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| bdpayne | seems like you should just need user did xyz at time abc | 15:52 |
| bdpayne | (roughly) :-) | 15:52 |
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| ayoung | bdpayne, ok...I think you are right there. Do you think that there will be a requirement to maintain a copy of the tokens at all? | 15:52 |
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| bdpayne | I can't think of one off hand… they are really just an implementation detail and what you want to audit, it would seem to me, is the user-level access information | 15:53 |
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| bdpayne | basically, I imagine users for auditing, tokens for debugging | 15:54 |
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| bdpayne | but, I'm more of a security hat than a compliance hat, so it might be good to run this by a compliance expert to be sure | 15:54 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: topol: jenkins is passing this now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28197/ | 15:56 |
| ayoung | bdpayne, I think that we will need to hook auditing into the policy engine | 15:56 |
| dolphm | backport is here, but master should merge first- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28423/ | 15:56 |
| ayoung | dolphm, excellent. | 15:56 |
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| topol | dolphm, cool I will review today | 15:56 |
| bdpayne | young I do agree with that (auditing in the policy engine) | 15:56 |
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| ayoung | bdpayne, we could use some sort of blueprint for auditing. | 15:58 |
| bdpayne | always good to log where the decisions are made | 15:58 |
| ayoung | I guess that would be under oslo | 15:58 |
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| bdpayne | probably under all of the projects, to be honest | 15:58 |
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| bdpayne | oslo would be a good start | 15:58 |
| ayoung | bdpayne, can you chime in on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28133/ then? | 15:58 |
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| ayoung | You don't need to +/- just provide feedback | 15:59 |
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| bdpayne | ayoung why not flush them from memcache? | 16:03 |
| bdpayne | or is it already flushing itself? | 16:04 |
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| ayoung | bdpayne, yes memcache can flush based on expiray | 16:05 |
| ayoung | expiry | 16:05 |
| ayoung | that is what most people are using, I think. | 16:05 |
| ayoung | tokens and memcache are, for the most part, a good fit. If we could drop the requirement for revocation lists, it would be a perfect fit, I think. | 16:06 |
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| bdpayne | looks ok | 16:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tempest: change test_register_http_image to use explicit url https://review.openstack.org/28351 | 16:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Fix ability to add custom volume_backend_name https://review.openstack.org/28208 | 16:13 |
| ayoung | dolphm, we need to backport the IPv6 fix | 16:13 |
| bknudson | Do the grizzly pip requires get locked down at some point? | 16:14 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28431/ | 16:14 |
| bknudson | I mean the versions of the packages Openstack depends on | 16:14 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ^ | 16:14 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ayoung: what about folsom? | 16:14 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, let me check. If the IPv6 tests are being called there, then yes. | 16:15 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I think actually folsom is ok | 16:17 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/stable/folsom/keystone/test.py#L264 | 16:17 |
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| ayoung | no IPv6 check in there | 16:17 |
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| ayoung | no IPv6 in here either, https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/stable/folsom/tests/test_ssl.py and no test_ipv6.py | 16:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-openstackclient: Rename all instances of 'metadata' to 'property'. https://review.openstack.org/28432 | 16:23 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: thanks | 16:25 |
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| BobBall | Can anyone help me? Git review for a tempest change claims that it can't rebase on remotes/gerrit/master - but I have tried rebasing on both that and origin/master but with the same error message. It claims it can't merge due to change 807aa73 - which is present in the history log before the rebase triggered by git review, but is not present in the log during the git review | 16:30 |
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| adam_g_ | jgriffith: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1160340 still critical for 2013.1.1? if so, i can throw up a leaner backport for review | 16:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1160340 in cinder/grizzly "Huawei driver: Failed to delete volume or snapshot if volume id or snapshot id is 0" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/keystone: LDAP list groups with missing member entry https://review.openstack.org/27787 | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | adam_g_: so I've dropped the more controversial patch, but was hoping to see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28207/ land | 17:10 |
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| adam_g_ | jgriffith: k. i assume there are no issues with potentially changing the backend_name in the stats reporting? | 17:36 |
| jgriffith | adam_g_: on 28207? | 17:37 |
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| jgriffith | adam_g_: so yeah, no problem there... that actually only allows an over-ride from the config flags | 17:38 |
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| jgriffith | adam_g_: which is needed to do multi-backend routing | 17:38 |
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| jgriffith | adam_g_: the default naming will still be picked up by the class name as before | 17:38 |
| jgriffith | adam_g_: 28840 is the same scenario | 17:39 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, how do we nominate something as backport potential? | 17:48 |
| ayoung | I'm thinking this one specficially https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1174585 | 17:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1174585 in keystone "LDAP list group users should not fail if user entry deleted" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 17:49 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: dolphm: I'd like that one to be backported, too. I thought there was a tag to apply... | 17:51 |
| dolphm | ayoung: tag the bug with grizzly-backport-potential | 17:51 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: ^ | 17:51 |
| bknudson | dolphm: did it, thanks. | 17:51 |
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| dwaite | gluten tag | 17:52 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: Do I just cherry-pick it or wait for it to be approved? | 17:52 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tempest: Update service test case - V3 https://review.openstack.org/22317 | 17:52 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: why is the test specific to ldap?? | 17:52 |
| dolphm | bknudson: cherry-pick | 17:53 |
| bknudson | dolphm: In the case of LDAP, the users might be administered outside of Keystone. | 17:54 |
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| bknudson | as in, it's a read-only LDAP server | 17:54 |
| bknudson | it would be weird using the sql backend to delete users with sql directly, but it's not with LDAP. | 17:54 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: what is it testing that doesnt apply to other backends? | 17:54 |
| dolphm | oh user.delete | 17:55 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I'll do the cherry-pick and put it up for review | 17:56 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: #openstack-meeting | 18:01 |
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| ayoung | topol, spzala OK, let me explain....no, is too much, let me sum up | 18:59 |
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| spzala | ayoung: thanks. OK. | 18:59 |
| ayoung | lets say someone with a read only LDAP wants to move to grizzly. | 19:00 |
| ayoung | THey don't have any available attributes to map to domain id | 19:00 |
| dolphm | simo: can you explain how "key management service" is "unrelated" to your need for a "key server"? | 19:00 |
| ayoung | spzala, businessCat, if it exists, is being used | 19:00 |
| simo | dolphm: barbican is about encryption keys for volumes | 19:00 |
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| dolphm | simo: that's just the first use case they're tackling | 19:01 |
| simo | dolphm: a key server is about credentials for services | 19:01 |
| dolphm | simo: for the purposes of achieving incubation/integration | 19:01 |
| simo | right | 19:01 |
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| simo | MsessageSecurity is meant to land in Havana though | 19:01 |
| simo | and keystone seem to be the identity/credentials handler here | 19:01 |
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| simo | the key manager is an optional long term thing | 19:01 |
| topol | ayoung, no available attributed to map domain id is the ignore case I want sahdev to test | 19:01 |
| spzala | ayoung: I remember, but vaguely, that if no domain_id specified it will be just ignored. | 19:02 |
| ayoung | spzala, so we need to make sure that domainid is not mapping to any attributes in the underlying object, but still functions correctly when we do things like try to correlate users and projects | 19:02 |
| dolphm | "optional long term" ? | 19:02 |
| ayoung | topol, good, I think we all get it | 19:02 |
| simo | well it's not clear to me that they have a commitment of being there and working since Havana | 19:02 |
| simo | also key manager still will depend on keystone for identities | 19:02 |
| simo | and the key server is more about managing service identity in my view | 19:03 |
| simo | of course it does some crypto and stores shared keys too | 19:03 |
| topol | so do I still need to review dolphms patch or is that now abandoned??? | 19:03 |
| malini_ | simo -- key manager is just about serving keys (symmetric) and | 19:03 |
| dolphm | topol: i have no idea | 19:03 |
| malini_ | later public/private/certificates | 19:03 |
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| simo | malini_: would you accept the code I am building ? | 19:04 |
| ayoung | topol, make sure you undertand it, but I thik we will go with spzala 's approach if it works. | 19:04 |
| simo | malini_: is barbican going to be a standard server available in Havana ? | 19:04 |
| malini_ | if it is code that has to become part of cloud keep , the rackspace folks get to comment on it and accept/reject | 19:05 |
| topol | ayoung, I think that is the only option. spzala's is the one approach small enough to be a candidate for backport | 19:05 |
| malini_ | may be after a few more commits I will get that privilege in their | 19:05 |
| malini_ | git master | 19:05 |
| bknudson | dolphm did comment on spzala's earlier patch... about the conditional aspect | 19:05 |
| malini_ | Simo: yes | 19:05 |
| simo | I'd rather not play politics now though | 19:05 |
| bknudson | which, I really did like dolphm's virtual default domain. | 19:05 |
| malini_ | July 18 is target date for incubation for Havana and we want to meet that | 19:05 |
| simo | I still see the key server as more of a keystone thing than key manager thing | 19:05 |
| topol | if it works with full regression with no mapping of domain_id_attribute (ie put on ignore list) we should consider this. | 19:06 |
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| dolphm | topol: full regression all the things! | 19:06 |
| topol | dolphm, you did look at spzala's pathc before. you hated it. | 19:06 |
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| malini_ | so for july 18, integrated with keystone for auth (i have some questions on that for ayoung and dolphm) and then get/put keys, and have JHU-APL folks use it for block encryption | 19:06 |
| topol | so maybe thats a nonstarter in your mind as well :-( | 19:07 |
| dolphm | topol: the conditional aspect would produce very weird behaviors at the api level | 19:07 |
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| dolphm | topol: not to mention the complexity is pushing it for backportability | 19:07 |
| malini_ | simo -- we had that discussion at portland design summit | 19:07 |
| ayoung | malini_, July 18th is my birthday. Don't expect much out of me that day. | 19:07 |
| topol | dolphm, so where do we go from here??? | 19:07 |
| malini_ | it does make sense to have it as a separate service, it is providing | 19:08 |
| simo | malini_: what discussion ? | 19:08 |
| bknudson | so what problem was spzala's patch trying to solve? That the default domain could either exist or not exist? | 19:08 |
| malini_ | different functionality, think of it a dictionary of key-ids and keys | 19:08 |
| malini_ | i believe you were there, but if that was inadequate, we | 19:08 |
| malini_ | can discuss some more | 19:08 |
| spzala | bknudson: yes, if it exist then use it.. if not, then use virtual default domain | 19:09 |
| dolphm | topol: i don't totally understand ayoung's concerns about "insufficiency" and whether his opinion of something "sufficient" would still be backportable; i'd also like to strip the domain_id from user and tenant objects before persisting them to ldap in my own patch | 19:09 |
| simo | malini_: well my problem is that I would like to get something together soon | 19:09 |
| malini_ | Don Dugger from Intel was also in favor of part of keystone, Adam and self and trhe rackspace folks as a se[arate service | 19:09 |
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| simo | malini_: so that some testing can be done as we are still unsure what's the best approach | 19:09 |
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| simo | malini_: and barbican is not in devstack, and does not really deal with identities afaik | 19:09 |
| topol | dolphm, ok, so how can we help? | 19:10 |
| simo | while keystone is there and already deals with identities and credentials | 19:10 |
| topol | spzala can do a fullr egression for you | 19:10 |
| malini_ | Simo: i used the devstack guide and integrated keystone middleware | 19:10 |
| malini_ | via paste-ini | 19:10 |
| simo | and a key server just adds storing some data and some minor crypto I already have working | 19:10 |
| malini_ | so it would be no differnet from glance etc | 19:10 |
| dolphm | topol: want to ping the users mailing list while i go write another patch? | 19:10 |
| dolphm | i assume spzala is testing a patch (or patches?) | 19:11 |
| topol | spzala will stand down if you want to go fwd with your approach | 19:11 |
| simo | malini_: it's just that I do not see as much commonality with the Key Manger except for th fact some keys are involved | 19:11 |
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| topol | we dont need both | 19:11 |
| topol | dolphm, is yours small enough to backport? | 19:11 |
| bknudson | dolphm's patch essentially says that domains aren't supported in LDAP. | 19:12 |
| spzala | dolphm: yes I am going to test. I tested your patch :) but now I am going to test mine with ignore attribute for domain_id | 19:12 |
| spzala | topol: agreed | 19:12 |
| malini_ | simo: commonality -- please explain | 19:12 |
| simo | malini_: does the fact we have a key manager means *all* crypto must go through it ? | 19:12 |
| malini_ | simo -- I have my own concerns, and they stem for barbican wanting to h ave its | 19:12 |
| dolphm | topol: i think so | 19:13 |
| malini_ | own layer for message passing, high availability etc | 19:13 |
| dolphm | spzala: cool | 19:13 |
| simo | malini_: point is I do not need the kind of key storage the Key Manager is envisioning | 19:13 |
| simo | the needs are different | 19:13 |
| simo | malini_: 'own layer for message passing' ? | 19:13 |
| malini_ | simo: this was one of the reasons I was ready for it to be a simple sub-part of keystone, dolphm did not | 19:13 |
| topol | dolphm, what do you want me to ask the mailing list??? | 19:14 |
| malini_ | want that approach, said it gives more headache when we want to pull it out, after it gets | 19:14 |
| simo | it seem to me separating identity and keys is just going to incrase traffic and decrease security | 19:14 |
| malini_ | full fledged, like nova-networkwork versus quantum | 19:14 |
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| malini_ | simo -- separating identity/keys == PKI keys are definitely part of | 19:15 |
| malini_ | identity | 19:15 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think your patch is superior, but it will break the few people that have already deployed using multiple domains in LDAP. Which means we should check to see if spzala 's appraoch works first | 19:15 |
| malini_ | I agree, in that case they seem more keystone | 19:15 |
| simo | malini_: right | 19:15 |
| simo | but simmetric keys are the same | 19:15 |
| dolphm | topol: (this should be in the release notes for grizzly as well) i was just planning on pinging the list concerning the broken use case, and ask if there were any early adopters on multi-domain support in grizzly | 19:15 |
| simo | I have one 'password' per service | 19:15 |
| malini_ | my original intention for just symmetric keys for object/volume encryption | 19:15 |
| simo | malini_: exactly | 19:15 |
| malini_ | could reside in a sep[arate place and these are many | 19:15 |
| malini_ | typically one per object, volume etc | 19:16 |
| bknudson | spzala: could your approach be changed to always use the virtual default domain rather than check if it exists? | 19:16 |
| simo | whic is a completely different usage, with completely difference performance and storage profile | 19:16 |
| topol | dolphm, multi-domain on ldap, correct? | 19:16 |
| malini_ | simo -- the moment they want to put in pki keys and provisioning them and certificate request | 19:16 |
| simo | malini_: for all intent and purposes most of what I need would share no infrastructure with what you need | 19:16 |
| dolphm | topol: yes | 19:17 |
| malini_ | it gets a lot busy | 19:17 |
| topol | dolphm, K, I'll go throw the grenade | 19:17 |
| malini_ | and there are more background tasks | 19:17 |
| spzala | bknudson: I think then it's the same approach as what dolphm is proposing | 19:17 |
| simo | malini_: the problem I see is splitting identiy management ( dolphm read this ) | 19:17 |
| bknudson | spzala: what I saw in dolphm's is that it doesn't support domains at all. | 19:17 |
| bknudson | only the default domain | 19:17 |
| dolphm | topol: i'd also like to ask for feedback on the proposed solutions, but i'm totally lost on what *else* was proposed today | 19:17 |
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| simo | what I am doing here is basically giving an identity to every service on the message queue | 19:18 |
| simo | something I think people want to manage just like other dientities in keystone | 19:18 |
| dolphm | bknudson: spzala: it supports a single read-only domain | 19:18 |
| topol | dolphm, only games in town are yuour patch and spzala's patch. the rest were some config options | 19:18 |
| bknudson | whereas spzala's approach kept multi-domain support. | 19:18 |
| simo | but maybe I am wrong and people do want split identity management for internal vs external identities | 19:18 |
| spzala | bknudson: agreed with dolphm | 19:19 |
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| spzala | bknudson: yes | 19:19 |
| simo | as these are more infrastructure identities than user facing ones | 19:19 |
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| simo | yet right now keystone handles infrastructure stuff like endpoints | 19:19 |
| topol | you remove domains completely. spzala gets the default domain stuff to work but leaves domains still in there with a poor implementation | 19:19 |
| malini_ | today we save each service identity in keystone, i personally think | 19:19 |
| simo | I guess people are too busy with LDAP stuff | 19:19 |
| malini_ | that service's public key and certificate are all part of that service id and should be accessible in keystone | 19:20 |
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| simo | malini_: that's my view as well | 19:20 |
| simo | but dolphm seem not although I have not understood his rationale | 19:20 |
| malini_ | if anything the key manager could act as a registry of public keys and certificates, like verisign or microsoft to serve them | 19:21 |
| bknudson | why wouldn't the service's public key and certificate be accessible in the service? | 19:21 |
| malini_ | but that would be data duplication | 19:21 |
| simo | bknudson: ? | 19:21 |
| malini_ | for me keystone is also a central repository of all things service/user specific in terms of preference | 19:21 |
| malini_ | such as encryption algorithm preference | 19:21 |
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| topol | dolphm, do I need to ask for feedback on openstack, openstack-dev or both? | 19:22 |
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| malini_ | Simo: when i came in proposing key manager it was to ease key management, then rackspace's solution came in from a silightkly different perspective vision, and JHU-APL comes with it's NSA push for KMIP support | 19:23 |
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| malini_ | for quicker/broader encryption support/security in system just | 19:24 |
| malini_ | saving key-id/key-strings is plenty | 19:24 |
| simo | malini_: key manager is quite different though, it's not as strongly correlatyed with services or users identities | 19:24 |
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| malini_ | with certificates and public keys in keystone | 19:24 |
| malini_ | and certs and public keys do not need additional encryption .. they are transparent/open | 19:25 |
| malini_ | simo: exactly | 19:25 |
| malini_ | simo: not as tightly correlated with services or user-ids | 19:25 |
| simo | malini_: which is why I think key manager can well be a separate server/service/project | 19:25 |
| simo | while I have trouble with pushing key server away from keystone | 19:25 |
| dolphm | topol: just openstack | 19:26 |
| simo | as keystone seem the natural place for that service/information | 19:26 |
| simo | it *could* be a separate service, I am just not sure that we gain anything in maing it separate | 19:26 |
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| simo | dolphm: would please provide some of your reasoning for pushing away ? | 19:27 |
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| dolphm | simo: sorry, i'm not really following your conversation with malini_, what's the context of the question? | 19:28 |
| malini_ | simo: for a load balancing perspective, even if part of keystone, it would make sense to give key manager its own port and | 19:28 |
| malini_ | have it serve up keys etc | 19:28 |
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| malini_ | the life cycle management stuff it does have nothing to do with | 19:28 |
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| simo | dolphm: the point of the conversation is that keystone seem the natural place for a key server for message security as it is basically an identity system for services | 19:29 |
| malini_ | keystone today such as "expiring" keys etc | 19:29 |
| malini_ | but PKI keys pertaining to a service would have everythign to do with | 19:29 |
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| simo | dolphm: you said -> barbican, but the problem space the ksy server address has not much overlap with barbican | 19:29 |
| malini_ | identity and keystone, and its lifecycle, re-issue etc would be | 19:29 |
| simo | and has a ton of ties with what keystone does | 19:29 |
| malini_ | keystone relevant .. | 19:29 |
| malini_ | may be it is just philosophical | 19:30 |
| ayoung | simo, lets get it writtend as a contrib piece so people can try it out | 19:30 |
| ayoung | it may not land in keystone, but I think it is not a bad place for a proof of concept | 19:30 |
| simo | ayoung: I need buy in from dolphm, I do not want to spend weeks and have it turned down as a matter of principle | 19:31 |
| simo | also there is the problem of oslo-incubator pieces I need to drag in | 19:31 |
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| termie | simo: then code it faster ;) | 19:31 |
| simo | termie: half ready already | 19:31 |
| termie | simo: see, there you go | 19:31 |
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| simo | termie: but would like to know it has a chance of getting in before I do more | 19:31 |
| ayoung | simo, I am not sure that it needs to be in Keystone. Ideally, we should be able to split off different services from each other. | 19:31 |
| malini_ | barbican code does pull in oslo common stuff for logging etc | 19:31 |
| jgriffith | russellb: ping | 19:32 |
| simo | malini_: I have additions to solo-incubator | 19:32 |
| dolphm | malini_: it's really difficult to follow your messages when they're broken in the middle of sentences | 19:32 |
| simo | malini_: 3 patchges that add crypto primitives | 19:32 |
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| malini_ | sorry dolphm. my bad, i hit return on chat client when line full. will resist the urge | 19:32 |
| dolphm | malini_: thanks :) | 19:33 |
| malini_ | simo, your crypto stuff in oslo would be perfect. i see crypto being used in all the service, so it belong s there. | 19:33 |
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| simo | malini_: my client can split lines on its own, please do resist, I was quite confused too :) | 19:33 |
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| simo | malini_: my crypto stuff *must* be in oslo because that's where messaging happens | 19:34 |
| dolphm | malini_: oslo or in a client project? | 19:34 |
| simo | I just want to reuse common code which is why I would drag new version of solo-incubator in keystone | 19:34 |
| ayoung | dolphm, in the messaging layer | 19:34 |
| russellb | jgriffith: pong | 19:34 |
| malini_ | keep it in oslo, exactly like simo says. both servers and clients can use form oslo | 19:34 |
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| simo | dolphm: from openstakck.common import xyz | 19:34 |
| jgriffith | russellb: not sure if there's already discussions around this.... | 19:35 |
| jgriffith | russellb: I spoke with Laura G about the encryption work | 19:35 |
| jgriffith | russellb: I've recommended that live in Cinder | 19:35 |
| ayoung | malini_, oslo incubator is not a libary, so we have to merge code down from it in order to be able to use it. Sub optimal | 19:35 |
| jgriffith | russellb: wanted to make sure you didn't have some objection/plan there? | 19:35 |
| simo | dolphm: it seem the version of oslo-incubator in keystone is quite old ? All the rpc stuff seem to be missing | 19:35 |
| simo | are was the rpc stuff omitted on purpose ? | 19:35 |
| dolphm | simo: we don't use rpc in keystone, so it's not in keystone | 19:36 |
| simo | I do not need the rpc stuff I split crypto into openstack.common.cryptoutils in my last patchset | 19:36 |
| jgriffith | russellb: this seems to solve some issues regarding native encryption support, compression etc | 19:36 |
| malini_ | would be nice to have a library of all things useful (logging, crypto, config), i knowe it is sub-optimal today but would it stay that way? | 19:36 |
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| russellb | jgriffith: i don't feel that strongly about it | 19:36 |
| jgriffith | russellb: we'd basicly expose an "encrypted" voluem type | 19:36 |
| simo | malini_: that's oslo-incubator | 19:36 |
| jgriffith | russellb: ok | 19:36 |
| simo | malini_: the only 'problem; is that we import snapshots into each other project code | 19:36 |
| russellb | jgriffith: decryption happen in cinder? | 19:37 |
| malini_ | simo :-) got it now | 19:37 |
| malini_ | i know, would be nice if we could have version number like we do for python-keystoneclient | 19:37 |
| simo | dolphm: so assuming I can import that single file once it hits oslo-incubator, how do I convince you that the key server belongs to keystone code base ? :) | 19:37 |
| jgriffith | russellb: yeah | 19:37 |
| russellb | jgriffith: so basically not really visibly outside at all, other than an attribute saying it's encrypted on the backend? | 19:37 |
| russellb | ok. | 19:37 |
| jgriffith | russellb: exactly | 19:37 |
| jgriffith | russellb: and key management via some plugin model external | 19:38 |
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| simo | dolphm: or should I ask aylum to russellb and incubate in nova? :-P | 19:38 |
| simo | *asylum | 19:38 |
| malini_ | ayoung/dolph, I have a dummy 101 keystone question | 19:38 |
| jgriffith | russellb: it seems *safest* to me | 19:38 |
| ayoung | malini_, fire away | 19:38 |
| russellb | jgriffith: probably worth a ML post to clarify intended direction for anyone interested | 19:38 |
| simo | it does benefit nova more than keystone at least initially ... | 19:38 |
| jgriffith | russellb: indeed, but wanted to synch with you first | 19:38 |
| russellb | sure that's fine with me, i'm mostly deferring to others on this one | 19:39 |
| jgriffith | russellb: yeah, I was hoping to do the same actually :) | 19:39 |
| russellb | jgriffith: thanks for working with them to get this done | 19:39 |
| dolphm | simo: i'm completely missing how your use case is not served by barbican's goals; a blueprint filed against either keystone or barbican that the barbican community can look at would be helpful | 19:39 |
| jgriffith | russellb: sure, I'll synch back up with them and get something on the ML | 19:39 |
| jgriffith | russellb: thanks | 19:39 |
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| simo | dolphm: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MessageSecurity | 19:39 |
| simo | dolphm: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/trusted-messaging | 19:39 |
| simo | dolphm: the need arises from rpc messaging | 19:40 |
| russellb | dolphm: totally jumping in out of nowhere on this, but we need this ASAP for messaging security | 19:40 |
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| simo | dolphm: and as I said it has little or nothing to do with what barbican is about | 19:40 |
| russellb | i really don't want to have to wait for another project if we can avoid that | 19:40 |
| simo | russellb: I can put the server in nova if you are ok with it | 19:40 |
| simo | I *think* keystone is a more natural place | 19:40 |
| russellb | well if we do it in nova, it doesn't need to be in the REST API at all | 19:40 |
| dolphm | simo: this is not a blueprint for a key server | 19:41 |
| simo | but nova would be better than barbican I think | 19:41 |
| simo | dolphm: because the key server is just an extension of having to manage a few keys and hading out a couple of tickets | 19:41 |
| malini_ | i have barbican with a paste-ini for keystone client integration, which gives auth_host = localhost | 19:41 |
| malini_ | #auth_port = 5000 | 19:41 |
| malini_ | auth_port = 35357 | 19:41 |
| malini_ | auth_protocol = http | 19:41 |
| malini_ | admin_tenant_name = service | 19:41 |
| malini_ | admin_user = barbican | 19:41 |
| malini_ | admin_password = orange | 19:41 |
| ayoung | russellb, Nova already has the pattern of spinning up new servers, and then splitting them off into separate projects. | 19:41 |
| malini_ | auth_version = v2.0 and things work cutely from python command line http request if I pass in header {'X-Auth-Token: 'foo'} if foo happens to belong to the barbican service user. is that how it has to work, is it not more likely that we shall come here with in the course of normal use with a user auth-token? | 19:41 |
| simo | dolphm: actually I should say key distribution service | 19:41 |
| dolphm | simo: please file a blueprint | 19:42 |
| ayoung | If we wait for full incubation for something minor like this, it means we either have to shoehorn something in where it doesn;t fit or punt | 19:42 |
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| ayoung | I could see the argument that policy and tokens could be a separate backend from the user configuration service. If we did top-down discovery of services we wouldn't have to bundle them all together under keystone. | 19:45 |
| ayoung | So simo 's issue is kindof clarifying the issue for us | 19:45 |
| dolphm | ayoung: they are seperate backends | 19:45 |
| ayoung | dolphm, right | 19:45 |
| ayoung | dolphm, and yet we assume they are on one server | 19:45 |
| dolphm | ayoung: not really..? | 19:45 |
| ayoung | dolphm, but there is no need for them to be on one server | 19:46 |
| simo | dolphm: the idea was that kds would be one of those backends | 19:46 |
| simo | dolphm: what do you need to see in a new blueprint ? | 19:46 |
| ayoung | simo, Yep. as I said, we do it as a "contrib" thing first, and show that it can be used, and the figure out the deployment approach. | 19:46 |
| dolphm | simo: the use case you're trying to solve | 19:46 |
| simo | dolphm: providing services with an 'identity' in form of a shared secret and a ticketing service | 19:47 |
| simo | so they can use this identity to securely communicate over RPC | 19:47 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think this points to the need for the enumeration of the extensions, I think that bug has been open for a while | 19:47 |
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| ayoung | hmmm, must just be a comment in the code | 19:48 |
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| malini_ | simo: trying to understand, 2 services, with their respective Public-private key pair negotiate a shared secret, some protocol like TLS, and save their shared key for further secure communications. is this as safe but lighter weight than TLS. Yes, the shared secret needs to be saved, indexed by the service-endpoint pair. how long lived? i can see this being separate from a key manager's keys, longer lived | 19:53 |
| simo | dolphm: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/key-distribution-server | 19:56 |
| malini_ | falling off for an hour. ayoung/dolphm, when you get a chance please answer my 101 question | 19:56 |
| simo | dolphm: I can proceed to split the MessageSecurity document so that the Key Server parts are in another document if you want | 19:56 |
| malini_ | thanks simo, will check out blueprint | 19:56 |
| simo | but keeping all i one doc for now would be easier for me | 19:56 |
| dolphm | simo: sure | 19:57 |
| simo | malini_: I am not sure what public/private key thing is about, you need a CA/PKI infrastructure to use public-key crypto | 19:57 |
| dolphm | simo: a document limited in scope to how you plan on approaching the problem with regard to keystone would be beneficial | 19:57 |
| simo | dolphm: I will ask ayoung to help with that :-) | 19:57 |
| simo | ayoung: ^^ | 19:58 |
| dolphm | simo: i don't see anything in that document regarding how you plan on approaching the problem with regard to keystone | 19:58 |
| ekarlso | what's the whole discussion on now ? | 19:59 |
| ayoung | malini_, I don't understand the question | 20:00 |
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| ayoung | simo, file a keystone blueprint that points to the unified doc | 20:00 |
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| ayoung | then , in the unified doc, specify which is to be implemented in keystone, and where the other pieces reside | 20:01 |
| simo | ayoung: I mentioned the doc there already | 20:02 |
| ayoung | simo, I'll file... | 20:02 |
| simo | ayoung: I will build a separate doc specific to keystone that references the current document | 20:02 |
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| ayoung | simo, no need, just ablueprint entry here... | 20:02 |
| simo | ? | 20:02 |
| ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone | 20:02 |
| simo | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/key-distribution-server | 20:03 |
| ayoung | simo, and set the specification url to be your existing doc | 20:03 |
| * simo slaps ayuong, pay attention! :-P | 20:03 | |
| ayoung | Ah, right..I meant that the peices that are not underkeystone should also point to the same spec... | 20:03 |
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| * ayoung just did a quick search and missed, osorry | 20:03 | |
| simo | ayoung: can't set it as the specification url because that doc has already been set as an oslo specification doc | 20:03 |
| ayoung | ugh! | 20:04 |
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| ayoung | simo, what a PITA | 20:04 |
| simo | and blueprints apparently do not mind their business and complain if you try to add the same thing to 2 blue prints | 20:04 |
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| ayoung | simo, hadn't tripped over that particular nastiness before. | 20:05 |
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| simo | ayoung: creating a new doc | 20:05 |
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| ayoung | simo, nah | 20:05 |
| simo | I'll have a minimal draft now | 20:05 |
| simo | and fill it up this week on conf calls instead of napping :-) | 20:06 |
| ayoung | OK, I'll leave it to you,. this is more of a paperwork drill than is called for | 20:06 |
| termie | simo: try adding a #foo to the end of it? | 20:06 |
| simo | ayoung: dolphm asked for it, and it make sense to have at least some basic stuff | 20:06 |
| simo | termie: ah wait | 20:06 |
| simo | I guess I could try to link to a subsection ... | 20:06 |
| ayoung | simo, yeah, and you can have one blueprint point to another one, too | 20:06 |
| ayoung | termie, ftw! | 20:06 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: it's hard to provide feedback on a design when there's neither relevant documentation or a relevant implementation to review; i'm fine with whichever is easier | 20:07 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I think we have a solution, but the blueprint was written and speced, just problematic in that it spanned multiple services | 20:08 |
| simo | termie: meh the system is stupid as you suspected :) | 20:08 |
| simo | dolphm: I linked the doc | 20:08 |
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| simo | now will build a subsection of it that is keystone specific as soon as I have time, ok ? | 20:08 |
| ayoung | simo, you should link the blueprints, too. See the "add dependncy" link at the bottom of the blueprint page | 20:09 |
| dolphm | simo: ping the -dev list when you're ready | 20:09 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MessageSecurity#Shared_Keys_and_Key_Server_Proposal | 20:10 |
| ayoung | but that is a bit light | 20:10 |
| ayoung | simo, didn't you have sketched out the new APIs? | 20:10 |
| malini_ | ayoung, will try explaining better. barbican (key manager) will be a service that gets called for a key. when that call comes in a user token that authenticates the user will come in. by weaving in keystone client middleware the X-Auth-Token will be authenticated and cached -- right? so to test that I had the keystone auth middleware correct, I pretended to be an itermediate service making a url request to barbican, wit the X-Auth_Token set. It all | 20:10 |
| malini_ | passed auth if token was for barbican service user, but not for a token for a random user | 20:10 |
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| ayoung | malini_, possibly an RBAC thing | 20:11 |
| simo | ayoung: they are in the doc below | 20:11 |
| simo | ayoung: it's basically just 1 call for starters | 20:11 |
| simo | plus 1 another for group services at a later phase | 20:11 |
| ayoung | simo, ah, It looked like just the subsection was keystone, yeah....that looks better. Probably should change the heading to be clear that from there until the "phases" part is all the keystone blueprint, but I think that content will work | 20:12 |
| simo | ayoung: yeah need to reorganize it a little | 20:13 |
| malini_ | ayoung, cool, so my understanding of how it should work is correct. RBAC -- please elaborate, may be some policy stuff, I did not touch that. | 20:13 |
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| simo | ayoung: I will actually add a section 7 expliclty about an implementation in KeyStone ano move the RESTful API section there | 20:13 |
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| ayoung | malini_, Role based access control is managed by the policy.json file. | 20:14 |
| ayoung | malini_, look at the one in the keystone/etc dir for an example | 20:14 |
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| malini_ | ayoung, much thanks! | 20:14 |
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| jog0 | ayoung: ping | 21:07 |
| jog0 | I am looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/23970 and not sure how to add a role to a user in the unit tests | 21:07 |
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| jog0 | never mind, just got it working | 21:10 |
| sdague | mordred: any chance you can re-rev this on master? - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28220/ | 21:11 |
| sdague | the sooner we can extend flake8 in project trees, the better | 21:11 |
| mordred | sdague: yeah. I'm working on new version - I discovered things about internals you would probably rather not know | 21:11 |
| sdague | heh, no worries :) | 21:12 |
| sdague | also, if you need more reviewers on hacking, let me know. I did a bunch of the custom rules in nova and tempest with jog0 | 21:12 |
| markmc | mordred, actually, on that - are you still thinking of pbr and hacking coming under the oslo program ? | 21:12 |
| markmc | mordred, that way we could add oslo-core as reviewers | 21:13 |
| mordred | markmc: YES PLEASE | 21:13 |
| mordred | markmc: I could REALLY use more eyes and stuff | 21:13 |
| markmc | mordred, let's do it! :) | 21:13 |
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| markmc | mordred, seen this btw? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27379/1/MAINTAINERS | 21:13 |
| sdague | markmc: I think fungi said oslo-core is areadly +2 on hacking yesterday | 21:13 |
| markmc | mordred, you'd be the specialist maintainer, oslo-core the generalist reviewers | 21:13 |
| markmc | sdague, ah, cool | 21:13 |
| markmc | mordred, well, the specialist maintainer stuff is more about oslo-incubator, but you get the idea | 21:14 |
| mordred | markmc: oh- that's great! | 21:15 |
| ayoung | jog0 you want to add the role to the user for a project or a domain. There are examples in the other files, as well as how the keystone/tests.py loads the fixtures | 21:15 |
| ayoung | jog0, that does self.identity_api.add_user_to_project(tenant_id, user['id']) | 21:15 |
| ayoung | probably not what you want | 21:16 |
| ayoung | jog0, you there still? | 21:16 |
| ayoung | ah, see you got it working, cool | 21:16 |
| mordred | sdague: you're hired as a hacking-core! | 21:16 |
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| mordred | unless jog0 has objections... | 21:17 |
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| jog0 | mordred: ++ to sdague | 21:18 |
| jog0 | ayoung: I just got it working, posting the patch shortly | 21:19 |
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| mordred | done | 21:19 |
| jog0 | ayoung: its a little strange that the roles aren't assigned in the default fixtures but got around that one | 21:19 |
| jog0 | sdague: welcome to hacking-core | 21:19 |
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| devananda | dhellmann-away: around? | 21:24 |
| sdague | mordred / jog0 danke | 21:25 |
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| simo | markmc: with the new patch I added git review fails to update the current review | 21:32 |
| simo | should I just kill the current review and start a new one ? | 21:32 |
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| simo | or is there a way to add a new patch in the patchset and let git review like it ? | 21:33 |
| simo | the patch has been added *before* the patches I already had pushed | 21:33 |
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| simo | oh nvm, master has changed | 21:34 |
| spzala | ayoung: Hi Adam. I have updated the patch for default domain - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27364/9 please take a look when you get chance. | 21:35 |
| ayoung | spzala, looking | 21:35 |
| spzala | ayoung: oh :) thanks! | 21:35 |
| ayoung | spzala, di you test that it works if there is no domain attribute? | 21:36 |
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| spzala | ayoung: I did earlier.. but not with this patch :( but let me quickly do it. | 21:36 |
| ayoung | spzala, that is the important thing. I already know roughly what this patch is doing, and am OK with it, but I would like to know that we are actually going t o be able to support existing LDAP deploys. | 21:37 |
| spzala | ayoung: so I will be removing domain_id from this and test - that good approach? for example, | 21:37 |
| spzala | ayoung: group = {'id': uuid.uuid4().hex, 'domain_id': uuid.uuid4().hex, | 21:37 |
| spzala | 'name': uuid.uuid4().hex, 'description': uuid.uuid4().hex} | 21:38 |
| spzala | ayoung: yes, agree. | 21:38 |
| ayoung | you need to test against a live server, and configure the ignore attributes for domain_id for all of the entities | 21:38 |
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| ayoung | spzala, I think it doesn't matter if domain is specified on the command line or in the data that gets posted. If that is what the V3 api calls for, we can handle it. | 21:41 |
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| spzala | ayoung: I think that's how I tested it. I updated my backend_liveldap.conf with domain_attribute_ignore = user_domain_id_attribute, group_domain_id_attribute,tenant_domain_id_attribute | 21:43 |
| spzala | ayoung: then run ldap_livetest | 21:44 |
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| spzala | ayoung: and I just tested without "domain_id" in the user and group crud tests.. which went well. | 21:45 |
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| spzala | ayoung: hope my testing makes sense. | 21:55 |
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| ayoung | spzala, domain_attribute_ignore = user_domain_id_attribute, group_domain_id_attribute,tenant_domain_id_attribute ? | 21:59 |
| ayoung | it should be | 21:59 |
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| reed | russellb, regarding the Hong Kong design summit... | 21:59 |
| ayoung | spzala, hte attribute_ignore is set on the individual objects, so, no. | 22:00 |
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| russellb | reed: remote participation seems like it may be worth revisiting | 22:01 |
| reed | russellb, do you have hard numbers/evidence of devs not able to go? | 22:01 |
| ayoung | spzala, so, for example user has DEFAULT_ATTRIBUTE_IGNORE = ['tenant_id', 'tenants'] | 22:01 |
| ayoung | we'd want to keep those, and add domain_id to them | 22:01 |
| spzala | ayoung: ignore within user, project, like user_attribute_ignore=tenant_id,tenants,domain_id | 22:01 |
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| reed | russellb, re: remote participation, yes, it's time to start talking about it and test solutions | 22:01 |
| ayoung | spzala, yes | 22:01 |
| reed | russellb, is that a conversation to have on TC or -dev list? | 22:01 |
| ayoung | spzala, I think you might have had a false success in your earlier test | 22:02 |
| russellb | reed: -dev list i think | 22:02 |
| spzala | ayoung: ah.. OK. Thanks, good point. | 22:02 |
| ayoung | spzala, in the LDAP backend, is there something populated in the businessCategory attribute? | 22:02 |
| spzala | ayoung: let me retest now | 22:02 |
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| spzala | ayoung: populated in the server? sorry, didn't get it. | 22:03 |
| ayoung | spzala, if you do an ldapsearch, does a value get returned? | 22:04 |
| spzala | ayoung: yes | 22:04 |
| spzala | ayoung: like "sudo ldapsearch -x -LLL -H ldap:/// -b dc=openstack,dc=org dn" | 22:05 |
| spzala | ayoung: any particular search ? | 22:05 |
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| ayoung | spzala, ok, so I think that you would want to do user add or project add from the cli and see what ends up in the dirsrv | 22:08 |
| spzala | ayoung: OK, sure. | 22:09 |
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| spzala | ayoung: sorry but we don't have any cli option to user add to domain right? | 22:12 |
| spzala | ayoung: I think you are saying to add user to domain? | 22:12 |
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| ayoung | spzala, actually, you will have to use curl, as it is V3 API | 22:14 |
| ayoung | user *or* project | 22:14 |
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| ayoung | spzala, gotta go, I'll check in later | 22:15 |
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| spzala | ayoung: OK, thanks a lot! have a nice evening. | 22:16 |
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| clarkb | keystone folks: I have rebased mordred's testr change for python-keystoneclient https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18637/ | 22:53 |
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| shardy | was wondering if you have folks planning to look at that, or if I should plan to look into it myself? | 22:59 |
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| ayoung | feel free to look in to it | 23:34 |
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