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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/quantum: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/27662 | 00:42 |
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| katylava | as far as I can tell, novaclient doesn't provide a way to get a list of fixed IPs, is this correct? | 00:57 |
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| enikanorov_ | salv-orlando: hi | 09:45 |
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| salv-orlando | enikanorov_: hi | 09:46 |
| enikanorov_ | before you remove run_tests.sh and stuff | 09:46 |
| enikanorov_ | could you tell, how to run particular tests with tox? | 09:46 |
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| salv-orlando | like a particular test case | 09:47 |
| enikanorov_ | and also, coverage and pep8 | 09:47 |
| salv-orlando | tox -e{py26|py27} quantum.tests.unit.<module>:<testcase> for pep8 tox -epep8 | 09:48 |
| salv-orlando | I will update the README in the patch | 09:48 |
| salv-orlando | sorry I mean TESTING | 09:49 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, thanks! | 09:49 |
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| lifeless | garyk: hi, around ? | 10:03 |
| garyk | lifeless: yes. whats up? | 10:03 |
| lifeless | I'd like to chat about bug 1174132 / the dhcp HA stuff from the summit | 10:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1174132 in tripleo "Only one instance of a DHCP agent is run per network" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174132 | 10:04 |
| lifeless | assuming you're the same garyk :) | 10:04 |
| garyk | :) yes. i am the one | 10:04 |
| garyk | i assume that you saw my comments on the bug. | 10:05 |
| garyk | i am not sure if what is written is enough for you or you would like it to be done auto magically | 10:05 |
| lifeless | so, does manually overriding the scheduler persist. That is, if the node gets shot in the head and is dead, and we spin up another quantum network node, will quantum use it as extra capacity to run extra agents? | 10:05 |
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| lifeless | I want to be able to set the policy, and have quantum maintain it. | 10:06 |
| lifeless | If we write heat logic and other glue to maintain it; it seems like we're just reimplementing quantum internals elsewhere. | 10:06 |
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| lifeless | But I don't know enough of Quantum to tell if that would be the case. | 10:06 |
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| garyk | it should be persistent. | 10:07 |
| garyk | as long as the database is not destroyed and is HA | 10:07 |
| lifeless | It *looks* as though the link is to a specific dhcp agent instance ? | 10:07 |
| garyk | the dhcp agent when it starts asks the quantum service for the relevant information. if configured then it should be updated. | 10:07 |
| garyk | sorry, i do not understand you comment/question | 10:08 |
| lifeless | If a dhcp agent dies (e.g. hard disk failure), and we deploy a new agent on a new machine. | 10:08 |
| salv-orlando | Sorry for interrupting - lifeless probably refers to the capability of assigning multiple agents to a network for failover? | 10:09 |
| garyk | if you configure that the network should be treated by the agent, then it will. | 10:09 |
| lifeless | garyk: so we'd need to manually add that new agent to every network in the infrastructure? | 10:09 |
| garyk | at the moment only one agent is selected automatically. additional ones can be configured. | 10:10 |
| lifeless | garyk: right, I get that :) | 10:10 |
| garyk | yes. that is what will need to be done with the existing code. | 10:10 |
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| lifeless | garyk: so, per https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaBareMetalVLAN - AIUI there were two things to do. | 10:10 |
| lifeless | garyk: one was to allow setting a policy, so that we don't need to have a cronjob looking for networks with only one agent. | 10:11 |
| garyk | if the scheduler detects that a agnet is down, then i guess that we can automatically select another agent. | 10:11 |
| lifeless | garyk: second was to teach quantum how to deal with failed agents. | 10:11 |
| lifeless | garyk: ok, so I think I understand where its at. Why isn't this a bug? | 10:12 |
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| lifeless | garyk: [Opinion is a 'this is not a bug' status] | 10:12 |
| asalkeld | eglynn, you about? | 10:12 |
| garyk | lifeless: i did not say it was not a bug, just wanted to know if the work around proposed was relevant. my understanding is that it should be automated. | 10:12 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: hey | 10:12 |
| lifeless | garyk: ' | 10:13 |
| lifeless | status: New → Opinion ' <- your update marked it as not a bug | 10:13 |
| lifeless | garyk: I agree, you didn't make that claim here. | 10:13 |
| lifeless | garyk: I will reopen it. Thanks for the time spend discussing it! | 10:13 |
| garyk | lifeless: my bad. i was wondering how one can get a clarification. i will move the bug to triaged | 10:13 |
| lifeless | garyk: ah! 'Incomplete' is the status for that. | 10:13 |
| garyk | lifeless: thanks. | 10:14 |
| lifeless | garyk: do you want a separate bug for the 'react to a failed/down node by rescheduling' aspect ? | 10:14 |
| garyk | lifeless: if there was a notification that a DHCP agent was down would that suffice or would you want quantum to select another agent | 10:14 |
| lifeless | garyk: I think they are two orthogonal things | 10:15 |
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| lifeless | garyk: Ideally Quantum should reschedule things, such that there are always 2 instances running | 10:15 |
| lifeless | garyk: We can work towards that; doing the policy for that in another place would be doable, if thats your preference. | 10:16 |
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| lifeless | garyk: but since we have to write code either way, I'd rather make Quantum DTRT than something else orchestrate it. | 10:16 |
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| garyk | lifeless: nothing is written in stone. it would be valuable if quantum did it automatically | 10:16 |
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| lifeless | I agree! :) | 10:17 |
| garyk | lifeless: i'll take a look and see if i can get something together. | 10:17 |
| lifeless | Don is pretty much up to speed on Quantum now, AIUI, so likely to start digging into these bits once the PXE support code is in trunk. | 10:17 |
| lifeless | But if you want to tackle this yourself that would be excellent too! | 10:17 |
| garyk | lifeless: i cannot guarantee anything at the moment. but i'll take a look. | 10:18 |
| lifeless | garyk: cool, thanks!. Did you want a separate bug for 'reschedule agents when one goes away/down for extended time' ? | 10:19 |
| lifeless | garyk: I'm happy to write one up if you'd like that. | 10:19 |
| garyk | lifeless: not sure. i think that the bug you opened should suffice. no? | 10:20 |
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| lifeless | garyk: works for me; seems likely that there will be multiple branches; some folk get obsessed with one-branch one-bug | 10:20 |
| lifeless | garyk: Thanks for the time; I need to go give my daughter medicine, then off to sleep! | 10:21 |
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| garyk | lifeless: if that is the case then i suggest that you maybe open another bug. | 10:21 |
| garyk | so just to be sure we have 2 issues: | 10:21 |
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| garyk | 1. to be enable to have more than one DHCP agent selected when a network is created | 10:22 |
| garyk | 2. if an agent is down to ensure that another agent "takes" over. i.e. at least 2 are up | 10:22 |
| lifeless | Ack, that's my understanding. Once 1) is solved we won't face user visible downtime for simple maintenance tasks. | 10:22 |
| lifeless | But we need 2) for admin sanity | 10:23 |
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| lifeless | I will file a new bug for (2) my tomorrow morning | 10:23 |
| garyk | lifeless: ok. | 10:23 |
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| ameade | heh | 14:16 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, Why is Jenkins doing a "do not merge" on this as opposed to a -1 type thing that can be rechecked? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24665/ | 17:17 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: I don't see any do not merge on that review... | 17:18 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, it gest as -2 and a big red X... | 17:18 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, and I assume that is why my 'reverify' did not work | 17:18 |
| clarkb | if you fail in the gate queue jenkins sets a -2 | 17:18 |
| clarkb | a reverify will reset that vote and jenkins will run the tests in the gate queue again | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: are you sure that is the review you are talking about? I don't see any big red X. | 17:19 |
| clarkb | jaypipes: I think zuul/jenkins got rid of the -2 with the most recent reverify | 17:20 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, heh...it disappeared since I started whinging | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: :) | 17:20 |
| ayoung | clarkb, do I need to say "reverify no bug" now? | 17:20 |
| clarkb | ayoung: I think the issue with your reverify is that we now require a bug number or an assertion that no bug is causing the reverify | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: BTW, that patch on transaction atomicity, I should have an update for that tomorrow. sorry, haven't had a chance to look into that since Friday. | 17:20 |
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| clarkb | ayoung: yes | 17:20 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, no rush. | 17:21 |
| ayoung | clarkb, thanks. | 17:21 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, you still awake? | 18:15 |
| henrynash | ayoung: yes, indeed! | 18:16 |
| ayoung | henrynash, so I looked over your Google doc. I suspect you have been having talks with dchadwick? Sounds like his line of thinking as well. | 18:16 |
| ayoung | We are, I think, on the way to the first split: authN versus authZ | 18:17 |
| henrynash | ayoung: i didn't talk to Dave (other than a brief chat to him at the summit)…it just seemed to logically fit into place | 18:17 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: yes, I agree…we already have that partially done - as you have said, support to REMOTE properly would help that | 18:17 |
| ayoung | henrynash, ah, OK...stil, I think we are headed in the right direction. So the problem with our current AuthN plugability is that only 'methods' that are explicitly enumerated get executed | 18:18 |
| ayoung | henrynash, and that means the REMOTE_USER has no trigger | 18:18 |
| ayoung | henrynash, I'll link | 18:18 |
| ayoung | henrynash, https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/auth/controllers.py#L349 | 18:19 |
| ayoung | I tried to split it out, but we need a different abstraction. We need a pipeline that is always executed, but a link can opt out | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | that will support two things | 18:20 |
| ayoung | 1, making REMOTE_USER a pipeline component like it should be and 2, providing us a place to stick the lazy load | 18:20 |
| ayoung | henrynash, make sense? | 18:20 |
| henrynash | ayoung: you mentioned this at the summit…so why isn't it: | 18:21 |
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| henrynash | 1) If the REMOTE user is set then we know this is the authn plug in to use, or | 18:21 |
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| henrynash | 2) We have a an ldap authn plugin that be a standard method | 18:22 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, you may recall, I was against pluggable auth happening in Keystone because I wanted to use HTTPD. in HTTPD, it has just that | 18:23 |
| henrynash | …hmm, maybe that's the problem. that isn't a method it a diffent level that still does username/passowrd (just to LDAp rather than our internal user DB) | 18:23 |
| henrynash | hmm | 18:23 |
| ayoung | yep | 18:23 |
| ayoung | henrynash, mod_authn versus mod_authz | 18:23 |
| henrynash | hmm….ok, nowI get the problem. let me mull on that | 18:23 |
| ayoung | henrynash, I also think that the domain boundary is where we would split which auth method to use | 18:23 |
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| ayoung | and domain can be passed in one of two ways | 18:23 |
| henrynash | ayoung: agreed | 18:24 |
| ayoung | 1, as part of an auth request | 18:24 |
| ayoung | 2 based on the suburl | 18:24 |
| henrynash | ayoung: agree on both counts | 18:24 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: so i you want to use apache to do authn ahead in the pipeline you still have the domain | 18:24 |
| ayoung | yep | 18:25 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I should add that to the doc | 18:25 |
| ayoung | please do | 18:25 |
| ayoung | henrynash, so https://etherpad.openstack.org/chain-of-domains was an attempt to a first hack at breaking things on a per domain basis | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | Maybe I specified too much with the "default domain" but I was trying to cover what we were discussing the realm of LDAP, without doing an LDAP specific solution. | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | So the auth method could be specified per domain. | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | authn method | 18:27 |
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| henrynash | ahh, was looking for that link….wanted to refer to it, since I haven't really fleshed out how we allow a domain to have its own keystone | 18:27 |
| ayoung | henrynash, so that link doesn't answer it directly... | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | I just referred to 'external' with out drilling down into the details | 18:28 |
| henrynash | (but its was part of you distributed signing proposal) | 18:28 |
| henrynash | afk for a bit..back in a while | 18:29 |
| ayoung | henrynash, OK. I'm going to work on that doc a bit. | 18:29 |
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| jk0 | dtroyer: what's the URL to the osc etherpad? | 18:33 |
| topol | dtroyer, you marked https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173218 as invalid but did not give an explanation | 18:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1173218 in devstack "devstack rabbit fails on ubuntu 12.04 -- eaddr in use" [Undecided,Invalid] | 18:35 |
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| topol | ayoung, would chain of domains be expected to handle the following use case? I have two different openstacks running in two different regions. I want each to have their own keystone to avoid a single point of failure. As a user that has access to both OpenStack regions, I don't want to have to worry about managing tokens for both regions separately. Instead I have a token that works in... | 18:42 |
| topol | ...both OpenStack regions... | 18:42 |
| bknudson | ayoung: can you explain how remote auth (through Apache httpd for example) can work? I tried setting it up once and couldn't figure it out. | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, let me answer topol's question and then I will walk you through it | 18:42 |
| bknudson | no problem. | 18:42 |
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| topol | yay. priority!!! | 18:42 |
| ayoung | topol, in your scenario, is it a single unified user list? | 18:42 |
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| topol | yeah, the idea that brad in region 1 is the same as brad in region 2 | 18:43 |
| ayoung | topol, ok, then you need to syncronize that list no matter what. | 18:43 |
| topol | I agree, federated LDAP, whatever | 18:43 |
| ayoung | topol, I would say that, in that case, it is a single domain, and the chain-of-domains would not be needed, but the multiple keystones could be used | 18:43 |
| ayoung | topol, let me address that first | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | say you have two keystones, each with their own signing cert | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | for tokens | 18:44 |
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| topol | yes, I looked at cms.py this wekeend | 18:44 |
| ayoung | when you validate a token, you need to fetch the right signing cert. Currently, we have no way to distinguish which cert is for which keystone | 18:44 |
| ayoung | topol, which means they need to share private keys, which sucks | 18:45 |
| topol | ayoung, agreed | 18:45 |
| ayoung | to use an industry standard term | 18:45 |
| ayoung | So...either we say "go back to the keystone that issued you the token" | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | or we provide a way for a user to talk to the "right" keystone for a given region | 18:45 |
| topol | define, right. maybe my dev and test are in one region and production in another | 18:46 |
| ayoung | topol, so, by 'right' I mean I alwayes end up getting a token from the Keystone server local to the region of the services.... | 18:47 |
| ayoung | I think that , if they are sharing a back end, saying you go to a different Keystone actually makes sense | 18:47 |
| topol | but I still have to manage and use the right token at the right place | 18:47 |
| ayoung | topol, yea..so lets try to think behond that for a moment....hmmm | 18:47 |
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| topol | stump the band... | 18:48 |
| ayoung | each keystone can have multiple signing certs | 18:48 |
| ayoung | and so, while it might only sign with one | 18:48 |
| ayoung | it can return the whole kit and caboodle when they are requested. | 18:48 |
| ayoung | a dumb solution then | 18:48 |
| ayoung | would be brute force: | 18:48 |
| ayoung | try each cert in turn before rejecting | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | a better one would be to have the signing cert somehow indicated in the message | 18:49 |
| topol | ok, but it sounds like that was not the use case for your chain of domains :-( | 18:49 |
| ayoung | topol, true...but I was talking about something like this for a different PKI based use case | 18:49 |
| ayoung | topol, in parallel I am working on this | 18:50 |
| ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/x509-tied-to-token | 18:50 |
| ayoung | topol, in that case, we will probably use the credential API to store the certs, but we have the same problem: how to select amongst multipe of the same typwe | 18:51 |
| ayoung | type | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | so in the 'chain-of-domains' we would probably indicate the set of acceptable signing certs | 18:52 |
| ayoung | then, in the token, indicate which cert signed it. The signing cert has to be one of those assigned to a given domain. | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | I should say "assigned to the matching domain" | 18:52 |
| topol | Ok, I get it. Looking at cms.py really helped. Its all sign and verify :-) | 18:53 |
| ayoung | si, senior | 18:53 |
| topol | but Im back to square 1 on chain of domains :-( What is this used for and by whom??? | 18:53 |
| topol | I *tried* to find what I thought would be a use case. Looks like a fail on my side | 18:54 |
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| dtroyer | jk0: https://etherpad.openstack.org/openstackclient-map | 18:56 |
| jk0 | thnx | 18:56 |
| dtroyer | topol: is it repeatable? you told me that clean.sh took care of the issue | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | topol, chain-of-domains is a way to split the domain from the identity backend. | 18:57 |
| ayoung | IN the case of LDAP, it allows us a way to enumerate the domains even if they are all stored in a single backend | 18:57 |
| ayoung | or | 18:57 |
| ayoung | if we want to support multiple LDAP servers for a single we can do that via the JSON config as well | 18:57 |
| ayoung | topol, also, it provides a way for doing 'ldap for the admins and SQL for the customers' or some other such mix | 18:58 |
| ayoung | say admins are in the IBM domain, but customers each get their own | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | so customers come out of SQL, and you can dynamically create a new domain. | 18:58 |
| ayoung | topol, but...at some point, you realize that you need to pull in customers from your CRM system as well | 18:59 |
| ayoung | and not lose all the customers in LDAP | 18:59 |
| ayoung | different set of domains, different backend | 18:59 |
| ayoung | that should read "and not lost all your customer in sql" | 18:59 |
| ayoung | lose | 18:59 |
| ayoung | ugh | 18:59 |
| ayoung | Keystone should primarily consumer other authn and authz sources | 19:00 |
| ayoung | and translate them into its own view of things | 19:00 |
| ayoung | this provides a way to say "this domain will be configured this way" | 19:00 |
| ayoung | topol, make sense? | 19:01 |
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| topol | dtroyer, clean.sh took care of some issues but if qpid is started by ubuntu and you are trying to use rabbit, then devstack rabbit will fail. clean.sh did not take care of that. If had a better error message I would have found the problem quicker. | 19:03 |
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| topol | ayoung, reading up... one sec | 19:11 |
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| topol | ayoung, I think the lightbulb over my head is starting to light up. So the idea is you have different domains each mapping to some different source, maybe an ldap source, maybe an SQL, whatever and you want to be able to suck in all the domain info. | 19:16 |
| ayoung | topol, ayuh | 19:16 |
| topol | err user info | 19:16 |
| ayoung | as we say around heya | 19:16 |
| topol | I get that. now whiy all the signing??? | 19:17 |
| ayoung | topol, so I was thinking a step futher, and saying "domains in the same type of data source probably should be treated the same way" | 19:17 |
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| ayoung | topol, signing is for distributed domains. We already have signing, and here is it a way to allow a token be signed by a different keystone server. I was thinking that signing should also be divided along domain lines | 19:18 |
| ayoung | "distributed domains" bad term | 19:18 |
| ayoung | "domains from remote keystones" better | 19:18 |
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| ayoung | domains will not be split | 19:18 |
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| Ryan_Lane | a single domain coming from two sources isn't being considered, is it? | 19:19 |
| ayoung | topol, I get that you don't really care about the distributed signing thing | 19:19 |
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| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, let me reiterate A DOMAIN WILL NOT BE SPLIT! | 19:19 |
| topol | maybe I do. trying to see where it fits | 19:19 |
| Ryan_Lane | heh | 19:19 |
| Ryan_Lane | good :) | 19:19 |
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| ayoung | topol, her's the thing | 19:19 |
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| ayoung | we have multiple auth document formats out there already | 19:20 |
| ayoung | SAML and so forth | 19:20 |
| ayoung | the signed token is just another format | 19:20 |
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| ayoung | this is a way for use to share the format from Openstack across multiple servers | 19:20 |
| ayoung | I would think that the mechanism would be extensible to anything X509 based, really | 19:21 |
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| ayoung | Unless you want to embed all of the certs in every message, you need some way of saying "here is the cert you want" | 19:21 |
| topol | ayoung, so how come all this doesn't help with the use case I started with. Your approach involves multiple keystones and multiple domains. Like my use case. My use case did not have different user lists but isnt that a simplification that your stuff can handle? So for example, maybe the two openstacks have two different ldaps but I am in both of those. | 19:22 |
| topol | maybe I am topol1 in one and topol2 in the other. | 19:23 |
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| ayoung | topol, I think that your use case mostly relies on the ability to have multiple signing certs assocaited with each domain. | 19:24 |
| topol | ayoung, OK, so let's assume its two different users | 19:24 |
| ayoung | topol, two different domains? | 19:24 |
| topol | we have two keystones. Each maps to a seperate domain | 19:25 |
| ayoung | topol, ah, | 19:25 |
| ayoung | topol, ok, then each would have two domains | 19:25 |
| ayoung | one local, one external | 19:25 |
| ayoung | say the local one is ldap | 19:26 |
| topol | ideally the local one is SQL? and external LDAP? | 19:26 |
| ayoung | so each would hold on to the signing certs for the 'external' domain and be able to alidate/hand out the certs for auth_token middleware to validate | 19:26 |
| ayoung | topol, no need | 19:26 |
| ayoung | they can both be LDAP | 19:26 |
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| ayoung | in this case, the SQL one would probably not be used | 19:26 |
| ayoung | but it is irrelevant | 19:27 |
| ayoung | the external is external, not LDAP, | 19:27 |
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| topol | what does that mean | 19:27 |
| ayoung | it just hands out the certs for remote authentication | 19:27 |
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| ayoung | topol, lets say you hand a token to keystone and the token is associated with the external domain. | 19:27 |
| topol | whats a concrete example of that? | 19:27 |
| ayoung | topol, in that case, keystone is going to do the exact thing as auth_token middle ware | 19:28 |
| ayoung | and validate against the certs it has for that domain | 19:28 |
| topol | verify? | 19:28 |
| ayoung | most anything beyond that will be unsupported | 19:28 |
| ayoung | topol, verify. cms | 19:28 |
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| ayoung | topol, it would only handle the 'full document' verification, not the HASH verification, I would thinkg | 19:29 |
| topol | the external domain is another keystone Im guessing? | 19:29 |
| ayoung | think | 19:29 |
| ayoung | topol, yes | 19:29 |
| topol | K, so I have multiple backend keystones from different lands (i.e. domains) | 19:29 |
| topol | I have a keystone in front that verifies for those backends. and then I assume passes on the verification to the real client? | 19:30 |
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| topol | and does the keystone in the middle sign tokens for the real client using its cert? And does this because it verified with the remote keystone? | 19:32 |
| ayoung | topol, it could, yes. For example, say I have a user in dom1, but a project managed by dom2, then dom2 keystone would be responsible for confirming that the user has access, and providing the token | 19:33 |
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| topol | topol so close to understanding this.... so he thinks.. | 19:33 |
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| ayoung | topol, good, I'll set the oven at 400 and let it bake. Meanwhile I'll answer bknudson 's question | 19:34 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, what did you set up for Remote Auth? | 19:34 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: hey... yes, was wondering how the Apache fronting Keystone worked. | 19:35 |
| bknudson | and setting up the remote auth. | 19:35 |
| bknudson | I was able to kind of get it working once, but then ran into some problems. | 19:35 |
| topol | K, I see how you could split stuff so one domain as the project and the other has the user authentication. I think I understand. | 19:35 |
| ayoung | bknudson, what was your setup? | 19:35 |
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| topol | bknudson I will start working on this for devstack soon. Just wanted to spend some design time first on the other cool topics | 19:36 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: not sure how much I should describe... let me grab my notes quick | 19:36 |
| bknudson | anyway, one of the questions I had was what to protect with apache. | 19:36 |
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| bknudson | "Protect" as in, require basic authentication | 19:36 |
| bknudson | is it all of the Keystone resources or just the "acquire token" | 19:37 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, that is a really good question. I've not really come to a hard and fast answer. | 19:37 |
| bknudson | and then the next question is how to get the clients to actually do basic auth... auth_token middleware doesn't do it. | 19:38 |
| topol | wouldnt it be all? pretty much to make in analogous with keystone today? | 19:38 |
| ayoung | bknudson, it seems to me that we would want to be able to have multiple supported auth mechanisms (kerberso, x509, basic) and that would likely require diffferent suburls | 19:38 |
| bknudson | ayoung: so this isn't obvious to you either. I was just thinking I didn't get something obvious. | 19:38 |
| ayoung | topol, maybe, but most of them assume you are passing in a token after the fact | 19:39 |
| ayoung | bknudson, lets take the simple case | 19:39 |
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| ayoung | you want to hit using one auth mechanism, say x509 or kerberos | 19:39 |
| ayoung | so you kerberos protect the /tokens sub url in your apache config | 19:39 |
| ayoung | now, you also protect the entire thing | 19:39 |
| ayoung | which is fine, it just means that only user authenticated with your system can hit even the most rudimentary of URLS, say the versions one | 19:40 |
| ayoung | bknudson, so, say you put everything under / in your webserver as protected via mod_auth_krb5 | 19:40 |
| ayoung | then when you post to /v2.0/tokens it does the Kerberos authentication and sets the REMOTE_USER value | 19:41 |
| ayoung | now, that is only authentication | 19:41 |
| ayoung | to create the token, it needs to pull data out of the authorization source, which is the Identity Backend. | 19:42 |
| bknudson | ayoung: it'll do kerberos auth for every Keystone request and set REMOTE_USER, not just tokens. | 19:42 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, that is correct | 19:42 |
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| ayoung | I am just talking down the POST tokens flow | 19:42 |
| ayoung | which is where REMOTE_USER is actually consumed | 19:42 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I've seen that code. Not sure that it handles domains. | 19:42 |
| ayoung | bknudson, it doesn't | 19:43 |
| ayoung | bknudson, needs to be in the default domain only | 19:43 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, this was a V2 concept. Not sure if anyone did the due dilligence to test it against V3. BUt V2 should still work. So lets start there | 19:43 |
| bknudson | ok, so you find a client that actually does kerberos auth and then point it to keystone, you get a token without passing username and password, and then can use that. | 19:44 |
| ayoung | The REMOTE_USER value is passed to the keyston/tokens/controller.py TokenController:authenticate method. It skips any more checks, and moves on to populating the token. But the userid needs to match | 19:44 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yeah | 19:45 |
| ayoung | bknudson, assume that Kerberos is backed by LDAP | 19:45 |
| ayoung | then you use the same LDAP server as the KDC talks to as your identity backend | 19:45 |
| bknudson | you mean ldap identity backend? | 19:45 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yes | 19:45 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, I would assume then that the LDAP is read only | 19:45 |
| ayoung | bknudson, when I did this, I used the same value for userid and username | 19:46 |
| bknudson | ayoung: interesting | 19:46 |
| bknudson | ayoung: so what about the problem that python-keystoneclient doesn't do kerberos or other auth methods? | 19:46 |
| ayoung | also, the LDAP driver doesn't do kerberos, which is something we need to implement for this release, I think | 19:46 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I am not willing to touch that | 19:46 |
| ayoung | Actually, that is not true | 19:47 |
| ayoung | bknudson, for FreeIPA, we used libcurl which did all of the Kerberos for use, so I know it is do-able | 19:47 |
| bknudson | ayoung: so we might add http authentication methods to python-keystoneclient? (taking advantage of libcurl support) | 19:48 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I have no plans to do so, I just said I know it is do-able | 19:48 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, my plate runneth over | 19:49 |
| bknudson | ayoung: that's fine, just making sure I understand that there wasn't anything obvious I should have figured out with the clients. | 19:49 |
| ayoung | bknudson, nope | 19:50 |
| bknudson | I was kind of able to get it working with curl command line and basic auth. | 19:50 |
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| topol | ayoung, are you saying that when keystone is run inside of apache, users are expected to interract with keystone using something other than python-keystoneclient? | 19:50 |
| topol | e.g. curl only?? | 19:50 |
| ayoung | topol, I'm saying that if people want to use standard HTTP mechanisms when running inside of apache the Clients, keystone and otherwise, do not support that yet. | 19:51 |
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| ayoung | so, if that is your reason for running in apache, yes, use curl or some other mechanism. | 19:52 |
| topol | ayoung, what would be current best practice for what is supported today? Just use curl? Doesnt that dramatically reduce the value of keystone in apache. At least as a point in time statement?? | 19:53 |
| bknudson | one reason to use apache authentication is because it already has read-only LDAP support that works. | 19:53 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, not really. It does the authN but you still need direct access for AuthZ. | 19:54 |
| bknudson | maybe it would be easier to add http authentication methods to keystoneclient than new LDAP support. | 19:54 |
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| ayoung | topol, Just haven't done it yet | 19:54 |
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| topol | bknudson, I get that. Im still grasping how this would work in the real world. You handle the authentication piece, but what about nova and the other components hitting keystone? They will use the python-keystone client and not work. What am I missing? | 19:54 |
| ayoung | topol, client goes on its own release cycle. If it is important enough, we can work on getting it out. | 19:54 |
| topol | Im just making sure I understand our as-is model... | 19:55 |
| ayoung | topol, I don't know. I've heard of this mythical 'real world' but I don't really believe it exists. I live in my Ivory tower. | 19:55 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: umm, i haven't followed the whole conversation, but you can't break old clients | 19:55 |
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| ayoung | topol, the reality is that REMOTE_USER went in in the middle of last release and we didn;t have any one shouting for the client changes | 19:55 |
| ayoung | but they make sense and should be done soonish | 19:56 |
| ayoung | dolphm, we don't | 19:56 |
| ayoung | dolphm, this is for explicitly the case where they are using REMOTE_USER | 19:56 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, which meansthey are using a standard HTTP mechanism | 19:56 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it would be a deliberate decision on the part of the org to use it, and it *Does* imply more work. | 19:56 |
| topol | ayoung, what would tell them to do so that their nova and glance will work? | 19:57 |
| ayoung | topol, start up a blueprint | 19:57 |
| ayoung | topol, why don't you ask the people that are actually using it?> | 19:58 |
| topol | I will, once I get a feel for where we are going... | 19:58 |
| ayoung | topol, I think it was CERN | 19:58 |
| topol | topol, apologizes for being slow. just feeling stupid for not having realized this side effect of keystone in apache before... | 19:59 |
| ayoung | topol https://review.openstack.org/gitweb?p=openstack%2Fkeystone.git;a=commitdiff;h=e276d142541e2517484e5bc539a19a5495a1c679 | 19:59 |
| ayoung | topol, so it was done by boden, and IBMer. | 20:01 |
| topol | yes, I see the smoking gun. Its Boden from IBM. I will follow up with him. What threw me was at the design summit folks would mention running keystone in apache like it was no big deal | 20:01 |
| bknudson | running keystone in apache isn't a big deal | 20:01 |
| bknudson | not sure how to use REMOTE_AUTH, though | 20:02 |
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| dolphm | what happened to boden? | 20:02 |
| topol | yes, but how do all the components work with it bknudson if not thru curl | 20:02 |
| topol | dolphm, boden asked for the feature we were discussing | 20:02 |
| dolphm | i mean where is he now | 20:03 |
| topol | just offline. he still works here | 20:03 |
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| bknudson | boden's still around here. He moved up the stack a bit. | 20:03 |
| bknudson | working on other projects that exploit OpenStack. | 20:03 |
| topol | ayoung too busy laughing as this all points back to big blue | 20:03 |
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| ayoung | topol, well, I have been pushing for the REMOTE_USER approach, but have spread myself kindof thin to see it through to completion, especially when others picked it up and ran with it...kindof like LDAP | 20:04 |
| topol | ayoung, feel free to invoke pottery barn rules, and say we broke it so we bought it | 20:04 |
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| ayoung | topol, we need a blueprint. Care to scribe it? | 20:05 |
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| bknudson | I think boden took advantage of REMOTE_AUTH more with different middleware that set REMOTE_AUTH | 20:05 |
| bknudson | and not specifically with apache authentication | 20:05 |
| topol | sure. python-keystone-client needs to interroperate with apache supported authetication mechanisms? | 20:06 |
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| topol | did I capture the essence? | 20:06 |
| bknudson | topol: sounds good to me. | 20:06 |
| ayoung | topol, which mechanisms? | 20:06 |
| ayoung | how | 20:07 |
| ayoung | and how is that going to tie in with the other clients | 20:07 |
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| ayoung | topol, and it is not 'apache' it is 'the authentication mechanisms for HTTP' | 20:08 |
| ayoung | NOthing apache specific about it | 20:08 |
| ayoung | I would say: Kerberos, X509 Client cert, and basic-auth. | 20:08 |
| topol | yes, I thinking through all of this to understand the motivation.... We want to run keystone in apache because of all the standard HTTP authetnication mechnaisms it supports | 20:08 |
| ayoung | we can make basica auth into the hash thing if we really want, but...suspect we just care a bout making it work in a simplisitc deply there | 20:09 |
| ayoung | topol, correct | 20:09 |
| topol | now if I put my nova or glance hat on do I care? | 20:09 |
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| ayoung | topol, just that they need to talk to Keystone in order to get a token in the first place | 20:09 |
| topol | my guess is they will say, we don't care where you run, just don't break us... | 20:10 |
| ayoung | topol, and we have the unified CLI effort | 20:10 |
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| ayoung | topol, probably | 20:10 |
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| topol | so out of the box, what would nova or glance need to just work with us running in apache? | 20:11 |
| bknudson | topol: I think they would need an auth_token middleware that could be configured to use http authentication | 20:11 |
| ayoung | topol, I think that they consume the python-keystoneclient code to do any token related work, but would have to look to confirm. | 20:12 |
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| topol | bknudson, OK I am trying to understand the end to end flow. pyton-keystoneclient gets configuration options that allows it to be configured to use multiple forms of HTTP authentication. For giggles, let's say basic auth is an option. | 20:16 |
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| bknudson | I hope you're using SSL! | 20:16 |
| topol | its just to work thru, stay calm | 20:16 |
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| bknudson | I'm not totally familiar with the keystone client, but I assume it'll now take some new optional arguments to use basic auth or whatever. | 20:18 |
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| bknudson | the servers (nova, etc) use the auth_token middleware, and the config for that is in their api-paste.ini. | 20:18 |
| bknudson | or their regular config file, nova.ini. | 20:19 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, I would guess that you should do a normal request, get back a 402, and, see that basic-auth is an allowed mechanism, then use the $OS_USERNAME/$OS_OPASSWORD values for that | 20:20 |
| ayoung | probably cache that information somewhere, like in the keyring | 20:20 |
| topol | python-keystone-client performs the desired authentication which if my memory recalls means sending a user id and password. The apache plugin authenticates the user and REMOTE_USER gets set. This gets passed to keystone which disables its standard authentication mechanisms. A token gets created and sent back as it normally would to the python-keystone client (or is it the auth_tken... | 20:20 |
| topol | ...middleware) and everything works fine from there??? | 20:20 |
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| ayoung | topol, I should think so, but then any calls ti keystone should also have the basic auth passed along to it | 20:22 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: good idea. apache will return needs authentication and it should be obvious it's not a Keystone response. | 20:22 |
| ayoung | topol, for X509 client cert, it might be supported already | 20:22 |
| topol | I now have to face the same firing squad I sent to ayoung. Do we have stakeholders that are begging for this??? | 20:22 |
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| ayoung | topol, yes | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | dtroyer: Seems that it's been fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1103760 | 20:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1103760 in devstack "gate-tempest-devstack failed setting up certs" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 20:22 |
| topol | cause its growing big mission creep | 20:22 |
| ayoung | topol, pretty much the entire world that already knows how to do web things | 20:22 |
| ayoung | however, I'll let you do the due dilligence | 20:23 |
| topol | ayoung, agreed | 20:23 |
| ayoung | topol, welcome to Keystone | 20:23 |
| dtroyer | jgriffith: thanks | 20:23 |
| topol | but its safer to have a stakeholder giving thumbs up/ thumbs down. Maybe its bknudson. mayeb boden... | 20:23 |
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| bknudson | topol: we need adequate LDAP support. | 20:24 |
| topol | that we will get | 20:24 |
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| topol | this is bigger than that | 20:24 |
| bknudson | If it comes through an LDAP identity backend that works, or if it comes through Apache auth support, either way. | 20:25 |
| ayoung | topol, so, we need to get rid of bearer tokens | 20:25 |
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| ayoung | X509 client certs are the easiest way to do that | 20:25 |
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| ayoung | so X509 client cert support is, I think, best done via HTTPD | 20:26 |
| ayoung | although it could easily be done using existing SSL, just it would be slow | 20:26 |
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| ayoung | so I see this a strategic for Keystone anyway | 20:27 |
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| lifeless | ttx: how do we move forward on the process blueprints - e.g. the CD one where we wanted to cap review sizes and change the workflow around freezes [to avoid a rush, let code branches land later, and decouple 'enable feature' from 'code lands'] | 20:33 |
| lifeless | ttx: do I just send a mail saying 'this is what we said', or do I need to point the TC at it, or ... ? I ask because there are related ml threads at the moment ;) | 20:33 |
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