Tuesday, 2012-12-18

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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-keystoneclient: Fix middleware logging for swift  https://review.openstack.org/1798400:18
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Add more association support to network API  https://review.openstack.org/1549100:23
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/oslo-incubator: Register the control_exchange RPC option  https://review.openstack.org/1783100:35
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Allows an instance to post encrypted password  https://review.openstack.org/1727401:07
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wooreahi01:56
wooreaanybody has tried to install latest ceilometer with success?01:56
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wooreai mean from source01:57
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/swift: Added override for swift-init's KILL_WAIT  https://review.openstack.org/1827504:34
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/swift: Made 507s report drive, if known.  https://review.openstack.org/1828306:12
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zyluoanyone from Sina around?07:18
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/quantum: Correct i18n messages for bigswitch plugin  https://review.openstack.org/1823607:38
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zyluogongysh, ping07:51
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gongyshzyluo: pong07:56
zyluozhhuabj@cn.ibm.com07:56
zyluogongysh, is he from your team?07:56
gongyshzuluo: yes07:57
zyluogongysh, its becuse of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9507/307:57
zyluomaybe this can be restored and tested now?07:57
gongyshzyluo: it is from zhhuabj07:58
gongyshu can get the patch and have a test.07:59
gongyshIf it is ok, u can work on it.07:59
zyluook I'll test it.07:59
gongyshzhhuabj is now working on inner project.07:59
zyluook got it07:59
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zyluogongysh, can you ask him to only restore  the patch? I'll take on from then08:17
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gongyshok08:19
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zyluogongysh, thanks!08:26
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Hiteshgaryk: Hi Gary08:32
Hiteshgaryk: ping08:32
garykhi08:32
Hiteshgaryk: do you know workflow of extension loading?08:32
Hiteshgaryk: I mean how APIrouter loading extensions?08:33
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garykHitesh: I am not too familiar with this. You can look at the ovs plugin for an example. There are a number of extensions sued here08:34
Hiteshgaryk: Yes..I have create a sample too08:34
Hiteshgaryk: I want to look at the code purspective. how its being loading?08:34
garykHitesh: you can try debugging it08:35
Hiteshgaryk: I mean how wsgi/paste calling APIrouter to load extension08:35
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Hiteshgaryk: hmm08:35
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Hiteshgaryk: I will debug it08:36
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garykHitesh: ok. it is the best way to learn and understand it.08:37
Hiteshgaryk: Exactly..08:37
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Hiteshgaryk: but to put debug message in each call..which is very painful..do you have other method to debug..like to put a breakpoint at one location then step down from08:38
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garykHitesh: please look at http://wiki.openstack.org/QuantumDevelopment - at the bottom of the page it explains how to use various debuggers08:40
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wu_wenxiang[Help] I could not found any ./run_test.sh in swift, so, how do you run unit test?09:21
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reidracnosetests tests/09:28
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reidracyou may need to install nose if nosetests is not available (ie. Debian: apt-get install python-nose)09:28
reidracwell, Debian & Ubuntu :)09:29
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wu_wenxiangreidrac: Thanks, I'll have a try09:30
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wooreaone question10:50
wooreacan openstack perform a live migration the same way cloudstack do?10:51
wooreahttp://blogs.clogeny.com/high-availability-disaster-recovery-for-apache-cloudstack/10:51
wooreawhen a host crash all the vms are live migrated to another compute node ...10:51
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EmilienMwoorea: it's not automatic yet10:53
EmilienMwoorea: there is some work ATM, but not yet merged10:53
EmilienMwoorea: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/rebuild-for-ha10:54
EmilienMwoorea: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11086/10:54
EmilienMwoorea: https://github.com/beloglazov/openstack-neat10:55
EmilienMwoorea: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/dynamic-consolidation-of-virtual-machines10:55
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wooreagreat!10:59
wooreaEmilienM: many thanks!10:59
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zykes-EmilienM: is that stuff going into Grizzly or ?11:11
zykes-russellb: maybe you know ?11:11
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danpbhmm, jenkins appears to be unhappy again today - its failing all changes, but the log URL locations are all 404's  :-(11:13
danpbhttp://logs.openstack.org/18225/1/check/gate-nova-python26/11364 : FAILURE11:13
danpbhttp://logs.openstack.org/18225/1/check/gate-nova-python27/11436 : FAILURE11:13
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tr3buchetrussellb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18299/11:28
tr3buchetdanpb: seeing the same thing11:28
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garykamotoki: ping12:37
amotokigaryk: pong12:38
garykamotoki: how are you? do you have a few secs to speak about the "clear" patch?12:38
amotokigaryk: np12:38
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garykamotoki: do you think that we should change the client side?12:38
garykamotoki: when i was reviewing the client side i encountered the problems and hence the patch.12:39
amotokigaryk: Do you want to change the meaning to action=clear?12:39
garykamotoki: the meaning is confusing. i thought that each field could be cleared, implying that it would be reset to its default value.12:41
garykthe client sends None. So the rationale was that if we get None, then instead of throwing an exception we just return the default value12:41
amotokigaryk: My concern is a case where a default is not an empty value.12:41
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garykamotoki: for example the gateway?12:42
amotokigaryk: I agree that if the client sends None then a value of the attribute is reset to default.12:42
amotokiAt them moment we dont have such attrbiute.12:42
amotokibut assume that the default value is ["xyz"].12:43
garykamotoki: ok, now i understand.12:43
amotokiWe need to set [] to this attribute.12:43
garykamotoki: what do you suggest that we do. \12:44
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amotokigaryk: IMO None is used to reset to the default.12:45
amotokiAnd  the client also support a way to pass "", [], {} or something to the server to set empty.12:46
garykamotoki: so if I understand correctly you are suggesting that the client send the corret defuault value?12:46
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amotokiMy opinion is to fix the client to send "", [], {}.12:48
amotokiThis allows us to set any value to an attribute.12:48
amotokiIf it is supported, we can reset an attribute to default manually at least. So I think it is a first step. What do you think?12:50
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garykamotoki: agreed.12:52
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amotokigaryk: Before moving the patch, it seems to be better to make an consensus on the ML. I would like to ask salvatore's opinion.12:54
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garykamotoki: sounds reasonable. thanks!12:54
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amotokigaryk: thanks. I will send a mail tomorrow.12:55
garykamotoki: thanks have a good evening12:55
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rohitkHi folks, it looks like Nova builds have been failing since yesterday, check/gate-nova-python26/27 gate jobs keep failing, is anyone looking at it?12:58
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danpbmarkmc: ping about the new cfg API design13:56
markmcdanpb, yep?13:56
dprince130 active reviews13:56
dprincefor Nova!13:56
danpbmarkmc: if i want to access a config param defined in an external module,   eg  access  vnc_enabled  in  nova/vnc/  from nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py13:57
dprinceI guess that is WIPs too... but still.13:57
danpbmarkmc: it seems to have todo  CONF.import_opt('vnc_enabled', 'nova.vnc')13:57
markmcdanpb, yes13:57
danpbmarkmc: but despite the name, this actually results in all the config options from  nova.vnc being imported13:57
markmcdanpb, yes13:57
danpbthis seems like a really misleading behaviour given the name13:58
markmcsuggestion for a better name?13:58
danpbor rather misleading name, given the behaviour13:58
markmcit used to be flags.DECLARE()13:58
danpbmarkmc: simply   CONF.import_module("nova.vnc")13:58
danpbie stop pretending that you're importing individual config flags13:58
markmcdanpb, the idea is to declare exactly why you're importing that module - i.e. what options you want13:59
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markmcdanpb, it's far from perfect, I agree13:59
danpbunless, you can actually change the impl so that it only imports the specified config param13:59
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danpbmarkmc: yep, I understand your motivation there, but it don't think this is really satisfying that13:59
danpbmarkmc: because eg, the Nova libvirt driver has imported  1 vnc option, but is actually using 5 of them14:00
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danpbso picking out that 1 option and saying this is why we're importing the module is not really the truth14:00
markmcmy take is pretty simple14:01
markmcdoing:14:01
markmcimport nova.vnc14:01
markmcjust to get options registered by nova.vnc sucks14:01
markmcbecause if you're not using the nova.vnc module, someone is bound to delete the import14:02
markmcand secondly14:02
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danpbmarkmc: yep, i can buy that14:02
markmcflags.DECLARE() is what we had been using for this14:02
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markmcso, this is simply providing that same API14:02
markmcso the question is could we do something dramatically better14:02
markmcan idea I hadn't thought of before is if you did ...14:03
danpbbut I think that     CONF.import_module("nova.vnc")   would make it clear that you're importing it to get access to all the config options, without misleading casual observers into thinking you're importing individual options14:03
markmcCONF = cfg.FilterView(cfg.CONF, 'vnc_enabled', 'vnc_foo')14:03
markmci.e. you're importing the global CONF object but saying what options are going to be used in this module14:04
markmcif you do CONF.register_opt() later, they'd automatically be made available through the view too14:04
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markmcdanpb, as I've been scoping options, I've been doing e.g.14:05
danpbmarkmc: so that would enforce that you declare all the external options you want to use14:05
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markmc-CONF.import_opt('nova.config', 'foo')14:05
markmc+CONF.import_opt('network.manager', 'foo')14:05
danpbif that's possible to enforce, then I think it'd be nice14:05
markmcyeah, should be doable14:05
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danpbok, cool, sounds like a plan14:06
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markmcdanpb, just thrown up a draft here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/cfg-filter-view14:10
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/keystone: module refactoring  https://review.openstack.org/1778214:43
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/quantum: add parent/sub-resource support into Quantum API framework  https://review.openstack.org/1688814:51
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: fix test_nbd using stubs  https://review.openstack.org/1826714:53
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Remove the deprecated quantum v1 code and directory.  https://review.openstack.org/1783016:00
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/glance: Modify the v2 image controller to use domain model  https://review.openstack.org/1751216:01
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danpbooh, a change merged into nova......has jenkins finally sorted itself out16:03
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/cinder: Allow the lvm backed drivers to use mirrrors  https://review.openstack.org/1827316:22
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/keystone: Expand default time delta (bug 1089988)  https://review.openstack.org/1804716:55
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1089988 in keystone "Slow test execution causing transient failures" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108998816:55
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/keystone: Support non-default role_id_attribute  https://review.openstack.org/1797116:56
SlickNiksdague / dtroyer: Please review when you get a chance.16:56
SlickNikhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/17990/16:56
SlickNikThanks!16:56
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Add the missing replacement text in devref doc.  https://review.openstack.org/1801617:07
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Add DBDuplicateEntry exception for unique constraint violations  https://review.openstack.org/1633917:27
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tr3buchetanyone know if jenkins is still being screwy?17:46
tr3buchetit's giving me some failures, but tests pass on my end17:47
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clarkbtr3buchet: can you provide more info than that? we had a couple slaves croak and nova is transitioning to a new test runner17:48
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tr3buchetclarkb: yep, i'm aware of the tests transition, i've got a few patches up for review, and jenkins has failed them for 400 error pages, and in another case an unrelated test failed in python2717:49
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zykes-tr3buchet: seen people complaining17:50
clarkbthe 400 error pages, is something we are actively hitting with a stick and should be getting better now (don't have a fix yet, but I think we have a general idea of what is going on there)17:50
clarkbtr3buchet: for the unrelated test failure can you link to that please?17:51
tr3buchetclarkb: cool17:51
tr3buchetclarkb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18301/17:51
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tr3buchetclarkb: the first run gave error pages17:51
tr3buchetclarkb: the second run only python27 failed17:51
tr3buchetwith the odd test17:51
danpbtr3buchet: ah, i've just seen exactly the same failures on my changes too17:52
clarkbtr3buchet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18279/ is my proposed fix for that error17:52
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clarkbwhat is happening there is the db_servicegroup test does not clean up after itself so the test_hosts_list test gets back a bigger list than it expects17:52
tr3buchetah i see17:53
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tr3buchetclarkb: ok it's approved17:58
clarkbcool17:58
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/keystone: Split endpoint records in SQL by interface  https://review.openstack.org/1722618:01
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Reset the IPv6 API backend when resetting the conf stack.  https://review.openstack.org/1828818:20
jgriffithwinston-d: You still awake?18:22
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Use service fixture in DB servicegroup tests.  https://review.openstack.org/1827918:37
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clarkbtr3buchet: ^ if you rebase I think tests should pass now18:44
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/swift: Use install_requires in setup.py  https://review.openstack.org/1745618:51
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Added conf support for security groups  https://review.openstack.org/1825118:52
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dolphmayoung: +1, three weeks for me as well19:03
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mroddenrussellb: regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1090268 , were you able to verify that this is an issue with nova-compute or were you just setting the priority from undecided?19:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1090268 in nova ""Too many open files" are opened by nova-compute" [Medium,Confirmed]19:10
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russellbmrodden: was just changing priority from undecided.19:11
russellbsupposed to set both when triaging ... i saw it got confirmed so i set a priority19:11
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mroddenrussellb: ok thanks, not sure if it really is a bug with compute or not yet... trying to track it down now19:13
SlickNiksdague / dtroyer: you guys around?19:14
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tr3buchetclarkb: thanks!19:33
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smosersdague, i'd appreciate your review of the (now surely non-controversial) urandom in MD at19:40
smoserhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/14550/319:40
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heckjdolphm: would you give a look over https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17624/ if you have time today?19:52
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heckjayoung: same ^^19:52
dolphmheckj: sure, didn't realize that was up for review now19:52
heckjdolphm: ayoung: this is in prep for full support for HTTPS across all clients, just the keystone version19:52
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SpamapSSo.. perhaps I'm not understanding eventlet very well. This is my attempt at parallelizing some stuff in Heat ...http://paste.ubuntu.com/1448360/ ..19:57
SpamapSbut when it gets to the end of the pool.imap loop ... it seems that not all of the threads have returned19:58
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Move TimeOverride to the general reusable-test-helper place.  https://review.openstack.org/1826020:00
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Properly remove the time override in quota tests.  https://review.openstack.org/1826120:00
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vishymarkmcclain: ping20:08
markmcclainpong20:08
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vishymarkmcclain: a few days ago I tried to run trunk with quantum20:09
vishyenabling all of the services including q-meta20:09
vishyand I had no luck with metadata20:09
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vishyis that expected to work?20:09
markmcclainyes20:09
vishyand does anything special need to be done with devstack aside from20:10
vishydisable-service n-net20:10
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vishyenable-service quantum … and all the q-xxx service20:10
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markmcclainthat's all that's needed20:10
vishymarkmcclain: ok I'm going to give it another run today and see if I still have the same issue20:11
markmcclainok20:11
markmcclainlet me know if acts up and we can figure out what's going on20:11
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vishymarkmcclain: thanks. BTW, are we planning on turning quantum on by default soon?20:16
vishydo all of the regular exercise.sh tests pass wtih quantum?20:17
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: removed duplicate function definitions  https://review.openstack.org/1830120:17
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markmcclainI'd like it to be on by default.. I think nati_ueno was working on making sure the execises pass for the Quantum gate20:18
markmcclainuntil the gate is there I don't think it can be on by default20:18
nati_uenovishy: Which error did you get?20:22
nati_uenoI'm working on quantum-gating. execises works on my env well, but not in CI env. If it is not working on your env, it could be same problem20:23
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zyluo_nati_ueno, ping20:34
nati_uenopong zyluo_20:35
zyluo_nati_ueno, did you contact monty about the CI problem you encountered?20:35
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zyluo_nati_ueno, He told be to tell you to contact him20:36
nati_uenozyluo_ I contacted Jim, and he said he let me access VMs in CI today20:36
zyluo_nati_ueno, oh great. Got it20:36
nati_uenozyluo_: Thanks!20:36
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vishynati_ueno: I haven't tried i was just asking20:44
vishynati_ueno: what is wrong with ci env?20:44
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tr3buchetrussellb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18299/20:45
tr3buchetrussellb: jenkins business is worked out now, if you have comments20:45
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russellbtr3buchet: cool, was waiting for that20:45
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nati_uenovishy: ping failed in CI env20:47
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russellbtr3buchet: so um ... nothing is using the new argument?20:47
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vishynati_ueno: hmm devstack run, dhcp failed20:55
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nati_uenovishy: This is localrc which I confirmed working https://gist.github.com/a1106672e2f3f73b698c20:55
nati_uenovishy: Could you give me your localrc?20:55
vishyhmm perhaps it is because i still have 10.0.0.1 on br10020:56
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nati_uenovishy: Ah br100 should be deleted20:56
tr3buchetrussellb: that manager isn't using it yet, but could possibly in the future, a private branch manager does use it however20:56
russellbugh..20:57
russellbso if it's a private branch, just patch it in your private branch?20:57
russellbi understand that the patch is simple and not that invasive, but it's sort of on principal here20:57
tr3buchetrussellb: yes agree20:57
russellband the fact that someone could come along and remove it later, because they have no way to know where else it could be used20:58
tr3buchetrussellb: the deal is the use of an admin api for adding ips to instances20:58
tr3bucheti want to ensure that we can have a different context project id and still be able to have the work happen20:58
tr3buchetrussellb: that said i haven't scoped the work out for the public network manager yet20:59
vishynati_ueno: ok trying again without br10020:59
russellbok ... so perhaps this should wait until all of that is ready for public?20:59
russellbFWIW, your changes look correct as far as rpc api versioning goes20:59
vishynati_ueno: unstack.sh doesn't delete all of the other random bridges20:59
tr3buchetrussellb: kindof agreeing20:59
vishyis it ok if they already exist?20:59
tr3buchetrussellb: also good!20:59
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nati_uenovishy: yes. unstack.sh should be updated21:00
tr3buchetrussellb: The issue is that the private manager code won't ever go upstream21:00
russellbthat's part of the cost of maintaining out of tree code21:00
tr3buchetrussellb: agree21:00
tr3buchetrussellb: let me revisit for now the idea of updating the current manager to use the argument21:01
vishynati_ueno: if i rerun with those bridges will it work?21:01
russellbok great, thanks21:01
tr3buchetrussellb: will you be more comfortable then?21:01
vishynati_ueno: or do I need to delete them?21:01
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russellbyes21:01
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tr3buchetrussellb: brilliant21:01
nati_uenovishy: It should be deleted.21:01
nati_uenovishy: This is my cleanup script https://gist.github.com/433197821:02
vishynati_ueno: thanks21:02
vishynati_ueno: Cannot remove /var/run/netns/qrouter-c05ee1bf-bb46-4dad-b616-6c3b476a58df: Device or resource busy21:04
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nati_uenovishy: That's one is OK.21:04
vishyok cool21:04
ayoungheckj, schweet!  Happy to look!21:05
heckjayoung: thxusir!21:06
ayoungheckj, I was looking at that already, just hadn't completed the review.  Very happy to see it.21:06
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Traceback when user doesn't have permission.  https://review.openstack.org/1768521:09
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davidkranzsdague: Sean, what's the status of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18085/ ?21:14
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vishynati_ueno: ok so metadata is still failing21:18
vishywget: can't connect to remote host (169.254.169.254): No route to host21:18
vishynati_ueno: I see nothing in the q-meta log21:19
nati_uenovishy: could you give me your localrc?21:20
jeblairvishy: o/21:20
jeblairnati_ueno: i'm working on getting you access to a quantum-devstack CI machine now21:20
nati_uenojeblair: Super coool! Thanks!21:20
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vishynati_ueno: the only thing i'm using is disable_service and enable21:20
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Move DNS manager options into network.manager  https://review.openstack.org/1791721:20
nati_uenovishy: could you try https://gist.github.com/a1106672e2f3f73b698c ?21:21
sdaguedavidkranz: me being lazy to get back to it, let me swing around and fix21:21
vishynati_ueno: http://paste.openstack.org/show/28388/21:21
davidkranzsdague: NP :). Was just going over reviews...21:21
nati_uenovishy: Ah sorry my localrc missing q-meta21:22
davidkranzsdague: It looks like your fix for the instance ERROR issue may havbe worked.21:22
vishynati_ueno: none of those look relevant except for gateway21:22
sdaguedavidkranz: cool, I figured if we were clean until thursday, we should consider proposing full gate21:22
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/glance: Log error on failure to load paste deploy app.  https://review.openstack.org/1823421:22
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vishyI"m not using 10.0.0.1 so i don't see why it would help to change it21:23
nati_uenovishy: OK could you add gateway param?21:23
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davidkranzsdague: We still have the "other" problem which is that the last two runs took an hour to run the full tempest suite.21:23
davidkranzsdague: That won't be acceptable I think.21:23
nati_uenovishy: NETWORK_GATEWAY= to your gateway ip21:23
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/1816221:23
davidkranzsdague: We really need progress on parallel execution first.21:24
sdaguedavidkranz: do we have test timing integrated yet?21:24
vishywhat is my gatewy ip?21:24
vishymy public ip?21:24
vishyfor the vm?21:24
sdaguedavidkranz: yeh, cyeoh is starting to look at that. But if you've watched the testr transition in nova, it's going to take a while21:24
davidkranzsdague: Daryl said he was going to post some timing data.21:24
nati_uenovish it should be first ip of your fixed_ip_range21:24
davidkranzsdague: I know.21:24
vishynati_ueno: ok it is21:25
vishythe default range is 10.0.0.0/24 and the gateway is 10.0.0.121:25
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nati_uenovishy: Yes21:25
davidkranzsdague: I think the best solution for now would be to use the hourly build but see if PTLs will agree to react to breakage quickly.21:25
jkoelkertr3buchet: there is no reason we could not put our networ manager code upstream21:25
jkoelkertr3buchet: if the community wants its21:26
nati_uenovishy: Ah sorry default of NETWORK_GATEWAY looks 10.0.0.121:26
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nati_uenovishy: so it will not help. sorry21:27
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nati_uenovishy: which commit of devstack are you using?21:28
tr3buchetjkoelker: i can't imagine they would.. do you?21:29
jeblairnati_ueno: can you join #openstack-infra ?21:30
jkoelkertr3buchet: i have no idea, but its not internal only for any sort of secret sauce, it was merely for performance reasons we had to do our own thing21:31
nati_uenojeblair: sure!21:31
tr3buchetjkoelker: true.21:31
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tr3buchetrussellb: i have a philosophical question for you. If the network manager is pluggable, does everything in the api need to be required by the upstream manager?21:35
russellbthat topic is debatable21:35
wu-wenxiangCould any swift core developer help to review & approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18295/ ? Thanks21:36
russellbif you ask me, it shouldn't be pluggable21:36
tr3buchetwhich is why i ask21:36
tr3bucheti agree with you about code being upstream that isn't used21:36
russellbi don't understand why it's pluggable in the first place21:36
tr3buchetbut at the same time, it is pluggable.. so..21:36
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russellbi feel like it's an internal API and we should only be concerned with code in the tree as far as upstream is concerned21:37
tr3buchetrussellb: it was made pluggable in the first place because nova itself contains a few different managers21:37
russellbbut i realize i seem to be on the extreme on that general topic21:37
tr3buchetrussellb: they are for specific use case network situations21:37
russellbok, makes sense21:37
russellbright21:37
tr3buchetso.. naturally, there are more use cases than what nova has defined21:38
vishynati_ueno: I'm using current master21:38
russellbbut arbitrarily pluggable with out of tree managers is (IMO) an unintentional side effect21:38
tr3buchetand all use the same network api (for now21:38
tr3buchet)21:38
nati_uenovishy: I got it. Thanks21:38
nati_uenomarkmcclain: do you have debug idea for this?21:38
tr3buchetrussellb: hmmm.. that may be true21:38
tr3buchetrussellb: but intended side effect or not, it's pluggable21:39
russellbpluggable, but pluggable and supported upstream?21:40
tr3buchetwhy not?21:40
russellbbecause i consider it an internal implementation detail21:40
russellband agreeing that it's a public API means a whole new set of support considerations21:40
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tr3buchetbut then people using external managers cannot contribute upstream?21:41
russellbwhere you have to keep out of tree code in mind when making any changes21:41
jkoelkerso here's the thing in reguards to the project_id, the only way it "works now" is that the db_api that the network_managers use lookup the correct one based on the network_id21:41
russellbi don't think that's actually the case21:41
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: network/api add_fixed_ip correctly passes uuid  https://review.openstack.org/1829721:41
russellbthey could contribute their managers upstream :)21:41
tr3buchetrussellb: would you like me to propose our manager?21:41
_cerberus_russellb, tr3buchet: it's an API contract argument21:41
russellbis it generally useful?21:41
russellbif so, sure21:42
jkoelkerI would argue that tieing the network managers to the db is not the correct solution either, and the right way is to always accept the project_id21:42
russellb_cerberus_: pretty much21:42
tr3buchetrussellb: hmm... i haven't ever considered this api to be an internal mechanism..21:42
tr3buchetrussellb: why do you see it that, i'm curious?21:42
russellbwell that's part of the problem, it's not defined21:43
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russellband so that's my interpretation21:43
_cerberus_russellb: so you're arguing that it shouldn't be defined, correct?21:43
_cerberus_Not just that it isn't21:43
russellbwell, i'd argue that it should be defined (whether something is a public API or not), and that we should define that this isn't21:43
_cerberus_Fair point21:43
russellband in fact, that there is no public APIs in nova, other than the REST API21:43
russellband python-novaclient, of course21:44
russellbthat's my extreme starting point21:44
russellbi'm willing to consider otherwise, but if we define something as a public API, i think we need to make that very clear and consider what that means21:44
russellb(for API stability purposes and such)21:45
_cerberus_Right right. hmmm21:45
tr3buchetrussellb: how do you see the api itself being pluggable?21:45
tr3buchetthe network api i mean21:45
russellbnope21:45
russellbnot with out of tree code, i consider it in the same boat21:45
tr3buchetrussellb: it's weird to me then that the network code is full of one offs, but only certain ones..21:46
SlickNiksdague :  Any chance I can get you to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17990/ when you have a minute?21:46
SlickNikThanks!21:46
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markmcclainnati_ueno: looking21:46
tr3buchetrussellb: i meant that the network api is pluggable, and that there are 2 in the trunk tree21:46
russellbsure, i get that21:46
russellbbut that doesn't mean it's a public API21:46
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Move network_driver into new nova.network.driver  https://review.openstack.org/1791821:46
nati_uenomarkmcclain: thanks21:46
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ayoungvishy, sorry about that.21:47
_cerberus_russellb: out of curiosity, if he had proposed **kwargs instead, would you have accepted that? It's a messy way of accomplishing both aims, I think21:47
ayoungdtroyer,  can you point me at why requests is beter than httplib?21:47
russellbnope21:47
russellbi would have asked why the change was needed21:48
vishyayoung: afaik httplib just plain doesn't work properly with https21:48
russellband we'd be back to the same conversation, i think21:48
_cerberus_Yep21:48
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tr3bucheti hate agreeing with both sides of this21:50
tr3buchetrussellb: i wish i had your conviction on the matter21:50
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russellbheh21:51
russellbFWIW, this has been stewing in my mind for a long time21:51
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_cerberus_Apparently :-D21:51
russellbit's not like i just came up with it all just now21:51
russellbhehe21:51
_cerberus_No no, take the credit!21:51
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russellbjust saying, you didn't just set me off, heh21:51
tr3buchetwell i mean not having external pluggable things is actually far simpler21:51
tr3bucheti wonder how many people are actually doing that21:52
russellbi'm mainly concerned about what it means for support21:52
tr3bucheti see two things though, because it will also increase number of forks21:52
_cerberus_Support from whom and to whom? There's still an explicit set of methods a network manager has to provide21:52
tr3buchetgood for support, bad for forking21:52
russellbwell ... but that's their own fault, right?  they should figure out ways to get code upstream that does what they need21:53
russellband minimize what's specific to their environment21:53
russellbi think people are copying a whole existing manager and making some tweaks21:53
_cerberus_So there's an API of sorts. I can see the point about not trying to provide compatibility to external sources we can't vet in the canonical code base21:53
russellbwhich is a terrible idea21:53
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tr3buchetrussellb: if we didn't support external managers, then the number of managers required to be in trunk would be ludicrous i expect21:53
russellbof course, in the case of the network manager, long term we're looking at it going away right?21:53
_cerberus_In theory21:54
russellbright ......21:54
russellbheh21:54
tr3buchethaha21:54
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tr3buchetrussellb: i don't think it will ever go completely away21:54
russellbwell i'm not saying i object to ever having a public API in this area21:54
tr3buchetbut once it's simplified, quantum can deal with all of this21:54
russellbi'd just like to feel like it's a concious decision21:54
tr3buchetand they'll have a brazillion plugins as a result i expect21:55
tr3buchetexternal or otherwise21:55
* russellb nods21:55
jkoelkerwell the biggest benifit right now is the network_manager acts as a traffic cop21:55
jkoelkerto prevent quantum/melange falling down on us21:55
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jkoelker1500 compute nodes all running get_instance_nw_info is not fun21:55
russellbyay scale21:56
_cerberus_russellb: so you're saying we should define a public API for networks21:57
_cerberus_You guys heard it, russellb wants to define the public network api21:57
tr3buchet_cerberus_: he said he was against that21:58
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_cerberus_You guys didn't see the message where he said he wants it?21:58
_cerberus_Man, must be your clients21:58
tr3buchethaha21:58
tr3bucheti can't be blamed if my client filters out what i don't want to hear!21:58
russellbwell my starting point is that i don't want one at all :)21:59
tr3buchetwell that's lucky21:59
russellbbut if we have to have it, i think we should consciously define it, knowing that it's public, and knowing what requirements we have to not break consumers of the API21:59
_cerberus_russellb: I know, I'm throwing rocks21:59
russellbheh21:59
tr3buchetrussellb: doesn't the rpcapi do that?22:00
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_cerberus_Well, given the (possibly broken window) fact that it's already pluggable, what we have now is an implicit API. Compounded with the RPCAPI, we have a means of defining that in a way that satisfies all the base requirements. It still doesn't provide for an external implementation to function correctly, but it is kind of saying we have the foundation22:02
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russellbbrain tired!22:03
jkoelkerI would advocate that the project_id is always sent to the network nodes as the context is unreliable (get_instance_nw_info, et. al.)22:03
_cerberus_^ a multi-tenant system with the idea of an administrative/proxy acting on behalf of other users is unsupportable given the current networking API22:04
uvirtbot_cerberus_: Error: "a" is not a valid command.22:04
jkoelkerbut we can jsut work around it in melange and use it as the project_id lookup22:04
_cerberus_Nice22:04
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/swift: Refactor Ring::get_nodes() and Ring::get_part_nodes()  https://review.openstack.org/1829522:04
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gyeedolphm, can a credential be associated with multiple projects?22:31
gyeethe code seem to suggest 1:122:32
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bknudsonis ubuntu 12.10 supported for devstack?22:45
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clarkbI don't think we do anything explicit to break 12.10, but devstack is gated on 12.04 so its possible things don't work quite right on 12.1022:46
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WackoRobieI have been using 12.10 without issue so far.22:49
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WackoRobieHave not done anything extravagant but its working.22:49
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bknudsondevstack.org says 12.04 so I wasn't sure.22:50
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bknudsonand I had a test in nova fail that looked fishy22:51
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markmcclainvishy: ping23:22
vishymarkmcclain: sup?23:22
markmcclainI think I know what's going wrong23:22
markmcclainadd this to your localrc23:23
markmcclainQ_META_DATA_IP=127.0.0.123:23
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vishymarkmcclain: trying it. Is there a reason that isn't the default if it is needed?23:25
markmcclainThere's a bug in stack.sh .. that never sets this default23:26
vishyah ok23:26
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vishyno luck23:30
vishymarkmcclain: ^^23:30
markmcclainhmmm… ok I'll keep trying to reproduce23:30
vishyfyi all i'm doing is running devstack and booting a cirros instance23:31
vishynothing particularly complicated23:31
markmcclainsame here, but it's working for me23:32
vishyalthough I had run nova without quantum before23:32
vishyso perhaps nova left something around23:32
markmcclainI can't think of anything that could cause problems23:33
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Fix typos in vncserver_listen config param help description  https://review.openstack.org/1830023:33
markmcclaincan you paste your /etc/quantum/metadata_agent.ini file?23:34
vishymarkmcclain: http://paste.openstack.org/show/28390/23:37
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markmcclainok.. that looks correct23:41
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vishymarkmcclain: need me to start tcpdumping?23:43
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markmcclainnot yet23:45
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markmcclainis there a leftover iptables rule for 169.254.169.254 from the prior nova only run?23:46
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vishyno i cleaned them out23:46
vishythere is no 169 rule anywhere23:46
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markmcclainok.. this is just strange23:47
SlickNikdevstack folks: can I get you to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17990/ when you get a chance, please?23:49
SlickNikMuch thanks!23:49
vishymarkmcclain: if i do  sudo ovs-ofctl show br-int is it expected that everntying is showing23:51
vishyconfig: PORT_DOWN23:51
vishyand state: LINK_DOWN ?23:51
vishydhcp is working so I assume it is ok23:52
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vishyi lso see this in syslog: vmsvc[1438]: [ warning] [guestinfo] RecordRoutingInfo: Unable to collect IPv4 routing table.23:52
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