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jog0notmyname: thanks.  Feel free to review it as well00:02
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hub_capbcwaldon_: u around?03:39
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zykes-when was it that the openstack project was announced ?10:08
zykes-june X 2010 ?10:08
danpbzykes-: looks like July 19th 2010   http://www.openstack.org/blog/2010/07/introducing-openstack/10:11
zykes-Ì think july 13th10:11
zykes-Austin Design Summit (July 13 - 14, 2010)10:12
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soren_zykes-: Design Summit was before the announcement.10:19
soren_Special invite only.10:19
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sstentanyone know why i might niot be able to ping between instances? I'm using multihost, all instacnes are on the same subnet. I cna ping the gateway of the vm, but not other gateways on the same subnet.14:02
sstentI did a tcpdump on each server for the arp sequence, and I cna see the arp going out fron the host, I see a reply being sent from the target, but it doesn't get received on the orinating host or the instance14:03
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bcwaldoneglynn_: marco14:10
eglynn_bcwaldon: hey14:10
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bcwaldoneglynn_: ec2 id stuff14:10
lorin1sstent: Do you have allow_same_net_traffic option set to True? (This should be the default)14:11
eglynn_bcwaldon: yeah, so it seems like the collision aspect is a show-stopper on the patch I proposed14:11
bcwaldoneglynn_: I personally feel that way, yes14:11
eglynn_bcwaldon: another idea was to just expose the mapping via a new OS API extension14:11
eglynn_(so that a S3 image ID could be retrieved given a glance UUID and vice versa)14:12
eglynn_bcwaldon: so that at least would allow discoverability14:12
bcwaldoneglynn_: where would the mapping live with that approach?14:13
eglynn_bcwaldon: where-ever that mapping is maintained ... currently it lives in the nova DB, so it could be exposed by nova as an API extension14:14
sstentlorin1: yup, sure do14:14
lorin1sstent: Are you running in VLAN mode?14:14
sstentlorin1: nope, flatdhcp14:15
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eglynn_bcwaldon: so currently I think AWSOME requires that the glance UUID is used in RunInstances (instead of the ami-* style ID)14:15
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eglynn_bcwaldon: as it just passes it thru' to the nova native API call to boot the server14:15
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bcwaldoneglynn_: can you define the problem you're trying to solve?14:16
eglynn_bcwaldon: also there's the tagging/metadata option14:16
lorin1sstent: Security groups set correctly to allow icmp traffic? (not sure if this applies to inter-instance traffic)14:16
bcwaldoneglynn_: I want to make sure we're on the same page14:16
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eglynn_bcwaldon: k14:16
eglynn_bcwaldon: in order to invoke on certain EC2 APIs, knowledge of the EC2 image ID is required14:16
eglynn_bcwaldon: but there's no discoverability on that form of image ID AFAIK, other than a direct query on the nova DB14:17
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bcwaldoneglynn_: can you explain that lack of discoverability? I can just do a describeImages...14:18
eglynn_bcwaldon: but that only gives the (non-unique) image name and ami-* style14:19
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eglynn_bcwaldon: i.e. doesn't reference the unique glance UUID for the image14:19
eglynn_bcwaldon: so if there are 5 images called 'Ubuntu Precise" I don't know which one I'm gonna get14:19
eglynn_bcwaldon: or am I missing something really obvious here?14:20
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bcwaldoneglynn_: I don't know why a user would want to use ec2 and the glance api14:20
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bcwaldoneglynn_: you are correct, but the glance uuid isn't part of ec214:20
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eglynn_bcwaldon: well the whole subject came up related to image replication between regions14:21
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eglynn_bcwaldon: someone (say an admin) organizes for a bunch of images to be replicated to a new region14:22
bcwaldoneglynn_: ok, so the goal here is to have the same ec2 id to glance id mapping14:22
bcwaldoneglynn_: is that true?14:23
eglynn_bcwaldon: yep, or some other way for EC2 API users in the new region to easily find out or be told what ami-* IDs then need to use for the replicated images14:23
eglynn_s/then need/they need/14:23
bcwaldoneglynn_: how does amazon tell users what images to use?14:23
markwashdoes this sound like something write-protected metadata could be used for?14:23
bcwaldonmarkwash: stay out of this14:24
markwash:-) okay14:24
bcwaldoneglynn_: what mark is suggesting is that we store the ec2 id as a property on the images in glance14:24
bcwaldoneglynn_: a property which cannot be modified14:24
eglynn_bcwaldon: well they kinda take the easy route wrt portability, i.e. there's none between regions14:24
sstentlorin1: icmp   -1  - 1  0.0.0.0/0 allowed -- i can ping from the instances network host to the instance, but not on another host14:25
eglynn_bcwaldon: yep, the metdata/tagging approach was the 3rd option mentioned above14:25
bcwaldoneglynn_: so it makes me want to say that *we* shouldnt be trying to reimplement a better ec2, we have a compatibility layer :)14:25
lorin1sstent: Can you arping across?14:25
bcwaldoneglynn_: I would like to explore the metadata route. With the v2 api, we're going to have a way to add permissions around modificaion to individual image properties14:25
eglynn_bcwaldon: I guess the difference in pure EC2-land is that the ami-* ID really is the canonical image ID14:26
bcwaldoneglynn_: where in the v1 api, everything is writable, v2 will allow you to arite a property only once (on create)14:26
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bcwaldoneglynn_: yes, Amazon's service does choose to do that14:26
eglynn_bcwaldon: k, so say an image were registered via the nova API, then it could set the EC2 id as a property when passing the image onto glance14:27
bcwaldoneglynn_: yep, thats the idea14:27
eglynn_bcwaldon: whereas if an image were directly registered via glance?14:27
bcwaldoneglynn_: you would have to manually add an ec2 id14:28
eglynn_bcwaldon: so currently that EC2 image ID is generate dby nova on demand, it could at the same time set this image property via glance14:28
eglynn_bcwaldon: as long the prop didn't need to be set on creation14:29
eglynn_bcwaldon: (i.e. could only be set once, but possibly post-creation if not set on creation)14:29
bcwaldoneglynn_: yes, the 'possibly post-creation' part adds a bigger issue14:29
bcwaldoneglynn_: nova talks to glance as the authenticated user, not as an admin14:30
eglynn_bcwadlon: a-ha, yeah, that's a point14:30
bcwaldoneglynn_: so that means we would have to leave the permissions open to admins and the owner of the image to change14:30
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bcwaldoneglynn_: but I think this is the only way forward14:31
bcwaldoneglynn_: and it has the major drawback of having to store this data outside of its sole control14:31
eglynn_bcwaldon: the EC2 image ID being stored outside of nova's sole control, do you you mean?14:32
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bcwaldoneglynn_: yes, outside of the control of the one component that should own it (the ec2 layer)14:32
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bcwaldoneglynn_: but I think that is ok due to the fact that your deployment should either be using the OS APIs or using EC214:33
eglynn_bcwaldon: well the ID is immutable, so it being stored in multiple places is not a huge issue, or?14:33
bcwaldoneglynn_: and if you just expose ec2, you dont have to worry about users editing that property manually14:33
bcwaldoneglynn_: my issue is that it only matters to the ec2 compatability layer, which lives in nova14:34
bcwaldoneglynn_: and we would be storing it in glance, which cares nothing about it14:34
eglynn_bcwaldon: yep, polluting glance somewhat14:34
bcwaldoneglynn_: but like I said, I think thats ok14:35
bcwaldoneglynn_: assuming users of the ec2 layer are only exposing that14:35
bcwaldoneglynn_: that == the ec2 api14:35
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bcwaldoneglynn_: do you buy that?14:36
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eglynn_bcwaldon: say the EC2 image IDs were added as a property to the image representations returned via the nova API, i.e. nova decorated each image with an additional property/tag/metadata/whatever14:37
eglynn_bcwaldon: but would not appear if the image is accessed directly via the glance API14:37
eglynn_bcwaldon: that way we'd avoid the cross-pollution14:37
bcwaldoneglynn_: I don't really care about discoverability14:37
bcwaldoneglynn_: and I don't think that's reasonable to expect14:38
bcwaldoneglynn_: since we always query glance as the auth'd user14:38
bcwaldoneglynn_: so a user shoudl see a greater set of data from glance when compared to nova's /images14:38
eglynn_bcwaldon: yep, true that14:38
bcwaldoneglynn_: so I think the path we can take is this:14:39
bcwaldoneglynn_: you deploy in native mode which doesn't have the ec2 id on images and you use all OS apis14:39
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bcwaldoneglynn_: or you deploy in ec2 compat mode wherein you use only the ec2 api and you store the ec2 ids in an image property in glance14:39
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eglynn_bcwaldon: sounds reasonable for most cases ... but we wouldn't be *requiring* a mutually exclusive EC2 or OS API choice, right?14:40
eglynn_bcwaldon: i.e. there may be valid use-cases where exposing both APIs makes sense14:41
bcwaldoneglynn_: we would require it, but I personally want those two options to be our supported options14:41
bcwaldoneglynn_: we need to get away from using the ec2 api14:41
bcwaldoneglynn_: so I dont want it to be a first class citizen14:42
bcwaldoneglynn_: thats why we took the approach we did with the s3_images table14:42
eglynn_bcwaldon: did you mean "we would*n't* require it" ... i.e. it would be the recommended approach, but we wouldn't force users down that route?14:42
bcwaldoneglynn_: correct14:43
bcwaldoneglynn_: typo :)14:43
eglynn_bcwaldon: cool, k ... lets go with the image property idea so, I'll write it up in a blueprint14:43
bcwaldoneglynn_: cool, I think most of the work will be in nova14:43
bcwaldoneglynn_: we can jsut ship with an ec2_id (or something) property in the v2 api schema14:44
eglynn_bcwaldon: yep, I agree ... so it'll a nova BP14:44
bcwaldoneglynn_: yes sir14:44
eglynn_s/it'll a/it'll be a/14:44
eglynn_bcwaldon: cool, thx!14:44
bcwaldoneglynn_: thank you :)14:44
maoyvishy: ping14:46
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bcwaldonmaoy: vishy is oot14:54
maoybcwaldon: thx14:54
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bcwaldonmtaylor: ...14:59
bcwaldonmtaylor: I'm about to ragequit pip14:59
mtaylorbcwaldon: awesome15:04
mtaylorbcwaldon: what now?15:04
mtaylorbcwaldon: (it's a pile of amazing evil monkies, btw ... so many things broken)15:04
bcwaldonmtaylor: one sec15:06
bcwaldonmtaylor: so using -f in tools/pip-requires doesnt work15:07
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bcwaldonmtaylor: so the -f option adds an alternate index location15:09
bcwaldonmtaylor: so in python-glanceclient, to build a good venv, you have to replace the -f line with just 'python-keystoneclient' in tools/pip-requires, then run with the -f option in the actual call directly to pip15:09
mtaylorbcwaldon: what?15:10
bcwaldonmtaylor: get into a fresh venv15:10
mtaylorbcwaldon: that seems very wrong ... did pip change behaviors on versions?15:10
bcwaldonmtaylor: no, -f doesnt do what you think it does15:10
mtaylorbcwaldon: I did the -f thing in a fresh venv yesterday ...15:10
mtaylorreally? that makes me so sad15:10
bcwaldonyes15:10
* mtaylor has come to really really loathe pip15:11
bcwaldonmtaylor: you can test this15:11
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* LinuxJedi is thinks mtaylor is running out of things he likes :)15:11
bcwaldonmtaylor: create a pip-requires file with 'python-keystoneclient' in it15:11
bcwaldonmtaylor: then pass the -f on the command-line and the -r pip-requires15:11
bcwaldonmtaylor: try it with just -f in the pip-requires and not on the command line to prove that what we have now doesnt work15:12
mtaylorbcwaldon: ok. I see what you're saying. DAMMIT15:15
mtaylorbcwaldon: back to the drawing board15:15
bcwaldonmtaylor: :(15:15
mtaylorbcwaldon: oh, so just removing -f and putting the link works15:16
mtaylorbcwaldon: lemme see if that works from setup.py too...15:16
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bcwaldonmtaylor: yep15:17
bcwaldonmtaylor: whew15:17
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bcwaldonmtaylor: yep to the 'remove -f and it works with pip' thing15:17
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bcwaldonmtaylor: but no, fails with setup.py15:18
iryoungHello, there15:18
mtaylorbcwaldon: ok, that might be due to our depend_links parsing...15:18
iryoung.probetests of swift should be always success?15:19
mtaylorbcwaldon: yes, bad parsing ... one sec15:19
iryoungbecause in my case, it usually one or more tests failed..:(15:19
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dprinceklmitch: around?15:23
dprinceVek: around?15:23
bcwaldonmtaylor: https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/53915:25
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bcwaldonmtaylor: that might help solve our problems?!15:25
mtaylorbcwaldon: well, pip already supports git protocol urls... the problem was the easy_install/distutils doesn't15:26
mtaylorwhich is what gets used to get depends of depends...15:26
bcwaldonnever minnd then15:27
mtaylorbcwaldon: https://review.openstack.org/779815:30
mtaylorbcwaldon: I think that should fix it15:30
mtaylorand should be the model we can apply elsewhere15:30
mtaylorbcwaldon: fwiw, I'm trying REAL HARD to work through a way that we can cut down on the number of moving parts here ...15:31
bcwaldont'would be nice15:31
bcwaldonmtaylor: run your own pypi mirror15:31
mtaylorbcwaldon: we have started doing that ... turns out, even _that_ is harder15:32
bcwaldonmtaylor: well I'm leaving15:32
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bcwaldonmtaylor: forever15:32
mtaylorbcwaldon: than you'd think (because of how pypi does external links15:32
bcwaldonmtaylor: I'm just gonna let you fix this while I'm at lunch15:32
mtaylorbcwaldon: BUT - we'll get that sorted, and then we'll get rid of much of the caching logic that touches the trees15:32
bcwaldonmtaylor: fix it fix it15:33
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zykes-nova devs here ?15:35
zykes-http://pastebin.com/epiwqszx anyone seen that before in nova ?15:36
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hub_caphey im getting a goofy swift error LimitedLengthFile.seek() not supported15:45
hub_caphas anyone seen this b4?15:45
hub_caphttp://paste.openstack.org/show/18172/15:45
hub_capim trying to upload images from glance to swift15:45
hub_cappy2.615:45
mtaylorbcwaldon: ignore that change for a sec15:45
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mtaylorbcwaldon: ok. it should be good now... fixed several things16:34
mtaylorbcwaldon: we properly stick urls into dependency_links where they belong now, rather than stripping off the bit after the # and attempting to install that16:34
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mtaylorhey all - I'm about to land a change that will have most of our jenkins jobs driven from git ... it's been tested and shouldn't be disruptive, but just a heads-up16:59
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bcwaldonmtaylor: can you link me to this change you just referenced?17:11
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mtaylorbcwaldon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7798/17:14
bcwaldonmtaylor: no no, the change to the jenkins job17:14
bcwaldonmtaylor: I'll look at 7798, too, but whats the second change17:14
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mtaylorbcwaldon: oh, that's ... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7610/17:15
mtaylorbcwaldon: but that change itself doesn't fully describe all of the code ... it just adds the rest of the openstack projects into the job filler system17:16
bcwaldonmtaylor: ok, whatevs17:16
mtaylorbcwaldon: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ci-puppet/tree/master/modules/jenkins_jobs/files17:16
mtayloris what you want to look at17:16
mtaylorbcwaldon: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ci-puppet/blob/master/modules/jenkins_jobs/files/templates/python_jobs.yml describes the standard set of jobs all of the projects run17:17
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bcwaldonmtaylor: python-keystoneclient isnt getting installed with 779817:25
bcwaldonmtaylor: since parse_requires is skipping anything that starts with http17:26
bcwaldonmtaylor: and we still have https://keystoneclient... in pip-requires17:26
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mtaylorbcwaldon: right. dependency_links should be picking that up17:38
mtaylorbcwaldon: which is how setup.py should install things that are not actual pypi packages17:38
mtaylorbcwaldon: but you're saying it didn't work fir you?17:38
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* mtaylor would like to announce that we have added pre-approval checks for the projects to jenkins17:48
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notmynamemtaylor: what's a pre-approval check?17:51
mtaylornotmyname: running the gating jobs as informational runs before a reviewer has reviewed the change17:52
notmynameah ok17:52
notmynameis it done automatically on submission?17:52
mtayloryes17:52
mtaylornotmyname: we'll also still run them between approve and land ... but hoping to reduce reviewing churn for folks17:52
mnaserbcwaldon: seeing as today is your review day, may I bother you with this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7643/ -- already code reviewed twice, just needs an approval17:55
mtaylornotmyname: also, all of the jobs are run from templates in git now - so it should be easier for folks to collaborate on them17:55
notmynamecool17:55
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bcwaldonmnaser: looking18:10
bcwaldonmtaylor: if I run 'pip install .', python-keystoneclient is not being installed18:10
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mtaylorhrm. I've never tried pip install . before ... thanks -that's a new test for me18:19
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bcwaldonmtaylor: thats how I've been testing this the whole time18:25
mtaylorbcwaldon: GREAT.18:26
bcwaldonmtaylor: dont you get snappy with me18:26
mtaylorbcwaldon: no, that was honest18:26
mtaylorI like new information18:26
mnaserbcwaldon: tyvm! :)18:29
bcwaldonno problem, had to confer with blamar on correctness18:30
bcwaldonbut it looks good18:30
mnaserbcwaldon: thanks, while i have you here, small code review if you can too -- not much codebase changed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7782/18:30
mnaserwhenever you have the opportunity, then all my pending reviews will be completed D:18:30
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mtaylorbcwaldon: AHA!18:37
mtaylorbcwaldon: I have it! I have learned several new things...18:37
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mtaylorbcwaldon: just uploaded amended changes. lemme know whatcha think18:38
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bcwaldonmtaylor: looking18:42
bcwaldonmnaser: looking18:42
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bcwaldonmtaylor: how do I trigger a pre-merge jenkins run?18:44
bcwaldonmtaylor: or is it automagic18:44
mtaylorbcwaldon: it's automagic18:44
bcwaldon+118:45
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mtaylorbcwaldon: in fact, check out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7798/ and you'll see that jenkins dinged me before you even got to it18:45
bcwaldonyeah, thats why I wanted to ask you :)18:46
bcwaldonmtaylor: huzzah! it worked18:46
mtaylorjeblair: ^^^18:47
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mtaylorjeblair: the pep8 failure here: https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/check-python-glanceclient-pep8/5/console seems wrong18:47
mtaylorjeblair: as in, it's trying to merge wrong things ... but it worked fine for hte merge check job18:47
mtaylorbcwaldon: huzzah!18:47
bcwaldonmtaylor: yeah, that pep8 run says 'no common commits'...18:47
bcwaldonmtaylor: something is jacked up there18:47
bcwaldonmtaylor: but the code looks good18:48
bcwaldonmtaylor: thanks for getting that figured out18:48
mtaylorbcwaldon: I re-kicked it18:48
mtaylorand it worked this time18:48
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mnaserbcwaldon: just to head the right way, do you think it's preferable to make a test similar to this here: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/network/test_manager.py#L271 or on the compute level: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/compute/test_compute.py#L3466 ?18:51
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bcwaldonmnaser: I'd prefer to see your test in nova/tests/network/test_manager.py19:09
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maoyany EC2 API expert here?19:22
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bhuvan_johnpostlethwait: can you please verify patch #6 (7600) is good to be merged? If yes, can you please review/approve it?19:31
bcwaldonmtaylor: I guess your fix needs to be backported to folsom-1, doesn't it19:31
mtaylorbcwaldon: prolly so19:32
bcwaldonle sigh19:32
mtaylorsrrsly19:32
bcwaldonwhat's the point of milestones?19:32
bcwaldonI'm struggling to understand their value19:33
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bcwaldonmtaylor: and I dont think we can actually push any more to folsom-1 since its been release now, right?19:33
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mtaylorbcwaldon: the theory is that they are things that people can pull down and do extra testing on ...19:34
mtaylorbcwaldon: and no, I do not believe they get updates19:34
mtaylorbcwaldon: and yes, I have the same struggle19:34
bcwaldonmtaylor: ok, then I wont attempt to backport this little guy19:34
mtayloryay for less work19:34
rustlebeewe (Fedora) package milestones, and some number of people do test them19:35
mtaylorrustlebee: great!19:35
rustlebeenice to have a "release" to package up, than random snapshots19:36
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mnaserhttps://jenkins.openstack.org/job/check-nova-python27/2/19:46
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mnaserDid Jenkins just fail because somehow it wasnt able to pull the soure?19:46
mnaserIs there a way of retriggering it?19:47
mtayloryeah. looks like it's re-triggered already19:48
bcwaldonI'm a jenkins ninja19:48
bcwaldondont worry19:48
mnaserheh okay okay :p19:48
mnaserguessing bcwaldon checks his email pretty fast :P19:48
bcwaldonI happened to be in there at the time19:49
bcwaldonnot always19:49
mtaylorwe're running twice as many jobs now, so it's possible we might have to tune java crap on gerrit again ... dunno, looking in to it19:49
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mnasersince when does jenkins get trigged on all code reviews21:44
mnaseror is there a specific state where it starts running?21:44
mnasernevermind just saw the mailing list post :)21:46
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