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| zykes- | darraghb: ping | 07:55 |
| darraghb | zykes-: pong | 07:55 |
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| darraghb | zykes-: was there something specific? | 08:00 |
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| chmouel | ttx: ping | 08:40 |
| ttx | chmouel: pong | 08:41 |
| chmouel | ttx: I was wondering if you knew how the pypi releases are managed? | 08:41 |
| chmouel | ttx: i.e: for binding | 08:41 |
| ttx | chmouel: so far if manually-triggered by the CI team (mtaylor). We are still discussing how we should automate it or link it to the release process | 08:42 |
| ttx | s/if/it's/ | 08:43 |
| chmouel | ttx: so I let the CI team managing it, I don't have to create a pypi project or something ? | 08:43 |
| ttx | chmouel: they should handle that for you | 08:43 |
| chmouel | ttx: cool thanks | 08:43 |
| chmouel | mtaylor: any chance to get a pypi release for swiftclient so I can send the removal patch from core swift | 08:44 |
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| zykes- | jk0: ping | 09:50 |
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| hugokuo | https://answers.launchpad.net/keystone/+question/198061 a question about keystone essex | 10:52 |
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| mtaylor | chmouel: sure | 12:24 |
| mtaylor | chmouel: done. review for post-release version bump here: https://review.openstack.org/7665 | 12:29 |
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| chmouel | mtaylor: thanks, how does it work for versioning is there a standard? | 12:30 |
| chmouel | mtaylor: with what the other binding are doing | 12:30 |
| mtaylor | chmouel: not really a standard, we've got an ongoing discussion/argument about the best way to handle it overall :) | 12:32 |
| legkodymov | Hi! Have you calculated data durability for Swift? Swift's 3 copies durability is considerably lower (100-1000 times) than triple mirroring. | 12:32 |
| chmouel | mtaylor: cool thanks, will keep it like that then until there is a decision made | 12:33 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 12:33 |
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| chmouel | mtaylor: on another question what does "Delete Draft Patch Set" button does on a draft change, I can't find documentation anywhere about it? | 12:35 |
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| zykes- | chmouel: if you use 120 tb raw storage with 3 replicas does it only yield 30 tb ish of usable storage ? | 12:51 |
| legkodymov | Should be up to 40 tb | 12:52 |
| zykes- | seems a bit funky though that you need that much raw capacity for that little usable | 12:53 |
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| legkodymov | Yes, Swift should have an option to use erasure codes | 12:54 |
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| legkodymov | So it will be 1.2-1.4 replicas with the same durability | 12:54 |
| zykes- | erasure codes ? | 12:54 |
| soren | Think RAID-5. | 12:54 |
| soren | -ish. | 12:54 |
| zykes- | ok | 12:54 |
| legkodymov | Yes, like double parity or Reed-Solomon | 12:54 |
| legkodymov | Moreover, Swift's 3 copies isn't the same as triple mirroring RAID1 | 12:56 |
| soren | Due to its potential for inconsistencies? | 12:56 |
| soren | Or in terms of durability? If the latter, please elaborate. :) | 12:57 |
| legkodymov | It resembles RAID-6 with 100 drives in one pool | 12:57 |
| legkodymov | or even 1000 drives in one pool | 12:57 |
| legkodymov | If 3 drives fails, part of data (1 partition) get lost | 12:57 |
| soren | Three specific drives, yeah. | 12:58 |
| soren | That'll always be the case, though. | 12:58 |
| soren | Lose a specific set of drives, you lose some data. | 12:58 |
| Daviey | take more care of your drives, if you lose them.. try behind the sofa. | 12:59 |
| soren | Whether it's one whole partition or another less deterministic sample of your data set.. | 12:59 |
| soren | Daviey: I can't. Dinosaurs live there. | 12:59 |
| Daviey | hah | 13:00 |
| legkodymov | I wrote small article about it https://sandbox.google.com/storage/publicforall/3copies.odt | 13:00 |
| soren | Daviey: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1997-09-18/ | 13:00 |
| Daviey | hah | 13:01 |
| soren | I have no reason to question Scott Adams. | 13:01 |
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| legkodymov | Recent patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/6845/ heal it little bit, but overally it isn't perfect | 13:03 |
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| smoser | ok. embarrassing question: nova/api/metadata/handler.py, 'class Versions(wsgi.Application):' | 13:07 |
| smoser | how does that get hooked up to get the request for / in a metadata request? | 13:07 |
| zykes- | Uhm, soren question regarding nova and QuantumManager | 13:07 |
| zykes- | When a VM is deleted should the fixed_ip only be updated to allocated = False ? | 13:08 |
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| smoser | ah. is see it now. don' tknow how it eluded me before. | 13:10 |
| smoser | ./etc/nova/api-paste.ini | 13:11 |
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| bcwaldon | eglynn: this is an important one -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7654/ | 13:11 |
| bcwaldon | eglynn: I dropped the ball on one integration point | 13:12 |
| bcwaldon | eglynn: that fixes it | 13:12 |
| zykes- | or any other nova / netstack dev. | 13:15 |
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| zul | jeblair: ping | 13:21 |
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| eglynn | bcwaldon: looking now ... | 13:22 |
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| zykes- | vishy: ping | 13:30 |
| davidha | notmyname: hi, I have a question about the current test (and support) of utf8 metadata KEYs (my Q is about the keys not the vals) | 13:38 |
| davidha | The way it is done today seem to violate the standard | 13:39 |
| jk0 | zykes-: yes? | 13:39 |
| davidha | AWS seem to not support utf8 keys for teh same reason (anyone knows differently?) | 13:39 |
| zykes- | jk0: is the cpi for bosh usable ? | 13:40 |
| jk0 | it boot's instances and all of the calls work | 13:41 |
| jk0 | I've not tried it within BOSH itself though | 13:41 |
| notmyname | davidha: how so? | 13:43 |
| jk0 | zykes-: that being said, it *should* work :) | 13:43 |
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| davidha | Sending non printable ascii in header fields in not standard | 13:47 |
| davidha | notmyname: thats my reading of rfc822 | 13:47 |
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| davidha | notmyname: also note that httpd (and apperently ngnix woudl not allow such headers go through) | 13:47 |
| davidha | notmyname: and boto does not support it either | 13:48 |
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| notmyname | davidha: the data in headers should be `quote(data.encode('utf8'))`, but I'm not sure that we require this in swift (should, not must) | 13:49 |
| notmyname | davidha: the above is not from a spec, but experience with swift | 13:49 |
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| davidha | notmyname: I assume Swift API should conform tyo RFC2616 standard | 13:50 |
| notmyname | IOW, url-quoted utf8 is the way data should be sent. we require that for things on the URL (account, container, object names), but I don't remember if swift requires it on other header key/values | 13:50 |
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| notmyname | davidha: ya, rfc 2616 is the goal | 13:50 |
| davidha | notmyname: There is a test in the test suite that tests sending non ascii printables as header field and value - I think teh part about header field should be removed | 13:51 |
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| davidha | notmyname: I will send an emailwith the details | 13:52 |
| notmyname | davidha: patches welcome ;-) | 13:52 |
| notmyname | davidha: ya, I'd like to see where it violates a spec and what the impact would be for existing clusters (ie is there a migration path, etc) | 13:53 |
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| davidha | notmyname: Ok. So email and later if all well, a patch | 13:54 |
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| mtaylor | chmouel: I _believe_ it will delete the patch out of gerrit completely | 14:01 |
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| zykes- | jk0: got a example for the .yml ? | 14:11 |
| zykes- | for mini bosh | 14:11 |
| zykes- | I can be your labrat | 14:11 |
| jk0 | zykes-: https://gist.github.com/2769329 | 14:12 |
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| jk0 | zykes-: https://gist.github.com/2762925 | 14:13 |
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| zykes- | what's the last for jk0 ? | 14:32 |
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| zykes- | I basically want ot use a microbosh to deploy bosh | 14:33 |
| zykes- | to then deploy CF | 14:33 |
| jk0 | zykes-: testing the console | 14:33 |
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| zykes- | jk0: does it work for micro bosh ? | 14:37 |
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| jeblair | zul: pong | 14:41 |
| zul | jeblair: hey can we get tarballs for cinderclient as well? | 14:42 |
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| jeblair | zul: there's a job; i'm looking at what's wrong | 14:46 |
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| zul | jeblair: cool thanks | 14:47 |
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| ewindisch | is cinder talking on its own mailing list? | 15:03 |
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| zul | anyone up for some questions about cinder? | 15:40 |
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| ttx | zul: jgriffith is your man | 15:55 |
| jgriffith | ttx: zul: whats up? | 15:56 |
| zul | jgriffith: i was just looking at the devstack review for cinder and cinder-volume is the only thing that is need to run it? | 15:56 |
| jgriffith | zul: cinder and python-cinderclient | 15:57 |
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| zul | jgriffith: right so can we get rid of the extra binaries like cinder-api cinder-scheduler, etc | 15:57 |
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| jgriffith | zul: Oh, I see what you're saying | 15:58 |
| jgriffith | zul: We're still going to want some of those as well | 15:58 |
| zul | jgriffith: why? | 15:58 |
| jgriffith | zul: Right now we're really just ready to use cinderclient to talk to the nova-volume service | 15:59 |
| jgriffith | zul: Once I actually get nova to be able to talk to cinder services I'll likely need the cinder-api etc | 15:59 |
| jgriffith | zul: Although.... | 15:59 |
| jgriffith | zul: You may be right | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | zul: At least to start with | 16:00 |
| zul | because im in the middle of packaging right now for ubuntu | 16:00 |
| zul | and trying to understand it | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | zul: I think for where cinder is at today those could in fact come out. | 16:01 |
| zul | jgriffith: ok do you want a gerrit merge proposal? | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | zul: How difficult is it to get you to add things back in if we need them later? | 16:02 |
| zul | jgriffith: not difficult | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | zul: I'm good with it then. | 16:02 |
| zul | jgriffith: ok expect one this afternoon then | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | zul: Cool, thanks | 16:03 |
| rnirmal | zul: jgriffith we def need the cinder-api... no point in removing it now to add it back later | 16:03 |
| notmyname | chmouel: mtaylor: since we're coming up on swift 1.5.0 (targeted for next week), I'd like to hold off on the client separation until the next release. since it's a packaging change, I'd like to make sure that it all works well without having to manage dependency changes along with the code changes for 1.5.0 | 16:04 |
| jeblair | I'm performing some major surgery to the devstack gate; changes that are approved for the next bit will fail; but i'll retrigger them when work is complete | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | zul: I'd propose leaving them for now, even the scheduler is going to need to be there eventually | 16:06 |
| zul | jgriffith: ergh ok | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | zul: I'll synch up with you later this week and see where we're at with them. | 16:07 |
| mtaylor | notmyname: ok | 16:07 |
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| notmyname | mtaylor: by all means keep working on it to get it ready, but I don't want to support it for 1.5.0. It should still be soon enough in the folsom cycle to let it land and settle for the other projects to use | 16:08 |
| zykes- | vishy: / soren ? | 16:09 |
| zykes- | jk0: ping again | 16:09 |
| jk0 | zykes- | 16:09 |
| zykes- | jk0: have you tested deploying a micro cloud ? | 16:09 |
| jk0 | I have not | 16:09 |
| zykes- | ehm, micro boshj | 16:10 |
| mtaylor | notmyname: yup. totally agree | 16:11 |
| notmyname | mtaylor: thanks | 16:11 |
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| sstent | anyone able to shed some light on this error in horizon? http://pastebin.com/rxiqvHda | 16:14 |
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| zaitcev | I am not familiar with pip-requires. Is it ok to write WebOb>=1.0.8? | 16:50 |
| mtaylor | zaitcev: yes | 16:51 |
| mtaylor | zaitcev: it's just a requirements.txt file | 16:51 |
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| zykes- | koolhead17: ping | 16:52 |
| zaitcev | mtaylor: I know that syntax is permitted, but eventually we'll find an incompatible WebOb. I'm wondering if I should use something like WebOb>=1.0.8&&WebOb<1.3. | 16:53 |
| zaitcev | er | 16:54 |
| zaitcev | WebOb>=1.0.8,<1.3 | 16:54 |
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| koolhead17 | hola zykes- | 16:54 |
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| mtaylor | zaitcev: so far when we've done that, we've just modified the code to require the new version and kept it at >= ... but yeah, we had a >=,< for sqlalchemy in glance a little while ago for a bit | 16:55 |
| zaitcev | mtaylor: Thanks... I think I'll use a bracket, because upstream WebOb's policy is not to be beholden to compatibility. | 16:57 |
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| mtaylor | wow. that's so nice | 17:01 |
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| reed | hi guys, is anybody still working on ATLAS the load balancer? | 17:04 |
| ijw | Can anyone tell me if there's any plans to change the number of interfaces that a new VM gets now Quantum's coming along? Aiui, you get one interface per currently existing network segment when you create your VM, and it seems to me you ought to be able to override that to choose the number of interfaces you want when you do the instance creation in nova. | 17:04 |
| zykes- | reed: i would like to know as well :p | 17:05 |
| reed | maybe I should rephrase: there is a company interested in working on load balancer as a service, I'm wondering whether atlas is where they should go or else | 17:05 |
| reed | zykes-, looking at it, Atlas is java... I wonder if that has to do with the fact that it's not on my radar :) | 17:06 |
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| reed | zykes-, did you contact the uma.goring rackspace or youcef.laribi citrix about Atlas LB? | 17:09 |
| zykes- | me ? | 17:09 |
| zykes- | haven't contacted anyone | 17:09 |
| zykes- | vishy: or sorrison_ ping ? | 17:09 |
| zykes- | or danwent , ehm soren and not sorrison_ | 17:10 |
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| danwent | ijw: check out the --nic option in nova client, which uses an nova API extension | 17:11 |
| danwent | ijw: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/specifying-vm-network-connectivity-on-boot.html | 17:11 |
| zykes- | danwent: hey there, in regards to the fixed ip stuff danwent, how long after it's been de-allocated should it go until it's "cleared" ? | 17:11 |
| zykes- | as in the relation back to the VM is freed | 17:11 |
| danwent | zykes-: this is a nova flag… one sec. | 17:11 |
| danwent | if you're not using DHCP (or if DHCP doesn't release) it should be FLAGS.fixed_ip_disassociate_timeout | 17:12 |
| ijw | danwent: cheers. So I can specify that an arbitrary number of times, then? | 17:13 |
| ijw | (just going to look for myself, anyway) | 17:13 |
| danwent | zykes-: if jusing dhcp, then it should correspond to the lease time, which is config option dhcp_lease_time (120 secs by default, I believe) | 17:13 |
| danwent | ijw: yes, you can speicify it several times. one note though. with Quantum in Essex, requesting a particular IP address doesn't work. You can only specify the network that the nic will be connected to. | 17:14 |
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| zykes- | danwent: I'm trying to set it to 1 minute | 17:23 |
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| zykes- | and restart nova-network | 17:23 |
| zykes- | I had a instance which is now shutdown | 17:23 |
| zykes- | but it doesn't seem like it frees it? | 2012-05-22 10:26:58 | 2012-05-22 17:17:12 | NULL | 0 | 19 | 10.0.1.18 | 22 | 424 | 0 | 0 | 0 | NULL | NULL | 17:23 |
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| danwent | are you using DHCP or not? | 17:27 |
| danwent | that background polling only happens if you're not using DHCP. | 17:27 |
| zykes- | I'm using dhcp yes | 17:28 |
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| danwent | so if the dhcp lease has timed out, but the dhcp hook did not clear the DB table, you may need to do so manually | 17:28 |
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| danwent | this is the old nova IPAM and Quantum won't be using it moving forward in folsom, so we're not really investing in trying to make it easier to use. | 17:29 |
| danwent | still not clear why DHCP did not clear it out in the first place though... | 17:29 |
| zykes- | danwent: shouldn't a ip get picked for use when it has allocated = 0 ? | 17:33 |
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| danwent | zykes-: sorry, in mtg. now. both instance_id must be NULL and allocated must be 0. you can check out the code in nova/db/sqlalchmey/api.py | 17:36 |
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| ijw | danwent: can you specify that you have an interface you don't want to be connected to a network initially, but might wire in later? | 17:42 |
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| danwent | ijw: not currently, but we're looking at adding that in the future (as well as the ability to add a NIC to a device once it is running using hotplug) | 17:44 |
| ayoung | In Eventlet programming, is there a standard way to call out to fork a process? I see we dropped M2 Crypto, but If I need to "shell out" to do crypto from one of the Eventlet servers, I need to do so in a way that doesn't block the whole server, right? | 17:45 |
| ijw | danwent: 'we' Nicira or 'we' quantum-people? | 17:45 |
| ijw | But yes, this is all the sort of information I was looking for, thanks a lot | 17:46 |
| danwent | ijw: we quantum-people :) | 17:46 |
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| ijw | Should I be keeping an ear to the ground somewhere else for quantum gossip, or does it all happen on here? | 17:46 |
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| danwent | netstack list and quantum team meetings (1 hour after start of main openstack meeting) is best place. | 17:48 |
| ijw | okeydokey | 17:48 |
| danwent | ijw: btw, the blueprint is currently unassigned, though I believe some folks from Rackspace were planning to get to it at some point: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/nova-quantum-interface-creation | 17:49 |
| danwent | ijw: if you're interested in working on this, let me know. | 17:49 |
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| ijw | Interested, but probably not capable, just yet - I'm just working out how nova is glued together at the moment | 17:51 |
| ijw | But yes, now I know where in the code I should be looking it might be a bit easier to figure out. | 17:52 |
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| zykes- | danwent: what happens if a user creates and deletes a vm ? | 17:54 |
| zykes- | shouldn't nova-dhcpbridge free the ip then ? | 17:54 |
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| ewindisch | ayoung: in eventlet, you run spawn() to create a new greenthread. This isn't a real process, though. It will need to switch coroutines, which is automatically done via monkey-patched methods, generally standard socket operations. | 17:55 |
| ayoung | ewindisch, yes I am aware | 17:55 |
| ayoung | ewindisch, the question is how to do the equivalent of os.process.... | 17:56 |
| ayoung | os.system | 17:56 |
| ayoung | ewindisch, imagine this | 17:57 |
| ayoung | a request comes in for a token into keystone | 17:57 |
| ayoung | generating that token requires calling openssl <blah> | 17:57 |
| ayoung | meanwhile, the rest of the eventlet servlet would be blocking | 17:57 |
| ewindisch | ayoung: Nova uses subprocess.Popen. There is an eventlet version of this | 17:57 |
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| ayoung | thanks. that is what I was looking for | 17:58 |
| ewindisch | np | 17:58 |
| ayoung | ewindisch, I assume that is a core library call that has been Monkey patched? | 17:58 |
| ewindisch | yes | 17:59 |
| zykes- | danwent: is the lease timed out (is it cleaned up) after a vm is deleted ? | 18:01 |
| danwent | zykes-: yes, I believe it will. | 18:01 |
| zykes- | danwent: sure doesn't seem like this | 18:01 |
| danwent | zykes-: last reply was to your comment from before | 18:01 |
| zykes- | I created a vm | 18:01 |
| danwent | zykes-: yes, lease should be cleaned up when a VM is deleted. still in mtg, can't really talk. | 18:01 |
| zykes- | deleted it right after it spawned, the ip is in a non-free state (instance_id is assigned) | 18:02 |
| ayoung | gyee, is liem Around? Keystone meeting time | 18:02 |
| danwent | zykes-: dhcp will hold onto the lease until the lease expires, even if the VM is deleted. that's how DHCP works. it won't let someone else use an IP until the lease time expires. | 18:03 |
| gyee | ayoung, he's having trouble with the network | 18:03 |
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| zykes- | ok then danwent, lemme try to make a vm | 18:04 |
| zykes- | and delete it and wait 2 minutes which is the default no? | 18:04 |
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| jeblair | the devstack-gate job is running normally now; i retriggered the failed builds | 18:07 |
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| zykes- | danwent: it just doesn't get called the nova-dhcpbridge script when it is supposed to timeout | 18:14 |
| zykes- | what else can it be that affects this? | 18:15 |
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| zykes- | anyone with knowledge of dhcpbridge stuff here ? | 18:43 |
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| zykes- | danwent: or anyone | 18:45 |
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| zykes- | should one use force_dhcp_release with quantum ? | 19:11 |
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| annegentle | anyone know if the intent of the Volume GET v1/{tenant_id}/volumes is meant to be identical to v1/{tenant_id}/volumes/detail? | 19:27 |
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| annegentle | maybe bcwaldon will know? | 19:28 |
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| annegentle | or where does that code live? | 19:28 |
| bcwaldon | annegentle: its identical for now | 19:29 |
| annegentle | bcwaldon: okay, one of those "we can add more details later?" kind of things? | 19:29 |
| bcwaldon | annegentle: it shouldnt have happened, honestly | 19:29 |
| bcwaldon | annegentle: its just copying what the compute api does | 19:30 |
| annegentle | bcwaldon: har. Ok. | 19:30 |
| bcwaldon | annegentle: yarrr | 19:30 |
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| smoser | vishy, around ? | 19:36 |
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| sstent | anyone here from horizon? | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | chmouel: the "essential" things on https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.5.0 are what I'd like to see merged by friday so we can be ready to cut 1.5.0 early next week | 20:30 |
| chmouel | notmyname: ok, will wait for that to get the removal of swift client, will get me time to update the doc ;) | 20:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Verification of a change to openstack/keystone failed: Fixes bug 963098 https://review.openstack.org/7239 | 20:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 963098 in keystone "Keystone isn't acting on consecutive failed logins" [Wishlist,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/963098 | 20:36 |
| notmyname | chmouel: if you want to help out on those reviews, that'd be great too :-) | 20:36 |
| chmouel | notmyname: yeah okay :) | 20:36 |
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| sstent | anyone know why i might be seeing this error in horizon after login? http://pastebin.com/QV7J6FPq | 20:49 |
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| gabrielhurley | sstent: looks like an outdated settings file | 20:51 |
| gabrielhurley | the "dashboard" module was renamed to "openstack_dashboard" for the essex release | 20:51 |
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| sstent | gabrielhurley: as in my local_settings.py? | 20:53 |
| gabrielhurley | sstent: Normally that wouldn't be in the local_settings.py file... what version of the code are you running/how did you install it? | 20:54 |
| sstent | gabrielhurley: current GIT, then created a basic RPM. | 20:55 |
| sstent | gabrielhurley: on master branch atm | 20:56 |
| gabrielhurley | sstent: in your local_settings.py file, what does your HORIZON_CONFIG variable look like? | 20:57 |
| gabrielhurley | https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/openstack_dashboard/local/local_settings.py.example#L14 | 20:57 |
| gabrielhurley | this is what's in the default settingspy file: https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/openstack_dashboard/settings.py#L51 | 20:58 |
| gabrielhurley | that line for "user_home" is what's causing you problems in your setup | 20:58 |
| gabrielhurley | it's pointing to something in a "dashboard.views" module instead of "openstack_dashboard.views" for you | 20:58 |
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| sstent | gabrielhurley: awesome -- that fixed it :) thanks you very much, you just made my day | 21:00 |
| gabrielhurley | sstent: great! no problem | 21:00 |
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| devcamcar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7684/ | 21:24 |
| devcamcar | can we get a review on this devstack / horizon issue? it's holding up one of our blueprints | 21:24 |
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| johnpostlethwait | If anyone from core devstack is around I could use some love on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7684/ | 22:34 |
| johnpostlethwait | Without it Jenkins cannot properly run a review I have up for Horizon. | 22:34 |
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| harlowja | qq, for any nova folks | 23:02 |
| harlowja | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/images.py#L94, why does that flag exist, performance? | 23:02 |
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