| soren | No. | 00:00 |
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| sandywalsh | db.foo() will always return 123, for example | 00:00 |
| soren | No, it's a complete implementation of the db api. It'll behave exactly like and expose an API identical to that of the sqlalchemy driver. | 00:00 |
| soren | No backdoors. | 00:00 |
| soren | No special instrumentation. | 00:00 |
| sandywalsh | how is it different than sqlite? | 00:01 |
| soren | Just another DB driver, backed by python dicts and glue. | 00:01 |
| soren | It's *loads* faster. | 00:01 |
| sandywalsh | ah | 00:01 |
| sandywalsh | ok, that's where I was confused | 00:02 |
| sandywalsh | <thinking of the implications> | 00:02 |
| soren | There are many benefits. | 00:02 |
| soren | Faster tests being one of them. | 00:03 |
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| sandywalsh | almost as fast as a mock | 00:03 |
| soren | Yeah. | 00:03 |
| soren | But this will be more trustworthy. | 00:03 |
| soren | A mock gives you a canned response. My fake will give you a response that is guaranteed to be identical to what the real driver would give. | 00:04 |
| sandywalsh | ok, I can see that | 00:04 |
| soren | So we can rest assured that what our production code gets from the fake db layer during tests will be identical (in nature) to what it would get from the real db driver in production. | 00:05 |
| sandywalsh | but, if I add something to nova.db.sqlalchemy I need to remember to add it to nova.db.soren | 00:05 |
| soren | The db API tests suite that will accompany this will ensure that this continues to be true. | 00:05 |
| soren | Yes. | 00:05 |
| sandywalsh | hmm | 00:05 |
| soren | This is a good thing, IMO. | 00:05 |
| soren | The sqlalchemy driver is a mess. | 00:06 |
| soren | It's just grown and grown. | 00:06 |
| sandywalsh | it's certainly a mix of old and new style sqlalchemy calls | 00:06 |
| sandywalsh | but, this is part of the argument about are we testing the fake or testing the code | 00:07 |
| soren | There are lots of things that are really awkward because it has to fit into an rdbms. | 00:07 |
| sandywalsh | just as if I forget to add nova.virt.xen_conn.do_something to nova.virt.libvirt | 00:07 |
| soren | Then the tests will fail. | 00:07 |
| soren | BEcause the test suite will use the fake. | 00:07 |
| soren | Using this approach we should be *more* sure we're testing the code rather than the fake. | 00:08 |
| sandywalsh | I suppose you could write a test to ensure there's a 1-1 mapping of nova.db.api to nova.db.soren.api | 00:08 |
| soren | (compared to when we're using hundreds or thousands of ad-hoc mocks) | 00:08 |
| soren | Yes! | 00:08 |
| soren | Taht's what I'm doing. | 00:08 |
| soren | WEll.. | 00:08 |
| soren | Not exactly. | 00:09 |
| soren | I'm adding a test suite. | 00:09 |
| soren | DB test suite, I mean. | 00:09 |
| soren | This test suite will be run against my fake db as well as the sqlalchemy db driver. | 00:09 |
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| soren | To ensure they give the same responses. | 00:09 |
| sandywalsh | ok, good enough | 00:10 |
| soren | If you're adding new methods to the db API, and you forget to add it to the fake as well, your tests should fail, because during tests, we use the fake. | 00:10 |
| soren | And any new code you're adding that depends on this new DB api method will of course have tests that rely on said db methods. | 00:10 |
| sandywalsh | yes, that would be a good check (it would be nice if nova.virt.api did the same thing against nova.virt.fake) | 00:10 |
| soren | I It does! | 00:11 |
| soren | nova.tests.test_virt_drivers does exactly that. | 00:11 |
| sandywalsh | ah, is that a recent addition? | 00:11 |
| soren | It exercises all the stuff that a virt driver should expose. | 00:11 |
| soren | I added it in August, I think. | 00:11 |
| sandywalsh | ok ... interesting | 00:11 |
| soren | A couple of days ago, my fakelibvirt module got added, so it now also runs against the lbivirt drirver. | 00:12 |
| soren | Sorry, it's 1 AM, I type really poorly. | 00:12 |
| sandywalsh | well, now that I understand the implementation a little better I don't have any concerns about it | 00:12 |
| soren | The goal is to be able to run this test suite against any virt driver. | 00:12 |
| sandywalsh | I guess eventually we need to push that to all nova.<service>.api layers | 00:12 |
| soren | And this db stuff I'm doing is very much in the same spirit. | 00:13 |
| soren | sandywalsh: I did the same for the image layer. | 00:13 |
| soren | sandywalsh: I'm working through them, one at a time. Right now, I'm attacking db, but it's *big*. | 00:13 |
| sandywalsh | ok ... gotcha. Make sense | 00:14 |
| sandywalsh | so I guess the other gap will be in all the managers and drivers | 00:15 |
| sandywalsh | but, piece at a time, right | 00:15 |
| soren | sandywalsh: Exactly. | 00:15 |
| sandywalsh | cool ... thanks for the clarification. | 00:15 |
| sandywalsh | I'll let you go to bed now ... look forward to seeing it! | 00:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed a change to openstack/openstack-ci: Handle machines that were already deleted. https://review.openstack.org/1884 | 00:26 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 884495 in horizon "UX Improvements: Associate Floating IP - New simple modal" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/884495 | 00:29 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 854104 in keystone "add ability to obscure internal and admin endpoints from standard users" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854104 | 03:56 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 843065 in keystone "--host / --bind-host seem to have no effect ..." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/843065 | 05:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | sanjay-tripathi proposed a change to openstack/nova: Bug#891552 Append the documentation with Nova CLI commands. https://review.openstack.org/1840 | 06:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Yogeshwar Srikrishnan proposed a change to openstack/keystone: Bug #890801: - Changes to support /extensions call. - Removed additional middleware that used to support /extensions call.ie RAX-KEY-extension - Removed related conf file entries. - Removed service extension test as it was no more relavent. https://review.openstack.org/1891 | 06:03 |
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| ttx | vishy, matyalor: I always said there was a short-term business for providing an openstack on lucid distribution. | 07:44 |
| ttx | mtaylor, even ^ | 07:44 |
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| ttx | vishy: the trick is maintaining that "lucid stable version" is not a zero-effort thing as it used to be -- and its lifetime should be around ~1year, until everyone is confident upgrading to 12.04LTS | 07:50 |
| ttx | notmyname: ACK on swift 1.4.4 -- will try to do this today (Thursday) | 07:51 |
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| soren | Is this channel logged somewhere? | 08:24 |
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| markmc | soren, http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-dev/ | 09:10 |
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| soren | markmc: Ah. Ta very much. | 09:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | e0ne proposed a change to openstack/nova: Bug 820059: bin/nova-manage.py VpnCommands.spawn calls non-existant method VpnCommands._vpn_for - fixed https://review.openstack.org/1896 | 12:55 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 820059 in nova "bin/nova-manage.py VpnCommands.spawn calls non-existant method VpnCommands._vpn_for" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820059 | 12:55 |
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| notmyname | ttx: ok. ping me when you do (email preferred today) so that I can send appropriate emails, etc to announce it | 14:24 |
| ttx | notmyname: it's in progress | 14:25 |
| ttx | will upload in the next hour and let you know when it's done | 14:26 |
| ttx | notmyname: hmm, though the PPA failed for some reason. | 14:26 |
| * ttx investigates | 14:26 | |
| ttx | wtf | 14:28 |
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| ttx | soren: any idea what might cause: https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/swift-milestone-ppa/label=swift,series=lucid/17/console | 14:28 |
| ttx | GPG signature fail on PPA upload. | 14:28 |
| soren | Oh, that again. | 14:29 |
| soren | Ignore it.' | 14:29 |
| ttx | I wish I could | 14:29 |
| soren | Did the upload not go through? | 14:29 |
| ttx | 550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ['General error', 'General error', 'General error'] : Permission denied. | 14:29 |
| ttx | Build step 'Execute shell' marked build as failure | 14:29 |
| soren | Yes, I know. | 14:29 |
| soren | Did the upload not go through? | 14:29 |
| ttx | oh | 14:30 |
| ttx | I see what you mean. | 14:30 |
| soren | https://launchpad.net/~swift-core/+archive/milestone-proposed | 14:30 |
| ttx | I ned to ignore the job failure | 14:30 |
| soren | ...has an upload from 16 minutes ago. | 14:30 |
| ttx | ok, will ignore it. | 14:30 |
| ttx | but red balls make me unhappy. | 14:30 |
| soren | bug 798957 | 14:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 798957 in launchpad "PPA Uploads are seemingly (but not actually) rejected" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798957 | 14:30 |
| ttx | it's random ? lovely. | 14:31 |
| soren | Semi. | 14:32 |
| Daviey | ttx: Lets produce some stats and look for trends :) | 14:33 |
| * ttx <3 his upload_release script | 14:36 | |
| notmyname | ttx: cool, does that mean it's done? :-) | 14:39 |
| ttx | notmyname: the tarball is uploaded. I'm publishing to PPAs now. | 14:39 |
| ttx | (just a matter of reuploading with correct version, thanks to soren's magic scripts) | 14:40 |
| ttx | notmyname: so yes, you can send out announcements. | 14:40 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/swift/essex/1.4.4 | 14:40 |
| notmyname | ttx: thanks. I'll get it done today | 14:41 |
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| ttx | notmyname: by the time you do that, ubuntu packages for 1.4.4 should be available at: https://launchpad.net/~swift-core/+archive/release | 14:43 |
| ttx | soren: the error is persistently random. reupload_with_new_version.py hits it for every series. | 14:44 |
| ttx | I'll go to the bottom of it, though :) | 14:44 |
| soren | ttx: I'm sure lifeless would love to talk to you abuot it. | 14:44 |
| soren | ttx: Or me or whomever. | 14:45 |
| ttx | I'm sure lifeless should be sleeping now. | 14:45 |
| soren | ttx: It's just 2 AM at his place. | 14:45 |
| soren | Yeah. | 14:45 |
| ttx | I bet the loadbalancer on ppa.launchpad.net has decided that my IP must be routed to the failing node. | 14:46 |
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| notmyname | ttx: thanks. I've blasted everything out on email, twitter, and google+. | 15:33 |
| ttx | yay | 15:35 |
| ttx | will retweet, +1 etc. | 15:35 |
| Daviey | ttx: is swift still not following the openstack core projects release schedule? | 15:35 |
| notmyname | Daviey: all projects have the freedom to do whatever release schedule they want between the 6-month cycle of openstack | 15:36 |
| notmyname | since swift is in a different part of the lifecycle than the other projects, we choose a schedule that makes the most sense for us | 15:37 |
| Daviey | notmyname: will it ever be aligned? | 15:37 |
| notmyname | Daviey: all projects are aligned every 6 months. that's the only requirement for openstack projects | 15:37 |
| Daviey | right, but i think you are missing what i am saying. Do you think the stability lifecycle will ever be that of the other projects, whcih follow the same milestones? | 15:38 |
| notmyname | perhaps. I think that's up to those projects, though. I don't anticipate swift changing it's release schedule. there are several advantages that we don't want to give up right now | 15:40 |
| Daviey | notmyname: What are the advantages? | 15:41 |
| notmyname | we are very closely aligned with the rackspace cloud files product. we make swift releases when it makes sense for cloud files (or when other deployers need a release). this gives the advantage of being able to say that each of our releases are running on the largest swift clusters in the world. we don't have to have different release cycles for the rackspace product and the open source project. | 15:43 |
| notmyname | as other large deployers come online, we are able to coordinate swift releases so that these deployers don't have to maintain their own versions and/or patch queues | 15:44 |
| notmyname | one example of another large deployer is HP | 15:44 |
| Daviey | notmyname: Hmm, It does seem kinda odd that the release schedule is tied to a company, rather than the project. | 15:45 |
| Daviey | I'm finding it quite confusing. | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Brad Hall proposed a change to openstack/nova: Fix for bug 894431 https://review.openstack.org/1897 | 15:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 894431 in nova "linux_net ovsinterfacedriver is setting the wrong iface-id" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894431 | 15:45 |
| Daviey | notmyname: Where can i find the release schedule for swift? | 15:45 |
| reidrac | in fact I'd like we had swift releases more often so I wouldn't have to maintain local patches | 15:46 |
| notmyname | Daviey: we do feature-based releases, so the next release is always "when it's needed and when it's ready" | 15:46 |
| Daviey | notmyname: swift is *feature* based release? I thought openstack core was all time based? | 15:47 |
| Daviey | So at Essex release, openstack gets what it is given as the most current swift release? | 15:47 |
| notmyname | reidrac: since the cactus release, we have averaged a release every 4-6 weeks | 15:47 |
| Daviey | notmyname: I thought they were being aligned this cycle. :/ | 15:47 |
| notmyname | Daviey: correct. the 6 month openstack releases are time based | 15:47 |
| notmyname | but what happens between the 6 month releases is up to each project | 15:48 |
| reidrac | notmyname: and it's close to perfect, but still... the fact there's no stable release and backport of the fixes means than waiting for a release can be a bad idea | 15:48 |
| Daviey | notmyname: right, so the other projects are expected to just use the most recent swift release and make do, tagging it essex? | 15:48 |
| notmyname | reidrac: not sure I follow. there is a diablo branch that ttx et al have for swift. are there issues that need to be backported? | 15:49 |
| reidrac | notmyname: I can't say right now, I'm running 1.4.3 | 15:49 |
| notmyname | reidrac: the difference is that we offer guarantees about the mid-openstack releases we make | 15:50 |
| notmyname | Daviey: you can either use the most recent swift release or target the previous openstack release. this isn't any different than any other openstack project | 15:51 |
| Daviey | notmyname: You can confirm that as it currently stands, Swift is sticking to a release schedule to match RAX's feature requirements, irrelvant of the time around it - providing there is /something/ stable at Essex release point? | 15:51 |
| * ttx reads backlog | 15:51 | |
| notmyname | Daviey: swift is doing feature-based releases. each release will be production-ready and able to upgraded to with no customer downtime. the 6 month openstack cycle takes the last swift release as the version for that cycle | 15:53 |
| Daviey | I guess that is a 'yes', ok - thanks. | 15:54 |
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| notmyname | Daviey: currently, all of the core swift devs work for rackspace. therefore that's the use case we see every day. I'm currently working on getting more outside core devs | 15:55 |
| Daviey | notmyname: It's not the dev's that concerns me, it's the lack of allignment. | 15:55 |
| Daviey | It's not a concern to me who pay's their wages :).. It's a project management thing, and it's concerning to me. | 15:56 |
| notmyname | Daviey: except that we are aligned every 6 months as required by openstack | 15:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Lorin Hochstein proposed a change to openstack/nova: Fix deprecation warnings https://review.openstack.org/1898 | 15:56 |
| ttx | notmyname: right, my fear is that it's a chicken and egg issue. Having feature-based linked-to-RAX-internal-needs releases actually prevents people from considering to participate strategically in the project | 15:57 |
| Daviey | notmyname: That really doesn't make sense. Aligned to a final release date, just means shipping the most current one that RAX decided to ship. | 15:58 |
| ttx | so you won't (and don't) get significant contributions from other companies, so you don't see the need for changing to something else | 15:58 |
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| ttx | maybe Swift is sufficiently advanced to not *need* other significant contributors, and perfactly alright as-is | 15:59 |
| ttx | in which case I say, yes, your vision is right | 15:59 |
| notmyname | I would say that swift is largely feature-complete, and that's why there is less active development around it compared to nova. that's not to say there isn't a lot to do, but it meets the needs of most people out-of-the-box | 16:00 |
| ttx | ack | 16:01 |
| notmyname | Daviey: for example, particular project (say a web server) doesn't really make releases based on the various distros it's included in. the distros take the last stable version of that proejct when it's time for the distro release. | 16:01 |
| Lumiere | or the one before that if the release was too late in their cycle | 16:02 |
| Daviey | notmyname: right, but this seems to be different to the vision that oenstack had at it's conception. | 16:02 |
| Lumiere | Daviey: if the vision was 'release a bundle every 6 months' then in the end it is the same as Ubuntu, Bring all the stable versions together and test that they work together | 16:04 |
| notmyname | Daviey: I think the biggest disconnect is that swift entered openstack as a complete codebase already in use in production as a product. the other projects within openstack all entered much earlier in the dev livecycle | 16:04 |
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| notmyname | Lumiere: as always the devil's in the details, but ya I agree with that | 16:05 |
| soren | ttx: http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/customisable-bug-listings-in-beta | 16:06 |
| Daviey | Right, i do see your point - and we've found swift to be stable. However, the release management is concerning to me. | 16:06 |
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| notmyname | Daviey: if you need a committed change to be in an official swift version, let me know | 16:08 |
| ttx | soren: holy batman | 16:09 |
| ttx | soren: looks like a large waste of space. | 16:09 |
| soren | ttx: But it's got rounded corners! | 16:10 |
| notmyname | Daviey: if you'd like to follow up more (I'm always interested in feedback on this), feel free to email me (me@not.mn) | 16:10 |
| ttx | soren: they sure are catching up with github. | 16:10 |
| notmyname | right now I'm getting dirty looks from my family for being on the computer on thanksgiving ;-) | 16:10 |
| * soren screams | 16:11 | |
| soren | 1 → 75 of 1097 results | 16:11 |
| ttx | notmyname: stay with us, we are your real family. | 16:11 |
| notmyname | ttx: lol | 16:11 |
| ttx | you spend more time with us than with them ! | 16:11 |
| notmyname | ttx: this community does have a lot of the stereotypical family dynamics, doens't it? (is swift the eccentric uncle?) | 16:11 |
| ttx | heh, I wonder who I am. | 16:12 |
| Daviey | notmyname: thanks! | 16:12 |
| * notmyname out (for now...) | 16:12 | |
| ttx | soren: ok, I hate this new bugs view. | 16:13 |
| soren | ttx: I like that fact that it has mor einformation. It's just too sparse. | 16:14 |
| soren | ttx: Much too sparse. | 16:14 |
| ttx | the old one was an efficient use of my screen estate | 16:14 |
| ttx | this one looks like someone abused greasemonkey while being drunk. | 16:14 |
| ttx | and yes, I used abuse grease monkey and drunk in the same sentence. | 16:15 |
| ttx | soren: for example, I'm not sure that telling me that all Nova bugs affect "OpenStack Compute (nova)" and making the listing twice as long just because of that is so great | 16:16 |
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| soren | ttx: Subscribed you to bug 894442 | 16:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 894442 in launchpad "New bug list is much too sparse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894442 | 16:19 |
| soren | ttx: Hm.. | 16:19 |
| soren | ttx: No, nothing. Never mind. | 16:19 |
| soren | I just thought it would perhaps only show that if you were looking at an umbrella project. | 16:19 |
| soren | But no. | 16:20 |
| ttx | it's actually worse when you go for a specific project | 16:20 |
| soren | How so? | 16:20 |
| ttx | on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs : about half you screen is used to repeat "OpenStack Compute (Nova)" | 16:21 |
| soren | Yeah. | 16:21 |
| ttx | then you remove it (it's all about customization after all)... | 16:22 |
| ttx | but each bug still takes twice as much space as it used to. | 16:22 |
| soren | I don't mind the repetitiveness so much. It can be disabled (each piece of infomration can be removed). I mind that each row has two lines. | 16:22 |
| soren | Right. | 16:22 |
| ttx | I commented on the blog post (in moderation) | 16:24 |
| soren | Cool. | 16:24 |
| * soren heads upstairs | 16:24 | |
| ttx | pointing to your bug | 16:24 |
| openstackgerrit | fred yang proposed a change to openstack/nova: Adds trusted-computing-pools support. Implements blueprint trusted-computing-pools https://review.openstack.org/1899 | 16:25 |
| openstackgerrit | oliver-leahy-l proposed a change to openstack/nova: Fixes bug 888649 https://review.openstack.org/1900 | 16:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 888649 in nova "Snapshots left in undeletable state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/888649 | 16:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ewan Mellor proposed a change to openstack/nova: Fix trivial fourth quote in docstring. https://review.openstack.org/1901 | 22:05 |
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