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| openstackgerrit | Lorin Hochstein proposed a change to openstack/nova: Updated RST docs: bzr/launchpad -> git/github https://review.openstack.org/913 | 02:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brad Hall proposed a change to openstack/quantum: Change port/net create calls to take an additional kwargs param https://review.openstack.org/835 | 05:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Brad Hall proposed a change to openstack/quantum: Add the ability to specify multiple extension directories https://review.openstack.org/839 | 05:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Brad Hall proposed a change to openstack/quantum: ovs plugin: Remove reference to set_external_ids.sh https://review.openstack.org/666 | 05:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Brad Hall proposed a change to openstack/quantum: Add code-coverage support to run_tests.sh (lp860160) https://review.openstack.org/677 | 05:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Brad Hall proposed a change to openstack/nova: Fix quantum/melange ipam interaction https://review.openstack.org/914 | 05:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Brad Hall proposed a change to openstack/nova: Change network delete to delete by uuid instead of cidr https://review.openstack.org/915 | 05:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Brad Hall proposed a change to openstack/nova: Add DHCP support to the QuantumManager and break apart dhcp/gateway https://review.openstack.org/916 | 05:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Brad Hall proposed a change to openstack/nova: Change floating-snat to float-snat https://review.openstack.org/917 | 05:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark McLoughlin proposed a change to openstack/nova: Chain up to superclass tearDown in ServerActionsTest https://review.openstack.org/898 | 05:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/quantum: Add code-coverage support to run_tests.sh (lp860160) https://review.openstack.org/677 | 06:21 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/quantum: ovs plugin: Remove reference to set_external_ids.sh https://review.openstack.org/666 | 06:21 |
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| zykes- | does gance have a bug in it's diablo release towards keystone or am I doing something wrong? keystone requires "auth" to be present in the body of the request and glance doesn't send it ? | 08:28 |
| zykes- | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/stable/diablo/keystone/logic/types/auth.py < i'm looking at this and comparing it with https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/stable/diablo/glance/common/auth.py | 08:28 |
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| zykes- | jaypipes: or any keystoner her ? | 09:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark McLoughlin proposed a change to openstack/nova: Start switching from gflags to optparse https://review.openstack.org/900 | 11:10 |
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| zykes- | why not use argparse instead ? thought that was newer | 11:17 |
| superbobry | yeah, optparse is deprecated | 11:22 |
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| ttx | zykes-: note that a diablo-stable branch should be created soon with post-release fixes going in | 12:07 |
| ttx | (maintained by a stable updates team) | 12:07 |
| Daviey | How can i search for a bug branch in gerrit? | 12:14 |
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| jeblair | Daviey: https://review.openstack.org/#q,topic:bug/755916,n,z | 12:24 |
| jeblair | Daviey: https://review.openstack.org/#q,message:856564,n,z | 12:24 |
| jeblair | Daviey: based on feedback at ODS, soon we'll modify the bug hook to update bugs when a patch is proposed (not just when it's merged) so there will be a link in the bug as soon as something hits gerrit. | 12:25 |
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| Daviey | jeblair: awesome. thanks | 12:28 |
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| Daviey | bug 861440, Fix Committed. Not by searching for the bug number it isn't. | 12:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 861440 in nova "test_create_multiple_servers fails on master with venv" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861440 | 12:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Verification of a change to openstack/nova failed: Chain up to superclass tearDown in ServerActionsTest https://review.openstack.org/898 | 13:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/keystone: Changes to support roles and services calls via extensions. Change-Id: I1316633b30c2be07353dacdffb321791a4e2e231 https://review.openstack.org/911 | 14:10 |
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| ewindisch | has anyone updated Vagrant and/or novascript for git? | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Refactoring nova.tests.api.openstack.test_servers https://review.openstack.org/909 | 14:20 |
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| openstackjenkins | Project nova-docs build #1,505: SUCCESS in 4 min 35 sec: https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/nova-docs/1505/ | 14:26 |
| openstackjenkins | brian.waldon: Refactoring nova.tests.api.openstack.test_servers | 14:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Waldon proposed a change to openstack/openstack-chef: Removing old glance.conf file https://review.openstack.org/919 | 14:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/glance: Adds SSL configuration params to the client https://review.openstack.org/190 | 14:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Aaron Lee proposed a change to openstack/openstack-integration-tests: Making run_test.sh python version and directory agnostic https://review.openstack.org/920 | 15:27 |
| notmyname | vishy: why is the nova volume team listed as openstack-volume? the rest are nova-* | 15:27 |
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| notmyname | ttx: is there any way to delete blueprints? | 15:33 |
| ttx | notmyname: I think the closest thing is to mark them superseded | 15:34 |
| ttx | notmyname: or use it for your next creation, since you can change all fields | 15:35 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/keystone: Simplified README https://review.openstack.org/907 | 15:35 |
| notmyname | heh | 15:35 |
| ttx | I bet the non-deletion is a feature in someone's twisted mind | 15:35 |
| zul | mtaylor_: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/libvirt | 15:35 |
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| notmyname | chmouel: are you working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/869235? | 15:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 869235 in swift "user permissions on directories" [Undecided,New] | 15:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Aaron Lee proposed a change to openstack/openstack-integration-tests: Fixing test_images.py to work with v1.1 https://review.openstack.org/921 | 16:00 |
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| lorin1 | How do you search for a string in a commit log in Gerrit? | 16:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed a change to openstack/nova: Redirects requests from /v#.# to /v#.#/ https://review.openstack.org/886 | 16:17 |
| mtaylor | in gerrit? | 16:19 |
| mtaylor | lorin1: go to its gitweb and search | 16:20 |
| mtaylor | lorin1: https://review.openstack.org/gitweb?p=openstack/nova.git;a=summary | 16:20 |
| mtaylor | lorin1: https://review.openstack.org/gitweb?p=openstack%2Fnova.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=some+text ... for instance | 16:21 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/openstack-ci: Document gerrit ACL change for stable branches. https://review.openstack.org/910 | 16:22 |
| lorin1 | mtaylor: thanks. | 16:24 |
| lorin1 | mtaylor: Any chance a link to gitweb could be added to the Gerrit front page? (Or is it already there?) | 16:24 |
| mtaylor | lorin1: not easily - it would be a patch to gerrit - but feel free to file a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci | 16:27 |
| mtaylor | lorin1: you can get to gitweb in gerrit from the gitweb link in any of the changes up for review - which is a gitweb link for the diff for that change | 16:27 |
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| lorin1 | mtaylor: Bug filed. | 16:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Voccio proposed a change to openstack/keystone: Fixes LP844959, typo in Authors file https://review.openstack.org/922 | 16:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed a change to openstack/nova: Redirects requests from /v#.# to /v#.#/ https://review.openstack.org/886 | 16:57 |
| zykes- | jaypipes: around ? and yogirackspace ? maybe you two can anyswer on why glance and keystone doesn't cooperate? | 16:57 |
| jaypipes | zykes-: can you provide some more details than "doesn't cooperate"? | 16:58 |
| zykes- | i think glance doesn't send the correct credentials ? It's missing "auth" in the req obdy | 16:58 |
| zykes- | body | 16:59 |
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| rmk | zykes-: You mean on the command line, right? | 17:07 |
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| jaypipes | zykes-: I think we covered this before... that means you are using a glance client package that is old. | 17:07 |
| zykes- | correct rmk | 17:07 |
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| zykes- | jaypipes: i tried with the newest trunk as well | 17:07 |
| rmk | zykes-: Yeah the diablo trunk does not work | 17:07 |
| rmk | zykes-: Need to pass an auth token via -A | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | Vek: around? hoping you could help zykes- with Glance/Keystone. | 17:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed a change to openstack/glance: Overhauls the image cache to be truly optional https://review.openstack.org/923 | 17:08 |
| rmk | zykes-: The environment variables to pass credentials don't work | 17:08 |
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| rmk | Nor does specifying username/pass on the command line. Only way is auth token. | 17:09 |
| zykes- | rmk: why doesn't it work ? | 17:11 |
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| jaypipes | zykes-: what does env | grep OS_ show? | 17:14 |
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| zykes- | OS_AUTH_ etc | 17:18 |
| zykes- | i can paste you it | 17:18 |
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| zykes- | http://pastebin.com/PCx8vQnk | 17:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Redirects requests from /v#.# to /v#.#/ https://review.openstack.org/886 | 17:28 |
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| zykes- | jaypipes: ? | 17:30 |
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| zykes- | rmk: did you have experience with it ? | 17:30 |
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| jaypipes | zykes-: looks like those are correct... really unsure what is wrong. Vek, can you assist? | 17:31 |
| zykes- | vek's a glance dev or ? | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | zykes-: works on nova, keystone and glance. he did the auth work in glance, along with s1rp_ | 17:33 |
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| rmk | zykes-: yes, actually several of us have run into this already | 17:40 |
| rmk | Someone had a patch to fix it, I don't have a reference to it at the moment | 17:40 |
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| zykes- | that's bad rmk :( | 17:54 |
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| zykes- | rmk: anyway you can dig it up ? | 17:56 |
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| rmk | mtaylor: ping for keystone diablo packages? :) | 18:09 |
| zykes- | hmmms, how can i get the full stack i wonder to work together... | 18:24 |
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| zykes- | noone that knows ? | 18:32 |
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| zykes- | is there none that has setup the full stack of openstack ? | 18:42 |
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| rmk | zykes-: I have it working, what do you need to do with glance? | 18:44 |
| zykes- | rmk: get keystone working.. | 18:45 |
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| rmk | zykes-: It works you just need to pass -A <token> with your glance commands | 18:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Josh Kearney proposed a change to openstack/nova: Only log instance actions once if instance action logging is enabled (now disabled by dfault). https://review.openstack.org/924 | 18:45 |
| zykes- | rmk: yeah and that's a bit contra dictory of what the docs says :p | 18:45 |
| rmk | docs are completely wrong in regards to all things keystone, sadly | 18:45 |
| zykes- | yeah | 18:45 |
| rmk | in the case of glance, it's simply because the code as released for diablo was broken for keystone auth | 18:46 |
| zykes- | but i mean even "new" versions of glance doesn't work with it ? | 18:46 |
| rmk | It works in the sense that nova is able to pull images from glance | 18:46 |
| rmk | and you can interact with glance directly via the -A workaround | 18:46 |
| rmk | Just can't use username/password credentials right now as far as I can tell | 18:46 |
| zykes- | hmmm | 18:47 |
| zykes- | what would one need to do to get it patched ? :p | 18:47 |
| rmk | I haven't tried to be honest, you could attempt pointing at the glance trunk ppa and testing it out | 18:47 |
| rmk | let me see if I can dig up the patch | 18:47 |
| rmk | I haven't bothered patching it myself | 18:47 |
| zykes- | rmk: i've tried even with trunk from github, same problems | 18:47 |
| zykes- | ;p | 18:47 |
| rmk | Just dealing with it at the moment | 18:47 |
| zykes- | do you have swift as well rmk ? | 18:49 |
| rmk | Negative | 18:50 |
| zykes- | doh | 18:50 |
| rmk | It's difficult enough to get this combination going right now -- my threshold for pain hasn't allowed me to look at swift yet ;) | 18:50 |
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| zykes- | heh | 18:50 |
| zykes- | mine hasn't allowed me to go post glance even | 18:50 |
| rmk | The individual projects are fine really, it's once you start trying to get everything to play nice with keystone/dash that becomes troublesome | 18:51 |
| zykes- | exactly, and for a fully fledged demeo i want it to work ;p | 18:51 |
| rmk | yep | 18:51 |
| rmk | I hear you | 18:51 |
| rmk | Why are you concerned about glance though? It does work, just not with username/password auth. | 18:52 |
| rmk | Try passing it your auth token directly like I suggested. | 18:52 |
| zykes- | i just want it to work :) | 18:52 |
| rmk | Work with OPENSTACK environment variables? Define the definition of work. | 18:53 |
| zykes- | correct ;P | 18:53 |
| zykes- | or blah, i'll just go ./care for now and carry on with other stuff instead | 18:53 |
| rmk | Yeah not worth worrying about this since the workaround is fine really. | 18:54 |
| rmk | Not ideal but tolerable for now. | 18:54 |
| zykes- | which order should one do it really ? keystone > swift > glance > quantum > nova > dashboard ? | 18:54 |
| dolphm | how long has devstack worked on rackspace's Cloud Servers? | 18:55 |
| rmk | I've only done keystone, glance, nova, dash -- no quantum or swift | 18:55 |
| zykes- | ok rmk i got swift going at least | 18:55 |
| zykes- | done nova from source or pkgs ? | 18:55 |
| rmk | dolphm: meant to say hi at the conference, I think you were sitting in front of me for the project update talk :) | 18:55 |
| dolphm | rmk: there were a few people i never got a chance to formally say hi to as well :) | 18:56 |
| rmk | And no idea regarding devstack | 18:56 |
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| zykes- | wonder what redhat is using OpenStack for | 18:59 |
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| zykes- | anyone running quantum yet ? | 19:16 |
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| zykes- | rmk: do oyu know what i need to get nova working with keystone ? | 19:18 |
| zykes- | dolphm: you around for a keystone question ? | 19:21 |
| zykes- | the admin_token in different .conf's does that need to belong to a tenant / user with "Admin" or "ServiceAdmin" ? | 19:21 |
| dolphm | zykes-: sure | 19:22 |
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| zykes- | or who can answer that ;p | 19:22 |
| dolphm | that should be a regular Admin | 19:23 |
| zykes- | what's the difference ? | 19:23 |
| dolphm | 'Admin' is basically a *keystone* 'service admin' | 19:23 |
| zykes- | and serviceadmin si ? | 19:23 |
| dolphm | that's a question for yogi | 19:24 |
| zykes- | h ok ;) | 19:24 |
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| vishy | notmyname: only because it was created first and not by me. Also there is some potential of it not being part of nova at some point. | 19:57 |
| notmyname | vishy: the same potential as other teams? | 19:57 |
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| vishy | notmyname: the other teams aren't really things that would split out afaik | 19:58 |
| vishy | notmyname: i don't mind a rename if you think it is best | 19:59 |
| vishy | notmyname: I didn't create the group. | 19:59 |
| notmyname | vishy: just curious. I'm a little sensitive to things that imply openstack == nova ;-) | 19:59 |
| notmyname | I know | 19:59 |
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| heckj | mtaylor: what's the "not working" part with generic packages? | 20:17 |
| rmk | I missed the opening of this debate but it sounds like packaging which has been a near and dear concern. | 20:17 |
| mtaylor | heckj: so, in a generic package - how do you know if you're using vlan maanager or flatdhcp | 20:17 |
| mtaylor | heckj: or mysql vs. postgres | 20:18 |
| mtaylor | heckj: or kvm vs. xen | 20:18 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/keystone: Adding calls to get roles for user as per new format.Cleaning references to old code. https://review.openstack.org/925 | 20:18 |
| mtaylor | unless you start having a whole bunch of meta packages for every architectural issue | 20:18 |
| mtaylor | also, debian packaging is not built to understand cross-machien depends | 20:18 |
| mtaylor | (although juju is attempting to solve that) | 20:18 |
| Daviey | .. which was why juju ws created :) | 20:18 |
| mtaylor | yes | 20:18 |
| Daviey | gah! | 20:18 |
| mtaylor | and once it's solid and stuff, I find it very exciting | 20:19 |
| mtaylor | of course, I can't use it, because it doesn't support rackspace cloud :) | 20:19 |
| mtaylor | so it's kinda hard for me to be a cheerleader yet | 20:19 |
| heckj | So the packages that I used in this writeup: http://www.rhonabwy.com/wp/2011/09/23/installing-openstack-diablo-release-nova-and-glance/, they had an opinion about what to use: MySQL+KVM - I thought that was normal. | 20:20 |
| zykes- | what doesn't support rackspace yet ? | 20:20 |
| soren | mtaylor: It's hardly impossible for a package (be it "generic" or not (Whatever that means)) to have a default setting. | 20:20 |
| mtaylor | zykes-: juju | 20:20 |
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| mtaylor | heckj: it's not | 20:20 |
| heckj | Openstack supports using other databases and Xen, but it's not packaged that way today - that seemed very reasonable to me. | 20:20 |
| zykes- | mtaylor: was ist das ? | 20:20 |
| mtaylor | heckj: that happens to be a choice that Ubuntu made for how they wanted standard UEC openstack deploys to work | 20:21 |
| mtaylor | heckj: but rackspace cloud servers, for instance, disagrees | 20:21 |
| mtaylor | heckj: so we lose the rackspace cloud servers guys and their deployement from our pool of potential package users | 20:21 |
| mtaylor | and that's fine, really | 20:21 |
| Daviey | "nova-compute-xen" | 20:21 |
| Daviey | (already does ship) | 20:21 |
| zul | heckj: yes it is..there is a package for xen | 20:22 |
| heckj | so the racker cloud guys have a sep. set of packages they're using? | 20:22 |
| kbringard | heckj: I'd probably consider changing the bind-address stuff for mysql to be on an internal only management network | 20:22 |
| soren | Yup. | 20:22 |
| mtaylor | yes. I'm just trying to come up with an example of why apt-get install nova-compute doesn't produce a fully working system - anybody want to help me out here? | 20:22 |
| kbringard | but for simplicity sake, that works :-) | 20:22 |
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| soren | mtaylor: It should. If it doesn't, that's a bug and a regression. I certainly used to. | 20:23 |
| zul | again...just make a package as generic/simple as possible and people can use that as a base | 20:23 |
| mtaylor | essentially, if there were an openstack meta package that apt-get install openstack gave me a fully functional single-machine install that would respond to the API test suites, there would be no need for devstack | 20:23 |
| heckj | mtaylor: Wait - I buy that statement - I don't expect "apt-get install" to make a fully working system today, but I did expect it to lay down the files so that I can finish any config changes and tweaks (i.e. nova.conf, nova-manage commands) to make it a working system | 20:23 |
| soren | mtaylor: I can make one for you in an hour. | 20:23 |
| mtaylor | heckj: yes. I think that's reasonable | 20:23 |
| soren | mtaylor: Installing all of nova-{scheduler,api,compute,objectstore} used to get you a working system. | 20:24 |
| soren | ER... nova-network, too. | 20:24 |
| heckj | mtaylor: I might have the "configure from" package script already made actually | 20:24 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: from what you're saying, we are dumping a tightly integrated package-driven continuous integration framework just because we don't have a good metapackage | 20:24 |
| kbringard | soren: of course you'd have to configure stuff with nova-manage for your specific network setup, etc | 20:25 |
| mtaylor | ttx: no. sorry | 20:25 |
| mtaylor | I was trying to answer heckj's question about why installing from packages doesn't get you a fully functional openstack system | 20:25 |
| heckj | mtaylor: https://gist.github.com/090c416a59596512e2de | 20:25 |
| mtaylor | which may have digressed | 20:25 |
| soren | kbringard: If devstack can make reasonable default choices, so can the packages. | 20:25 |
| kbringard | touche soren | 20:26 |
| mtaylor | devstack solves a problem of "I have this code and I want to test to see if it works" | 20:26 |
| mtaylor | there are other possible ways to solve that problem | 20:26 |
| openstackgerrit | sleepsonthefloor proposed a change to openstack/keystone: Fix issues in the ec2 middleware https://review.openstack.org/926 | 20:26 |
| mtaylor | thusfar, none of them have existed in an easily consumable manner | 20:26 |
| rmk | Eliminating packages means I have to do a lot more than just configure openstack. Now I need to figure out how to actually get the proper bits and dependancies for those bits. | 20:26 |
| mtaylor | obviously the same problem can be resolved in any one of 100 different ways | 20:26 |
| ttx | mtaylor: I though it solved I have time on my hands and I'm better at shell scripts than at debian packaging or puppet recipes | 20:27 |
| heckj | mtaylor: we're doing this internally now - I can make a quick update and see if we can include it in devstack.org if that would make your life easier. | 20:27 |
| mtaylor | ttx: we have never had a consistent openstack install that works that wasn't smokestack and driven by ruby on rails and a bunch of chef | 20:27 |
| Daviey | heckj: internally where? | 20:27 |
| mtaylor | heckj: sorry man - don't want to lead you astray | 20:27 |
| heckj | Daviey: Nebula | 20:27 |
| mtaylor | heckj: we're not having a problem with devstack ... although definitely send patches | 20:28 |
| ttx | back to the maintenance issue I guess -- whoever commits to maintain stuff wins. Choosing something maintainable should help, though | 20:28 |
| heckj | mtaylor: already doing that. What I don't have is a "good place" to put this little shell script I just pasted into gist | 20:28 |
| mtaylor | heckj: the problem we're talking about here is "why are we going to use devstack to drive CI instead of just using packages" | 20:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Behrens proposed a change to openstack/nova: Fix EC2 test_cloud timing issues https://review.openstack.org/927 | 20:29 |
| mtaylor | heckj: I think that script and devstack are very similar | 20:29 |
| heckj | mtaylor: I get wanting to use a CI system from source, which is awesome, but I think we would be MUCH better off as a project building from packages | 20:29 |
| mtaylor | heckj: so, that's a whole other thing | 20:29 |
| Daviey | is it? | 20:29 |
| mtaylor | yes | 20:29 |
| mtaylor | because as a package we do not release packages | 20:29 |
| heckj | mtaylor: They are - that little gist is devstack with packages and it's defaults rather than source installs. Same intention - create a quick, runnable all-in-one instance | 20:29 |
| mtaylor | because we decided as a project that we do not want to maintain them | 20:30 |
| jeblair | "baause as a projcet" ? | 20:30 |
| jeblair | wow. lame correction. "because as a project"? | 20:30 |
| ttx | mtaylor: the syable-team might disagree with that | 20:30 |
| ttx | stable | 20:30 |
| ttx | "as a project" | 20:30 |
| heckj | mtaylor: I kinda disagree with that - but maybe I missed the conversation. | 20:30 |
| mtaylor | ttx: no. they are collecting packages, not making releases | 20:30 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: 'released packages' != 'development packages' | 20:30 |
| mtaylor | collecting patches | 20:30 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: what is the point of dev packages if they do not lead to release packages? | 20:30 |
| mtaylor | heckj: I actually disagree with it too | 20:31 |
| Daviey | long term, they no doubt will be. | 20:31 |
| mtaylor | heckj: but it's what was decided | 20:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Aaron Lee proposed a change to openstack/openstack-integration-tests: v1.1 support, again https://review.openstack.org/928 | 20:31 |
| ttx | mtaylor: we said at the summit that we could release point releases based on their work though | 20:31 |
| Daviey | probably the basis for Ubuntu and Debian packags. | 20:31 |
| mtaylor | ttx: could. not would | 20:31 |
| mtaylor | ttx: and there is no policy for doing so | 20:31 |
| Daviey | per commit packages make no sense to be 'released' | 20:31 |
| heckj | mtaylor: I'm honestly not trying to be a dick, but when was it decided and can we revisit that decision, because I don't think it's a good one. | 20:31 |
| mtaylor | heckj: the stable release updates session | 20:31 |
| Daviey | oh rly? | 20:32 |
| Daviey | That was the session i drove. | 20:32 |
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| mtaylor | Daviey: do you not agree that the SRU session decided that we would create a repo that distros could use to collaborate on SRU patches, but that the project made no comittment to actually every releasing anything from that work? | 20:32 |
| ttx | heckj: basically openstack is not a downstream distro of openstack | 20:32 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: yes, erm no.. yes.. I'm not sure how to answer that | 20:33 |
| mtaylor | and that it was decided that openstack was not in the business of long term mainenance of its releases, but that the distos had a vested interest in doing so and would thus shoulder the burden? | 20:33 |
| Daviey | "do you not agree" confuses me, i'm tired. | 20:33 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: sorry man | 20:33 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: do you agree with the sentences I just wrote | 20:33 |
| ttx | heckj: maintaining updates over the long run is costly, and something that distributions actually already do, and do well | 20:33 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: i believe so, yes. | 20:33 |
| jeblair | that's what i heard too; i thought that was one of the more clear and explicit sessions as far as outcomes go | 20:34 |
| ttx | heckj: so during that session we said that we should have a stable branch that help distros doing that job | 20:34 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: ok. so that's what I meant by "it was decided at the SRU session" ... based on that, we just decided a few minutes ago that releasing release packages as the project was irresponsible because there was no ongoing support mechanism | 20:34 |
| mtaylor | BUT | 20:34 |
| mtaylor | that distros do an excellent job of doing such things | 20:35 |
| mtaylor | so I could expect shiny and wonderful packages in oneiric from ubuntu that would be maintained by ubuntu | 20:35 |
| heckj | ttx: I think as a project we're getting incredible value out of having latest/up-to-date packages. I don't think we need to take on the long update sequence, but to drop the latest packages would be a hurt to the project in general. | 20:35 |
| mtaylor | heckj: sorry - I'm going to have to ask that you be slightly more specific | 20:35 |
| clayg | any xenapi users on now? _cerberus_, s1rp_ ? | 20:35 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: yes... but CI'ing via packages != releasing them | 20:35 |
| mtaylor | "lastest packages" is WAY to vague in an already confusing conversation | 20:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Brad Hall proposed a change to openstack/quantum: Swich over to update_{net,port} instead of rename_net and set_port_state https://review.openstack.org/929 | 20:36 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: so, part of CI'ing code is about CI'ing the changes that get sent in | 20:36 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: I should say, the important part | 20:36 |
| clayg | I've been using KVM, but I'm trying out Xen - seeing some weird issues on the compute worker - httplib CannotSendRequest Exceptions? | 20:36 |
| heckj | mtaylor: "latest packags" means (to me) whatever the current release of ubuntu or centos/redhat has as a pre-set default package based install. | 20:36 |
| mtaylor | I'm concerned with testing code that the project owns | 20:36 |
| mtaylor | If I use devstack to run CI tests, both the CI driving script and the code itself are all managed by our CI system | 20:36 |
| heckj | mtaylor: I don't want to assert we'll maintain anything other than the latest release, but that's probably where you or others would rationally assert that as being irresponsible | 20:37 |
| mtaylor | so I'm not testing something external that could break something outside of the control of the devs of the project | 20:37 |
| ttx | heckj: I agree there is value in providing 0-day packages for trunk and milestones and releases. | 20:37 |
| clayg | it feels/looks like the XenAPI session object is being shared between greenthreads and the xmlrpc/http stuff is getting interleaved... that can't be right? | 20:37 |
| ttx | heckj: I just know nobody wants to work on stable updates, everyone is after the latest crack (at least in Nova) | 20:38 |
| rmk | ttx: Which is horrible imo. | 20:38 |
| jeblair | yes, i wish it were not so | 20:38 |
| rmk | There's no single place I can go to get the latest version of Diablo with critical patches/fixes. | 20:38 |
| ttx | heckj: so committing "the project" to deliver credible and usable stable updates is not doable, imho | 20:38 |
| mtaylor | ttx: ++ | 20:38 |
| rmk | I was actually shocked to find out there is no stable release process. | 20:38 |
| ttx | especially if you no longer want to special-case one distro | 20:39 |
| jeblair | i hope that the stable branch may change that. | 20:39 |
| soren | mtaylor: I agree that using something that is managed by the project to do the CI stuff is valuable. I just also think that using something that someone will actually use to deploy this stuff is valuable, too. Why can't we find something that meets both criteria? | 20:39 |
| ttx | jeblair: maybe the stable branch will be so successful they become "openstack" in the minds and hearts of everyone | 20:39 |
| rmk | That's the other issue with relying on the distros. It forces people to use the specific distro shipping the specific version of openstack which is desired. | 20:39 |
| jeblair | ttx: that would make me happy. :) | 20:39 |
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| ttx | rmk: and I was shocked to find out that nobody wanted to work on that. | 20:40 |
| rmk | ttx: wow | 20:40 |
| mtaylor | soren: I am open to discussions about the actual thing, but devstack exists now, and I need to start running integration tests. | 20:40 |
| rmk | I mean let me ask a simple question, what are people running in production environments if there are no stable point releases? | 20:40 |
| soren | Last I checked, packages also exist. | 20:40 |
| mtaylor | soren: and I think "something that someone will actually use to deploy" is what we spun wheels on for the last 6 months | 20:41 |
| ttx | rmk: a distribution. Most of the time, their own. | 20:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark McLoughlin proposed a change to openstack/nova: Point tools/rfc.sh at the right branch https://review.openstack.org/930 | 20:41 |
| rmk | ttx: That's the conclusion I arrived at as well for my company. | 20:41 |
| soren | mtaylor: Only because whenever someone suggests something to use, the response is "no, because someone uses something else". | 20:41 |
| rmk | Really unfortunate. | 20:41 |
| ttx | rmk: distributions are where people that care about updates and stability and bugfixes live | 20:41 |
| heckj | rmk: we're running from the "release" packages (0-day packages) that have been created : https://gist.github.com/090c416a59596512e2de | 20:42 |
| ttx | rmk: I'm not sure I see the value in duplicating their work | 20:42 |
| heckj | rmk: that's missing the "add-apt-repo pap:nova-core/release2011.3" in front of it | 20:42 |
| rmk | ttx: It's not really duplication of work. How else would someone get Diablo on LTS for example? | 20:42 |
| rmk | heckj: That's great if you don't need anything in Diablo fixed at all. | 20:42 |
| ttx | rmk: yes, that's the loophole :) | 20:43 |
| rmk | heckj: Which, right now, means you're not using keystone or block migrations. | 20:43 |
| rmk | Because neither of those work in the final diablo packages. | 20:43 |
| rmk | Among other issues. | 20:43 |
| heckj | rmk: correct | 20:43 |
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| ttx | rmk: in the discussion in #openstack-meeting we said some startup whould make a distro of openstack for lucid | 20:43 |
| ttx | should* | 20:44 |
| rmk | ttx: Also, I don't necessarily want to upgrade my entire distro because a newer openstack is out. | 20:44 |
| heckj | ttx: | 20:44 |
| rmk | Certainly not across large hypervisor/compute pools. | 20:44 |
| heckj | ttx: I don't think that's a terribly rational thought | 20:44 |
| heckj | ttx: I'd see Canonical doing it, or Citrix, but less likely a startup | 20:44 |
| rmk | I can tolerate the downtime associated with package updates but doing a full on distro update every 6 months to be able to run the latest openstack is just not sustainable. | 20:44 |
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| ttx | heckj, rmk: If someone in this project cares enough to maintain those packages in a branch / PPA / whatever and that becomes popular, it's still "the project" | 20:45 |
| ttx | Basically, it's not a decision that was made -- it's just that it's not happening | 20:45 |
| rmk | I'd take it on myself but I've not been a user long enough to do the work right at this point. | 20:46 |
| ttx | this is open source - if you care, do it | 20:46 |
| ttx | I know that *I* personally don't have the time to pull it off, in addition to just releasing plain tarballs | 20:46 |
| ttx | so I feel uncomfortable saying "we as a project will do it" | 20:47 |
| mtaylor | and that's the thing ... I think that number one priority for us to release solid plain source tarballs | 20:47 |
| ttx | saying "someone will do it" doesn't work. Doing it and then saying it exists, works | 20:48 |
| jeblair | that's feedback we got from distros at ODS: openstack should take care of being a good upstream and let distros make packages. | 20:48 |
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| mtaylor | and that is what we're trying to accomplish | 20:48 |
| ttx | jeblair: apparently there is a need for a lucid stable distro of openstack. A need that could be addressed inside or outside the project | 20:48 |
| ttx | by people who care | 20:48 |
| ttx | and have time | 20:49 |
| jeblair | ttx: yes | 20:49 |
| mtaylor | so if we're trying to produce solid source tarballs, we should ensure that we test the code that is in those tarballs | 20:49 |
| mtaylor | other stuff around that is distracting from the thing we're trying to produce | 20:49 |
| ttx | mtaylor: which is different from the branches themselves | 20:49 |
| ttx | (digressing) | 20:49 |
| heckj | jeblair: I hear you, just disgruntled about it - but I suppose if Ubuntu packages from the tar balls, I don't really have anything to bitch about. | 20:50 |
| mtaylor | ttx: well yeah. don't get me started on setuptools not having a distcheck equiv :) | 20:50 |
| mtaylor | heckj: in theory, it should be completely possible to take the tarballs we cut and apply ubuntu's packaging to them | 20:50 |
| mtaylor | heckj: in practice, you are going to run in to the dh_python2 hell | 20:50 |
| mtaylor | heckj: and when you do, please send an angry email to debian for being shortsighted in their managnement of that transition :) | 20:50 |
| rmk | You know what, at this point if dropping distro packages means we have a chance at getting "stable" tarballs, then great. | 20:51 |
| * mtaylor digresses | 20:51 | |
| rmk | If it means neither than I am sad. | 20:51 |
| mtaylor | rmk: if it means neither I doubt I will have a job in six months | 20:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Yogeshwar Srikrishnan proposed a change to openstack/keystone: Moving non core users and tenants calls to appropriate extensions. https://review.openstack.org/931 | 20:51 |
| heckj | mtaylor: thanks for taking the time to walk me through it | 20:51 |
| ttx | heckj: I agree we need to discuss all of this more. Jumping to conclusions might not be the best way to handle this | 20:52 |
| mtaylor | heckj: any time! it's a 'fun' situation, because the line between upstream/downstream can get blurry when we're all friends | 20:52 |
| ttx | as is the line between openstack and... not openstack | 20:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Jason Cannavale proposed a change to openstack/keystone: bug lp:865448 change abspath to dirname in controllers/version.py to correct path problems. https://review.openstack.org/932 | 20:52 |
| heckj | Yeah, I don't know anything about dh_python2, time to do some learning. | 20:52 |
| mtaylor | heckj: I can rant on it for a while - it's a _good_ change | 20:54 |
| mtaylor | heckj: but the way it was done makes it hard to do no-change backports of python packages from oneiric to pre-oneiric | 20:54 |
| ttx | mtaylor: how desperate is the current situation ? Can we survive until UDS and get into brainstorming mode there ? | 20:54 |
| heckj | mtaylor: I take it that it screws backward compatibility though | 20:54 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Point tools/rfc.sh at the right branch https://review.openstack.org/930 | 20:54 |
| heckj | mtaylor: yeah | 20:54 |
| mtaylor | ttx: about what? | 20:55 |
| mtaylor | ttx: or about which thing? | 20:55 |
| heckj | tax, mtaylor: I'm heading to UDS, but I don't know all that much about packaging. More than happy to learn more and get into though | 20:55 |
| heckj | ttx: ^^^ (can | 20:55 |
| heckj | 't | 20:55 |
| mtaylor | heckj: awesome! excited that you'll be there | 20:55 |
| heckj | (can't' type) | 20:55 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/keystone: Moving non core users and tenants calls to appropriate extensions. https://review.openstack.org/931 | 20:55 |
| ttx | mtaylor: the decision on what to produce at which point, and what the CI will use for trunk gating | 20:56 |
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| markmc | jeblair, hey; any way you can allow me propose commits which I'm not the author of to stable/diablo ? | 20:57 |
| markmc | remote: ERROR: In commit 1c8fedc82c4b388b0a3a876a54c7f14d3c2a8342 | 20:57 |
| markmc | remote: ERROR: author email address vishvananda@gmail.com | 20:57 |
| markmc | remote: ERROR: does not match your user account. | 20:57 |
| ttx | meeting starting in 2 min in #openstack-meeting | 20:57 |
| jeblair | marcmc: absolutely, i should have done that already. i will do so for the whole openstack-stable-maint group | 20:58 |
| mtaylor | ttx: at the moment, I have two mandates | 20:58 |
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| Daviey | markmc: You are the proposing author, right? | 20:58 |
| markmc | jeblair, thanks | 20:58 |
| Daviey | ah, if it's easy to do - sounds good. | 20:58 |
| mtaylor | ttx: a) get some form of minimal API-level functional testing in as a part of the trunk gating as soon as possible | 20:58 |
| markmc | Daviey, for this patch, vishy is the author and I'm the committer - gerrit rejects it atm | 20:59 |
| mtaylor | ttx: b) whatever is used for trunk gating needs to be reproducible by devs so that they can debug problems | 20:59 |
| Daviey | markmc: ah! | 20:59 |
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| mtaylor | ttx: in order to implement that at the moment, we will use devstack, because it allows us to get something done very soon to meet (a) | 21:00 |
| ttx | meeting starts now in #openstack-meeting | 21:00 |
| mtaylor | ttx: obviously, it's an open source project, and anything can change at any point in time - so we can ALSo continue to have conversations | 21:01 |
| jeblair | markmc: can you try again now? | 21:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark McLoughlin proposed a change to openstack/nova: Makes sure to recreate gateway for moved ip https://review.openstack.org/933 | 21:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark McLoughlin proposed a change to openstack/nova: put fully qualified domain name in local-hostname https://review.openstack.org/934 | 21:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark McLoughlin proposed a change to openstack/nova: Fix the grantee group loading for source groups https://review.openstack.org/935 | 21:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark McLoughlin proposed a change to openstack/nova: Call endheaders when auth_token is None. Fixes bug 856721. https://review.openstack.org/936 | 21:01 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 856721 in nova "image snapshot creation fails" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856721 | 21:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark McLoughlin proposed a change to openstack/nova: Removed db_pool complexities from nova.db.sqlalchemy.session. Fixes bug 838581. https://review.openstack.org/937 | 21:01 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 838581 in nova "Failures in db_pool code: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '_keymap' or not returning rows." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838581 | 21:01 |
| markmc | jeblair, awesomeness, thank you | 21:01 |
| markmc | Daviey, ^^^ some more for you to poke through | 21:01 |
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| jeblair | markmc: no problem, sorry for the inconvenience | 21:02 |
| mtaylor | ttx: and if we can agree and what and why, then we can move forward with updates/changes to what the CI system is using | 21:02 |
| markmc | Daviey, I'll push them in small batches | 21:02 |
| mtaylor | ttx: it is, of course, an orthogonal issue to publishing dev ppas, which we can also continue to discuss | 21:02 |
| ttx | ack | 21:02 |
| markmc | Daviey, if I'm just cherry-picking patches, perhaps it's fine for you to +2 ? | 21:03 |
| markmc | Daviey, anything other than a cherry-pick, we'd want 2 real reviews | 21:03 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Fix EC2 test_cloud timing issues https://review.openstack.org/927 | 21:03 |
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| openstackjenkins | Chris Behrens: Fix EC2 test_cloud timing issues | 21:11 |
| beekhof | sandywalsh: followup question from yesterday… if you've got multiple schedulers per zone, how are you making sure 2 or more requests dont try to take the the last available slot on a given compute node? | 21:15 |
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| sandywalsh | beekhof, right now you don't. But we're working on adding a reservation mechanism during the scheduling process. | 21:16 |
| sandywalsh | beekhof, so currently, we're over estimating and assuming some will fail | 21:17 |
| beekhof | ahhhh | 21:17 |
| beekhof | btw. i have most of a basic scheduler going | 21:17 |
| sandywalsh | beekhof, but that'll have to change and we'll reserve with a timeout | 21:17 |
| sandywalsh | nice! | 21:17 |
| sandywalsh | looking forward to it | 21:18 |
| beekhof | http://fpaste.org/iipN/ | 21:18 |
| beekhof | should give you a rough idea | 21:18 |
| sandywalsh | cool ... I like it. I think the idea of a hierarchy of schedulers has merit. | 21:19 |
| sandywalsh | can you have a bucket of buckets? | 21:20 |
| beekhof | sure | 21:20 |
| sandywalsh | cool ... otherwise it's the same problem: pick a zone and by the time you pick a host, the landscape has changed. | 21:21 |
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| sandywalsh | beekhof, gotta run ... but keep me informed! | 21:21 |
| beekhof | will do | 21:21 |
| beekhof | i'll push this up to github shortly | 21:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Florian Hines proposed a change to openstack/swift: Add documentation for Swift Recon. https://review.openstack.org/938 | 21:25 |
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| zykes- | rmk: you got a clue on what i need for nova to work ? | 21:26 |
| zykes- | with keystone | 21:26 |
| zykes- | vishy: could i run a nova controller node as a dedicated node ? | 21:33 |
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| zykes- | any Quantum leapers around ? | 21:34 |
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| rmk | zykes-: yes | 21:47 |
| rmk | zykes-: you need the appropriate api-paste and to install the keystone middleware components | 21:47 |
| rmk | Which, right now, I'm doing in such a disgusting way that I feel dirty just talking about it | 21:48 |
| markmc | bcwaldon, could you prod https://review.openstack.org/#change,898 again now that the test is fixed? | 21:49 |
| zykes- | ;p | 21:49 |
| bcwaldon | markmc: yessir | 21:49 |
| markmc | bcwaldon, thankie muchely | 21:49 |
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| rmk | Someone killed znc. Oops. | 21:50 |
| zykes- | :o | 21:51 |
| rmk | zykes-: So, best way really is to grab keystone from git, use the stable/diablo branch and setup.py install it | 21:51 |
| zykes- | ok : ) | 21:51 |
| rmk | That should place everything in the correct places for nova and glance to see them | 21:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Verification of a change to openstack/keystone failed: Fixing issue #843226. https://review.openstack.org/895 | 21:52 |
| zykes- | heh, i'm trying to draft up my idea of starting a dns as a service thing | 21:53 |
| * markmc scratches his head over https://review.openstack.org/#change,900 | 21:54 | |
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| markmc | smokestack failure looks python 2.6 specific | 21:54 |
| markmc | why are we supporting 2.6 again? | 21:55 |
| markmc | and how do I get hold of the exact version smokestack is using? | 21:55 |
| markmc | (without installing Ubuntu :-) | 21:55 |
| * markmc doesn't see anything obvious in cpython hg history which might cause this | 21:56 | |
| markmc | yet, it was reported against 2.6 http://bugs.python.org/issue9563 | 21:56 |
| wwkeyboard | Is anyone here using pythonbrew for testing with different versions of python? | 21:56 |
| f-yang | Is Sandy there for question? | 21:56 |
| wwkeyboard | I'm not sure what the best practice is for switching versions. | 21:56 |
| * markmc looks up pythonbrew | 21:56 | |
| markmc | wwkeyboard, thanks for the tip | 21:57 |
| f-yang | Sandywalsh: question? | 21:57 |
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| zykes- | rmk: have you tested out quantum yet ? | 21:59 |
| rmk | nope | 22:01 |
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| rmk | quantum doesn't have feature parity with nova-network at this point so its use cases are limited | 22:01 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Chain up to superclass tearDown in ServerActionsTest https://review.openstack.org/898 | 22:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Aaron Lee proposed a change to openstack/openstack-integration-tests: test supporting API v1.1 https://review.openstack.org/939 | 22:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Yogeshwar Srikrishnan proposed a change to openstack/keystone: Fixing issue #843226. Changes to throw appropriate faults during token validation. Fixing issue #854929. Changing incorect 'text/json' references to 'application/json'. https://review.openstack.org/896 | 22:09 |
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| openstackjenkins | Mark McLoughlin: Chain up to superclass tearDown in ServerActionsTest | 22:11 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/keystone: Resubmitting change. Fixing issue #843226. Changes to throw appropriate faults during token validation. https://review.openstack.org/896 | 22:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Johannes Erdfelt proposed a change to openstack/nova: Don't leak exceptions out to users https://review.openstack.org/940 | 22:13 |
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| vishy | yay, finally found my way around stupid hotel firewall | 22:13 |
| zykes- | :p | 22:14 |
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| vishy | it blocks ssl traffic on non port 443, so lame | 22:22 |
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| rmk | http://paste.openstack.org/show/2763/ | 22:33 |
| rmk | looks like a bug yeah? | 22:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Waldon proposed a change to openstack/glance: Fixing functional tests that require keystone https://review.openstack.org/941 | 22:40 |
| zykes- | does anyone have some slides regarding swift for infrastructure / architectural presentations ? | 22:41 |
| vishy | comstud: just saw those ec2 test fixes | 22:43 |
| vishy | comstud: very nice | 22:43 |
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| rmk | I've noticed something all across Nova. When any "job" fails, the consumer of said job doesn't report back what happened. | 23:05 |
| rmk | Seems like there should be a results queue, which the scheduler can figure out how to handle at some point. | 23:05 |
| rmk | Whether it's retrying the job, notifying someone, etc. | 23:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Rick Harris proposed a change to openstack/nova: Repartition and resize disk when marked as managed https://review.openstack.org/906 | 23:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Don't leak exceptions out to users https://review.openstack.org/940 | 23:32 |
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| comstud | vishy: Yep.. thanks :) | 23:39 |
| vishy | rmk: yes the main issue is we don't have a concept of "job" | 23:39 |
| comstud | I resurrected an old unmerged branch where I'd started removing sleeps from tests.. when I realized it would fix these random test failures | 23:40 |
| rmk | vishy: I'd say it's probably one of the most significant architectural concerns I have with nova right now | 23:40 |
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| vishy | the orchestration team is supposed to be figuring this out and solving it | 23:41 |
| vishy | rmk: maybe you should join it? | 23:41 |
| rmk | Sure. I'm not a proficient python coder but I've certainly got architectural thoughts on this. | 23:41 |
| comstud | rmk: There's somewhat of a blueprint for that.. although I think it'll be replaced by what the orchestration team comes up with | 23:42 |
| comstud | or modified/enhanced | 23:42 |
| vishy | https://launchpad.net/~nova-orchestration | 23:43 |
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| rmk | Great, joined. Thanks. | 23:44 |
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| openstackjenkins | Johannes Erdfelt: Don't leak exceptions out to users | 23:44 |
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