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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/magnum-ui master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.opendev.org/735833 | 03:39 |
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| flwang1 | brtknr: meeting after 65 mins? | 07:55 |
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| brtknr | morning | 08:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/magnum master: [ci] Fix gate by installing python3-docker https://review.opendev.org/737713 | 08:22 |
| brtknr | flwang yes | 08:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Bharat Kunwar proposed openstack/magnum stable/ussuri: [ci] Fix gate by installing python3-docker https://review.opendev.org/738757 | 08:22 |
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| flwang1 | brtknr: around? | 08:55 |
| brtknr | flwang1: morning! | 08:55 |
| flwang1 | evening actually :) | 08:55 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: sorry i missed last meeting since i was quite sick | 08:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Feilong Wang proposed openstack/magnum master: [WIP] Add master_lb_enabled to cluster https://review.opendev.org/726017 | 08:57 |
| brtknr | flwang1: not to worry | 08:59 |
| brtknr | its been pretty quiet around here recently | 08:59 |
| brtknr | means everything is working :) | 08:59 |
| brtknr | more or less... | 09:00 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: hah, yep, i got the same feeling | 09:00 |
| flwang1 | #startmeeting magnum | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 09:00:20 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: magnum)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'magnum' | 09:00 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: seems just you and me | 09:00 |
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| flwang1 | so i assume this could be a short meeting | 09:00 |
| flwang1 | i saw you added a topic 'build hca in ci', would you like to talk more about it? | 09:01 |
| brtknr | flwang1: just saw an email from spyros | 09:01 |
| flwang1 | yep, just replied | 09:03 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: let's continue? | 09:05 |
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| brtknr | sure | 09:05 |
| brtknr | flwang1: so hca stable tags are currently manually tagged | 09:06 |
| flwang1 | yes | 09:06 |
| brtknr | it would be good to do this via CI | 09:06 |
| brtknr | we discussed this a few weeks earlier | 09:06 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: do you have any idea to do that? | 09:06 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: ah, i remember now | 09:06 |
| brtknr | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735100/ | 09:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Bharat Kunwar proposed openstack/magnum master: [hca] Only build/push stable images if unpublished https://review.opendev.org/735100 | 09:07 |
| flwang1 | but this one can't resolve the issue that we have to manually tag hca version for stable branch, is it? | 09:10 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: ^ | 09:13 |
| brtknr | flwang1: thats right | 09:14 |
| brtknr | but a stable tag doesnt get built if it already exists upstream | 09:15 |
| brtknr | thats the key difference | 09:15 |
| flwang1 | i understand | 09:15 |
| flwang1 | i'm ok with this change | 09:15 |
| brtknr | Cool | 09:18 |
| brtknr | Lets talk about your issue | 09:18 |
| brtknr | what is allow_cross_minor_version_upgrade? | 09:18 |
| brtknr | flwang1: | 09:19 |
| flwang1 | recently, i'm working on a doc about versions | 09:19 |
| flwang1 | for k8s | 09:19 |
| flwang1 | see https://github.com/openstacker/catalystcloud-docs/blob/c246d02362d343b3ae024730b40f59177e17fb4c/source/kubernetes/versions.rst | 09:19 |
| flwang1 | though i know Magnum does support upgrade and skip minor versions | 09:20 |
| flwang1 | but we (Catalyst Cloud) would like to ask user do not skip minor version to avoid surprise (may break api compatibility ) | 09:21 |
| flwang1 | and one of our reviewer was asking if we can enforce it by the service | 09:21 |
| flwang1 | hence why i'm thinking if we can support it and leave the option to the cloud admin if they would like to enable this enforcement | 09:22 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: does that make sense? | 09:22 |
| jakeyip | very informative flwang1 :) | 09:24 |
| flwang1 | jakeyip: are you talking about the doc? ;) | 09:24 |
| jakeyip | yeap | 09:25 |
| flwang1 | jakeyip: thank you | 09:26 |
| flwang1 | our public cloud users are seriously care the version support policies | 09:26 |
| flwang1 | hence why we need it | 09:26 |
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| jakeyip | how are you testing upgrades? | 09:27 |
| flwang1 | we have a pipeline running on gitlab | 09:28 |
| flwang1 | when we publishing a new template, the pipeline will make sure the new version is upgradeable | 09:28 |
| flwang1 | from the n-1 version | 09:28 |
| flwang1 | jakeyip: ^ | 09:28 |
| jakeyip | flwang1: I see. does the pipeline spins up a new cluster with n-1 and upgrade it? | 09:29 |
| flwang1 | jakeyip: yes | 09:29 |
| flwang1 | with our public template | 09:29 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: any thought? | 09:30 |
| brtknr | flwang1: sorry home distractions | 09:31 |
| brtknr | just catching up 1 sec | 09:31 |
| brtknr | flwang1: sounds good to me, shouldnt be too controvertial if its opt-in | 09:33 |
| brtknr | although I slightly prefer the upgradable template proposal | 09:33 |
| brtknr | which would also cover this use case | 09:33 |
| flwang1 | you mean add a new field to cluster template? | 09:34 |
| brtknr | e.g. when you create a new template, you can specify a list of templates that you users can upgrade from | 09:34 |
| brtknr | flwang1: thats right | 09:34 |
| brtknr | this is more similar to other public clouds | 09:34 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: yep, the only thing is, that one will only work for public templates managed by the cluster admins | 09:35 |
| brtknr | it seems inconvenient to force users to upgrade every minor version if there is no reprecussion | 09:35 |
| brtknr | flwang1: surely you can only guarentee SLA for public templates managed by cluster admins | 09:36 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: AKS (and IBM?) doesn't allow skip minor version | 09:36 |
| brtknr | flwang1: maybe I am misunderstanding | 09:36 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: no, you're right | 09:37 |
| brtknr | you mean prevent users from going from 1.14.1->1.14.3? or going from 1.14.1->1.16.1 | 09:37 |
| flwang1 | i know the 'allowed_upgrade_from' field can cover this | 09:37 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: the later | 09:37 |
| flwang1 | 1.14.1 -> v1.14.3 is just patch version | 09:38 |
| brtknr | flwang1: i agree that 1.14.1->1.16.1 should not be allowed | 09:38 |
| flwang1 | we're talking about minor version | 09:38 |
| flwang1 | major.minor.patch | 09:38 |
| brtknr | yep sorry i got confused | 09:38 |
| flwang1 | i just think a basic check is much easier than a db schema change | 09:39 |
| flwang1 | i will think about this again and propose a patch later | 09:39 |
| brtknr | flwang1: you are right | 09:40 |
| brtknr | i dont think we even need a config option | 09:40 |
| brtknr | i am happy to make it the magnum default behaviour | 09:40 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: it's good know you support this idea | 09:41 |
| flwang1 | TBH, i believe it will make our support life much easier | 09:41 |
| brtknr | and lets backport to ussuri | 09:41 |
| brtknr | flwang1: btw do you use terraform with magnum? | 09:41 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: one of our large customer use terraform | 09:42 |
| flwang1 | and recently i'm going to contribute terraform to support the --merge-labels | 09:42 |
| brtknr | flwang1: btw how many clusters do you host? | 09:42 |
| flwang1 | i just get it done in gophercloud | 09:42 |
| brtknr | flwang1: nice! | 09:43 |
| flwang1 | not sure if i can share the info, sorry | 09:43 |
| brtknr | flwang1: ah no worries | 09:43 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: we do have some serious customers are using our k8s service | 09:45 |
| flwang1 | that's why we're seriously caring some features like vesions support, upgrade, ca rotate | 09:45 |
| flwang1 | some of them, private clouds may not really care | 09:46 |
| brtknr | flwang1: https://github.com/gophercloud/gophercloud/commit/f4f6cc9e28463ff34984d79089c5985b5b8df85c#diff-6134db4c32ede6a964dced2d7195db8fR36 | 09:46 |
| brtknr | does that mean merge-labels is true by default | 09:46 |
| brtknr | Ah oops that is just a test case | 09:47 |
| flwang1 | by default it's empty, which means it will be skipped i think | 09:48 |
| flwang1 | i haven't got time to finish the work in terraform | 09:48 |
| flwang1 | anything else you guys want to discuss? | 09:48 |
| flwang1 | brtknr: jakeyip: shall we call this one done? | 09:50 |
| flwang1 | i'm going to close this meeting, thanks for joining | 09:51 |
| jakeyip | nothing from me :) | 09:51 |
| flwang1 | #endmeeting | 09:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Containers Team | Meeting: every Wednesday @ 9AM UTC | Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-weekly-meeting" | 09:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 09:51:18 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/magnum/2020/magnum.2020-07-01-09.00.html | 09:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/magnum/2020/magnum.2020-07-01-09.00.txt | 09:51 |
| brtknr | thanks flwang1 | 09:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/magnum/2020/magnum.2020-07-01-09.00.log.html | 09:51 |
| flwang1 | have a good day/evening | 09:51 |
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| brtknr | flwang1: you too! | 09:52 |
| brtknr | I will see if I can propose a patch in terraform | 09:52 |
| ioni | i'm more interested how do cloud operators handle templates and upgrades | 09:57 |
| ioni | or multiple major versions | 09:57 |
| ioni | you create for each version a template? | 09:57 |
| ioni | v15, v16,v17,v18,v19 ? | 09:57 |
| ioni | and if an update for lets say 1.19.4 is released, you create a new template? | 09:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bharat Kunwar proposed openstack/python-magnumclient master: Show cluster fixed_network, fixed_subnet, floating_ip_enabled https://review.opendev.org/738789 | 11:00 |
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