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| fifieldt | ooh, shiny notmyname | 02:30 |
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| notmyname | fifieldt: I like it | 02:38 |
| notmyname | the problem is I could probably spend a whole day tinkering with making graphs and not notice :-) | 02:38 |
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| fifieldt | graphs are awesome :) | 04:15 |
| fifieldt | I feel like there should be a massive-size print out of this one | 04:16 |
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| dabukalam | Does anyone know how one changes a date on a submitted openstack.org event? | 10:08 |
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| notmyname | fifieldt: FYI http://d.not.mn/nova_contrib_activity.png | 18:30 |
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| reed_ | notmyname, interesting chart :) | 20:33 |
| notmyname | reed_: did you see the one on swift? of course, that's what i'm focusing on :-) | 20:33 |
| reed_ | dabukalam, it depends on where it is published | 20:33 |
| reed_ | notmyname, pretty neat representation | 20:34 |
| reed_ | someone should print them out in large format and mount them on a scroller | 20:35 |
| notmyname | :-) | 20:35 |
| reed_ | so people can scrollo up/down and look for their name | 20:35 |
| reed_ | this keyboard is pretty bad | 20:35 |
| * reed_ can't stop complaining about this new XPS13 | 20:35 | |
| reed_ | mrmartin, forking askbot seems like an option but the question to ask is 'who will maintain the fork?' | 20:37 |
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| mrmartin | so | 20:38 |
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| notmyname | reed_: here's an update that I'm just now doing: http://d.not.mn/swift_cumulative_contrib_activity.png | 20:38 |
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| notmyname | rbowen: cumulative time from first commit to (14 days after) last commit | 20:38 |
| mrmartin | I don't see this problem so serious, the only issue here, that we were affected by two separate things: | 20:38 |
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| mrmartin | a, expired solr version support | 20:38 |
| mrmartin | b, breaking change in askbot which means a single line update in settings.py | 20:39 |
| mrmartin | and it happened due the long waiting time in the queue | 20:39 |
| reed | right, and both are caused by the fact that you tested the patch in April and it's July | 20:39 |
| mrmartin | yeap | 20:39 |
| mrmartin | and it leads into the story that we have limited resources for review | 20:40 |
| reed | that's my point in that comment: this review process is taking too long | 20:40 |
| mrmartin | but I see no short-term solution for this | 20:40 |
| reed | i am not sure that's the root cause | 20:40 |
| mrmartin | this two thing aggregates here | 20:40 |
| reed | i'm more inclined to believe that the root cause is that only 2-3 people can create hiera passwords and spin real machines | 20:41 |
| mrmartin | long review queue and breaking changes in dependent stack and inside the app | 20:41 |
| mrmartin | yeah | 20:41 |
| reed | and they are busy keeping zuul alive | 20:41 |
| mrmartin | exactly | 20:41 |
| reed | so creating websites is not their priority | 20:41 |
| mrmartin | and the point is there, we need at least 2-3 people to maintain the web infra | 20:42 |
| reed | on top of that, there is the issue that askbot is developed without a proper process | 20:42 |
| mrmartin | sure | 20:42 |
| reed | i'd hate to see ask.openstack.org fail | 20:43 |
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| mrmartin | it is the typical example of not relying on operating system provided packages, but relying on latest dev ones | 20:43 |
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| mrmartin | I usually used to eat devs for breakfast doing that in my team, but it is an opensource project and we don't have influence on that aspect | 20:44 |
| reed | it's a mess :( | 20:44 |
| mrmartin | it is not so bad, they just needed to follow some policies | 20:44 |
| mrmartin | and maybe add some automated test to test against maybe ubuntu lts and a centos version | 20:44 |
| reed | right, and people to do those | 20:45 |
| mrmartin | yeah, here comes the governance question | 20:45 |
| reed | I don't think Evgeny is the person who can make those things | 20:45 |
| mrmartin | who is gating the patches for the project, who decides what is going to release | 20:45 |
| mrmartin | the situation here, if you look around, askbot users relying on really old versions | 20:46 |
| mrmartin | and they usually don't think about upgrades | 20:46 |
| mrmartin | the version number here: http://ask.cloudbase.it/questions/ is 0.7.49 | 20:46 |
| reed | right | 20:47 |
| mrmartin | so it was behind my idea to fork it and move the project under the same model we are using for openstack, but doing it alone is not the ultimate solution | 20:47 |
| mrmartin | we need the support of some users | 20:48 |
| reed | maybe the cloudbase folks and fedora may help? | 20:48 |
| mrmartin | I was talking with cloudbase folks in Vancouver, and they were very positive | 20:48 |
| mrmartin | we need to find at least 1-2 large users who interested, and feel the same pain | 20:48 |
| mrmartin | I'm basically against of forking projects | 20:49 |
| reed | maybe infra should offer websites with a separate puppet or use ansible or something where they can delegate powers | 20:49 |
| reed | rbowen, do you guys still run Askbot at fedora? | 20:49 |
| mrmartin | I think this infra cloud should be an opportunity to get some dedicated resources (I mean server and storage) for that purpose | 20:49 |
| reed | forget about infra, put that site on rackspace's account managed by the Foundation (but still keep all the code and deployment automation in git.o.o) | 20:51 |
| mrmartin | anyway, I'm just doing the tests in vagrant to solve this latest brake caused by settings change | 20:51 |
| mrmartin | yeah, but we should use the CI including jenkins and zuul for code review and testing | 20:51 |
| mrmartin | so it's not a trivial split | 20:52 |
| reed | I am coming to the conclusion that infra is ill equipped to manage websites like this one. They're great for openstack development tools and that's their primary objective | 20:52 |
| mrmartin | in an ideal world | 20:52 |
| mrmartin | I like to see a real management dashboard for those sites, a proper sla and monitoring system with alerts | 20:52 |
| reed | cloudfoundry FTW :) | 20:52 |
| mrmartin | and of course a cluster of server, because we are operating cloud systems, and we need to present operational models and examples to our users | 20:53 |
| mrmartin | I was talking about cloudfoundry with Monty in Berlin | 20:53 |
| mrmartin | and he was supportive | 20:53 |
| mrmartin | I was playing with that before, and it is a real solution, if we can properly define the application platforms | 20:54 |
| mrmartin | the other thing, now we have: laravel 4.5, laravel 5.x, silverstripe, django, drupal | 20:54 |
| mrmartin | and I don't know what drives the new webshop | 20:55 |
| mrmartin | so we are operating at least 6 different platforms | 20:56 |
| mrmartin | i was doing that at telenor, we didn't have a DB2 database, but had everything else. | 20:56 |
| mrmartin | the team was maintaining that in 90% percent in there time | 20:58 |
| mrmartin | and we had 10% percent of resource for changes | 20:58 |
| mrmartin | so finally did a consolidation both in hardware and software front | 20:59 |
| reed | yeah | 21:00 |
| mrmartin | the hw consolidation is not a question here, as we have OpenStack as backend | 21:00 |
| mrmartin | need to focus on software components only | 21:00 |
| mrmartin | anyway it was a huge project with a lot blood | 21:01 |
| mrmartin | lot / lot of blood | 21:01 |
| reed | lots of django :) | 21:01 |
| reed | would be better, I think | 21:01 |
| dabukalam | reed: it's on the openstack.org home page - It's the Manchester Meetup - unfortunately it posted twice, and it's the wrong date and I don't know how to edit it | 21:01 |
| reed | dabukalam, some events are automatically imported from meetup.com into groups.openstack.org and from groups, they show up on openstack.org/events | 21:02 |
| mrmartin | dabukalam: I can fix it for you, if it was imported twice into groups | 21:02 |
| dabukalam | mrmartin: that would be great - we have pushed the meetup back to September, so I can re-post it when I have a final date | 21:03 |
| reed | dabukalam, requests for corrections on openstack.org/events are probably treated by shari, you can write to communitymngr@openstack.org | 21:03 |
| mrmartin | but I see no upcoming events here: https://groups.openstack.org/groups/manchester | 21:03 |
| mrmartin | dabukalam: and as I know Shari is in EU timezone | 21:04 |
| dabukalam | perhaps I added it the wrong way - I made that group, but I also submitted it via the "Add an event button" - I didn't realise it pulls from groups :/ | 21:05 |
| dabukalam | but you can find the event if you scroll down in openstack.org/events - It's on August 5th currently | 21:05 |
| dabukalam | I can also send an email if that's the right thing to do | 21:05 |
| mrmartin | reed: so I think we need some consensus regarding the maintenance of those website, including the infra team, Thierry, and Foundation Staff | 21:06 |
| reed | agree | 21:06 |
| * dabukalam hopes he hasn't broken it too badly and apologises | 21:07 | |
| dabukalam | although I did find it strange that it pulls from two different sources | 21:07 |
| mrmartin | I'm happy to lead a team of community infra, but the question comes here, who else would like to be involved? | 21:07 |
| dabukalam | I guess that's because people other than groups need to be able to post events | 21:08 |
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| dabukalam | I'll send an email to communitymngr@openstack.org then, thanks | 21:21 |
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