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| fifieldt | hi mrmartin | 10:24 |
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| mrmartin | hi fifieldt | 10:25 |
| fifieldt | how are you, sir? | 10:25 |
| mrmartin | I'm ok. Just saw your patch. | 10:25 |
| mrmartin | how things going in Asia? | 10:25 |
| fifieldt | :D | 10:25 |
| fifieldt | things are going well | 10:25 |
| fifieldt | just coming out of the relatively sleepy new year period | 10:26 |
| fifieldt | and getting into things full steam | 10:26 |
| mrmartin | nice, we are doing a meetup tonight here, and I'm going to visit the meetup group in Switzerland | 10:26 |
| fifieldt | niice | 10:26 |
| mrmartin | have you seen the membership charts? | 10:27 |
| fifieldt | yes, they are great | 10:27 |
| fifieldt | I'd like to fix some URLs so they are even mroe accurate :) | 10:27 |
| mrmartin | Yes, definietly, try to bring missing data | 10:27 |
| mrmartin | Most of the EU groups is ok, Serbia is missing, but the organizer guy lost in the matrix somewhere, so need to find somebody for his place. | 10:28 |
| fifieldt | lols | 10:28 |
| mrmartin | a bit embarrassing, because he got a travel support to Portland | 10:28 |
| fifieldt | What process are you going through to get group organisers to have admin rights over their group so far? | 10:28 |
| fifieldt | lol,. damn! | 10:28 |
| mrmartin | we have a google spreadsheet to track that | 10:29 |
| fifieldt | of course | 10:29 |
| fifieldt | I mean the actual work in drupal | 10:29 |
| mrmartin | yes we are tracking that, the EU guys who responded there | 10:30 |
| mrmartin | it could be great to create a quick report about this status | 10:30 |
| mrmartin | because the data is there | 10:30 |
| mrmartin | all of the ambassadors registered there, but just a few of group organizers, so we need to nag them | 10:30 |
| fifieldt | can you give my profile some rights so I can play ? ;) | 10:31 |
| mrmartin | and last week we found a bug/missing feature that prevented the login of users who registered during the last few months | 10:31 |
| mrmartin | I can give you an admin right | 10:31 |
| fifieldt | I saw that | 10:31 |
| fifieldt | badness | 10:31 |
| fifieldt | nice catch, btw | 10:31 |
| mrmartin | we solved the quite quickly | 10:31 |
| fifieldt | blowfish grr | 10:31 |
| mrmartin | it happens, this is a typical communication issue between project teams | 10:32 |
| fifieldt | yeah | 10:32 |
| mrmartin | ok, you're admin now | 10:33 |
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| fifieldt | sorry, mrmartin, I got distracted | 11:22 |
| fifieldt | will try now :) | 11:22 |
| mrmartin | ok, I had a lunch meanwhile | 11:23 |
| fifieldt | haha, nice | 11:23 |
| fifieldt | what did you have? | 11:23 |
| mrmartin | it's a local something I don't know the english name, http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sztrapacska | 11:24 |
| fifieldt | looks delicious! | 11:25 |
| fifieldt | I'm noticing many versions with bacon on top | 11:25 |
| mrmartin | a bit much, it is a traditional food from the times when the people not used to sit in the office in front of a notebook :) | 11:25 |
| fifieldt | quite filling I guess | 11:26 |
| fifieldt | so, mrmartin, just exploring here where do you update the roles for people for a particular group. Do you need to disable the JSON sync first? | 11:27 |
| mrmartin | the people need to join to the group | 11:28 |
| mrmartin | first | 11:28 |
| fifieldt | ah, by clicking the Join Us button | 11:28 |
| fifieldt | then you can do it | 11:28 |
| fifieldt | riight | 11:28 |
| mrmartin | and at the administer group tab of the group / people menu item | 11:29 |
| mrmartin | for example: https://groups-dev.openstack.org/group/node/380/admin/people | 11:29 |
| mrmartin | and there you can edit the people and turn on the administrator checkbox | 11:29 |
| mrmartin | so then that user will be an official organizer of the group | 11:30 |
| mrmartin | and you can revoke the access in the same way | 11:30 |
| mrmartin | we could create a FAQ from those questions | 11:30 |
| fifieldt | I get access denied when trying toa ccess that link | 11:30 |
| mrmartin | yeah sorry, it was on the dev portal | 11:31 |
| mrmartin | so try it with prod url: https://groups.openstack.org/group/hungary/admin/people | 11:31 |
| fifieldt | 404 | 11:32 |
| mrmartin | https://groups.openstack.org/group/node/223/admin/people | 11:32 |
| mrmartin | that's the right link | 11:32 |
| fifieldt | 401 | 11:33 |
| fifieldt | ' | 11:33 |
| fifieldt | You are not authorized to access this page. | 11:33 |
| fifieldt | ' ;) | 11:33 |
| mrmartin | you need to | 11:33 |
| mrmartin | if you're an admin | 11:33 |
| fifieldt | ... need to ? :s | 11:34 |
| mrmartin | yeap :D | 11:34 |
| fifieldt | umm, need to what? | 11:35 |
| mrmartin | give me a minute, I'm checking that, because I'm using the 'admin' user and I just assigned you an 'administrator' role | 11:35 |
| mrmartin | maybe this two is different | 11:35 |
| mrmartin | or you need to logout / signin again | 11:35 |
| mrmartin | to pick-up the role change | 11:35 |
| fifieldt | ok, I will try with a fresh browser and everything (though just to let you know, I did get an extra "bar" at the top when the role changed) | 11:36 |
| mrmartin | Are you an group organizer for Australia right? | 11:36 |
| mrmartin | check this link too plz: | 11:36 |
| mrmartin | https://groups.openstack.org/group/node/200/admin/people | 11:37 |
| fifieldt | ok, I have a fresh session in a fresh browser (firefox private tab) | 11:37 |
| fifieldt | https://groups.openstack.org/group/node/223/admin/people is Access Denied | 11:37 |
| fifieldt | https://groups.openstack.org/group/node/200/admin/people works | 11:37 |
| fifieldt | (https://groups.openstack.org/group/node/200/admin/people also works in the old session - so at least we learned that login/logout does nothing to change this role) | 11:38 |
| mrmartin | strange | 11:38 |
| mrmartin | because I can access this: | 11:38 |
| mrmartin | https://groups.openstack.org/group/node/223/admin/people | 11:38 |
| mrmartin | with my user account | 11:38 |
| mrmartin | with an administrator role assigned | 11:39 |
| mrmartin | ok | 11:39 |
| mrmartin | and now? | 11:39 |
| fifieldt | denied | 11:40 |
| fifieldt | also tried with a fresh session | 11:41 |
| fifieldt | still denied | 11:41 |
| mrmartin | and really, I see it in the log | 11:41 |
| fifieldt | :D | 11:42 |
| fifieldt | fun!! | 11:42 |
| mrmartin | yeah, and it is strange, I've the same settings for my user | 11:43 |
| mrmartin | you have two accounts, I've assigned the 'administrator' role to both of them | 11:43 |
| mrmartin | when you login to the site, do you see the black toolbar at the top of the page? | 11:43 |
| mrmartin | oh I got it | 11:44 |
| mrmartin | I cannot edit the Australia group membership with my personal account | 11:44 |
| fifieldt | yeah, I can see the black toolbar | 11:45 |
| fifieldt | tom-fifield-0 is my account now | 11:46 |
| mrmartin | yeah, the problem is that "administrator" role don't have access for everything I see now | 11:46 |
| mrmartin | and I was using the 'admin' account before which is a special user in Drupal | 11:46 |
| fifieldt | right | 11:47 |
| mrmartin | oh, ok, works now | 11:47 |
| fifieldt | got it | 11:48 |
| mrmartin | I give "Administer Organic groups permissions" permission to administrator role | 11:48 |
| fifieldt | you wield magic | 11:48 |
| mrmartin | it's a bit stupid | 11:48 |
| mrmartin | need to review the role's permissions | 11:48 |
| fifieldt | ok - I need to go for dinner | 11:48 |
| fifieldt | more playing after this | 11:48 |
| mrmartin | ok | 11:48 |
| fifieldt | back soon! | 11:48 |
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| fifieldt | mrmartin, I guess the secret is once you have at least one active administrator in a group, you should disable groups.json import for that group? | 12:32 |
| mrmartin | yes | 12:33 |
| mrmartin | we need | 12:33 |
| fifieldt | ok, done for Taiwan | 12:33 |
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| mrmartin | We had a little config problem with the scheduled jobs, I need to manage that with infra, so groups.json import is temporary down. | 12:34 |
| mrmartin | The patch is waiting in the queue, I'll manage that with infra guys tonight. | 12:34 |
| fifieldt | cool | 12:34 |
| mrmartin | Anyway, do you see the new group requests at your profile page? | 12:34 |
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| mrmartin | We have somebody from Vietnam, but they already have a group, do you know this guy? | 12:35 |
| fifieldt | hold on | 12:38 |
| fifieldt | lol | 12:39 |
| fifieldt | another Access denied | 12:39 |
| fifieldt | but not sure if that's supposed to be | 12:39 |
| fifieldt | https://groups.openstack.org/groups/vietstack | 12:39 |
| fifieldt | I was assuming clicking the link to the unapproved group would give me details about it | 12:39 |
| mrmartin | ok, it is the same administrator role issue, because the group status is unpublished | 12:40 |
| mrmartin | can you select the group and click on the publish button? | 12:40 |
| fifieldt | won't that put it on the public site? | 12:40 |
| mrmartin | it will :) | 12:41 |
| fifieldt | yeah, probably don't want to do that | 12:41 |
| fifieldt | it's OK, because I got details about the guy | 12:41 |
| fifieldt | his name is not familiar to me | 12:41 |
| mrmartin | just contains a link to vietstack.vn | 12:41 |
| mrmartin | https://vietstack.wordpress.com/ | 12:41 |
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| fifieldt | so I think the correct course of action is to communicate with him and ask him if he's working with the other vietnam guys | 12:42 |
| mrmartin | they are doing something | 12:42 |
| mrmartin | yeap, who is the ambassador there? The Japanese guys? | 12:42 |
| fifieldt | either them or Tristan | 12:42 |
| mrmartin | I'm doing this France group-split thing meanwhile. | 12:42 |
| fifieldt | cool | 12:43 |
| fifieldt | I really hope they are working together :) | 12:43 |
| mrmartin | I think it is a normal process, if they have large cities in a country. | 12:43 |
| fifieldt | oh, I was referering to vietname | 12:44 |
| mrmartin | oh ok. | 12:44 |
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| mrmartin | this guy was not enlisted as an organiser for Vietnam group. | 12:44 |
| fifieldt | true | 12:44 |
| mrmartin | I drop them an email. | 12:45 |
| mrmartin | Anyway, we can assign ambassadors for the groups | 12:45 |
| mrmartin | the feature is there, and I have a list somewhere for that. | 12:46 |
| mrmartin | and we have a Portland user group in the queue | 12:46 |
| fifieldt | right, yes | 12:48 |
| fifieldt | that one is probably safe to approve. let me write this email and I will take a look | 12:49 |
| mrmartin | I want to rollout a new release, I've some quick fixes in the queue, and some mandatory security updates. | 12:50 |
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| fifieldt | cool | 13:29 |
| fifieldt | btw, speaking of updates | 13:29 |
| fifieldt | when does the group membership report run? | 13:29 |
| mrmartin | every day once | 13:30 |
| mrmartin | it is fetching the data from meetup.com accounts. | 13:30 |
| mrmartin | * if the cron scheduler works well :) | 13:31 |
| fifieldt | :D | 13:31 |
| mrmartin | basically it works, we are in the middle of config refactor for drupal puppets, and caused some minor issue today. | 13:31 |
| fifieldt | cool | 13:32 |
| mrmartin | anyway, some group's meetup.com link not works anymore | 13:33 |
| mrmartin | so need to talk with the group organizers | 13:33 |
| fifieldt | right, yeah | 13:34 |
| mrmartin | do you have some updates about the official group logo? | 13:34 |
| * fifieldt sighs | 13:34 | |
| fifieldt | so, um | 13:34 |
| fifieldt | it's still in the "creative process" | 13:34 |
| fifieldt | trying to find the _right_ logo | 13:34 |
| mrmartin | why don't you send out the drafts for the ambassadors, and we can vote about | 13:34 |
| mrmartin | ;) | 13:34 |
| mrmartin | anyway, we can gather a lot of reports from actual data, much more that you see now in the membership reports | 13:35 |
| mrmartin | analyze group, membership activity. | 13:35 |
| mrmartin | frequency of events etc. | 13:36 |
| fifieldt | so far there are no "approved" drafts :D | 13:36 |
| fifieldt | right yes | 13:36 |
| fifieldt | this is very exciting | 13:36 |
| fifieldt | you've done an excellent job | 13:36 |
| mrmartin | my pleasure, was interesting with a lot of blood :) | 13:37 |
| mrmartin | under the hood we integrated this profile authentication | 13:37 |
| mrmartin | we have a good platform to evolve, for example, bringing in more tools for group organizers and ambassador | 13:38 |
| mrmartin | like speaker availability | 13:38 |
| fifieldt | had a look at the portland UG request | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | it has no URLs | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | so might need a chat | 13:39 |
| mrmartin | http://www.meetup.com/OpenStack-Northwest/ | 13:39 |
| mrmartin | this one? | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | naw, in groups.openstack | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | the request | 13:39 |
| mrmartin | 239 members | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | the requester is not listed as an organiser on meetup for that group | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | so I'm not sure it;'s the same | 13:40 |
| mrmartin | different organizers | 13:40 |
| fifieldt | the OpenStack NorthWest group was always a bit interesting - given there was already a group in Seattle, so I'd actually prefer if it was called the Portland UG I suppose :) | 13:40 |
| mrmartin | they were not included in the original groups.json | 13:40 |
| fifieldt | yup, since it's a pretty new group | 13:41 |
| mrmartin | they are doing frequent events | 13:42 |
| mrmartin | I'll try to do a report tomorrow or on monday, that enlists all of the group and displays the assigned organizers and ambassadors | 13:43 |
| mrmartin | so we can get an overview, who is missing | 13:43 |
| mrmartin | and address them during the next week to join | 13:43 |
| mrmartin | the guy who registered the Portland group, is a member there | 13:45 |
| fifieldt | he's also done a presentation there | 13:46 |
| mrmartin | yeap, but if he is not an organizer, I don't want to give org role to him, need to talk with the original orgs enlisted at meetup.com page | 13:47 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 13:48 |
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| fifieldt | mrmartin, if those guys are making a competing group | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | gotta make them work together | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | it's possible they don't know about each other | 14:46 |
| mrmartin | the Vietnamese guys? | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | or if there is a problem with the other group we need to know | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | yes | 14:47 |
| mrmartin | yeah, but as I know the Vietnam groups is really huge | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | yes, they should be indeed | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | so this could be a group of people who were annoyed in some way by the other one | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | so we should track down why | 14:47 |
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| fifieldt | much easier to do this early on, rather than later | 14:48 |
| fifieldt | otherwise the group will just fail step 3 of the OfficialUserGroupProcess | 14:48 |
| fifieldt | for not being organised/coordinated | 14:48 |
| mrmartin | he wrote that one-of their co-founder is located in Hungary @Ericsson | 14:48 |
| mrmartin | We're doing the user group today at Ericsson office, I'll ask the guys about this. | 14:49 |
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| fifieldt | coolo | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | We need to get those groups to work together and become one group, if the other is still alive | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | we really have to avoid another situation like China | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | where there are 3 competing national groups | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | having read their latest email, I'd suggest that they get in touch with each other, since the leaders appear to be unconnected | 15:06 |
| fifieldt | most likely the other older group guys will be happy to work together | 15:06 |
| fifieldt | it's not about 'control' anyway :) | 15:06 |
| fifieldt | if it is, they're not good group leaders :D | 15:06 |
| mrmartin | ;) | 15:13 |
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| fifieldt | hmm, mrmartin apparently it's not possible to get a count of group members from facebook api | 15:59 |
| fifieldt | that's frustrating :) | 16:00 |
| mrmartin | and the same is true for linkedin | 16:00 |
| mrmartin | vendor lock-in | 16:00 |
| mrmartin | :) | 16:00 |
| fifieldt | gargh | 16:01 |
| fifieldt | group-admin-updatable field? ;) | 16:02 |
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| mrmartin | yes, we can solve the unemployment that way | 16:04 |
| fifieldt | haha | 16:07 |
| fifieldt | Make All The Fields User Updatable! #WebDesign101 | 16:08 |
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| reed | hello folks | 18:30 |
| reed | one more reason to discourage use of facebook and linkedin :) | 18:30 |
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| mrmartin | reed: check the permissions now, I've assigned everything to 'admnistrator' role. | 21:26 |
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| reed | mrmartin, ok | 21:58 |
| * reed checks | 21:58 | |
| mrmartin | I hope it will work, we just found this issue with Tom | 21:59 |
| reed | mrmartin, works | 21:59 |
| mrmartin | basically I'm used the admin user, which have every access without any permission / role setting | 21:59 |
| reed | can I rename the user 'Admin'? | 21:59 |
| mrmartin | and administrator role by default not contained every access. | 21:59 |
| mrmartin | left user admin as is | 21:59 |
| reed | :) | 21:59 |
| mrmartin | it is used by drush and other tools, so nobody can predict what will happen | 22:00 |
| mrmartin | :D | 22:00 |
| reed | rotfl | 22:00 |
| mrmartin | it even had a special uid | 22:00 |
| reed | I won't touch anything | 22:00 |
| mrmartin | the worst thing that can happen, we need to recover from backup | 22:00 |
| reed | there are two tom fifield? | 22:01 |
| mrmartin | yes, because he changed his email address in o.o profile | 22:01 |
| mrmartin | I need to merge his account somehow | 22:01 |
| reed | ah! | 22:01 |
| reed | bug! | 22:01 |
| mrmartin | yeap | 22:01 |
| reed | speaking of bugs, my profile image hasn't changed yet | 22:02 |
| mrmartin | but I think we cannot automatize this merge | 22:02 |
| reed | Notice: Undefined index: #bundle in groups_comment_text_format_alter() (line 39 of /srv/vhosts/groups.openstack.org/slot1/profiles/groups/modules/groups/groups_comment/groups_comment.module). | 22:02 |
| reed | Notice: Undefined index: #bundle in groups_groups_text_format_alter() (line 146 of /srv/vhosts/groups.openstack.org/slot1/profiles/groups/modules/groups/groups_groups/groups_groups.module). | 22:02 |
| mrmartin | when you changed it at o.o ? | 22:02 |
| reed | https://groups.openstack.org/user/63/edit | 22:02 |
| reed | mrmartin, I changed it over a week ago | 22:02 |
| mrmartin | oh | 22:02 |
| mrmartin | I'll check that | 22:02 |
| reed | let me see if it has changed there | 22:02 |
| mrmartin | I need to check mine too | 22:02 |
| mrmartin | check / change | 22:02 |
| reed | it hasn't changed there... so no bug | 22:05 |
| mrmartin | where, at o.o ? | 22:05 |
| reed | right, on o.o | 22:05 |
| reed | so ignore my remark | 22:05 |
| mrmartin | ok, there is an expiration TTL assigned for pictures, as I remember 1-2 days | 22:05 |
| reed | so, if one wants to become an admin of a group, what's the process? | 22:06 |
| mrmartin | he need to join to the group first | 22:06 |
| mrmartin | and an admin or ambassador needs to assign an administrator role for his group membership | 22:06 |
| mrmartin | https://groups.openstack.org/groups/hungary | 22:07 |
| mrmartin | under the 'administer group' -> people | 22:07 |
| mrmartin | the best should be the write a FAQ about those portal related operations | 22:08 |
| reed | ok | 22:14 |
| reed | let's use Ask OpenStack, it's the easiest/convenient way | 22:14 |
| mrmartin | good idea :D | 22:15 |
| mrmartin | I'm leaving now, this day was a bit long, and we had even a user group tonight, if something comes up, drop me an email and I'll check tomorrow. | 22:16 |
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| reed | ok, thank you | 22:19 |
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