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| openstackgerrit | junbo.li proposed openstack/cinder master: Add missing VolumeAttachStatus enum field https://review.openstack.org/563444 | 01:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Yang proposed openstack/cinder master: QNAP: driver fails to create volume and snapshot in some case https://review.openstack.org/563497 | 06:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Yang proposed openstack/cinder master: QNAP: driver fails to create volume and snapshot in some case https://review.openstack.org/563497 | 08:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | TommyLike proposed openstack/cinder master: Collect resource id from RequestSpec parameter https://review.openstack.org/563405 | 08:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kumar Prashant proposed openstack/cinder master: VMAX Driver - Snapshot Time to Live https://review.openstack.org/563555 | 09:58 |
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| vivsoni | hi | 10:16 |
| vivsoni | getting 2018-04-23 11:44:42.285 519110 ERROR oslo.service.wsgi [req-e7c428b6-21bb-4f27-9421-d5e96717fea0 - - - - -] Could not bind to 0.0.0.0:8776 | 10:16 |
| vivsoni | 2018-04-23 11:44:42.286 519110 CRITICAL cinder [req-e7c428b6-21bb-4f27-9421-d5e96717fea0 - - - - -] error: [Errno 98] Address already in use | 10:16 |
| vivsoni | while starting 'cinder api' service | 10:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kumar Prashant proposed openstack/cinder master: VMAX Driver - Snapshot Time to Live https://review.openstack.org/563555 | 10:17 |
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| e0ne | vivsoni: it means that you already have cinder-api running | 11:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Margarita Shakhova proposed openstack/cinder master: Storwize: get list of all volumes for ensure_export. https://review.openstack.org/546489 | 11:12 |
| vivsoni | e0ne: there are 3 controller node.. cinder api was not running on any node | 11:13 |
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| vivsoni | then, i tried to start the cinder api and ends up with that error | 11:13 |
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| lseki | xyang: hi, could you +w please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561367/ | 13:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/cinder stable/ocata: OVO: Fix VolumeType create not bound to a Session https://review.openstack.org/563628 | 13:51 |
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| xyang | lseki: done | 14:34 |
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| lseki_ | xyang: thanks! | 14:35 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | jungleboyj geguileo eharney jbernard smcginnis As suggested in the Cinder meeting some weeks ago, I now put up a spec for deferred deletion in rbd leveraging the rbd trash commands in Ceph Luminous: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562311/ | 14:39 |
| arnewiebalck_ | I’ll put it also on the agenda for this week. | 14:39 |
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| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck_: Cool. Thanks. Will try to take a look before the meeting. | 14:41 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck_: didn't the issue that this spec tried to resolve get fixed with the tpool configuration option? | 14:41 |
| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: adding that option definitly helps, yes | 14:43 |
| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: it’s mentioned in the spec | 14:43 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck_: I think this specs introduces some potentially big issues... | 14:45 |
| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: like … ? | 14:46 |
| geguileo | because like you mention in your spec Cinder expects a specific behavior | 14:46 |
| geguileo | a delete request means that on completion: | 14:46 |
| geguileo | - Space will be available | 14:46 |
| geguileo | - No leftovers will be left on the backend referring to this volume once we remove the DB entry | 14:47 |
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| geguileo | - User used quota = provisioned space in backend | 14:47 |
| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: space: if you run that close to the limit, there is an issue anyway | 14:48 |
| geguileo | It's not running that close to the limit | 14:48 |
| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: leftovers: how would Cinder be affected? | 14:48 |
| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: quota: again, that’s for the admin to decide | 14:49 |
| geguileo | What happens if you request to remove a lot of volumes all within one minute or so? | 14:49 |
| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: in the end, this is all optional | 14:49 |
| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: they would be moved to the trash | 14:49 |
| geguileo | yeah, but considering this optional behavior will go against how any other backend works means that users will NOT use it properly or understand it properly | 14:49 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck_: but the space would not be freed | 14:50 |
| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: correct | 14:50 |
| arnewiebalck_ | for the space | 14:50 |
| arnewiebalck_ | not for the correct usage :) | 14:50 |
| geguileo | and that means that you won't be able to use that space | 14:50 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | that’s true | 14:50 |
| geguileo | and that's the problem | 14:50 |
| arnewiebalck_ | again: I don’t think anyone runs that close to the limit | 14:50 |
| arnewiebalck_ | and if they do, they should not use this option | 14:51 |
| geguileo | suuuuuuuuure | 14:51 |
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| geguileo | because that's how people work ;-) | 14:51 |
| geguileo | There are people sharing the same Ceph pool for Cinder and other workloads | 14:51 |
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| geguileo | Considering that, it is likely that people will use this without fully understanding it and then they'll run into a lot of troubles | 14:52 |
| arnewiebalck_ | if they don’t understand this, they won’t understand other things either | 14:52 |
| arnewiebalck_ | and run into trouble .) | 14:52 |
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| geguileo | not really, because this will be different than any other driver | 14:53 |
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| geguileo | Don't get me wrong, I understand the feature and your use case | 14:53 |
| arnewiebalck_ | I don’t think that people know for instance that the parent volume of clones will be kept if you delete it | 14:53 |
| arnewiebalck_ | and take up space | 14:53 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | until the child is deleted | 14:54 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | I ack there may be implications. | 14:54 |
| geguileo | Maybe not, but that's usually of less significance of deleting hundreds of volumes | 14:54 |
| geguileo | and not having that space available | 14:54 |
| arnewiebalck_ | We had a case this week where it would have been very handy to be able to bring the volume back. | 14:54 |
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| geguileo | Anyway, I won't oppose the feature, since you have a valid use case | 14:55 |
| arnewiebalck_ | agreed | 14:55 |
| geguileo | I'm just not too convinced about it... | 14:55 |
| arnewiebalck_ | Got it :-D | 14:55 |
| geguileo | The spec looks good otherwise (except for a minor nit I'll comment in the spec) | 14:55 |
| arnewiebalck_ | I appreciate you express your concerns and scrutinize the proposal. | 14:55 |
| arnewiebalck_ | What about the regular purge? | 14:56 |
| arnewiebalck_ | We’re in touch with the Ceph team to see if Ceph could clean up itself in case the trash gets too full. | 14:57 |
| arnewiebalck_ | So, you’d have some high water mark and if more space is requested, the trash gets emptied. | 14:57 |
| arnewiebalck_ | No promises though Ceph will accept this :) | 14:58 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck_: even with that it wouldn't help that much, because in the meantime the free space provided by the stat collection would still report the actual free space and that would be used in the scheduler | 14:59 |
| geguileo | but that feature would be cool | 14:59 |
| arnewiebalck_ | we have disabled the stat collection :-D | 15:00 |
| arnewiebalck_ | I agree. | 15:00 |
| geguileo | although I don't think they'll accept it... because you may be using the trash with expiration dates with the idea of being able to recover the data if necessary | 15:00 |
| arnewiebalck_ | actually, there is already a proposal how to do this :) | 15:00 |
| geguileo | I added a feature to partially disable the stat collection | 15:00 |
| arnewiebalck_ | I know, we’re using this now instead. | 15:01 |
| geguileo | glad it's of use :-) | 15:01 |
| arnewiebalck_ | oh, it’s required :) | 15:01 |
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| geguileo | I can imagine given the amount of volumes you have XD | 15:02 |
| arnewiebalck_ | 5680 right now | 15:03 |
| arnewiebalck_ | for the spec, let’s re-discuss on wed, see what the others say | 15:03 |
| geguileo | ok | 15:03 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: about the stats: how does that actually work for shared pools? | 15:11 |
| geguileo | you mean on a pool that is shared between Cinder and something else? | 15:12 |
| arnewiebalck_ | geguileo: Cinder does a df on the pool and compares with the size of all volumes? | 15:12 |
| arnewiebalck_ | yes | 15:12 |
| geguileo | In that case Cinder has to actually calculate the provisioned size | 15:12 |
| geguileo | so it can do the calculation with the used GB | 15:12 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | provisioned means actually used? | 15:13 |
| geguileo | when it's not shared it can just do a simple DB query to know the provisioned size | 15:13 |
| geguileo | no, it's the virtual size | 15:13 |
| arnewiebalck_ | ok | 15:13 |
| geguileo | and in the RBD case the DB query is a lot faster than querying the volumes | 15:13 |
| arnewiebalck_ | right | 15:13 |
| arnewiebalck_ | and Cinder queries the pool size I imagine? | 15:13 |
| geguileo | because you have to N+1 queries to calculate it (where N is the number fo volumes) | 15:13 |
| geguileo | yup, Cinder queries the free size | 15:14 |
| geguileo | and the pool size | 15:14 |
| geguileo | and the quota size for the pool | 15:14 |
| geguileo | if there's no quota it uses the pool size as the total size | 15:14 |
| geguileo | if there's a quota it uses that as the total | 15:14 |
| arnewiebalck_ | is there over-provisioning? | 15:14 |
| arnewiebalck_ | or does Cinder refuse to create in that case? | 15:15 |
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| geguileo | the over provisioning is calculated by the scheduler based on those parameters and the max over provisioning configured in the cinder volume service | 15:16 |
| arnewiebalck_ | ok | 15:16 |
| geguileo | the default is 20 times | 15:16 |
| geguileo | although we now have the option of setting it to auto | 15:16 |
| geguileo | which will adjust the over provisioning based on current ratio | 15:17 |
| geguileo | since this was something that was very hard to adjust when deploying and could change depending on the use | 15:17 |
| arnewiebalck_ | ok, so by default, in a full pool if all volumes claimed their space, it would be 20 times too small? | 15:17 |
| geguileo | yup | 15:18 |
| arnewiebalck_ | that does not seem to cause an issue | 15:18 |
| geguileo | but you can set the over provisioning ration to 1.0 | 15:18 |
| geguileo | I have never heard anybody having an issue using Ceph | 15:18 |
| arnewiebalck_ | it’s thinly provisioned | 15:19 |
| geguileo | because cloned volumes don't take up the space | 15:19 |
| geguileo | yup | 15:19 |
| arnewiebalck_ | still | 15:19 |
| arnewiebalck_ | it supports my point that operators work with some headroom | 15:19 |
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| geguileo | but the scenario you are talking about (deleting hundreds of big volumes) changes things ;-) | 15:20 |
| arnewiebalck_ | yeah, I guess | 15:20 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | but our Ceph backend is also pretty large (>5PB) | 15:21 |
| geguileo | and it seems to be growing every time I attend a CERN talk!!! :-) | 15:22 |
| geguileo | so cool!!! | 15:22 |
| arnewiebalck_ | Cinder is really popular! | 15:22 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | ok, I got to go … thanks for your feedback! | 15:23 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck_: np | 15:23 |
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| zigo | Hi there! Trying to add Debian to puppet-openstack, I noticed an issue when calling openstack volume: | 15:45 |
| zigo | http://paste.openstack.org/show/719756/ | 15:45 |
| zigo | Any idea what's going on? | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Tom Swanson proposed openstack/cinder master: Dell EMC SC: Removed space from debug statement https://review.openstack.org/563678 | 15:48 |
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| smcginnis | zigo: That doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe a cliff issue? | 15:49 |
| zigo | smcginnis: How can I investigate this further? | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | zigo: Not really sure. Maybe check with the cliff team to see if they recognize that kind of error? | 15:50 |
| zigo | dhellmann: ^ | 15:51 |
| zigo | Who else in the cliff team? | 15:51 |
| * smcginnis didn't know Doug was involved in cliff | 15:51 | |
| smcginnis | Not sure | 15:51 |
| zigo | Dean Troyer. | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | dtroyer | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | Hah, yep | 15:52 |
| zigo | I believe Doug is the main author of cliff. | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | that's not a cliff error, it's coming from the resource object returned by the volume command and it's triggered in some osc-lib code | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | my guess is the resource object isn't the sort of thing osc-lib expects to see | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | zigo : I would modify osc_lib/utils/__init__.py to print out what resource is (or use pdb to look) | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | perhaps there's an incompatible version of something in there | 15:54 |
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| Swanson | smcginnis, you can workflow my patch without waiting for gate and or CI, I think. | 15:55 |
| zigo | dhellmann: If I print(resource), I get: | 15:56 |
| zigo | <VolumeType: BACKEND_1> | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: Was just doing that. | 15:56 |
| zigo | dhellmann: What is resource.get() supposed to do? | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | zigo : it looks like it's supposed to be a way to get properties of the thing | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | zigo : what command are you actually running there? | 15:58 |
| zigo | dhellmann: openstack volume type set --property volume_backend_name=BACKEND_1 BACKEND_1 | 15:58 |
| zigo | It just spits: "get() takes 1 positional argument but 2 were given" as return ... :( | 15:58 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, thanks! Irritation patch. | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | zigo : I don't know anything about how the volume commands work, so I'm not sure where that VolumeType class is defined | 16:02 |
| zigo | :( | 16:02 |
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| imacdonn | it's defined in https://github.com/openstack/python-cinderclient/blob/master/cinderclient/v2/volume_types.py | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Would be good to know what object it is working on here. If it's a VolumeTypeManager, this may be the cause: https://github.com/openstack/python-cinderclient/blob/master/cinderclient/v2/volume_types.py#L93 | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | But I find it odd it says two arguments are given. | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | self is an argument | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | so we're looking for a get(self) method | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | which is likely to be in a model where "get" means "fetch from the remote source" rather than "act like a dict" | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Oh, I suppose that is an instance there. | 16:06 |
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| imacdonn | I think the actual get() method is inherited from https://github.com/openstack/python-cinderclient/blob/master/cinderclient/apiclient/base.py#L520 | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | zigo : can you print out the __module__ property of the resource? | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | print(resource.__module__) | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | or print(resource.__class__.__module__) more likely | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | imacdonn : that looks like a good candidate | 16:07 |
| zigo | Sure, doing that. | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | imacdonn : although dtroyer has been working to remove the use of the client libraries from OSC | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | zigo : it would also be good to know if other volume type commands work properly | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | (list, etc.) | 16:08 |
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| zigo | The value for resource.__class__.__module is: cinderclient.v2.volume_types | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | ok, so it looks like imacdonn is correct | 16:09 |
| imacdonn | I wonder if this is code that rarely gets executed ..and has a latent bug .... | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | and the bug is in the "volume type set" command implementation | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that seems likely | 16:10 |
| zigo | dhellmann: "openstack volume type list" works perfectly and returns BACKEND_1, which is what puppet-openstack setups as LVM backend. | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | zigo : how about volume type show? | 16:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder master: NetApp ONTAP: Set new sub-lun clone limit for ONTAP driver https://review.openstack.org/561367 | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | or get or whatever they ended up calling it where you get the details of 1 thing | 16:10 |
| zigo | dhellmann: Works as well. | 16:11 |
| zigo | openstack volume type show 1d8667bc-d0cd-461f-aa66-8448d1747e1a | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | ok, so it sounds like its just the set command then | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | I don't know the right way to fix it, but I'll bet looking at some of the other volume commands would give someone a hint | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | and zigo you could file the bug with all of the details from what we figured out | 16:12 |
| zigo | dhellmann: Sure. | 16:12 |
| zigo | dhellmann: You've noticed I'm using Py3 only, right? | 16:12 |
| zigo | Not sure if that is important ... | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I did see that. I'll be interested to hear how it works out. | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | I expect it to mostly work, but I'm sure we'll find bugs. | 16:13 |
| zigo | dhellmann: I think I failed to past the begining, which is a 404: http://paste.openstack.org/show/719758/ | 16:18 |
| zigo | Weird that its saying 404 when searching for volume type BACKEND_1, no? | 16:18 |
| zigo | I mean, when I do "openstack volume type list" it really is listed ... | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | you're well beyond my understanding of what the client is doing there, so I don't know if it's weird or not | 16:19 |
| zigo | Indeed. | 16:19 |
| imacdonn | zigo: It'll take what you provide and try to query for that as an ID... if that finds nothing, it'll try to find the resource by name .. at least that's how it's supposed to work ... so the 404, in itself, is OK | 16:20 |
| imacdonn | zigo: you could try your set command with the ID instead of name | 16:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/cinder master: RBD: Handle ImageNotFound exception in _get_usage_info correctly https://review.openstack.org/563313 | 18:52 |
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| zigo | dhellmann: imacdonn: It doesn't look like a client issue to me, I was using uwsgi, when I switch back to eventlet, then the command works. | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | zigo : *that* sounds like a client issue, if the client behaves differently in those cases | 20:03 |
| zigo | dhellmann: When I switch stuff to uwsgi, I often get a 104, connection reset by peer. | 20:04 |
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| zigo | dhellmann: Would it be possible that somehow, there's issues with content-lenght ? | 20:04 |
| zigo | length | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | I have no idea :-( | 20:04 |
| zigo | :) | 20:04 |
| zigo | dhellmann: At least, now I have the workaround to continue using eventlet, even though that's not ideal. | 20:05 |
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| imacdonn | zigo dhellmann I still suspect that it's client code that only gets used in some corner case .. and using uwsgi is causing the corner case.... but haven't tried to prove it | 20:06 |
| zigo | imacdonn: I can provide some env with uwsgi if needed. | 20:06 |
| imacdonn | I've not looked at running cinder under uwsgi yet | 20:07 |
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| Swanson | Good luck to Cinder's Kevin Phillips-Bong candidate for TC, smcginnis. | 20:26 |
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| smcginnis | New project idea - a snopes.com like site to be able to look up all of Swanson's obscure references. | 20:27 |
| smcginnis | But I will be sure to wear my slightly silly pants. | 20:28 |
| Swanson | :) | 20:29 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 21:02 |
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| _alastor_ | smcginnis jungleboyj: I'm implementing the snapshot manage feature and I need to store information about the parent volume. Can I use a field on the Snapshot object to do that? Maybe provider_location? | 21:40 |
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| jungleboyj | _alastor_: If you are implementing a new feature is there a reason to not add a field for it? | 21:43 |
| _alastor_ | jungleboyj: I mean specifically in my driver. The feature already exists in Cinder | 21:43 |
| _alastor_ | jungleboyj: I'm just looking for a place to store info about the managed snapshot's parent volume | 21:43 |
| jungleboyj | Oh ... hmmm, good question. | 21:44 |
| smcginnis | _alastor_: Yeah, I think others are using provider_location for that type of metadata IIRC. | 21:44 |
| jungleboyj | _alastor_: I am not the best person to ask as I haven't implemented something like that but I think that approach sounds familiar. | 21:45 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: :-) | 21:45 |
| _alastor_ | smcginnis: Ok cool. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't stepping on existing functionality for that field. | 21:45 |
| smcginnis | Nope, that field is kind of for the driver implementors discretion, so should be good. | 21:46 |
| _alastor_ | smcginnis: Thanks | 21:46 |
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