| jgriffith | I don't care about the volume type itself so much, it's not really any different than any other volume | 00:00 |
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| jgriffith | what I DO care about is the attach behavior | 00:00 |
| jgriffith | multiattach: True == "can't attach as root disk at all" seems like an odd paradigm | 00:01 |
| jgriffith | although I get that multiattach: True not allowing multiple attachments might seem contradictory too; but not as much :) | 00:02 |
| ildikov | if it would be creating a volume where the user gets an error message that multiattach and bootable true don't work together then it would make sense as it's an obvious behavior | 00:03 |
| ildikov | I mean the user knows they have to choose | 00:03 |
| jgriffith | ildikov: my point is *why* do they have to choose? | 00:04 |
| jgriffith | ildikov: what are you protecting them from? | 00:04 |
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| jgriffith | You're eliminating use cases and creating extra-steps for them to deal with for no real reason IMO | 00:04 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: If we can prevent there from being more than one R/W instance when it is bootable, nothing. | 00:04 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that's my opinion; but perhaps I'm missing something | 00:05 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: but we can't today | 00:05 |
| jgriffith | The other thing quite frankly is I don't care if this is *perfect* in the first iteration; in fact I don't want to strive for it to be perfect | 00:05 |
| jgriffith | I just want "good enough for now" | 00:05 |
| jgriffith | so we can adapt things more easily going forward | 00:06 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: I'm not the best to ask as if it was just me then we wouldn't deal with this as I believe that you just cannot prevent the user from shooting themselves in the foot if that's really what they want | 00:06 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: so as a summary, you're right, my bad | 00:08 |
| * ildikov is looking at jgriffith with puppy eyes for forgiveness :) | 00:08 | |
| jgriffith | no need for puppy eyes | 00:08 |
| jgriffith | I might be completely wrong on this; but I'm fine with being wrong | 00:08 |
| jgriffith | it's not the end of the world | 00:09 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: you don't forgive or I can save it for later this time? :) | 00:09 |
| jgriffith | and being wrong and going the direction I proposed vs being wrong and going the other direction the penalty is not as significant | 00:09 |
| jgriffith | There's nothing to forgive | 00:09 |
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| ildikov | I just try not to bother people when it's not necessary especially with multiattach as we're all on the edge by now | 00:10 |
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| ildikov | but failing more and more often these days :/ | 00:11 |
| jgriffith | don't be silly | 00:11 |
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| ildikov | I need to sleep before that happens again :) | 00:12 |
| jungleboyj | I am in agreement that good enough is ok right now. We can always make changes/improvements in the future. | 00:15 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: good enough should always be ok otherwise things take 5 years to land... | 00:17 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Yep. | 00:17 |
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| yjk | Hi, I have a openstack newton setup on which nova evacuate of a volume booted VM fails due to failure in iSCSI login. | 05:24 |
| yjk | complete details: http://paste.openstack.org/show/643500/ | 05:24 |
| yjk | Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks ! | 05:24 |
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| chhavi__ | geguileo: want to discuss on the backup native thread review, saw your comments | 10:22 |
| geguileo | chhavi__: can you give me 5 minutes to finish something? | 10:22 |
| chhavi__ | geguileo: sure | 10:22 |
| geguileo | thanks | 10:22 |
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| geguileo | chhavi__: I'm ready :-) | 10:25 |
| geguileo | chhavi__: I see that you have replied and think that the small files don't require the change | 10:26 |
| geguileo | chhavi__: The reason why I think we need it is because we could have congestion on the connection to the storage, and then what should have been a fast operation becomes slow | 10:26 |
| geguileo | and when you have multiple backups that have been launched at the same time they could all have that speed issue simultaneously | 10:27 |
| geguileo | which would bring us to the same place as before :-( | 10:27 |
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| geguileo | I think there could be an easier solution... Let me have a quick look | 10:28 |
| chhagarw | geguileo: sorry got disconnected | 10:28 |
| geguileo | lol | 10:28 |
| geguileo | so I was talking to myself... | 10:28 |
| geguileo | rofl | 10:28 |
| chhagarw | What I was telling that we don't need to put tpool for all read and write | 10:28 |
| geguileo | did you get any of my crazy talk? | 10:28 |
| chhagarw | no missed it :) | 10:29 |
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| geguileo | chhavi__: I see that you have replied and think that the small files don't require the change | 10:29 |
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| geguileo | chhavi__: The reason why I think we need it is because we could have congestion on the connection to the storage, and then what should have been a fast operation becomes slow | 10:29 |
| geguileo | and when you have multiple backups that have been launched at the same time they could all have that speed issue simultaneously | 10:29 |
| geguileo | which would bring us to the same place as before :-( | 10:29 |
| geguileo | I think there could be an easier solution... Let me have a quick look | 10:29 |
| chhagarw | by multiple backup u mean backup_chunk or different backup calls made at the same time | 10:31 |
| chhagarw | because chunks will be executed sequentially | 10:31 |
| geguileo | different backup calls made at the same time | 10:31 |
| geguileo | so if you get 10 backup request at the same time | 10:31 |
| geguileo | and for some reason the connection to the storage is dreadful | 10:31 |
| geguileo | then you get 10 read of small file operations that should have been fast that are now sloooooooooow | 10:32 |
| geguileo | what would you say to adding 2 new methods to the chunked driver | 10:32 |
| geguileo | _get_object_writer and _get_object_reader | 10:32 |
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| geguileo | each one calls to the implementation of the abstract method (get_object_writer and get_object_reader) and wraps the response with a tpool.Proxy | 10:33 |
| geguileo | that way we only have to change all calls to the abstract methods with our new internal methods | 10:33 |
| geguileo | and we automatically get all the reader and writer methods automatically executed in native threads | 10:34 |
| geguileo | chhagarw: I don't know if I explained myself clearly... | 10:34 |
| chhagarw | apart from get_object_writer and reader, there are few more read and write calls which are heavy, so putting 2 new methods will not solve the complete problem | 10:36 |
| geguileo | let me see the other read/write operations you mention... | 10:37 |
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| geguileo | chhagarw: yeah, we have 3 kinds of objectects we need to be careful with... Our reader/writer objs, the compress/decompress, and the volume_file ones | 10:39 |
| geguileo | chhagarw: but for the volume_file ones, maybe the backup manager should pass them with a proxy | 10:39 |
| geguileo | since this will affect all backups... | 10:40 |
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| chhagarw | geguileo: yes | 10:42 |
| geguileo | chhagarw: so to sumarize this thing | 10:43 |
| geguileo | chhagarw: do you agree that we could have a problem even with the small files? | 10:43 |
| chhagarw | Having a new methods in chunkeddriver will be good, wrapping up reader, writer | 10:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/cinder master: VMAX doc - Queens feature documentation https://review.openstack.org/533147 | 10:43 |
| geguileo | chhagarw: And for the file passed by the manager it should be the manager the one that wraps it | 10:44 |
| chhagarw | I don't really think so that this issue will be common with small files, at least we have never see in our testing | 10:44 |
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| chhagarw | SHA, metadata files have defined sizes which will not be very huge. | 10:44 |
| geguileo | chhagarw: but I'm afraid to find it at a later time and then bang my head against the desk for not fixing it in the first place | 10:45 |
| geguileo | chhagarw: how many simultaneous backups did you test with? | 10:45 |
| chhagarw | We tried with 12 concurrent backups | 10:46 |
| geguileo | chhagarw: were they triggered serially in a loop or in parallel? | 10:47 |
| chhagarw | As a generic solution it will be a good idea to wrap these in a method which takes care of threading issue. | 10:47 |
| chhagarw | They are parallel bakcups | 10:47 |
| chhagarw | not serial | 10:47 |
| geguileo | But did you wait for the CLI response of the first backup before launching the second | 10:48 |
| geguileo | ? | 10:48 |
| geguileo | or did you have 12 threads and they all made the request more or less simultaneously? | 10:48 |
| chhagarw | 12 threads calling the API simultaneously | 10:48 |
| geguileo | that's great!! | 10:48 |
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| chhagarw | but that concurrent use cases we ran with small backups of 20-50GB size | 10:49 |
| geguileo | I believe that's good enough to verify this | 10:49 |
| geguileo | Would you be willing to do the wrapping of the objects? | 10:50 |
| geguileo | Or I can do it for you if you want | 10:50 |
| geguileo | I can write the tests as well | 10:50 |
| geguileo | since you have already spent a lot of time on this one | 10:50 |
| chhagarw | You can make the changes | 10:50 |
| geguileo | OK, I'll make the changes and submit them | 10:51 |
| geguileo | And then you can verify that I haven't broken anything ;-) | 10:51 |
| chhagarw | I can verify on our test environment | 10:51 |
| geguileo | that would be perfect!!!! | 10:51 |
| geguileo | OK, I'll try to get the patch up today | 10:52 |
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| chhagarw | Also just take care of compress, decompress and file read write calls | 10:52 |
| geguileo | chhagarw: Oh, I'm going to take your patch and interate over it, not start a new one ;-) | 10:52 |
| chhagarw | There is one more issue which I see in the backup code, Is we use "backup_file_size" same as the chunk size | 10:53 |
| geguileo | chhagarw: so you'll see my patch go in the same review as yours and it will go with your name as the main developer, I'll just add my name to the commit messages to indicate that I contributed | 10:53 |
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| chhagarw | no issues | 10:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | xiaoqin proposed openstack/cinder master: Storwize: use DLM locks To be able to use Storwize driver with c-vol in A/A deployment, local file lock should be replaces with distributed lock manager. https://review.openstack.org/533156 | 11:07 |
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| ganso | Hello. All third party CIs are broken for driverfixes/ocata because of this: http://logs.openstack.netapp.com/logs/06/518306/1/upstream-check/cinder-cDOT-NFS/e899246/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2018-01-09_21_45_31_661 | 11:53 |
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| ganso | is there anyone already looking into this policy issue? | 11:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/cinder master: VMAX driver - retype fix where workload is None https://review.openstack.org/533170 | 12:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder master: VMAX driver - Implement SRDF Metro feature https://review.openstack.org/517282 | 12:48 |
| elmaciej | Hi! | 12:52 |
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| elmaciej | I need some clarification - hopefully someone can help here - I have a pik einstallation using juju and it creates cinder-volumes on the disk which is a lun from SAN. We cant use SAN using driver as it is shared with other projects and it's denied by security policy. Whenever I create an instance it creates a disk in /var/lib/libvirt instead of cinder-volumes group. | 12:54 |
| elmaciej | how can I force nova to create a lvs instead of local file | 12:55 |
| elmaciej | or maybe should I point manually /var/lib/libirt to shared lun ? | 12:55 |
| pooja_jadhav | geguileo:Hi | 12:55 |
| geguileo | pooja_jadhav: Hi, I have a fix, just adding the unit tests | 12:56 |
| pooja_jadhav | geguileo: This issue will get resolve once the patch[1] will get merge. | 12:57 |
| pooja_jadhav | [1]: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531289/ | 12:57 |
| pooja_jadhav | geguileo: added comment on bug | 12:57 |
| geguileo | pooja_jadhav: OK, I saw that bug report, but since it didn't match the issue here... | 12:57 |
| geguileo | pooja_jadhav: the bug report is incomplete and/or the patch does not match it | 12:58 |
| geguileo | pooja_jadhav: I'll update the original bug report to reflect this other case as well and then close mine as a duplicate | 12:59 |
| pooja_jadhav | geguileo: ok | 13:00 |
| pooja_jadhav | geguileo: thank you | 13:00 |
| geguileo | pooja_jadhav: thanks for you quick response | 13:00 |
| pooja_jadhav | geguileo: thanks for ur inputs | 13:01 |
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| elmaciej | Hello ! Again question - I need some clarification - hopefully someone can help here - I have a pik einstallation using juju and it creates cinder-volumes on the disk which is a lun from SAN. We cant use SAN using driver as it is shared with other projects and it's denied by security policy. Whenever I create an instance it creates a disk in /var/lib/libvirt instead of cinder-volumes group. | 13:34 |
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| smcginnis | ganso: All CI _should_ be broken on driverfixes branches, because they should not be running on there. | 14:40 |
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| jungleboyj | So, I am seeing something weird with LVM. | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Going to talk out loud here for a minute to see if anyone has ides. | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | I have 3 LVM nodes but my scheduler is pointing everything at one of them. For some reason two of them are reporting over subscribed even though they have nearly 300 GB free. | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Looking at the scheduler it appears to be being told the wrong amount of space available. on the two where I am having the issue. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Official Rocky schedule is now posted: https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | Cool. Thanks smcginnis | 16:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/cinder master: VMAX driver - QOS settings incorrectly applied on Default storage group https://review.openstack.org/532911 | 16:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/cinder master: VMAX driver - retype fix where workload is None https://review.openstack.org/533170 | 16:34 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Zuul has been restarted and lost queue information; changes in progress will need to be rechecked. | 16:44 | |
| Swanson | I think what I like about the new zuul is its stability. Like a rock. | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: You around? | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | raunak: You can talk publicly. | 16:53 |
| raunak | Sure | 16:53 |
| raunak | There seems to be confusion with a lot of people with pike release notes. It mentions “The Nimble driver has been marked as unsupported and is now deprecated. enable_unsupported_driver will need to be set to True in the driver’s section in cinder.conf to continue to use it.” https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/cinder/pike.html. How could we update the release notes ? | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | raunak: Looks like the unsupported patch wasn't reverted. A new patch was submitted changing the flag and it did not remove the release note: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484443/ | 16:56 |
| raunak | Is there a way to update that now to avoid confusion ? | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | raunak: A patch will have to be proposed directly to stable/pike removing the note. That should get it out of there the next time there is a stable release. | 16:57 |
| raunak | sure. will do so. I see Phase II – Maintained release on 2018-02-26 for Pike. Would that be the next stable release ? | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | raunak: Stable releases are done semi-regularly, but on-demand when we have things we want/need to get out there. | 17:02 |
| smcginnis | raunak: Once this goes through, we can probably ask jungleboyj to request a new release. | 17:02 |
| raunak | Great. Thanks | 17:03 |
| * jungleboyj tries to catch up. | 17:03 | |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah, I can propose a release. raunak Are you going to propose the change to stable/pike to remove that? | 17:04 |
| raunak | Yes | 17:04 |
| jungleboyj | raunak: Ok. I can help get that through. Just point me at the patch. | 17:06 |
| raunak | Sure. Will do so shortly. Thanks | 17:06 |
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| raunak | jungleboyj: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533253 | 17:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hagen Finley proposed openstack/cinder master: Edits to Cinder Block Storage Overview https://review.openstack.org/533324 | 23:32 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, now your changes are up there. | 23:34 |
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