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openstackgerritqtlu proposed openstack/cinder master: Supports restore backup with specified volume type  https://review.openstack.org/49448406:27
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openstackgerritAbhishek Sharma M proposed openstack/cinder master: Making reservations before group creation  https://review.openstack.org/49566306:31
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openstackgerritAbhishek Sharma M proposed openstack/cinder master: Making reservations before group creation  https://review.openstack.org/49566306:35
openstackgerritAbhishek Sharma M proposed openstack/cinder master: Making reservations before group creation  https://review.openstack.org/49566306:38
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openstackgerritqtlu proposed openstack/cinder master: Support restore backup with specified volume type  https://review.openstack.org/49448406:55
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openstackgerritBéla Vancsics proposed openstack/cinder master: Remove unused variable  https://review.openstack.org/49574707:44
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TzurHi, we need help in approving this cherry pick from master to stable/pike - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495761/08:30
TzurCan anyone lend a hand? Thanks :)08:30
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exarrsmcginnis: ooooh, I se what you're saying. Just extend the actual lv form the other disks.08:58
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openstackgerritAbhishek Sharma M proposed openstack/cinder master: Making reservations before group creation  https://review.openstack.org/49566309:08
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chhavihi all, want to know if the cinder volume creation uses persistence taskflows.10:55
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openstackgerritHamdy Khader proposed openstack/os-brick master: Fix iSCSI volume attachment over RDMA transport  https://review.openstack.org/49356811:09
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e0nechhavi: no, we don't use persistence taskflow11:13
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openstackgerritHamdy Khader proposed openstack/os-brick master: Fix iSCSI volume attachment over RDMA transport  https://review.openstack.org/49356812:21
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chhavie0ne: thanks12:28
chhavie0ne: there is an old bp proposed for this feature which got abandoned: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147879/12:28
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openstackgerritEric Young proposed openstack/cinder master: ScaleIO Driver: Adding support to wipe/zero disks  https://review.openstack.org/49470213:10
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ildikovsmcginnis: jungleboyj: morning :)14:07
smcginnisildikov: Afternoon. :)14:07
ildikovsmcginnis: :)14:08
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ildikovsmcginnis: I know you've most probably pretty much hate the topic by now, but I thought to ask about the cinderclient release :)14:08
smcginnisildikov: Yep, it's on my list. We haven't been able to officially lift the client lib freeze yet since there are a few stragglers with wrapping up the pike release activity.14:09
ildikovsmcginnis: do you happen to know when that will get done?14:10
ildikovsmcginnis: is there anything I can help with?14:10
smcginnisildikov: There're starting to slowly roll in, so I'm hoping by mid week.14:10
smcginnisildikov: Not too much to be done at this point.14:10
ildikovsmcginnis: ok, thanks for the info14:11
smcginnisildikov: Keeping my fingers crossed it will be very soon.14:11
ildikovsmcginnis: me too!14:11
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exarrHi all. Something in Cinder is driving me a little nuts. I have created a single vg pool for cinder to create volumes in. And I can create volumes.14:14
exarrBut when trying to launch a new instance, it seems to cap the capacity at 45G14:14
exarr(devstack-deployed)14:14
isaacbsmcginnis: I cherry-picked the following reviews to stable/pike. can you please have a look? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494683/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494512/14:15
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exarrokay, so seems that it's not creating any volumes via lvm at all now. Only volumes I create by hand.14:34
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exarrCan anyone tell me why my assumptions are failing here? I assume I can just say, "hey, openstack, build me a 20G server" and it'll create and attach a vlume for me.14:38
exarrBut it seems that volumes and server volumes are detatched from one another.14:39
exarrAs much that default images being launched are not creating the volumes, and instead using another method.14:40
smcginnisexarr: When you create a boot volume with a server instance via Horizon, it actually goes through the nova API.14:40
smcginnisexarr: They rely on a default volume type being defined, so check that you have that and that it is pointing to the right volume type.14:40
smcginnisexarr: Devstack will typically take care of that, so if you're just stacking, it _should_ be fine.14:41
smcginnisexarr: But that's one big difference I can think of.14:41
smcginnisexarr: But could you clarify your statement "instead using another method"?14:42
smcginnisexarr: Is the server booting, just you don't see a Cinder volume created for it?14:42
exarrI can create servers fine, until I use up over the 45G free that is being suggested as available space.14:43
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exarrSo, I created the VG as both my drives giving 2TB space available.14:43
smcginnisexarr: And no cinder volumes are being created?14:44
smcginnisexarr: Wondering if you have 45G of ephemeral space.14:44
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exarrIf I create volumes manually, then the volumes ARE being created. But when I try to launch new server instances, where I would expect the volumes would be created automatically14:45
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exarrI get no hosts available error.14:45
smcginnisexarr: You mean you get that error after you run out of that 45G of space, right?14:46
exarrsmcginnis: exactly, yes.14:46
exarrsmcginnis: Even though I can anually create more volumes.14:46
smcginnisexarr: OK, so it sounds like whatever options you are selecting in horizon is not the one to boot from a cinder volume.14:46
smcginnisexarr: So it's just using the locally available ephemeral volume space of the nova-compute node.14:46
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exarrYes. I need to fix this I think. You mentioned default volume type being defined - I think this is the way to go.14:47
smcginnisexarr: Well, it's actually a slightly different flow in Horizon.14:48
smcginnisexarr: I'm trying to find a reference.14:48
smcginnisexarr: I don't have horizon available at the moment and haven't used it enough to remember the options.14:48
smcginnisexarr: You can boot from image, but that's just going to use local space.14:48
exarrsmcginnis: Yes, I tried that method creating VM from volume, but alas same error.14:49
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exarrnova simply states [cinder] os_region_name = RegionOne14:50
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smcginnisexarr: If you are on the console with admin credentials sourced, you can check the volume type part quickly by running "cinder type-list" and "cinder type-default"14:52
smcginnisexarr: Sounds like with your setup, you should just have one type and it should show as the default.14:52
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exarrsmcginnis: Yes. It's the single volume type listed for the both of those commands.14:54
smcginnisexarr: OK, sounds OK on the cinder side then.14:54
smcginnisexarr: You'll probably need to look in the nova scheduler logs to see what it's filtering out all the hosts on.14:55
smcginnisexarr: As a test, you could pre-create the volume directly via Cinder, then attach that to an instance.14:55
smcginnisexarr: Just to eliminate some possibilities.14:56
exarrsmcginnis: To create servers, I use: server create --image 4ba7f5ff-aa2f-4ed7-b73f-77278fba3b5f --flavor m1.meidum test1.my.org14:56
exarrOkay I will try the reverse.14:56
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exarrAll my logs get compiled into syslog, so will try and see the excerpts.14:56
smcginnisexarr: Yeah, that's just going to create an ephemeral disk for the instance.14:56
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smcginnisexarr: There's no "use cinder volumes by default" setting for nova.14:57
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exarrsmcginnis: Why not? :-)14:57
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smcginnisexarr: There are some folks in nova that have strong opinions on booting from cinder volumes.15:02
smcginnisexarr: Because why would you actually want to use your datacenter infrastructure> :D15:02
exarrsmcginnis: I see... hmmm.15:03
exarrsmcginnis: Anything important here? :: Got no allocation candidates from the Placement API. This may be a temporary occurrence as compute nodes start up and15:03
exarronly debug, so could be normal.15:03
smcginnisexarr: Could be. Placement is fairly new, so I don't know too much about the normal flow there.15:04
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exarrso, otherwise the logs suggest: "local_gb=45,local_gb_used=40,mapped=1" as the only deploy options.15:06
smcginnisexarr: Yep, that's checking the local disk space for the ephemeral storage.15:06
smcginnisexarr: A little old, but I think this is still current: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_OpenStack_Platform/4/html/End_User_Guide/boot_from_volume.html15:08
smcginnisexarr: That's another option.15:08
smcginnisexarr: But there is an easier way through Horizon.15:08
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smcginnisexarr: Just can't find screenshots showing the correct options to select. Maybe someone else here has that handy.15:08
smcginnisexarr: I think it's the "Boot from image (creates a new volume)" option vs the "Boot from image" one.15:10
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isaacbjungleboyj: GM15:23
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jgriffithsmcginnis exarr https://imgur.com/a/AiSHa15:27
smcginnisjgriffith: Thanks!15:27
jgriffithThat's the default option, but shows the choices at least15:27
smcginnisThat's right, now it's just from image, but you need to make sure the Create New Volume is checked.15:28
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jungleboyjisaacb:  Good afternoon.  What's up?15:34
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isaacbjungleboyj: really need your help with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494683/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494512/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495761/15:36
isaacbjungleboyj: All are cherry-pick to stable/pike15:36
jungleboyjisaacb:  Ok.  I think I just hit two of them from the scrollback.15:39
exarrsmcginnis: Sorry, got distracted for a moment.15:40
exarrThe boot from image (creates) is the default I think. I see the option to create new volume, and if I should delte it on the VM dbeing destroyed.15:41
smcginnisexarr: Hmm, in that case, you've proven directly through Cinder works, so it appears to be something with going through the Nova APIs to do this. Might need to enlist help from the nova team.15:42
exarrsmcginnis: Let me try attaching via the volume method you proposed in the last link for more clarity.15:44
jungleboyjisaacb:  Ok, those all looked fine to me.15:45
smcginnisexarr: Good call.15:45
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jgriffithexarr smcginnis couple things to keep in mind; first is it's somewhat common for that method (in horizon) to timeout and fail because the download/create image on volume can be slow for large volumes15:46
isaacbjungleboyj: Tnx. I appreciate this.15:47
jgriffithexarr smcginnis the other thing is; if you're hitting "no host found" on the Cinder scheduler, then I'd be suspicous of your VG setup.  Make sure you try it with minimal sized volumes first and inspect both the scheduler and volume logs15:47
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jungleboyjisaacb:  No problem.  Happy to help.15:48
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exarrjgriffith: The confusion in that, is that I can create volumes of larger sizes quite easily. It does /seem/ to me as smcginnis suggested that nova is simply ignoring the prospect of the volumes available.15:50
exarrThough it could well be because I haven't done something correctly.15:50
jgriffithexarr so there's an old bug in Nova where it screws up calculating disk size... but that was fixed at one point15:51
jgriffithit didn't consider Cinders volume when calculating space... it still used it's ephemeral space calculation15:51
jgriffithat least I *think* it was fixed :). I can try and find the LP entry for it15:51
robcresswelljgriffith: Hmm, fail? It shouldnt fail15:52
jgriffithexarr smcginnis here's one variant of that bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/150890715:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1469179 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "duplicate for #1508907 instance.root_gb should be 0 for volume-backed instances" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to melanie witt (melwitt)15:53
smcginnisrobcresswell: Horizon doesn't fail, but the nova API call times out because it takes too long for the image to be copied to the volume.15:53
robcresswellsmcginnis: Ah, okay15:54
robcresswellThanks for the clarity15:54
jgriffithrobcresswell sorry if I said something confusing there :)15:54
smcginnisrobcresswell: Yeah, nothing really for you to worry about, just something users need to keep in mind with large images. ;)15:54
robcresswelljgriffith: I was mostly just concerned we had a bug :p15:54
robcresswellYeah, fair enough :)15:54
exarrI'm causing a fuss here it seems :-)15:55
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smcginnisTroublemakers are the regular crowd around here. ;)15:57
exarrhehe.16:02
exarrSo, I created a volume, and then tried the following: server create --flavor m1.medium --volume d47d8db3-9537-4fbf-9803-77d66f7e1ae0 test20.my.org16:02
exarrThis has the same result in the end as launching as a new instance.16:02
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smcginnisexarr: So maybe that space counting issue hasn't actually been addressed yet, or it's regressed.16:03
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jgriffithhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/146917916:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1469179 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "instance.root_gb should be 0 for volume-backed instances" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to melanie witt (melwitt)16:05
exarrsmcginnis: Seems possible. Hmmm.16:06
jgriffithexarr smcginnis ^^. That's your bug I think16:06
jgriffithbouncing around for 2 years now :(16:06
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smcginnisYep, that looks like the one. I think there have been various duplications and proposed patches, but nothing fixing it yet for some reason.16:07
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smcginnisOther than the "booting from volumes is not cloud" argument reason.16:07
jgriffithsmcginnis sigh... yes16:08
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jgriffithsmcginnis except AWS for example is ALL Boot From Volume... but I guess AWS isn't "Cloud" either16:09
jgriffithsmcginnis don't wind me up... it's Monday :)16:09
smcginnisAgain, why would you actually want to use your datacenter infrastructure? :/16:09
smcginnisYeah, better stop going down that path so early on a Monday. :)16:09
jgriffithstupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid16:09
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exarrsmcginnis: jgriffith So, forgive me; is this causing all my troubles? :-|16:12
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jgriffithexarr I believe so, yes16:13
jgriffithexarr melwitt is working on it though, so that's awesome!  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428481/16:14
Swanson"booting from volumes is not cloud" is a thing?16:14
jgriffithI'm trying to figure out Balazs objections though16:14
exarrI'm torn. I'm happy it's not me being too stupid, but sad that it's broken :-|16:14
jgriffithexarr join the club16:15
jgriffithI honestly thought it was fixed over a year ago16:15
smcginnisSwanson: Unfortunately.16:16
smcginnisThere are various fixes available that could be applied to get around it. We had a customer using one of them in production just fine. Just not acceptable for some reason.16:17
ildikovjgriffith: I think it's the regular debate on whether or not the issue should be handled in the API layer as I read it16:18
jgriffithMight help of some folks that are familiar with the issue lend a hand and help review that patch16:18
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jgriffithildikov yeah, going back through it looks that way; but the problem is you "can't" based on what I remember from looking at this before16:18
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jgriffithThe reason you "can't" is because you get a call in to Nova scheduler it *always* checks the root disk setting in the flavor, the api doesn't have anything to do with that16:19
ildikovjgriffith: yeah, I get that16:19
jgriffithSure, you could hack at the API layer and modify that value, but that's cheating and will most certainly come back to bight you in the butt later16:19
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ildikovjgriffith: wouldn't be the only one around there :)16:20
jgriffithildikov hehe.. that's VERY true16:20
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exarrSo, not fully understanding everything here; 1) If I removed the local images and then tried to boot the volumes in the methods I try, would that work?16:25
exarrCos the root will see ~35G free if I clear them out, but then I could create 10x 10G VMs if the volume is not larger than the root.16:25
exarrMaybe i'm a bit tired now. :-)16:27
exarrAlso, if I went down the ceph route instead, would I be subject to the same problems?16:28
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jgriffithexarr nope, Ceph doesn't have this issue because everything is on Ceph16:28
jgriffithexarr IIRC I got around this in the past by specifying a made up flavor that had the right parameters for me16:30
jgriffithI can have a look here later this morning if it's helpful; or maybe you could apply mels patch that I pointed to?16:31
exarrjgriffith: I'll have a look through, but if you created a flavor somehow that circumvents this, then that would be great.16:39
exarrI need to make food, and then will tackle this again. Been driving me a bit crazy :-D16:40
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder master: vstorage: added vz:volume_format vendor property  https://review.openstack.org/46509116:45
exarrAlso, iff you guys was nearby, i'd make you some too, and a beer of choice.16:46
smcginnisexarr: Hah, cheers!16:46
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exarrsmcginnis: jgriffith Patch applied, will do a reboot, and see what happens next.17:12
jgriffithexarr cool!!  good luck!!17:12
exarrjgriffith: Cheers. :-)17:12
jgriffithand if it works you should add a comment to the review :)17:12
exarrjgriffith: Roger that.17:12
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exarrjgriffith: Patch applied, but problem exists all the same it appears. Let me eat some food, and i'll work with it and see.17:24
jgriffithexarr hmm... that's not good news17:25
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SwansonCBS is stunned by the ability of science to predict an eclipse.17:37
SwansonMSNBC was asking children what they thought of the eclipse. Some enlightening takes there. CNN would be great with VR glasses.17:38
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SwansonMy understanding is that the eclipse was either "neat" and/or "awesome".17:39
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exarrjgriffith: Okay, food consumed. I downloaded the patchfile "74f980ad" and in /opt/stack/nova/ performed a patch -p118:04
exarrI then rebooted the machine, make sure everything is refreshed.18:04
exarr"instances: 4 does not have 0 MB usable disk, it only has -7168.0 MB" :-|18:06
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smcginnisexarr: Ah, I've hit the negative space issue before too. That's something else.18:10
exarrsmcginnis: I have cleared out the old vm storage, and seems to be launching now. Bear with.18:11
smcginnisexarr: Fingers crossed.18:12
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exarrhmm. Hit this now :-D Please try again later [Error: No sql_connection parameter is established18:15
smcginnisThat's a new one for me.18:15
exarrIt may have tried to create the volume though, so that's possibly a good sign. Let me double-check.18:15
exarrhmm. sql connection. Interesting :-)18:16
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smcginnisNot good if it can't talk to the DB.18:16
exarrPortBindingFailed: Binding failed for port 817ea... Yeah, it's something new :-) But it could be the fact I have rebuilt ths like a million times.18:19
exarrSo, if I can confirm that the volumes are being built, then i'd be very satisfied.18:19
exarr... and it /is/ suggesting that a volume is attached. So this is very good news :-D :-D18:20
smcginnisexarr: Yeah, that's very good progress.18:20
smcginnisexarr: I just hope unwinding whatever else got wound up won't be worse. :)18:20
exarrlol18:21
exarrI'll have a look through the patch and see if it did something. It was working before that, and mysql/mariadb is running seemingly fine, so.18:22
exarrCan't see anything too obvious from the patch, but that's more to do with unfamiliarity. mysql logs should yeild something better.18:26
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jgriffithexarr FWIW I have hit that a number of times with Nova when doing restarts/rebuilds of things.  I have not figured out the why; but I can only assume that something triggers a password or credentials change somewhere along the way and screws everything up18:31
jgriffithI have no idea what your deployment looks like, but I've encountered it with packstack a number of times18:31
jgriffithdevstack just does weird shit sometimes and "who knows"18:32
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exarrjgriffith: Fair play. I'll tinker, and then do another rebuild with the new patch.18:32
exarrAt least volumes are trying to build now, so that's a win :-)18:33
jgriffithIndeed!18:33
jgriffithone pitfall... errr.. step at a time18:33
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exarrhahaha. Story of my life with openstack so far :-)18:33
jgriffithexarr yeah.. sorry about that :(18:34
jgriffithIt's getting better I promise!18:34
jgriffithinstall/configure has always been "somebody elses problem" in the past18:34
exarrjgriffith: :-) It's all a learning curve.18:34
exarrjgriffith: Aye. The thing is, OS could well be very good for a couple of our environments. But I seem to be stumbling along for quite a part of it all.18:36
smcginnisexarr: You can also stack directly with that patch by adding the line "CINDER_BRANCH=refs/changes/81/428481/13"18:36
exarrsmcginnis: ooh, that's good to know!18:36
smcginnis[it alarms me how many third party CI logs I had to look through to find one doing that]18:37
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jgriffithexarr yeah, that's the sad thing; once you get it going it's a pretty fantastic platform; but getting there can be more painful than it needs to be18:37
exarrsmcginnis: lol18:37
jgriffithsmcginnis exarr OHHH!  Sorry, I didn't know you were using devstack18:37
exarrjgriffith: not to mention the millions of deployment tools out there to "make it simpler" :-D18:37
jgriffithexarr yeah, but sadly few of them make anything "simpler"18:38
jgriffithexarr "first rule of deploying openstack... make deploying openstack hard"18:38
exarrjgriffith: I opted for devstack once I had a decent nested KVM installation working. Figured it'd be lighter after my initial tests, and a seamless install process. TIL :-D18:38
smcginnisexarr: Just to make sure you know - devstack is great for testing, but it's not an actual deployment tool for production use.18:38
smcginnisexarr: Just making sure that's clear. ;)18:39
jgriffithsmcginnis oh... wait... what?  :)18:39
jgriffithjust kidding18:39
exarrsmcginnis: Yes, it's only for my homelab really.18:39
smcginnisexarr: OK, cool. That's what I figured, but also figured it would be better to state that now rather than later. :)18:40
exarrI have a couple of test labs at work, built by hand. As the deployment tools seemed to both confuse and complicate matters.18:40
smcginnis+118:40
exarrI need to disapear for an hour, will let you know progress.18:41
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openstackgerritWalter A. Boring IV (hemna) proposed openstack/cinder master: WIP: 3PAR enable active active HA for iSCSI  https://review.openstack.org/49595418:51
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openstackgerritJay Bryant proposed openstack/cinder master: [Doc Bld Fix] Add links to man page contents  https://review.openstack.org/49595719:02
smcginnisjungleboyj: Hah, a todo from vish.19:03
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Yeah ...19:04
jungleboyjIs there a different way we should handle that?19:04
smcginnisjungleboyj: No, looks good. Just had to laugh at that. Should we track him down and see how that todo is coming along? :)19:05
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jungleboyjSure.  ;-)19:06
jungleboyjWe will eventually need to go through and address all that kind of stuff.19:07
smcginnisjungleboyj: I wonder if it would be worth the time to file bug(s) and tag them low-hanging-fruit for someone looking for things to work on.19:07
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Yeah, that might be worth doing.19:11
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hemnaso...19:19
hemnaenabling clustering is all or nothing so it seems.19:20
hemnaif you set "cluster = foo" in [DEFAULT], every backend enabled has to support it.19:20
hemnaor they all fail to start.19:20
hemnare: can't have say a 3par clustered backend at the same time as lvm.19:20
hemnaseems undesirable IMHO19:21
hemnawould be nice to just specify which backend is clustered19:21
hemnainstead of all or nothing.19:22
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smcginnishemna: Not sure how that would work if you had only partial clustering.19:28
smcginnishemna: You'd end up with a mix result. If a node failed then you might still have access to using some resources but not others.19:29
hemnawell, I was expecting to be able to cluster the 3par driver and still have local lvm19:29
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hemnaso, you can't run say 3par clustered and other backends unclustered19:30
hemnaall of cinder is clustered, or you get nothing.19:30
smcginnishemna: I suppose you could have a cluster of one node. :)19:30
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SwansonI hope jgriffith didn't use a colander to watch the eclipse. He'd strain his eyes. (Sorry. Not my joke. Still sorry.)20:30
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smcginnisSwanson: Well, he still would be better off than our One Who Always Sets a Good Example: https://www.space.com/37897-president-trump-shows-how-not-to-watch-eclipse-stares-directly-at-sun.html20:35
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Swansonsmcginnis, :)20:37
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smcginnisSwanson: See now if I was secret service, I totally would have tackled him to protect him. :)20:39
* smcginnis better shut up20:40
Swansonsmcginnis, He bankrupted them. Not sure I'd rely on them to do anything until their check clears.20:40
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exarrsmcginnis: Rebuilt the stack, and launched one instance @ 40G seemingly correct. Attempts to build the next results in the sql error again.20:44
exarrI guess it's related. X(20:44
smcginnisexarr: Oh weird.20:44
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exarrsmcginnis: I wonder if the schema has changed somewhere and no longer compatible with the patch.20:47
smcginnisexarr: That seems like an odd error message to get then. But it seems like an odd error message to get anyway, so not sure.20:48
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exarrI see this in the nova-scheduler too: Insufficient compute resources: Free disk 5.00 GB < requested 40 GB.\n20:56
exarrthat's coming from the compute manager too. The patched version. I assume I patched it correctly.20:57
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smcginnisexarr: Looks like the patch maybe doesn't cover everything. Would be good to comment on there with what you20:59
smcginnisre seeing.20:59
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exarrI will. Trying to dig a little deeper before sleep starts to prod at my head.21:03
smcginnisexarr: Where are you located?21:03
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exarrsmcginnis: UK21:14
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smcginnisexarr: Wow, get some sleep!21:16
smcginnisexarr: Oh, actually not as late as I thought it was. But still... :)21:17
openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder master: [Doc Bld Fix] Add links to man page contents  https://review.openstack.org/49595721:19
exarrhehe. Been at this most of the day :-)21:22
smcginnisexarr: True, it may not be late, but that's a looong day.21:22
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openstackgerritSean McGinnis proposed openstack/cinder master: Allow v3.0 volume metadata API calls  https://review.openstack.org/49598721:32
smcginnisjungleboyj: We may want to get that into stable/pike. ^^21:32
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exarrsmcginnis: Gonna switch networks. I'll be back on tomorrow and will see how I have got on. Thanks for today. [21:47
smcginnisexarr: No problem. Have a good one!21:47
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: +2 from me.21:54
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