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| openstackgerrit | Karthik Prabhu Vinod proposed openstack/cinder: Add ServiceTopic & ServiceDisabledReason Enum https://review.openstack.org/313179 | 05:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Yusuke Hayashi proposed openstack/cinder: Unexpected function is called in _migrate_volume_generic https://review.openstack.org/316086 | 07:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | YaoZheng proposed openstack/cinder: support create a volume from image snapshot https://review.openstack.org/314944 | 08:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Dulko proposed openstack/cinder: OVO request_spec in migrate/manage/retype calls https://review.openstack.org/252458 | 08:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Dulko proposed openstack/cinder: Remove support for 1.x volume RPC API https://review.openstack.org/297701 | 08:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Dulko proposed openstack/cinder: Switch request_spec in create volume calls to ovo https://review.openstack.org/246600 | 08:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Dulko proposed openstack/cinder: Switch request_spec_list in create CG to OVO https://review.openstack.org/253033 | 08:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Dulko proposed openstack/cinder: Convert filter_properties to OVO (create, retype) https://review.openstack.org/257305 | 08:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/cinder: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/303766 | 08:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gyorgy Szombathelyi proposed openstack/cinder: Use keystoneauth1 for creating the keystone session https://review.openstack.org/318490 | 08:17 |
| openstackgerrit | YaoZheng proposed openstack/cinder: support create a volume from image snapshot https://review.openstack.org/314944 | 08:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Dimitri Mazmanov proposed openstack/python-cinderclient: Add tenant_id parameter to limits. https://review.openstack.org/314995 | 08:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | wanghao proposed openstack/cinder: Catch GlanceMetadataNotFound in creating cgsnp https://review.openstack.org/302691 | 08:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Prevent Multitable conditional updates https://review.openstack.org/310656 | 08:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | KongWei proposed openstack/cinder: Add ZTE Block Storage Driver https://review.openstack.org/312355 | 09:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matan Sabag proposed openstack/cinder: Manage/unmanage snapshot in ScaleIO driver https://review.openstack.org/316742 | 09:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matan Sabag proposed openstack/cinder: ScaleIO actual volume size model update https://review.openstack.org/316811 | 09:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Yusuke Hayashi proposed openstack/cinder: Unexpected function is called in _migrate_volume_generic https://review.openstack.org/316086 | 09:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: RBD: include cluster name in connection info https://review.openstack.org/318329 | 10:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/cinder: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/303766 | 10:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: 3PAR Clean up VLUN deletion on detach https://review.openstack.org/317761 | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Wang proposed openstack/cinder: VNX: New Cinder driver in Newton https://review.openstack.org/312427 | 11:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/cinder: Add SnapshotStatus enum field https://review.openstack.org/284825 | 11:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Refactor sqlalchemy service methods https://review.openstack.org/286598 | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Move OVO methods from CinderObject to Persistent https://review.openstack.org/312930 | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Remove remotable from OVOs https://review.openstack.org/312929 | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Refactor create, save, and destroy OVO methods https://review.openstack.org/315541 | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Add auto relationship mappings to VOs https://review.openstack.org/307075 | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Link VOs with their list counterparts https://review.openstack.org/307074 | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: [WIP] Working on HA A-A job distribution https://review.openstack.org/318572 | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: [WIP] Example of RPC calls moved to HA A-A https://review.openstack.org/318573 | 11:14 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Could you have a look at the last 2? ^^ | 11:15 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: It's a PoC of what we discussed in Austin for the job distribution | 11:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Gyorgy Szombathelyi proposed openstack/cinder: Use keystoneauth1 for creating the keystone session https://review.openstack.org/318490 | 11:15 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: It's not a patch for real review (it doesn't have unittest or anything) | 11:16 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: But implements what we discussed of using cluster instead of nodes and having 2 different topic queues | 11:16 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: I'd like to hear if you agree with the approach before continuing | 11:17 |
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| dulek | geguileo: Two RPC servers - this gets started in different processes? Or threads? | 11:20 |
| geguileo | dulek: No, the same | 11:20 |
| geguileo | dulek: I think | 11:20 |
| geguileo | dulek: Let me check... XD | 11:20 |
| geguileo | Not 2 processes for sure | 11:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Vipin Balachandran proposed openstack/cinder-specs: Backend validation for extra spec options https://review.openstack.org/318576 | 11:21 |
| dulek | geguileo: Oh, that would be awesome. So there would be no danger that some thread-level synchronization is screwed in that case. | 11:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Vipin Balachandran proposed openstack/cinder-specs: Backend validation for extra spec options https://review.openstack.org/318576 | 11:24 |
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| geguileo | dulek: As far as I can tell we'll be creating an eventlet thread for each of the message handling servers | 11:35 |
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| dulek | geguileo: This should be fine then. Cool, I'll look at it more… Well, probably tomorrow. | 11:38 |
| * dulek hates meetings and open space offices. | 11:38 | |
| geguileo | dulek: Thanks | 11:38 |
| geguileo | dulek: I just want to be sure that that's what we want to do before I go all crazy and redo all the patches | 11:38 |
| geguileo | dulek: As I don't want to have to throw away another 17 patches again XD | 11:39 |
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| dulek | geguileo: Was that 17? Maaan… | 11:42 |
| geguileo | dulek: Yep, 12 for server and 5 for client | 11:42 |
| geguileo | lol | 11:42 |
| dulek | geguileo: Shouldn't we kick it with merging of at least SQLA refactoring? It should be useful anyway, right? | 11:42 |
| dulek | s/SQLA/db API | 11:43 |
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| geguileo | dulek: It would, but now I think I have that one rebased on top of the 5 OVO patches | 11:43 |
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| geguileo | dulek: Because I did some refactoring on the OVO create, save, destroy methods that reduces the amount of code I need to include in any other OVO I create | 11:44 |
| dulek | geguileo: Oh, these are needed anyway and are in my review backlog. I'm just being dragged to meetings this week and it's difficult to find time to finally kick them. :( | 11:44 |
| geguileo | dulek: Good to know they are in your backlog :-) | 11:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/cinder: Add http_proxy_to_wsgi to api-paste https://review.openstack.org/318597 | 11:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/cinder: Add http_proxy_to_wsgi to api-paste https://review.openstack.org/318597 | 12:08 |
| openstackgerrit | wanghao proposed openstack/cinder: Catch GlanceMetadataNotFound in creating cgsnp https://review.openstack.org/302691 | 12:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | wanghao proposed openstack/python-cinderclient: Remove deprecated tempest_lib and use tempest.lib https://review.openstack.org/318618 | 12:36 |
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| diablo_rojo | dulek: It's ready now! merge conflict is cleaned up :) Hopefully it stays like this long enough to get merged this time. | 12:53 |
| diablo_rojo | dulek: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284825/ | 12:53 |
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| eharney | diablo_rojo: sorry about that :) you may need a follow up to hit a couple of spots in test_cg.py | 12:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clinton Knight proposed openstack/cinder: NetApp: Remove type checks from manage workflow https://review.openstack.org/318645 | 12:58 |
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| avishay | eharney: thanks for reviewing the list manageable patch. i replied to your comment. if you would like to discuss further, i'm here. | 12:59 |
| dulek | diablo_rojo: I've marked small problems, I think fixing them will take just few minutes. :) | 13:00 |
| eharney | avishay: i was not sure about the effects of our quota counts not 100% matching the real volume sizes | 13:00 |
| avishay | eharney: if you have a 9.5GB volume it will take 10GB of quota, i think that's reasonable | 13:02 |
| eharney | avishay: that does sound reasonable if it's rounding up | 13:02 |
| avishay | eharney: in manager.py it does: entry['size'] = int(math.ceil(driver_entry['size'])) | 13:03 |
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| eharney | avishay: sounds great, i think i missed that piece | 13:04 |
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| avishay | eharney: OK cool, thanks! | 13:05 |
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| avishay | scottda: hey, i didn't understand your comment about NotFound ... it seems that the change you mentioned is already done in the referenced patch? | 13:08 |
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| scottda | avishay: Oh? I'll have a look...I thought your patch had new code that did not pick up the change, but I could be wrong.... | 13:09 |
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| avishay | scottda: maybe i misunderstood - let me know | 13:10 |
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| scottda | avishay: No, you are right. I was looking at a diff between versions and your code showed up as a change, but it is already covered in the other patch. No need to change anything. | 13:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | dulek: Thanks, I will try to get that out in the next half hour or so. | 13:20 |
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| avishay | scottda: cool thanks | 13:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/cinder: Add SnapshotStatus enum field https://review.openstack.org/284825 | 13:57 |
| diablo_rojo | dulek: ^^ | 13:57 |
| eharney | diablo_rojo: did you see my note earlier about test_cg.py? | 13:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alon Marx proposed openstack/cinder: Updates xiv_ds8k driver name and description https://review.openstack.org/318694 | 14:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kaitlin Farr proposed openstack/cinder: Replace key manager with Castellan https://review.openstack.org/280492 | 14:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaitlin Farr proposed openstack/cinder: Specify key algorithm and size for create_key https://review.openstack.org/251503 | 14:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Wilson Liu proposed openstack/cinder-specs: Migrate volume between backends in an async way https://review.openstack.org/312853 | 14:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | eharney: Oh no I must've missed it, let me go look | 14:21 |
| diablo_rojo | eharney: Do you remember what patchset? | 14:21 |
| eharney | diablo_rojo: just that now there's a test_cg.py which also needs field enum changes | 14:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | eharney: Oh okay cool. I will do that now. | 14:23 |
| eharney | diablo_rojo: it's probably easiest to put it into a second patchset | 14:23 |
| eharney | but either way | 14:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I can do that as a follow up patch. | 14:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Get this bigger one merged first? | 14:23 |
| eharney | that's what i was thinking | 14:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | eharney: Wanna go look over the current one and give it a +2? | 14:25 |
| eharney | diablo_rojo: yes | 14:25 |
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| diablo_rojo | eharney: Thanks :) | 14:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Use check_string_length from oslo_utils https://review.openstack.org/315358 | 14:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Remove support for 1.x volume RPC API https://review.openstack.org/297701 | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Finally made it through ^ :) | 14:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Remove inappropriate Copyright https://review.openstack.org/318425 | 14:54 |
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| sjmc7 | hi cinder folks. got a quick question about cinder and oslo messaging - it looks like cinder by default binds queues to the ‘openstack’ exchange (which is the oslo messaging default) whereas most other services override the setting with e.g. messaging.set_transport_defaults(‘nova’) . is there a reason for it or is that just the way it is? it caused me some confusion because i was looking for an excha | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | named ‘cinder’ that didn’t exist | 15:14 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: Looking now, thanks | 15:14 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Thanks | 15:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Harney proposed openstack/cinder: IBM Flashsystem: Add missing items to common https://review.openstack.org/318737 | 15:17 |
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| DuncanT | geguileo: There's a detail missing in that we can't start filling in or using the cluster until every service is upgraded to the point that they understand it, otherwise you risk breakage in cases like migrate between new and old c-vol | 15:23 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: That should be an easy fix though, just check the min_rpc version is high enough before filling the field in | 15:23 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: I don't think you risk anything... | 15:23 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: The cluster won't get updated during the migrate, only the host, so any operation using cluster will go to the wrong place | 15:24 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: But that means that you are doing a rolling upgrade | 15:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/cinder: Add SnapshotStatus enum field https://review.openstack.org/284825 | 15:25 |
| geguileo | And in one of the new nodes you have just added the cluster configuration at the same time, right? | 15:25 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: Correct | 15:25 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: That's a likely thing to happen - rolling out new code and new config at teh same time | 15:25 |
| geguileo | And then you migrate it from that cluster | 15:25 |
| diablo_rojo | dulek: eharney Should be good to go now. | 15:25 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: Migrates happen all the time, including, conceivably during a rolling upgrade | 15:26 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Yes, you are right, I was just confirming that I understood the scenario | 15:26 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: It's easy enough to make it not fragile, so we probably should | 15:26 |
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| geguileo | you were referring to | 15:27 |
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| geguileo | Sure, I totally agree, that's something I need to figure out | 15:27 |
| jbernard | patrickeast: hey patrick, you're doing image-level replication, but you're using a backend extra spec to tag such volumes, is that correct? | 15:27 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: But in general, the implementation is what I understood from our conversation in Austin | 15:27 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Wanted to confirm that we were on the same page | 15:28 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: Looks good in general, yes, that's the only thing I spotted in the first pass | 15:28 |
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| DuncanT | I'll go back through in detail with a running devstack to check for details | 15:28 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Ok, I'll think about how to solve that and start splitting the code | 15:28 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: That would be great :-) | 15:28 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: I tested the attach detach on devstack with 2 c-vol nodes running on the same cluster | 15:29 |
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| DuncanT | geguileo: If the new rest API was in a separate patch to the core logic, that would make it easier to understand, I think | 15:29 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: But more eyes are always neccessary | 15:29 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Oh, everything is going to be split | 15:29 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Like I did with the other patches (the node ones) | 15:29 |
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| geguileo | DuncanT: But I thought it was easier to review for confirmation | 15:30 |
| geguileo | having it all together | 15:30 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: I'm liking this much more than the other ones for sure | 15:30 |
| geguileo | Awesome!! | 15:30 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: I'll spin up a devstack after dinner and beat on this a bit | 15:30 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Thanks!! | 15:30 |
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| DuncanT | geguileo: Thank you... great to see this finally coming together | 15:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Fail on disabled_reasons with more than 255 chars https://review.openstack.org/318744 | 15:31 |
| geguileo | Yes, it's nice to see some progress | 15:31 |
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| lprice | hemna: Would you mind taking another look at my CHAP patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246990/ I had to make a small changed based on review comments. | 15:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajini Ram proposed openstack/cinder: Volume manage/unmanage support for Eqlx driver https://review.openstack.org/318748 | 15:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Harney proposed openstack/cinder: Capacity weigher: Pass correct arg to super() https://review.openstack.org/318749 | 15:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Prevent Multitable conditional updates https://review.openstack.org/310656 | 15:43 |
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| dulek | diablo_rojo: I've commented with -1 again, sorry. Please take a look if my comment makes sense. | 15:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Remove unnecessary created_at from ORM Message https://review.openstack.org/314210 | 15:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Parashuram Hallur proposed openstack/cinder: Implementation for CoprHD Cinder Drivers. https://review.openstack.org/317643 | 16:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Remove unnecessary v3 VolumeController.__init__ https://review.openstack.org/314705 | 16:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Avishay Traeger proposed openstack/cinder: List manageable volumes and snapshots https://review.openstack.org/285296 | 16:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Avishay Traeger proposed openstack/cinder: Map volume/snapshot manage extensions to v3 https://review.openstack.org/307324 | 16:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matan Sabag proposed openstack/cinder: Manage/unmanage snapshot in ScaleIO driver https://review.openstack.org/316742 | 16:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matan Sabag proposed openstack/cinder: ScaleIO actual volume size model update https://review.openstack.org/316811 | 16:28 |
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| avishay | DuncanT smcginnis eharney : rebased list manageable yet again, would appreciate another review | 16:32 |
| avishay | gotta run, thanks in advance | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | avishay: done | 16:35 |
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| diablo_rojo | dulek: Yeah I think I got it. Pushed one more. Hopefully we are good to go now. | 16:45 |
| hemna | lprice, hey | 16:47 |
| lprice | hemna: Hey | 16:48 |
| hemna | reviewed | 16:48 |
| lprice | hemna: Thanks, I appreciate it | 16:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed openstack/cinder: Add prefix to user message event ids https://review.openstack.org/313140 | 17:25 |
| ameade | eharney: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313140/ wanna give this one a look | 17:25 |
| ameade | getting a hefty backlog of pending changes | 17:26 |
| patrickeast | jbernard: hey, just saw your message. you mean replication wrt cheesecake? | 17:31 |
| jbernard | patrickeast: yeah, i was just lookign at your implementation | 17:32 |
| jbernard | patrickeast: the admin is expected to create the extra spec for replicated volumes? | 17:32 |
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| patrickeast | jbernard: yep, it needs a type with replication enabled | 17:36 |
| jbernard | patrickeast: and from there, you have all the info needed to inform the array | 17:37 |
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| patrickeast | jbernard: correct, eventually I'd like to have the option to specify some of the replication params in the type as well to get more fine grained control, but for now it's all from the Cinder.conf | 17:39 |
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| jbernard | patrickeast: ok thanks, i think i see how it's supposed to work now | 17:41 |
| jbernard | patrickeast: but, you /could/ have replicated and non-replicated volumes on the same backend/pool, no? | 17:42 |
| jbernard | patrickeast: it's simply a matter of wether the array is told to replicate for a particular volume | 17:42 |
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| patrickeast | jbernard: yea so we end up with a mix of replicated and non-replicated volumes on the same array | 17:50 |
| patrickeast | jbernard: and we toss them into the replicated state (adding them to a protection group in Pure-specific-land) | 17:50 |
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| patrickeast | jbernard: then on failover for the backend any that were not replicated are potentially lost | 17:50 |
| jbernard | patrickeast: ok, that's consistent with my mental model too, thanks man! | 17:50 |
| patrickeast | jbernard: np | 17:51 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Ping | 18:07 |
| hemna | yough | 18:07 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Did you mean to propose this for liberty? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318828/ | 18:09 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, yah I did | 18:10 |
| hemna | we have a customer on Liberty that needed the patch | 18:10 |
| hemna | even if it can't land, it's up there for them to pull. | 18:10 |
| hemna | this is the sucky part of the OpenStack release process | 18:10 |
| hemna | where customers can't get fixes | 18:11 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) Ok, I thought that was the case. I just didn't want to be missing something and look like a jerk for -1ing. | 18:12 |
| hemna | no it's ok | 18:13 |
| hemna | -1 away :) | 18:13 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Cool. :-) | 18:13 |
| bswartz | hemna: do you propose that cinder change its stable release policy to be all-branches-open-for-bugfixes-forever? | 18:13 |
| bswartz | because that's something we could in theory do | 18:13 |
| hemna | well I just don't know what to do about it | 18:14 |
| hemna | I really liked the driver removal from tree part | 18:14 |
| hemna | if we could put drivers in stand alone pip packages | 18:14 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: :-) Oh a whole other ball of wax. | 18:14 |
| hemna | then customers can just get updates pip install -U cinder-hp-driver... | 18:14 |
| hemna | hehe | 18:14 |
| hemna | but | 18:14 |
| hemna | everyone hates removing drivers from tree | 18:14 |
| bswartz | I think the status quo is that we have less work to do upstream for bugfix backporting and that distros do the hard work of backporting your fixes 3 or 4 releases back to what customers actually use | 18:15 |
| hemna | we have lots of customers that use old versions of openstack and can't upgrade for a long time | 18:15 |
| hemna | so they get stuck on Icehouse, or Liberty or whatever | 18:15 |
| bswartz | do they use distros? | 18:15 |
| hemna | and we have no way of officially getting fixes to them w/o some abandoned patch or some forked github repo | 18:15 |
| hemna | it just sux IMHO | 18:15 |
| hemna | yah, some use Redhate | 18:16 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: True enough. We have the same problem and push up patches like you did. :-0 | 18:16 |
| bswartz | the official path is that they ask their distro for the fix and the distro backports it and tests that and supports it | 18:16 |
| bswartz | it's a win for the customer, a win for the distro, and a win for us upstream | 18:16 |
| hemna | it sucks that distros have to do the heavy lifting, when the maintainer of the driver knows the bugs and can backport and deal with merge conflicts, etc. | 18:16 |
| bswartz | yeah but the distros are the one getting paid for support | 18:17 |
| hemna | so I just end up pushing patches into gerrit | 18:17 |
| hemna | that will be abandoned just to have a url for the customer. | 18:17 |
| jungleboyj | Hemna ++ | 18:17 |
| hemna | that I've blessed for our driver that has the correct fix and merge conflict resolution, etc. | 18:17 |
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| hemna | bswartz, sure, but the distros eventually call me | 18:18 |
| hemna | to fix it | 18:18 |
| hemna | and have in the past. | 18:18 |
| hemna | over and over | 18:18 |
| hemna | it's just a dumb runaround | 18:18 |
| smcginnis | Interesting stable conversation at the summit. They tried extending the support period for a release after vendors promised to devote resources to maintaining older releases and doing backports. | 18:18 |
| hemna | and I think it's a bad experience for openstack users. | 18:18 |
| * bswartz mulls changing the stable branch policy.... | 18:18 | |
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| smcginnis | Literally three weeks after they agreed, the stable branch was broken and it took _months_ to get help getting it fixed. | 18:18 |
| hemna | as developers we are almost always focused entirely on master | 18:19 |
| smcginnis | So that was pretty much the end of that. | 18:19 |
| hemna | :( | 18:19 |
| bswartz | I think the only pushback we'd get from infra if we wanted to keep stable branches open forever would be that they can't keep old versions of devstack operational for years and years to allow the gate tests to run | 18:19 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: That would be tricky for sure. | 18:19 |
| hemna | the other problem here is that CI is not tagged/branched to support the older stable branches | 18:19 |
| hemna | so backported patches aren't really CI'd | 18:19 |
| hemna | anyway, </rant> | 18:20 |
| hemna | we have branches of devstack | 18:21 |
| hemna | oh well, I know this is a painful uphill battle | 18:21 |
| bswartz | honestly I'm not sure if we'd be helping much if we, for example, still had stable/juno around and were actively backporting bugfixes to that branch | 18:21 |
| hemna | so I just post patches that will get abandoned.... and move on. | 18:21 |
| hemna | so I don't think we should backport cinder core fixes | 18:22 |
| hemna | but driver fixes are different IMHO | 18:22 |
| bswartz | because redhat's version of juno is not the same as stable/juno so even if the we could test the backported fix on stable/juno redhat would still have to re-test on their branch of juno | 18:22 |
| hemna | a la the patch I just posted | 18:22 |
| hemna | it fixes a 3PAR driver problem that was only recently discovered | 18:22 |
| bswartz | well remember distros can and do backport core fixes to stable branches | 18:22 |
| hemna | but it affects 2 or 3 releases older | 18:22 |
| hemna | sure, but that's done individually by every distro....or not. | 18:23 |
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| hemna | and I know what my bug is | 18:23 |
| hemna | and have a fix for it. | 18:23 |
| hemna | and have it up | 18:23 |
| bswartz | yeah -- my point exactly | 18:23 |
| hemna | but who gets the support call? | 18:23 |
| hemna | me | 18:23 |
| bswartz | the distros end up diverging their stable branches after a while so the backported fixes needs to get tested by all of them anyways -- why not let them do the backport too? | 18:23 |
| hemna | and I end up dealing with it weeks later after the customer has gone through the support chain through the distro, and then through me. | 18:23 |
| hemna | it sux0rs for customers. | 18:24 |
| hemna | because if driver maintainers could have a mechanism for driver specific patches backported, everyone wins | 18:24 |
| hemna | the driver maintainer knows what the bug is, how to fix it, how to resolve conflicts and has the ability to push those up. | 18:24 |
| hemna | it's fixed one place | 18:25 |
| hemna | instead of 10 | 18:25 |
| hemna | :( | 18:25 |
| hemna | blah | 18:25 |
| hemna | I know, I'm nuts | 18:25 |
| hemna | :) | 18:25 |
| bswartz | yeah it does seem weird that driver fixes can't get backported -- the likelihood of individual drivers diverging in different distros' stable branchs is pretty low | 18:25 |
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| bswartz | why don't you guys do what netapp does and publish your own git repo with all the old stable branches? https://github.com/NetApp/cinder/tree/stable/icehouse | 18:27 |
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| hemna | yah that's a forked openstack | 18:27 |
| hemna | sadness | 18:27 |
| hemna | but yah I get that | 18:27 |
| hemna | we do have that | 18:27 |
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| bswartz | the theory is that it's a centralized place for distros to pull fixes and for users to go around their distros | 18:28 |
| hemna | https://github.com/hpe-storage/hpe-cinder-drivers | 18:28 |
| hemna | boo | 18:28 |
| bswartz | we wouldn't suggest anyone pulls anything other than the netapp drivers from the netapp cinder tree | 18:28 |
| hemna | it's just ugly | 18:28 |
| hemna | and confusing for customers | 18:28 |
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| akerr | though we do try and keep it minimally divergent with automated rebases of new patches that get merged into the upstream branches | 18:29 |
| hemna | pip install -U cinder-liberty-hp-driver | 18:29 |
| bswartz | hemna: life is so much easier before you have customers | 18:29 |
| akerr | except for master, don't look at our "master" branch :) I think its about 2 years old | 18:30 |
| hemna | hehe yah it is | 18:30 |
| bswartz | lol | 18:30 |
| hemna | we had a few good years of the wild west. | 18:30 |
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| hemna | akerr, our master branch is...empty :) | 18:30 |
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| bswartz | akerr: fixed | 18:31 |
| hemna | :) | 18:31 |
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| bswartz | although the empty master branch might be a better idea | 18:32 |
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| stevemar | jungleboyj: do you have someone that can take over https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290464/ | 19:16 |
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| jungleboyj | stevemar: I don't have resource to address that right now. smcginnis You know of anyone who might be appropriate for that work? | 19:58 |
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| smcginnis | Looking... | 20:00 |
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| smcginnis | Hmm, I thought I just saw a different patch from someone else this morning switching some things over to keystoneauth. | 20:00 |
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| stevemar | smcginnis: maybe that was cinder server side? | 20:02 |
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| stevemar | smcginnis: the client would need to move over too (it's the tougher migration of the two) | 20:03 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Ah, that was probably it. | 20:03 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Just a cursory look at that patch. What else needs to be done there? Just get the unit tests to pass? | 20:04 |
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| stevemar | smcginnis: pretty much | 20:04 |
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| smcginnis | stevemar: Well, theoretically that shouldn't be so bad. ;) | 20:04 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: :) | 20:04 |
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| smcginnis | stevemar: If anyone comes to me asking where they can help I'll point them there. | 20:05 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Otherwise I'll put it on my list to try to get to soon. | 20:05 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: i got troveclient working: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290971/ | 20:05 |
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| smcginnis | stevemar: OK, good. Good to have a similar one to have as a reference. | 20:05 |
| earlephilhower | Hi folks, is there a way of checking if my CI account is disabled? I'm seeing SSH errors in my zuul-merger git's but don't think I've changed anything on my end. | 20:06 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: yep, and novaclient has a patch that merged long ago too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256056/ | 20:06 |
| smcginnis | earlephilhower: I haven't seen anything, but you could ask in #openstack-infra | 20:06 |
| Swanson | earlephilhower, ask in #openstack-infra | 20:06 |
| Swanson | what smcginnis said. | 20:06 |
| earlephilhower | Swanson, smcginnis: Thanks | 20:06 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Cool, thanks. | 20:07 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: just wanted to share that, i wanted to see the core services moved over by n1, and i'll be offline for a few weeks | 20:07 |
| stevemar | np! | 20:07 |
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| smcginnis | stevemar: FWIW, I did see that work starting a long time ago and very briefly thought of trying to take it on. :) | 20:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | dulek: eharney ^^ Sorry guys :/ pep8 had failed. Good now.. | 20:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | eharney: Thank you! | 20:19 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks for following up with stevemar . :-) | 20:20 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: No worries. Hopefully someone can get to it soon. :) | 20:23 |
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