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| ehaselwanter | j^2 cool thing. how far away are we from juno/ubuntu-14.04 or juno/centos-7.0 | 08:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jens Rosenboom proposed stackforge/cookbook-openstack-integration-test: add a Rakefile to structure test runs https://review.openstack.org/134902 | 10:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jens Rosenboom proposed stackforge/cookbook-openstack-dashboard: Split out the dashboard related part into its own recipe https://review.openstack.org/134933 | 13:35 |
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| j^2 | ehaselwanter: not sure what you mean.... | 14:31 |
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| ehaselwanter | j^2 well, last time I tried (last week) there were issues with apache and rabbit .. | 15:02 |
| ehaselwanter | j^2 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-chef/+spec/trusty-juno | 15:03 |
| ehaselwanter | and out of the blue I guessed that centos 7 (major release bump) is in a comparable state ;-) | 15:04 |
| j^2 | ohhh ok, so yeah. with 14.04 when we update to chef-client 12 “most” of the issues should be gone | 15:12 |
| j^2 | centos7..not sure yet, i don’t think anyone has taken that mantel yet to start testing | 15:13 |
| j^2 | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcTntVdSOdArupqwlhLi-VZkAbd8b3ufIdYRgR2txebmm7wmA?authuser=0&hl=en | 15:16 |
| j^2 | that’s the status meeting link ^^^ | 15:16 |
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| j^2 | markvan: :( | 15:32 |
| j^2 | os-chef-bot: !start-meeting | 15:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/cookbook-openstack-integration-test: add a Rakefile to structure test runs https://review.openstack.org/134902 | 16:05 |
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| j^2 | https://github.com/jjasghar/chef-openstack-testing-swift | 16:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/cookbook-openstack-dashboard: Add volume_api_version for dashboard configurations https://review.openstack.org/134695 | 16:15 |
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| jmickle | j^2: how good are you with the openstack architecture? | 17:16 |
| libsysguy1 | jmickle: j^2 is a wizard in all things openstack | 17:17 |
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| jmickle | ;-) | 17:17 |
| jmickle | need some clarification around using NFS for hypervisors | 17:18 |
| jmickle | to store instances | 17:18 |
| jmickle | I am seeing some performance degradation | 17:18 |
| libsysguy | yeah I was about to ask that | 17:18 |
| jmickle | and wondering if its related to storing the instances on the NFS | 17:18 |
| jmickle | but i need to know why that would happen | 17:18 |
| jmickle | people around here keep arguing that the instances are in memory | 17:18 |
| jmickle | but i suppose thats only true if these are ephemeral root devices right? | 17:19 |
| libsysguy | doesn't NFS do some weird locking | 17:19 |
| jmickle | is it true that the instance image is still writing to the hypervisor volume | 17:19 |
| jmickle | even when i am not physically writing the instance’s disks? | 17:20 |
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| libsysguy | I think a lot of that depends on how you have NFS configured | 17:22 |
| libsysguy | but I am not too familiar with that style setup with openstack | 17:23 |
| j^2 | jmickle: yeah nfs storing the instances can’t be good | 17:28 |
| j^2 | do you have one nfs mount for everything? | 17:28 |
| j^2 | or is it split up? | 17:28 |
| j^2 | and don’t forget nfs is the “lowest” priority when it comes to networking traffic | 17:28 |
| j^2 | so it’ll be the first place you see degreation | 17:29 |
| j^2 | iirc | 17:29 |
| jmickle | yeah its 1 nfs mount i hate it | 17:30 |
| jmickle | but i need to prove its bad | 17:30 |
| jmickle | so we can get rid of it | 17:30 |
| jmickle | would it be true that the image is constantly writing to the volume? | 17:31 |
| j^2 | yeah it’s basiclly a stampeading heard problem, every one of your machines is hitting taht mount with _any_ change to the diff file that lays on top of the base image | 17:31 |
| j^2 | jmickle: exactly | 17:31 |
| jmickle | so even if its a memory based write on the instance | 17:32 |
| jmickle | is still a write to the diff ? | 17:32 |
| jmickle | which results in an upstream write | 17:32 |
| jmickle | correct? | 17:32 |
| j^2 | i’m pretty sure it does | 17:32 |
| jmickle | thats what i was thinking as well | 17:32 |
| jmickle | but people making me second guess | 17:33 |
| j^2 | it’s in “memory” but it has to have state stored someplace | 17:33 |
| jmickle | i think thats just how virtualization works right | 17:33 |
| j^2 | yep | 17:33 |
| jmickle | cause i think xen does the same | 17:33 |
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| j^2 | :D | 17:36 |
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| jmickle | j^2: do you know where i can find some documentation | 17:44 |
| jmickle | to support this? | 17:44 |
| jmickle | cause I have to prove this round here | 17:44 |
| j^2 | that’s a great question | 17:44 |
| j^2 | i’ll have to search around | 17:45 |
| jmickle | im drawing a blank on google terms for this | 17:45 |
| jmickle | haha | 17:45 |
| jmickle | cause its not an openstack thing | 17:45 |
| jmickle | its more of a virtualization thing | 17:45 |
| jmickle | right | 17:45 |
| j^2 | yep | 17:45 |
| j^2 | it’s how the underlying hypervisor would handle this stuff | 17:45 |
| j^2 | “state of vms on the hypervisor?" | 17:45 |
| j^2 | maybe something like that | 17:46 |
| jmickle | good idea let me try | 17:46 |
| jmickle | sorry for the lame question | 17:46 |
| j^2 | no worries, i’m glad to help :) | 17:46 |
| jmickle | gosh google is just littered | 17:47 |
| jmickle | with vmware crap | 17:47 |
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| jmickle | j^2: what type of virtualization are we working in? My assumption this is para-virtualization right | 17:51 |
| jmickle | maybe easier if i look at the specs for that type | 17:51 |
| j^2 | yeah, i’d double check the code | 17:51 |
| jmickle | oh man i dont even know where to start looking for that one do you think pulling open the nova-compute would be the start? | 17:52 |
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| jmickle | j^2: any idea what the major difference between PV and KVM would be? or is KVM still PV? | 18:01 |
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| j^2 | opps sorry been in standus | 18:01 |
| jmickle | no worries | 18:01 |
| jmickle | yeah looks like KVM is still PV | 18:03 |
| j^2 | that rings a bell | 18:04 |
| jmickle | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/vm_mode.py | 18:04 |
| j^2 | but honestly, i’m not horribly well versed here | 18:04 |
| jmickle | no worries i appreciate the help | 18:04 |
| jmickle | im not either it just helps to talk to someone about it | 18:04 |
| jmickle | haha | 18:04 |
| jmickle | sorry | 18:04 |
| j^2 | :D | 18:05 |
| j^2 | hell i rubber duck people all the damn time | 18:05 |
| jmickle | hahaha | 18:07 |
| jmickle | http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Memory | 18:07 |
| jmickle | actually im incorrect | 18:10 |
| jmickle | Xen is para-virtualization | 18:10 |
| jmickle | KVM is full | 18:10 |
| j^2 | Ah I think we default to KVM too | 18:10 |
| jmickle | yeah | 18:10 |
| jmickle | so with full the hardware has to support virtualization | 18:11 |
| jmickle | and is presented as physical hardware | 18:11 |
| j^2 | But its completely in memory then, state isn't stored? | 18:11 |
| j^2 | That doesn't seem correct | 18:11 |
| jmickle | not sure yet | 18:11 |
| jmickle | http://www.linuxnix.com/2013/02/what-is-kvm-virtualization-in-linux.html | 18:12 |
| jmickle | not sure how accurate this is | 18:12 |
| j^2 | Hmmm ok | 18:12 |
| j^2 | :-/ | 18:13 |
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| jmickle | i think states still do exist | 18:13 |
| j^2 | It has to. I know when I take down a hypervisor the guest box comes back up in the state I left it. Angry but in the same start | 18:16 |
| j^2 | State* | 18:17 |
| jmickle | yeah | 18:17 |
| jmickle | hmm kvm has an irc channel | 18:17 |
| jmickle | let me ping them | 18:17 |
| j^2 | Kk | 18:17 |
| jmickle | this is an interesting problem | 18:17 |
| jmickle | really good for knowledge | 18:17 |
| j^2 | Totally | 18:17 |
| jmickle | of course i know nobody in that chanell and its quiet | 18:19 |
| jmickle | haha | 18:19 |
| j^2 | Heh | 18:19 |
| jmickle | channel* | 18:20 |
| jmickle | one day il learn to type | 18:20 |
| j^2 | meh, typing is over rated | 18:23 |
| jmickle | haha | 18:23 |
| jmickle | so they are saying its based on the backing file format | 18:25 |
| jmickle | raw doesnt update states | 18:25 |
| jmickle | but qcow2 does | 18:25 |
| j^2 | and qcow2 is default | 18:26 |
| jmickle | yep | 18:26 |
| j^2 | that should be your proof :) | 18:26 |
| jmickle | hahaha | 18:26 |
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| j^2 | os-chef-bot: !status-meeting | 18:34 |
| os-chef-bot | Our hangout (live) status meeting are at 15:30 GMT 10:30 EST 07:30 PST on Mondays and we post the links to the Google Group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/opscode-chef-openstack | 18:34 |
| j^2 | os-chef-bot: !irc-meeting | 18:34 |
| os-chef-bot | Our IRC status meeting/office hours are at 15:30 GMT 10:30 EST 07:30 PST on Fridays we try to have as many core members here so we can discuss topics or issues users are having | 18:34 |
| j^2 | :D | 18:35 |
| jmickle | j^2: thanks again | 18:35 |
| jmickle | got lots of info | 18:35 |
| jmickle | ;-) | 18:35 |
| j^2 | :D | 18:35 |
| j^2 | sweet | 18:35 |
| jmickle | really good stuff | 18:35 |
| j^2 | could you write up a blurb about what you found? | 18:35 |
| j^2 | i’d love to read it | 18:35 |
| jmickle | absolutely | 18:35 |
| jmickle | well im going to go back now and use vmstat to monitor it | 18:35 |
| j^2 | more knowalage is always helpful :) | 18:35 |
| jmickle | to get some hardline metrics around it | 18:35 |
| jmickle | that way i have a decent article for it | 18:35 |
| jmickle | il blog it and share | 18:35 |
| jmickle | ;-) | 18:36 |
| j^2 | rock on thanks! | 18:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed stackforge/openstack-chef-repo: Fix object storage recipe names https://review.openstack.org/135054 | 19:10 |
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| j^2 | anyone got some cycles to help out a poor engineer trying to fix a test? :) | 20:16 |
| j^2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134668/ | 20:16 |
| j^2 | i cant figure it out for the life of me | 20:17 |
| markvan | j^2: isn't that just a simple update to the other spec: api-metadata-redhat_spec.rb:20 for the service name? | 20:21 |
| j^2 | i thought so | 20:21 |
| j^2 | but i cant seem to get it to pass | 20:21 |
| j^2 | or am i crazy? | 20:21 |
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| markvan | humm, maybe push up your latest changes and then I can grab it an take a look. | 20:23 |
| markvan | I think it's this line: https://github.com/stackforge/cookbook-openstack-compute/blob/master/spec/api-metadata-redhat_spec.rb#L21 and probably 17 | 20:23 |
| j^2 | yeah those are it’s updated. and yeah i tried changing taht and it didnt like it at all | 20:24 |
| j^2 | i thought that was the easy answer but it wasnt :( | 20:24 |
| j^2 | maybe i’ve been staring at it too long i dunno | 20:24 |
| markvan | yeah the output from spec errors can be vague, sometimes pointing to wrong spot | 20:26 |
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| markvan | j^2: worked for me. Used the following: expect(chef_run).to enable_service 'nova-api-metadata' | 20:37 |
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| j^2 | :-O | 20:37 |
| j^2 | i swear i tried taht | 20:37 |
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| markvan | name of source is different from name of service. I usually don't like that (-1 time) unless there's a good reason. | 20:38 |
| j^2 | let me try again i guess | 20:38 |
| markvan | /source/resource/ | 20:38 |
| j^2 | ah | 20:38 |
| j^2 | hey i’m just updating it ;) | 20:38 |
| markvan | In this case, the service name comes from an attribute, so it's ok to have them be different. | 20:39 |
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| markvan | btw, did you get a chance to look at the ec2 part of this? (our repo does not even have the ec2 stuff, so I did not try that yet.) | 20:39 |
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| j^2 | yeah it semes it’s not “required”? | 20:42 |
| j^2 | or at least i didn’t have have to touch it | 20:42 |
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| j^2 | one last test, and i think you’re right markvan :) | 20:51 |
| markvan | yeah, if you do a "service --status-all" you should see what the name of the ec2 service is, and update it accordingly. | 20:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | JJ Asghar proposed stackforge/cookbook-openstack-compute: Updated to start metadata-api https://review.openstack.org/134668 | 20:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | JJ Asghar proposed stackforge/cookbook-openstack-compute: Updated to start metadata-api https://review.openstack.org/134669 | 21:04 |
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| j^2 | markvan: ok, spinning up my cluster again gonna take a look | 21:28 |
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| j^2 | os-chef-bot: ping | 23:50 |
| os-chef-bot | PONG | 23:50 |
| j^2 | os-chef-bot: ambush markvan: this should have a time stamp here now —> | 23:54 |
| os-chef-bot | Ambush prepared | 23:54 |
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