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| gordc | flwang: i'd have to take a look at ceilometer kilo. | 00:10 |
| gordc | flwang: but if i think about it quickly, it should be possible | 00:11 |
| gordc | flwang: want to ask that in ML? i'm about to drive home. | 00:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometermiddleware: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/243919 | 04:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer-specs: remove cassandra driver https://review.openstack.org/243300 | 06:52 |
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| tomoiaga | damit, events RBAC just cancelled my work with events :) (Is there a plan to split events from ceilometer like aodh ?) | 07:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/243918 | 10:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Avi Weit proposed openstack/ceilometer: Change to cpu_util metric for kvm overcommited https://review.openstack.org/182057 | 12:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/aodh: Revert "Revert "Use oslo_config PortOpt support"" https://review.openstack.org/244096 | 13:12 |
| gordc | jd__: just fyi, we have stable/liberty now for aodh | 13:13 |
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| jd__ | gordc: yeah I shouldn't have let the openstack release folks take care of that project :p | 13:42 |
| gordc | lol the walls have ears | 13:43 |
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| cdent | jd__: any dustup from your comments about keystone's politics? | 13:57 |
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| gordc | jd__: you own this channel? | 14:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zi Lian Ji proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Enable LBaaS V2 for Ceilometer https://review.openstack.org/244139 | 14:45 |
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| jd__ | cdent: you wish but no | 15:06 |
| jd__ | gordc: no, openstackinfra does | 15:06 |
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| gordc | jd__: ok. i'll speak with them about switching this to openstack-telemetry | 15:09 |
| jd__ | gordc: I've registered #openstack-telemetry and gave them access to it | 15:09 |
| jd__ | they know how to do a redirection | 15:09 |
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| cdent | gordc is all about brand mgt | 15:09 |
| gordc | jd__: ah yeah? cool cool. | 15:10 |
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| gordc | cdent: i'm switching careers. marketing and sales! | 15:10 |
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| gordc | reason: they appear to have more money for parties. | 15:10 |
| cdent | you all about the parties? | 15:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/244181 | 16:14 |
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| kfox1111 | is there a way to have one tenant's ceilometer data go to a different mongo then the rest? | 18:57 |
| kfox1111 | or a set of hypervisors? | 18:58 |
| gordc | kfox1111: no. we didn't find a good way to support control at tenent level. | 19:03 |
| gordc | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/project-based-data-collection-configuration if you're interested | 19:03 |
| gordc | somewhat related | 19:04 |
| kfox1111 | ah. thanks. | 19:04 |
| kfox1111 | we have a project wanting to do 5 second sampling on a subset of hypervisors that are dedicated to them. its been causing... issues.... | 19:05 |
| gordc | kfox1111: on the message queue? or database? or service api? | 19:05 |
| kfox1111 | we're splitting off a dedicated rabbit for those and moving as much of ceilometer to dedicated hardware as we can. just looking for other options. | 19:05 |
| kfox1111 | openstack-ceilometer-compute sampling. | 19:06 |
| gordc | kfox1111: right. you have it configured to 5 second (which won't be usable from mongo pov) | 19:07 |
| kfox1111 | right. mongo gets kind of grumpy pretty quickly. :) | 19:07 |
| kfox1111 | is gnocchi better at that? | 19:08 |
| gordc | kfox1111: is the issue that there's too much load on nova api? or the message queue? or just that mongo starts collapsing | 19:08 |
| kfox1111 | mongo mostly. | 19:09 |
| gordc | kfox1111: gnocchi's aim is to solve that yes. it has archival policy support so it actually aggregates datapoints | 19:09 |
| gordc | so your db should be smaller/leaner. | 19:09 |
| gordc | we're still working on getting the integration between gnocchi+ceilometer perfect. | 19:10 |
| kfox1111 | sure. | 19:10 |
| gordc | i'm not sure at it's current state if it's at the level that can handle 5 second polling but if you're running liberty ceilometer you can give it a try. | 19:10 |
| kfox1111 | k. I think we'll have to give it a try one way or another. I'll let you know what I find. :) | 19:11 |
| kfox1111 | Thanks. :) | 19:11 |
| gordc | it might be too slow in it's write right now. | 19:11 |
| gordc | kfox1111: cool cool. let us know if you run into anything or need help with configuration. gnocchi team is open to all feedback | 19:11 |
| kfox1111 | will do. and thanks. :) | 19:12 |
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| flwang | gordc: around? | 19:25 |
| gordc | flwang: yep | 19:25 |
| flwang | gordc: i heard about ceilometer is trying split the notification part as a separated service, is that true? | 19:26 |
| gordc | flwang: yes, that was discussed at the summit. seems there's a lot of interest so it's getting bumped up | 19:26 |
| gordc | flwang: ityaptin/jd will be working on spec regarding design | 19:27 |
| flwang | gordc: cool, we(zaqar team) are interested in that, so the spec hasn't been proposed/submitted, right? | 19:27 |
| gordc | flwang: not yet. just the idea. | 19:28 |
| flwang | gordc: cool, i will talk with jd__ | 19:28 |
| gordc | kk | 19:28 |
| flwang | gordc: btw, not sure if i mentioned this before with you, see https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/network/floatingip.py#L66 | 19:29 |
| flwang | now the floating ip pollster is using nova api, but there is project id | 19:29 |
| flwang | that means, the floating ip can't be billed | 19:29 |
| flwang | now we(my company) have to keep a private patch to use neutron api to get the floating ip info | 19:30 |
| flwang | but we would like to upstream it | 19:30 |
| flwang | the question is | 19:30 |
| gordc | flwang: i don' think i understand. so the FIXME is not relevant anymore? | 19:30 |
| flwang | not really | 19:31 |
| flwang | the problem is currently, there is no project/tenent id is recorded in database | 19:31 |
| flwang | that means we can't know who is the owner/user of the ip | 19:31 |
| flwang | as a result, we can't charge/bill it in our billing system | 19:32 |
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| flwang | we can either fix it in nova, i tried, but it will need a spec and i would expect a long time to get it | 19:33 |
| gordc | flwang: sounds about right | 19:33 |
| flwang | or we can use neutron rest api to get the floating ip list | 19:33 |
| gordc | i guess #2 is our only option | 19:34 |
| gordc | how exactly do you use that 'meter' to bill? | 19:34 |
| flwang | so the question is, should we replace it with neutron api or we need to keep the backward compatibility by checking if there is neutron showing | 19:34 |
| flwang | otherwise still using nova's api | 19:34 |
| flwang | we need to use the project id | 19:34 |
| gordc | right...but that meter isn't actually measuring anything | 19:35 |
| gordc | it's hardcoded to volume=1 | 19:35 |
| flwang | or yes, we check how long the ip is used | 19:35 |
| flwang | we have a billing system which will wash/transform the meter collected from ceilometer | 19:36 |
| gordc | flwang: ok. so you look at duration? | 19:36 |
| flwang | for floating ip, we will calculate how long the ip is used | 19:36 |
| flwang | gordc: exactly | 19:36 |
| gordc | flwang: i'm just asking because i'm wondering what's a better way to solve this. because currently, you're collecting a lot of garbage between first and last | 19:37 |
| flwang | we would like to try gnocchi when it's ready :) | 19:38 |
| flwang | gordc: yes, and i think most of the other ceilometer use is doing the samething :( | 19:38 |
| flwang | TBH, most of the data in ceilometer is 'raw' data | 19:38 |
| flwang | which can't used directly for billing | 19:38 |
| gordc | well that is the purpose of ceilometer -- to collect data. | 19:39 |
| flwang | i agree :) | 19:39 |
| gordc | projects such as gnocchi are designed to make that data useful for a use case | 19:39 |
| flwang | gordc: if gnocchi can support transform data, it would be great | 19:40 |
| gordc | flwang: what do you mean by 'transform data'? | 19:40 |
| flwang | for example, for most of the metrics collected in openstack, we're charging them with 2 ways | 19:41 |
| flwang | 1. duration | 19:41 |
| flwang | 2. count/size | 19:41 |
| gordc | count/size == volume? or number of samples? | 19:42 |
| flwang | if gnocchi can do that with a 'template' or built-in transformer, it would be great, IMO | 19:42 |
| flwang | for example, volume size | 19:43 |
| flwang | sum of traffic | 19:43 |
| gordc | ok. was making sure you didn't mean number of samples | 19:43 |
| flwang | i see | 19:44 |
| flwang | we really want to try gnocchi, but we don't think it's the right time to use in production | 19:45 |
| gordc | tbh, while gnocchi does capture some lifespan data, it's mainly designed for metrics ie. cpu_util | 19:45 |
| gordc | i'd think your duration use case would be better as an event but that idea isn't fully fleshed out. | 19:46 |
| flwang | event sent out by gnocchi? | 19:46 |
| gordc | no, we have events and samples in Ceilometer. events capture state of resource, samples capture measurable attribute of a resource. | 19:47 |
| flwang | gordc: we're not really trust notification, you know | 19:48 |
| gordc | it's just right not events is really just for auditing and doesn't really have a billing/stats functionality | 19:48 |
| flwang | the reason is if the notification lost for some reasons, you never know the resource for billing | 19:48 |
| gordc | flwang: events are generated by notifications... but it doesn't need to be. | 19:49 |
| gordc | events are just a data model | 19:49 |
| flwang | gordc: ok, i see | 19:49 |
| gordc | it's not dependent on source. | 19:49 |
| flwang | or let's back to my original question | 19:50 |
| gordc | but yeah, right now you can't do much with regards to billing with events. | 19:50 |
| flwang | for the floating ip pollster | 19:50 |
| gordc | feel free to push up your patch. :) | 19:50 |
| gordc | i'm not sure i can help you get a patch into nova | 19:50 |
| flwang | is it ok just replace it with neutron api, or we still need to keep the nova api and check if there is a neutron api | 19:50 |
| flwang | by service catalog of keystone | 19:51 |
| gordc | you'll probably want to keep both. | 19:52 |
| flwang | gordc: ok, i think so, but just confirm with the PTL :) | 19:53 |
| flwang | gordc: thanks a lot, man | 19:53 |
| flwang | i think it's not necessary to create a spec but a RFE bug, right? | 19:53 |
| gordc | i'm honoured you think i have special powers :) | 19:54 |
| gordc | yeah, you can create a bug. | 19:54 |
| flwang | cool | 19:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/244181 | 21:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: add rohit_ to MAINTAINERS https://review.openstack.org/242058 | 21:20 |
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