openstackgerrit | Rohit Jaiswal proposed openstack/ceilometer: Implementation of dynamically reloadable pipeline https://review.openstack.org/190842 | 00:31 |
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openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: drop deprecated pipeline https://review.openstack.org/198189 | 01:41 |
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openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed openstack/aodh: Change the default api server port https://review.openstack.org/198210 | 04:22 |
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openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed openstack/aodh: Change the default api server port https://review.openstack.org/198210 | 04:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Add alarm severity in alarm-history output https://review.openstack.org/195239 | 06:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: drop deprecated pipeline https://review.openstack.org/198189 | 08:35 |
cdent | \o/ | 08:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Update alarm history only if change in alarm property https://review.openstack.org/195343 | 09:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Remove useless migration module https://review.openstack.org/197157 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Replaces methods deprecated in pymongo3.0 https://review.openstack.org/196611 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: notifier: tests stop method https://review.openstack.org/197156 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: impl_log: make methods static https://review.openstack.org/197159 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Remove code related to metadata/metaquery https://review.openstack.org/197158 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Fix options registeration in tests https://review.openstack.org/197071 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: api: remove v1 handling https://review.openstack.org/197155 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Move aodh.alarm.storage to aodh.storage https://review.openstack.org/196722 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: api: remove unused extra_hooks https://review.openstack.org/197154 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Move 'alarm_connection' to 'connection' https://review.openstack.org/196723 | 09:45 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: messaging: remove unused cleanup function https://review.openstack.org/197160 | 09:45 |
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cdent | jd__: you wanna push this please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195149/ | 10:01 |
cdent | danke | 10:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/gnocchi: Allow gnocchi API at /metric https://review.openstack.org/195149 | 10:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/gnocchi: carbonara: add a serializable mixin https://review.openstack.org/195096 | 10:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: sqlalchemy: fix lazy-loading of attributes https://review.openstack.org/198306 | 10:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: set default limit to meter/sample queries https://review.openstack.org/196792 | 11:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Ceilometer Collection Agents Split https://review.openstack.org/186964 | 11:34 |
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openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed openstack/ceilometer: Add documentation about the usage of api-no-pipline https://review.openstack.org/195409 | 12:05 |
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openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: add mandatory limit value to event list https://review.openstack.org/196827 | 12:20 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/ceilometer: Remove alarming code https://review.openstack.org/197161 | 12:22 |
jd__ | so how can I disable the Tempest tests against alarming in the gate? | 12:24 |
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cdent | jd__: I think you need to propose a patch to tempest that gets rid of them and then use a Depends-On clause in your removal patch | 12:26 |
jd__ | ok let's try that | 12:26 |
cdent | presumably what you really want is something that says "if alarming is around then do the tests" but I'm not sure if we've establised a service availble-ness | 12:27 |
cdent | I've been struggling with similar things all week with the devstack plugin stuff | 12:27 |
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jd__ | yeah I hope that if we start using the devstack plugin we can disable the tests in tempest via our plugin | 12:35 |
jd__ | so I'll just wait for that to happen for now | 12:36 |
cdent | I have some queries into the qa gang but they seem to be busy with other stuff. | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Ceilometer polling agent split https://review.openstack.org/186964 | 12:38 |
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openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: Revert "Revert "remove instance:<flavor> meter"" https://review.openstack.org/192503 | 13:00 |
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gordc | cdent: is your plan to send the sample right when it's built? | 13:10 |
cdent | Yeah, pretty much. Is there something not cool about that? | 13:10 |
gordc | cdent: because right now i think there's already some batching logic included. https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/e64311726afa792ed67b61c85ccc78dec8b7625c/ceilometer/agent/base.py#L175-L180 | 13:11 |
cdent | yeah, but that batching exists because there are sinks | 13:11 |
gordc | just walking through the pollster code now but it seems to group by meter | 13:11 |
cdent | if you get rid of sinks, then all that stuff kind of goes away | 13:12 |
cdent | the concept of a publisher goes away | 13:12 |
gordc | not sure it's related to sinks... all the references mention source | 13:12 |
gordc | we have some strange overloaded variable names | 13:13 |
cdent | that's because it is finding the sink based on the source name | 13:13 |
cdent | self.publishers[source_name] are those publishers (defined in sinks) which match the source name | 13:13 |
cdent | it is really confusing | 13:13 |
cdent | which is why I'm desperate to simplify it | 13:13 |
cdent | figure out what to poll, do discovery, poll those resources, yield samples | 13:14 |
cdent | that's all | 13:14 |
cdent | ™ | 13:14 |
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gordc | right. but it will batch all the samples of a meter from all resources | 13:14 |
cdent | "it"? | 13:14 |
gordc | polling logic | 13:15 |
cdent | the current polling logic is only as it is because there are sinks | 13:15 |
cdent | I think we should replace the polling logic | 13:15 |
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cdent | to make it simple: | 13:15 |
cdent | read the sources section, setup pollings tasks | 13:15 |
gordc | right, my comment is that this will make 1 messages into x messages which might be 10 to 1000x more | 13:16 |
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cdent | yes, and my comment is: So? | 13:16 |
gordc | ... it's much more efficient to batch. | 13:16 |
cdent | then the messaging bus is broken | 13:16 |
gordc | not just load, but processing itself is much better | 13:17 |
gordc | i get the message bus should scale but grabbing 1 thing 10 times is going to be slower than grabbing 10 things 1 time. | 13:17 |
cdent | I'm mostly talking out my butt here, just trying to push us into making a real change because the current way things work is impossible to understand when in fact the thing being done is really simple | 13:18 |
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cdent | when you say "thing" what do you mean? | 13:18 |
gordc | message. | 13:18 |
gordc | errr in the first context... | 13:18 |
gordc | basically if you grab a message of 10 things it'll be quicker than grabbing 10 messages | 13:19 |
gordc | just the fact that it's all done sequentially on the listener end. | 13:19 |
cdent | It may be quicker but at least to me it is the wrong data structure. It's not atomic. By being not atomic we are making a statement about how things are "heard" and contractually atomic things are easier. | 13:20 |
cdent | since there is no guarantee that all samples will be in a given message you still need the logic to be aware that more might be coming | 13:21 |
gordc | all samples for what? | 13:22 |
cdent | exactly! we don't know! | 13:22 |
cdent | because we don't know who wants to consume them | 13:22 |
cdent | s/don't/shouldn't/ | 13:22 |
cdent | batching them implies there is an association | 13:22 |
cdent | when there may or may not be | 13:22 |
gordc | why do we need to know. you just process whatever is in the payload of message whether it's one or 10 | 13:22 |
cdent | so why do you care about sequentially? | 13:23 |
gordc | i don't. i'm just saying that's how it works in oslo.messaging. it's not a stream... | 13:23 |
gordc | iiuc, a consumer queues up, and waits for message, grabs it and leaves, and next one steps up | 13:24 |
gordc | it's a lot more work if they have to keep coming back and grabbing a single message of 1 thing, rahter than a single message of 10 things | 13:25 |
cdent | that suggests that if you want to enhance performance horizontally that grab should grab as small a message as possible so that the contact between the consumer and the bus is as short as possible so that many consumers can gather round? | 13:25 |
cdent | certainly if you have only one consumer you want one large message | 13:25 |
cdent | but we don't want just one consumer | 13:25 |
cdent | we want many | 13:25 |
gordc | i have no proof of this but i don't think it's the processing that's the long part. it's the part of returning to the queue to grab another item. | 13:26 |
cdent | (Now seems like a good time to remind you that I'm talking about my butt, so if I'm just talking crazy, please say so, but like I said I'm trying to explore.) | 13:26 |
gordc | same here! | 13:26 |
gordc | the talking out ass bit | 13:27 |
cdent | he said ass | 13:27 |
gordc | dockey | 13:27 |
cdent | I've been such a good boy and been using butt | 13:27 |
gordc | donkey | 13:27 |
gordc | butt is for simpsons. | 13:27 |
* cdent needs an adult | 13:27 | |
cdent | I think it is worth doing some prototyping | 13:27 |
gordc | yeah, i think that'd be good. | 13:28 |
cdent | Not merely from a performance standpoint but also from a "how does the code look standpoint" | 13:28 |
cdent | it will also help me to actually understand what the pipeline-related code is doing because I've read through it several times now and I'm still going "wtf? wtf? WTF!" | 13:28 |
gordc | i just brought it up because when i did pipeline coordination work in notification. | 13:28 |
gordc | the requeuing actually adds overhead.... 30-40ms | 13:29 |
cdent | sure | 13:29 |
cdent | but that's a slightly different context. in the polling environment the costs of doing stuff is amortized across the polling period. we're definitely moving cost to the notification agent but in general the proposals we are tossing about lately move a _lot_ of costs to the notification agent | 13:30 |
cdent | not just the one we're talking about now | 13:30 |
cdent | it will be interesting to see how having the notification agent be the sole transformation engine works out... | 13:30 |
cdent | One thing I noticed about the polling agent is that is lumps all the polling for any given interval into tasks | 13:31 |
cdent | which means that you're not getting the interleaving one could get | 13:31 |
cdent | I think it makes more sense to have many tasks, some of them on the same interval | 13:31 |
gordc | yeah... i think we need more logic in transformation engine. right now we force everything down a single path even if there's no transformation or requirement for ordering | 13:32 |
cdent | that sounds like an opportunity™ | 13:33 |
* cdent hides under a rock | 13:33 | |
gordc | true. i think we need to experiment with polling agent. i don't really have an easy alternative. | 13:33 |
gordc | i thought about how to handle it last cycle. it got harder and harder more i thought about it. | 13:33 |
cdent | think less do more! | 13:33 |
* cdent is agile | 13:34 | |
* gordc is going to reread llu's spec for declarative snmp meters to see if that can help | 13:36 | |
cdent | ✔ | 13:37 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Remove test-requirements-py3.txt. https://review.openstack.org/196930 | 13:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Add documentation about the usage of api-no-pipline https://review.openstack.org/195409 | 14:00 |
gordc | _nadya_: do you know if gating on mysql/postgres is part of functional tests work you guys are doing? | 14:01 |
_nadya_ | gordc: let me ask guys :) I hope so | 14:02 |
ityaptin | gordc: yes, mysql and postrgres jobs will add to our functional tests, i think | 14:04 |
gordc | cool cool | 14:08 |
gordc | ityaptin: can i target this for liberty? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/sql-unit-tests-on-real-backend | 14:08 |
ityaptin | gordc: yes, i think | 14:08 |
gordc | ityaptin: i'll do that. please let me know if you need help with it. | 14:09 |
_nadya_ | cdent: btw, whats overhead we will have when polling agent will push a message back to queue? I'm trying to count how many time a message from nova may become in mq :) 4 times is my result for now | 14:11 |
_nadya_ | nova is just an example | 14:11 |
cdent | _nadya_: I don't know, but I'm writing some prototype code right now so I should be able to inspect that sort of thing next week | 14:11 |
cdent | Trying to figure it out by just thinking about it has proven too hard :) | 14:12 |
_nadya_ | cdent: sure :) | 14:12 |
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openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: add mandatory limit value to resource list https://review.openstack.org/198427 | 16:22 |
openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: add mandatory limit value to resource list https://review.openstack.org/198427 | 16:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Ilya Tyaptin proposed openstack/gnocchi: InfluxDB storage driver https://review.openstack.org/165407 | 16:47 |
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