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| openstackgerrit | Rohit Jaiswal proposed openstack/ceilometer: Fix catch-all event def to exclude !event https://review.openstack.org/187397 | 00:25 |
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| vivek_nandavanam | Hi, what is the default retention period for Ceilometer? | 02:08 |
| rjaiswal | Think it's disabled by default but can enabled by specifying metering_time_to_live in ceilometer.conf | 02:21 |
| rjaiswal | Value in seconds | 02:21 |
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| vivek_nandavanam | So by default, are the samples kept in the database forever? | 02:31 |
| vivek_nandavanam | Looking at http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/section_telemetry-storing-data.html | 02:31 |
| vivek_nandavanam | When the database dispatcher is configured as data store, you have the option to set a time_to_live option (ttl) for samples. By default the time to live value for samples is set to -1, which means that they are kept in the database forever. | 02:31 |
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| vivek_nandavanam | time_to_live is a different option compared to metering_time_to_live | 02:32 |
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| vivek_nandavanam | Nevermind I see that time_to_live is deprecated | 02:35 |
| vivek_nandavanam | rjaiswal: Thanks | 02:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Disable rgw pollster when aws module not found https://review.openstack.org/185295 | 04:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: Remove AvoidDictInterface https://review.openstack.org/187669 | 08:26 |
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| jd__ | therve: damn everything got merged fast :) | 08:27 |
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| kaliya | hello, I'm facing http://paste.openstack.org/show/258889/ is this ceilometer, oslo or both? | 09:12 |
| kaliya | Juno | 09:12 |
| cdent | kaliya: do you have a dist-packages/ceilometer*.egg-info/entry_points.txt file? | 09:15 |
| cdent | (or something similar) | 09:15 |
| cdent | (the path may be different from what I'm showing) | 09:15 |
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| kaliya | cdent: now not, I must login to the system. What's there in that file? | 09:17 |
| cdent | that lists the entry points that stevedore will use to find out things like what dispatchers are available | 09:18 |
| cdent | it's a quite long file, mine looks like this: | 09:18 |
| cdent | http://paste.openstack.org/show/258901/ | 09:19 |
| cdent | at line 49 is "[ceilometer.dispatcher]" | 09:19 |
| cdent | the error message you're showing is suggesting that that information is not present or not being read for some reason | 09:19 |
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| kaliya | what is the dispatcher in ceilometer? a core component? | 09:20 |
| cdent | the dispatcher "dispatches" collected meters to a next stage, usually database storage | 09:21 |
| kaliya | cdent: thanks much indeed, today I check | 09:22 |
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| cdent | If it is the case that you don't have an entry_points.txt then something went wrong with your installation and lots of stuff will not work properly | 09:23 |
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| kaliya | good starting point, thanks cdent ;) I have still alot to learn about ceilometer | 09:30 |
| cdent | me too! :) | 09:31 |
| therve | jd__, Yeah apparently people don't care :) | 09:54 |
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| cdent | jd__: this https://jenkins01.openstack.org/job/gate-gnocchi-python34/25/console has happened twice in a row now on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187669/ | 10:15 |
| jd__ | grmbl | 10:15 |
| cdent | so I'm guessing there's something not giving backs its postgress connections | 10:16 |
| cdent | (apparently it is use extra letter s day for me) | 10:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: Raise the PostgreSQL connections to 200 + Remove AvoidDictInterface https://review.openstack.org/187669 | 10:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: Use pg_ctl for initdb https://review.openstack.org/187932 | 10:18 |
| cdent | bandaid | 10:19 |
| cdent | I'll look at the test code and see if I can find any dangling references | 10:19 |
| jd__ | yeah :( | 10:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/178332 | 10:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Fixes DiskInfoPollster AttributeError exception https://review.openstack.org/186915 | 10:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: WSME version >=0.7 correctly returns a 405 https://review.openstack.org/187649 | 12:42 |
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| cdent | jd__: I think I figured it out, it's basically a problem with the way the gabbi tests were calling setup_app. patch forthcoming | 12:44 |
| cdent | (with my changes I can get the tests to pass with a postgres -N 6) | 12:45 |
| jd__ | cdent: feel free to remove the -N 200 option then if not necessary :) | 12:45 |
| jd__ | awesome | 12:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/gnocchi: Raise the PostgreSQL connections to 200 + Remove AvoidDictInterface https://review.openstack.org/187669 | 12:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/gnocchi: Use pg_ctl for initdb https://review.openstack.org/187932 | 13:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/gnocchi: Handle indexer connections more cleanly in tests https://review.openstack.org/187995 | 13:06 |
| gordc | jd__: cdent: we have any plans on capping wsme<0.7.0 for stable/kilo? i assume we are leaving the breaking changes from 0.7.0 as is? | 13:14 |
| jd__ | no se | 13:14 |
| cdent | I am not wise in the ways of these capping things | 13:15 |
| cdent | but I suppose for safety the right kilo thing might be wsme=0.7 | 13:15 |
| gordc | jd__: what's 'se'? what i google 'no se' it just assumes i mean 'nose' | 13:16 |
| cdent | el habla español | 13:17 |
| gordc | cdent: oh fancy hairpiece on the 'n' | 13:17 |
| gordc | cdent: i'm just asking for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187969/ | 13:17 |
| cdent | I knöw rîght | 13:17 |
| gordc | if we cap requirements, we technically don't need that backport | 13:17 |
| cdent | ah | 13:18 |
| gordc | why do you know how to put hats/roofs/hairpieces on so many letters? | 13:18 |
| cdent | I don't know much about capping requirements, but I do know about capping letters | 13:19 |
| gordc | lol word. | 13:19 |
| cdent | it's cuz I use one of these new fangled mac things with easy ways to compose characters | 13:19 |
| cdent | I tend to think that capping requirements makes things hard for people who live in the real world | 13:20 |
| gordc | i use this new fangled windows thing now and i realised fedora might not be so bad afterall | 13:20 |
| cdent | oh dear | 13:20 |
| cdent | If we backport that test, then we also have to backport a change in requirements to require >=0.7, otherwise the test will fail | 13:21 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah. | 13:21 |
| cdent | which feels hairy | 13:21 |
| gordc | cdent: i'll check with dhellmann | 13:21 |
| cdent | he probably at least knows what the normal thing to do is | 13:21 |
| cdent | I think we should never backport anything and require people always upgrade :) | 13:22 |
| cdent | burn world! burn! | 13:22 |
| gordc | cdent: that's what i say all the time. but then ildikov says no. | 13:22 |
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| dhellmann | gordc, cdent : if wsme 0.7 breaks kilo a cap seems in order | 13:22 |
| cdent | Sorry BüRN | 13:22 |
| gordc | dhellmann: :) thanks. will cap it in kilo | 13:22 |
| cdent | that was easy :) | 13:23 |
| * ildikov is reading history :) | 13:23 | |
| cdent | about 15 billion years ago... | 13:24 |
| ildikov | cdent: do we support rolling upgrade with no downtime? | 13:24 |
| cdent | :) | 13:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/gnocchi: Require pecan 0.9, gaining 405 and unicode fixes https://review.openstack.org/188002 | 13:27 |
| ildikov | cdent: I guess that equals to no and now you're a big fan of backporting, right? :) | 13:31 |
| * cdent thinks about how to phrase what he thinks... | 13:32 | |
| cdent | I guess: If we are far too willing and able to backport things then the likelihood of us or anyone else ever getting around to implementing clean rolling upgrades decreases | 13:33 |
| cdent | This is in the same camp of: If we cap requirements all the time then we are being bad citizens to the wide open open source community because we are not encouraging bugs to flow freely and it is bugs which are the driving force of this kind of work. | 13:33 |
| cdent | So my fundamental position is: on the open source side of things it is very important to always be moving forward. On the commerce side of things (the consultants, the distros, the people who sell stuff), that's where concerns about backporting should really be located. | 13:34 |
| cdent | I recognize that this is not entirely practical nor pragmatic and compromises will always need to be made, but when each of us takes different positions the diversity of opinions leads, eventually, to the best outcomes | 13:36 |
| cdent | or if you want me to be less serious: | 13:36 |
| cdent | meh, I don't run clouds, I jus write code | 13:36 |
| ildikov | from user and vendor perspective you cannot operate on trunk, so some amount of backporting is needed, just like backward compatibility | 13:39 |
| ildikov | this does not mean that I like it, but we need to accept the need for it | 13:39 |
| ildikov | what I'm usually aiming for is balance and trying not to mention gordc's favourite word too many times :) | 13:41 |
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| cdent | :) balance is good | 13:44 |
| cdent | I tend to be politically oriented towards making things as hard as possible for vendors | 13:44 |
| cdent | and as interesting/easy as possible for individuals | 13:45 |
| jasonamyers | basically cdent hates me | 13:45 |
| cdent | totes dood, you are so the Enëmy | 13:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Move eventlet using commands into own directory https://review.openstack.org/179054 | 13:46 |
| jasonamyers | all evil and corporatey | 13:46 |
| cdent | yeah, that's one of the things I noticed about you in Vancouver | 13:46 |
| cdent | I thought: Man, that jason guy is such a suit | 13:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: TraitText value restricted to max length 255 https://review.openstack.org/178435 | 13:47 |
| jasonamyers | clearly | 13:50 |
| ildikov | well, I prefer to earn some salary too, so it's not that black and white IMHO :) | 13:51 |
| ildikov | jasonamyers: no worries, I'm trying to keep cdent on the ground to not make your life complete hell :) | 13:52 |
| cdent | I'm serious though: I think it is _very_ important that we balance the weight of enterprisey concerns with other concerns; of course it is not black and white in _action_ but sometimes it is useful when _discussing_ to speak in black and white so the conversation can move along quickly | 13:52 |
| cdent | the outcome of the discussions will lead to good stuff (eventually) | 13:53 |
| cdent | ideally it will mean that jasonamyers does all the work | 13:53 |
| cdent | :D | 13:53 |
| jasonamyers | cdent: agreed in my case Im not the end customer so Im often not advocating my own position | 13:54 |
| ildikov | cool, I always wanted to opem a bakery... :D | 13:54 |
| jasonamyers | COOKIES! | 13:54 |
| cdent | cöökies | 13:54 |
| jasonamyers | and speaking of corporate apparently we're buying Piston cloud | 13:55 |
| jasonamyers | off to learn about that | 13:55 |
| cdent | wow | 13:55 |
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| cdent | that's kind of a bummer, consolidation makes my inner anarchist sad | 13:56 |
| jasonamyers | nod | 13:57 |
| cdent | Ⓐ | 13:57 |
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| gordc | jasonamyers: breaking news? | 14:01 |
| gordc | cdent: i'm actually wearing a suit today. it's corporate picture day | 14:01 |
| jasonamyers | just announced it seems | 14:01 |
| cdent | https://fortune.com/2015/06/03/cisco-to-buy-piston-cloud/ | 14:02 |
| jasonamyers | gordc: wins this corporate award them | 14:02 |
| jasonamyers | never been in a suit | 14:02 |
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| jasonamyers | only a tux to get married | 14:02 |
| cdent | gordc: you gonna replace your avatar image with your new suit styleee | 14:02 |
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| prad | jasonamyers, interesting news | 14:02 |
| gordc | cdent: i should. i need to buy some more suits. people will start noticing it's the same shirt, tie, suit. | 14:03 |
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| gordc | it's like when you get carded and you're wearing the exact same clothes as your id... | 14:03 |
| cdent | do you speak from personal experience on that one? | 14:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/gnocchi: Handle indexer connections more cleanly in tests https://review.openstack.org/187995 | 14:06 |
| gordc | cdent: all the time. i only have a few shirts. and asians look like children so we get carded constantly.lol | 14:06 |
| jasonamyers | OMD | 14:07 |
| jasonamyers | haha | 14:07 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: :) | 14:09 |
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| dikonoor | gordc: Hi. Implemented your comment for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187593/. Could you take a look? | 14:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/ceilometer: sqlalchemy: use JSON from sqlalchemy-utils https://review.openstack.org/185658 | 14:17 |
| dikonoor | gordc:I have some queries on event rbac. I noticed that I was not able to put the regular rules for events in the ceilometer policy.json file (like you can do for meters). The only rule that works in for admins i e only admins can view events. zqfan pointed out that events don't have user and project information stored with it | 14:18 |
| dikonoor | gordc: With the current event schema , it's not possible to add role-based or user or project based restrictions to events. For eg. If I want to add a restriction that says - only the user who generated an event can view it - that don't work | 14:20 |
| dikonoor | gordc: Similarly , I cannot add a restriction that says that only users from a speific project should be able to view their events (and not users from another project).. | 14:21 |
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| gordc | dikonoor: yes. that is not possible. i'm not sure we can ensure there's always a tenant or user id for every message | 14:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/gnocchi: Require pecan 0.9, gaining 405 and unicode fixes https://review.openstack.org/188002 | 14:28 |
| dikonoor | gordc: As auditing is now moved as events, a rbac rule that says something like - "user can see only their audit data" would add a lot of value. | 14:28 |
| gordc | dikonoor: do you know what type of changes would be required? | 14:29 |
| dikonoor | gordc: user/project info for all events may not be present but I believe it will be for all audit records. | 14:29 |
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| dikonoor | gordc: On the changes, my guess is that the generated events should have user/project info but I haven't looked at where that change has to go in | 14:30 |
| dikonoor | gordc: second change would be on the policy enforcement for events , which now allows only admins to view it | 14:31 |
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| gordc | dikonoor: if the user/project info are in the traits part of event, can we still apply rbac rules? | 14:31 |
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| dikonoor | gordc: I will have to check that.. So I guess your thought process is that for events where user/project data is available , that could be added in the traits and then rbac could run on that | 14:33 |
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| dikonoor | gordc: Let me check and get back. Ceilometer rbac as a whole looks very different from how it's implemented in the other services.. | 14:33 |
| gordc | dikonoor: :( i think part of it was to ensure backward compatibility. but if you can point out differences maybe we should move it as close to other implementations as possible to ensure consistency | 14:35 |
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| dikonoor | gordc: I did not quite understand the need for a rbac.py (which then calls oslo_policy)..but I guess it's for backward compatibility.. I noticed that apart from the rules (in policy.json) that involve roles , other rules don't work..for eg. stuff like these "owner": "user_id:%(user_id)s", | 14:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Drop use of 'oslo' namespace package https://review.openstack.org/180681 | 14:37 |
| dikonoor | gordc: These sort of rules work fine in all other projects( those that use oslo-incubator policy code and those who have moved to oslo_policy) | 14:38 |
| gordc | dikonoor: hmm. maybe we can open a bug for that. | 14:38 |
| dikonoor | gordc: I tried only for meter samples . I was trying to see if only the user who generated a meter samples could view the samples.. | 14:39 |
| dikonoor | gordc: ok..I will open one.. | 14:39 |
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| gordc | dikonoor: cool cool. thanks | 14:41 |
| dikonoor | gordc: https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/api/rbac.py#L63 . I did not completely understand what this segregation rule is needed for and the method get_limited_to.. looks like it's trying to restrict the access to certain users? | 14:42 |
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| dikonoor | gordc: I went through the logic but I feel this can be removed and this support can be provided by routing the request directly to oslo_policy and by setting the right rules in the policy.json | 14:43 |
| gordc | dikonoor: hmm. to be honest, i'm not super familiar with rbac work... | 14:44 |
| gordc | dikonoor: but yeah, if we can move the handling outside of ceilometer and provide the same functionality, i'm all for it. | 14:44 |
| dikonoor | gordc: For all requests , rbac should be controlled by the policy.json ..So let me start by opening couple of bugs.. Will add details there. ..Who would be the right person to contact for ceilometer rbac? | 14:45 |
| gordc | dikonoor: not sure we have a contact for rbac specifically. fabiog implemented it. but if you can, i'm hoping you can fix it. :) | 14:46 |
| dikonoor | gordc: :) | 14:47 |
| dikonoor | gordc: could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187593/ when you get a chance ? Thanks | 14:48 |
| gordc | sure | 14:49 |
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| karolyn | Hi gordc, sorry, I've been away. I'm getting back to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182057/ now. The cpu_util calculation for overcommit on kvm. I saw you had a comment about if it's a new agent | 15:17 |
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| karolyn | gordc: so the code uses the Linux kernel schedstats counters instead of libvirt. So that makes it a new agent, correct? or am I misunderstanding what "agent" means in this context? | 15:23 |
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| gordc | karolyn: sorry. was in a meeting. | 15:31 |
| gordc | karolyn: yeah, i guess the question was more whether it needed to function on the host or if it could exists outside host | 15:31 |
| gordc | but considering you mention kernel schdstats i'm assuming it's on the host? or is it on the instance? | 15:32 |
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| karolyn | It's on the host | 15:34 |
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| karolyn | gordc: Not sure if my previous message went through. I lost my connection... It is on the host. | 15:40 |
| gordc | karolyn: sorry again, didn't get a prompt for your message | 15:40 |
| gordc | karolyn: but that's good to know it's on the host and not instance. | 15:41 |
| karolyn | gordc: Do you think it's okay to do this in the cpu_util metric? or would you prefer it be a different metric? | 15:42 |
| cdent | gordc: since DinaBelova is otherwise occupied should we make me the QA liaison (since I'm kind of it by default anyway): https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#QA | 15:42 |
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| gordc | karolyn: i think it's ok to replace it as i think that's what people actually expect from the meter. | 15:48 |
| gordc | cdent: sure. i'm ok with it. i think DinaBelova said she'd be busy with internal stuff for part of this cycle still but she can correct me otherwise | 15:49 |
| gordc | karolyn: does the cpu_util value still behave the same when it's not overcommit? | 15:49 |
| cdent | roger that | 15:49 |
| * cdent updates | 15:49 | |
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| karolyn | it will always use schdstats...but when it's not overcommitted, it should come up with the same value as libvirt was before | 15:50 |
| gordc | karolyn: ah i see. so i guess we don't need the transformer for libvirt to generate cpu_util meters after this. | 15:52 |
| gordc | karolyn: i think it's ok to replace. we can just mark it as docimpact and we'll note the change. | 15:52 |
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| karolyn | gordc: okay, I'll rebase and make a few other tweeks and put out another patch | 15:57 |
| gordc | karolyn: awesome. thanks! | 15:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/188090 | 17:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/188090 | 17:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/188090 | 17:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-ceilometerclient: [unittest] Increase client and shell modules cover https://review.openstack.org/178659 | 17:49 |
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| rjaiswal | Gordc: updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184655 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187397, please have a look. Thanks | 18:09 |
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| gordc | rjaiswal: cool cool. will look | 18:29 |
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| prad | gordc, hey | 19:53 |
| gordc | prad: so about exchanges... | 19:53 |
| gordc | i don't recall what fabiog's idea was. | 19:54 |
| gordc | i saw he reopened his notification_meter_pipeline... which i still don't think we need | 19:54 |
| prad | gordc, yea i thought he wanted to put something at the pipeline level.. vaguely recall | 19:54 |
| gordc | prad: ok. yeah i think that's it | 19:54 |
| gordc | i think the idea was that he wanted a pipeline to control notification meters vs polling meters | 19:55 |
| jasonamyers | he wants a way to drain to kafka | 19:55 |
| prad | gordc, yea something like that | 19:55 |
| prad | gordc, but it isnt very clear to me how that would work | 19:55 |
| gordc | so that can be done as of today. we pass in the pipeline file to each of the agents... each agent has it's own copy regardless of polling/notification | 19:56 |
| gordc | it just so happens that everyone is lazy and passes the same pipeline file to both polling and notification agents | 19:56 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: you can correct me if i'm wrong but i'm pretty sure the drain to kafka stuff is possible today? | 19:57 |
| prad | i think drain to kafka was a different discussion? dint think that was related to exchange control stuff we discussed at the summit | 19:58 |
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| gordc | prad: i'll reread the spec. | 20:00 |
| gordc | but i think we should leave exchange control out of your declarative meters work for now. | 20:01 |
| prad | gordc, thx.. i'll update the spec to make it a bit more clear where i'll be adding the new base class etc.. but i need some clarity on how we go about with exchange control. that part of the spec is not flushed out | 20:01 |
| prad | gordc, well i'm cool with that, but the exchange control opts have to go somewhere when the notifiction.py files are nuked? | 20:02 |
| gordc | prad: true true | 20:02 |
| jasonamyers | gordc: it is he wants to avoid hitting the queue a second time I think | 20:02 |
| jasonamyers | I wasnt towing the corporate line for that as it seemed unneccessary | 20:03 |
| jasonamyers | to add that | 20:03 |
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| jasonamyers | thus his frustration with me | 20:04 |
| gordc | prad: imo i think we should just add an option. you list the exchanges you want to listen to, by default we include all exchanges | 20:04 |
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| gordc | jasonamyers: i see... i think he was against having our polling agents requeue to be processed by notification agent. | 20:05 |
| prad | gordc, and the base notification agent class will process that? | 20:05 |
| jasonamyers | gordc: yeah that as well | 20:05 |
| gordc | yeah. | 20:05 |
| gordc | prad ^ | 20:05 |
| prad | hmm ok.. i'll play around with it and see.. | 20:06 |
| prad | i'll mark the spec WIP till i flush out the exchange control piece | 20:06 |
| prad | gordc, feel free to review anyway | 20:06 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: i'm undecided on that... i think it'd move a lot of the processing load off polling agents (and by association off compute nodes) | 20:06 |
| gordc | that said, i don't know if there's much load from polling agents (aside from hitting apis) | 20:07 |
| gordc | but probably something to investigate... it'd also make our polling agents 'declarative' as well | 20:07 |
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| prad | gordc, when you get a chance glance through it again https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187339/ | 20:24 |
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| gordc | prad: sure. i might need to look at it later tonight. going to go coach some baseball in a bit and have to finish up some other stuff | 20:26 |
| prad | gordc, sure np .. enjoy your baseball | 20:27 |
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