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| ajayaa | jd__, Hi. I was going through the notification handler for cinder in ceilometer. Here I see that When a volume is created two samples are stored for volume.size meter and similarly when a volume is deleted two samples are created for volume.size. Are we not storing three samples extra for volume.size meter? | 07:11 |
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| ajayaa | eglynn-office ^^ | 07:12 |
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| eglynn-office | ajayaa: good morning | 09:50 |
| ajayaa | eglynn-office, good morning! It's afternoon in India btw. ;) | 09:51 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: so, we've two volume notification handlers, one of which emits "volume" sample (i.e. the thing exists) | 09:52 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: ... and the other emits a "volume.size" sample (i.e. so many GB in block storage is accounted for by this volume) | 09:52 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: the reason you're seeing 2 samples in quick sucession for each meter | 09:52 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: ... is I suspect because the volume notifications occur in pairs | 09:53 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: ... i.e. volume.delete.start forllowed by volume.delete.end to bracket off the deletion workflow | 09:53 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: I suspect we should only react to volume.delete.end in this case | 09:54 |
| ajayaa | eglynn-office, Yes. That's what I was thinking also. The volume.size meter should only catch one of volume.create.start, volume.create.end, volume.delete.start, volume.delete.end. | 09:55 |
| ajayaa | The most appropriate I think is volume.create.end | 09:55 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: yes, volume.create.end amd volume.delete.start | 09:56 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: *and | 09:56 |
| eglynn-office | hmmm, IIRC we used to have a similar pattern with the comoute event types | 09:56 |
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| eglynn-office | ... i.e. just consuming compute.instance.create.end as opposed to compute.instance.create.{start|end} | 09:57 |
| * eglynn-office digs in git fossil record | 09:57 | |
| ajayaa | eglynn-office, okay. Can I file a bug for this? | 09:57 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: sure, please do | 09:57 |
| ajayaa | eglynn-office, Thank you. | 09:58 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: yes, that was the case initially for the compute.instance.{create|delete} events ... https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/commit/d615fb87 | 10:00 |
| eglynn-office | hmmm | 10:00 |
| * eglynn-office dig some more | 10:01 | |
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| ajayaa | eglynn-office, I am not convinced that volume.size meter should react to volume.end.start. The meter "volume" should react to both volume.create.end and volume.delete.start | 10:03 |
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| ajayaa | The volume.size is only concerned with size of volume of created. | 10:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ajaya Agrawal proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Add spec for MagnetoDB metering support https://review.openstack.org/126335 | 10:06 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: volume.end.start? | 10:06 |
| liusheng | Hi eglynn-office, ajayaa , for samples from notification, gordon chung has filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1384874 | 10:06 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: we should react to volume.create.end I think | 10:06 |
| liusheng | that try to drop the meters that are really events | 10:06 |
| ajayaa | eglynn-office, yes! | 10:07 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: that much block storage is now available for use once volume.create.end is emitted | 10:07 |
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| ajayaa | s/volume.end.start/volume.delete.start | 10:08 |
| ajayaa | eglynn-office, +1 | 10:08 |
| eglynn-office | ajayaa: agreed ... I'm digging thru history to figure out (un-forget) why we changed this | 10:09 |
| ajayaa | eglynn-office, liusheng, Can you please point me to a place where I can learn more about events. | 10:10 |
| eglynn-office | hmmm, here's the change I was looking for | 10:12 |
| eglynn-office | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38485/7/ceilometer/volume/notifications.py | 10:12 |
| shardy | Hey Ceilometer folks | 10:12 |
| eglynn-office | shardy: hey! | 10:12 |
| shardy | FYI I've raised this spec about proxying metric samples via heat: | 10:13 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132198/ | 10:13 |
| shardy | Comments re the sanity or otherwise of the approach would be great! :) | 10:13 |
| liusheng | ajayaa: for instance create/delete events, i.e. notification-agent will emit samples "instance", but this meter actually is events, we have polling agent to gather instance samples | 10:13 |
| shardy | hey eglynn-office! | 10:13 |
| shardy | Not urgent, I know everyone is super busy pre-summit, just wanted to draw your attention to it :) | 10:14 |
| eglynn-office | shardy: interesting, will definitely read before summit ... we can discuss f2f next week if needed | 10:14 |
| shardy | eglynn-office: Yup, that would be great, wanted to get the idea out there ahead of time | 10:14 |
| shardy | eglynn-office: thanks! | 10:15 |
| eglynn-office | shardy: makes sense :) | 10:15 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: can you remember why https://review.openstack.org/38485 changed from consuming volume.start.end & volume.delete.start, to volume.create.* & volume.delete.*? | 10:16 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: seems were doubling up the number of samples triggered by a create and a delete | 10:16 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: (similarly for compute.instance.create.start & compute.instance.delete.end) | 10:17 |
| shardy | eglynn-office: Thanks for the feedback | 10:18 |
| shardy | eglynn-office: the only risk I see is all the agents become a giant Heat DoS engine, so I guess we'll have to selectively rate limit the signals somehow | 10:19 |
| shardy | eglynn-office: does ceilometer rate-limit sample creation at the API level? | 10:19 |
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| eglynn-office | shardy: yep, that's a good point ... distributed rate limiting is not something we've been strong on traditionally in OpenStack | 10:20 |
| eglynn-office | shardy: nope, ceilometer-api does no rate limiting as things stand | 10:20 |
| eglynn-office | shardy: this has been raised as a customer issue | 10:20 |
| shardy | eglynn-office: Yeah, it should be a relatively inexpensive thing for heat to handle, but it's still a concern | 10:20 |
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| eglynn-office | shardy: how does heat do it, if the heat-api/engine layers are horizontally scaled out? | 10:21 |
| shardy | The problem for heat is we might be willing to drop a few metric signals on the floor, but we must never ever drop completion signals etc | 10:22 |
| shardy | eglynn-office: currently we don't really do rate limiting either tbh | 10:22 |
| shardy | our main problem is when other services do, and we need to retry things | 10:22 |
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| eglynn-office | shardy: I seem to remember vek up spinning a turnstile project to do distributed per-tenant rate limiting across scaled out nova-api | 10:23 |
| eglynn-office | (using redis as the distributed cache IIRC) | 10:23 |
| * eglynn-office wonders what happened to that effort ... | 10:23 | |
| shardy | eglynn-office: aha, thanks, I'll see if I can track down any details | 10:23 |
| eglynn-office | shardy: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/turnstile ... last updated 2013-05-01 :( | 10:24 |
| shardy | eglynn-office: Hmm, ok thanks, I may defer the rate-limit problem for now then.. | 10:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ajaya Agrawal proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Add spec for MagnetoDB metering support https://review.openstack.org/126335 | 10:33 |
| cdent | sigh, this identity theft saga has taken a turn for the unpleasant: | 10:45 |
| cdent | last week someone at my previous address signed, in my name, to accept the delivery of a phone "I" ordered | 10:45 |
| cdent | nobody lives tehre | 10:46 |
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| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: FYI I've started fleshing out the influx side of our design session on "mapping gnocchi semantics onto ..." | 12:24 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, a-ha, cool! | 12:26 |
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| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: BTW no response yet from pauldix on whether he'll be attending summit | 12:26 |
| eglynn-office | ... which leads me to suspect he won't be | 12:27 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, well, it looks so.. | 12:28 |
| DinaBelova | sad really | 12:28 |
| DinaBelova | his help was quite a nice thing on the mid-cycle event | 12:28 |
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| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: yeap | 12:31 |
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| vrovachev | eglynn-office: hi, resource id on metric 'identity.authenticate.success' ( http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/measurements.html#identity-keystone) not equal 'user ID'. It's bug or feature? ;) | 15:19 |
| eglynn-office | vrovachev: https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/identity/notifications.py#L57 uses the resource_info in the notification payload | 15:27 |
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| eglynn-office | vrovachev: ... set here by keystone https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/notifications.py#L251 | 15:27 |
| eglynn-office | vrovachev: ... that value are you seeing? | 15:27 |
| vrovachev | eglynn-office: e.g. http://paste.openstack.org/show/127660/ | 15:28 |
| eglynn-office | vrovachev: ... should we using the notification payload ['initiator']['id'] instead in that case too? | 15:28 |
| eglynn-office | vrovachev: openstack:8d8978d6-e71c-4016-888c-0de43f16e027 ... what's the UUID in that case? | 15:28 |
| vrovachev | eglynn-office: maybe, but this id not equal to any uuid for users :) | 15:30 |
| vrovachev | eglynn-office: user list: http://paste.openstack.org/show/127661/ | 15:30 |
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| eglynn-office | vrovachev: a tenant UUID perhaps? | 15:31 |
| vrovachev | eglynn-office: one moment | 15:31 |
| vrovachev | eglynn-office: http://paste.openstack.org/show/127662/ | 15:32 |
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| vrovachev | eglynn-office: now spend sinkup on team, half an hour i will look rabbit keystone messages. | 15:33 |
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| eglynn-office | vrovachev: cool | 15:35 |
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| vrovachev | eglynn-office: Incidentally, by default Keystone notifications on devstack is turned off :) Here is my localrc: http://paste.openstack.org/show/115325/ | 15:44 |
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| eglynn-office | vrovachev: I suspect that a pycadf artifact | 15:53 |
| eglynn-office | vrovachev: i.e. the 'openstack:UUID' | 15:53 |
| eglynn-office | vrovachev: keystone uses pycadf to generate the events | 15:53 |
| eglynn-office | vrovachev: I wouldn't surprised is that mysterious UUID was generated with in pycadf | 15:54 |
| eglynn-office | vrovachev: e.g. here https://github.com/openstack/pycadf/blob/master/pycadf/event.py#L135 | 15:54 |
| vrovachev | eglynn-office: heh, clearly | 15:55 |
| vrovachev | eglynn-office: We must make sure that keystone sends wrong messages to rabbit and create a bug. I now do it. | 15:57 |
| eglynn-office | vrovachev: I wonder should keystone be setting the id kwarg in the call to the pycadf eventfactory | 15:58 |
| eglynn-office | ... https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/notifications.py#L430 | 15:58 |
| eglynn-office | i.e. to avoid the uuid being internall generated? | 15:58 |
| vrovachev | hm | 16:00 |
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| eglynn-office | vrovachev: can you log the entire notification payload you're seeing? | 16:05 |
| vrovachev | eglynn-office: i have 2 environments, 1 - devstack in master(keystone notifications not works, I'm trying to understand - why), 2 mirantis openstack(with ceilo rc2 version, now I will look here) | 16:09 |
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| vrovachev | eglynn-office: I took it: http://paste.openstack.org/show/127678/ | 16:21 |
| vrovachev | eglynn-office: really, id in payload not equal to any user or tenant id | 16:23 |
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| vrovachev | eglynn-office: and i took notification to rabbit on master devstack: http://paste.openstack.org/show/127700/ | 16:47 |
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