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| * cdent leans in for the uphill battle | 11:38 | |
| cdent | Is there a short story written down somewhere about how OpenStack came to be built on Python? Because so much of the way things are done seem to be unpythonic (at least according to the python culture I learned in) or at least by people who don't actually like python. | 11:41 |
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| eglynn | cdent: sorry, you now owe Sheryl Sandberg $1.99 in royalities for use of her signature phrase ;) | 11:46 |
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| cdent | If I had said lean out, I would have had to subscribe to model view culture | 11:46 |
| eglynn | cdent: which specific unpythonic bits did you have in mind, or more a general feeling? | 11:48 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... BTW note that some of the sytlistic awkwardness may have been driven by a certain company's insistence that python 2.6 support be maintained until Juno ;) | 11:48 |
| cdent | The main cause of friction for me is the use of unitests style tests. | 11:49 |
| cdent | That's a JavaIsm | 11:49 |
| cdent | But there's also a general sense of too much OO, not enough functional | 11:49 |
| eglynn | a-ha, no worse evil is there in this world, than transplanted Javaisms | 11:50 |
| cdent | part of it may also be that I have never made specific distinctions between unit, functional, etc tests, rather that tests are for helping you make good stuff and generally speaking, you should try to write them first | 11:50 |
| cdent | which is supposed to drive a sense of iteration in all the things: incremental improvements | 11:51 |
| cdent | which gets totally thrown off by the sense that any time someone writes something down, unless it is a fully formed thought, it struggles | 11:51 |
| cdent | In my earlier cultures the idea was to post early and often for the sake of friendly critical review which acknowledged (and excepted) things to be half assed | 11:52 |
| cdent | because iteration was coming soon | 11:52 |
| eglynn | such distinctions between test types are not helped in our case when the units aren't all very, well, unit-y | 11:52 |
| * cdent blames gerrit for everything ;) | 11:52 | |
| eglynn | merging half-assed stuff with the expectation of iterating soon after would be a problem though for the trunk-chasers in our world, so we're stuck some sort of review-time buffer like gerrit | 11:54 |
| * eglynn smiles at how OO has gone out of style | 11:54 | |
| eglynn | ... there was a time then no amount of OO was too much, like motherhood and apple pie | 11:54 |
| cdent | yup, I remember those times too | 11:54 |
| cdent | I think OO is good for establishing interfaces, where things go awkward is deep inheritance. | 11:54 |
| cdent | My other heretical thought is: I don't like DRY in tests. I like very verbose noisy tests, in part because I think it makes it easier to make DRY implementations. | 11:55 |
| cdent | The usual excuse for OO in tests is to allow DRY, but what's the point, that just makes them less literate (readable) | 11:55 |
| eglynn | well we'd a nasty example of even shallow inheritence in that dispatcher_manager not set race condition | 11:56 |
| * cdent hopes this spew winds itself down soon... | 11:56 | |
| * cdent nods | 11:56 | |
| eglynn | hmmm, I must admit to liking concise parameterized test code instead of endless repetition of very similar setup/verification for related test case | 11:57 |
| cdent | sure, but there are visible and invisible ways to do that | 11:57 |
| cdent | err on the side of visible... | 11:58 |
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| cdent | I think part of what happens is that people get attached to the notion that each test needs setup and teardown whereas often it is okay to have setup and teardown per file | 11:58 |
| eglynn | visibility of the old _do_test_blah(self, expectations) pattern I tend to use? | 11:58 |
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| cdent | as a result of people get all attached to magic for setup and teardown | 11:59 |
| cdent | because they don't want it getting in the way | 11:59 |
| cdent | one way to prevent things getting in the way is to no do it! | 11:59 |
| cdent | Ω | 12:00 |
| * eglynn wants a fancy keyboard like cdent's | 12:00 | |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Propose a suite of declarative http api tests https://review.openstack.org/129669 | 12:00 |
| cdent | ^ that's updated with a reference to the mailing list thread and a few small adjustments based on Doug's comments | 12:01 |
| eglynn | ... is feeling left out by a lack of tick symbol and omegas | 12:01 |
| eglynn | coolness, I'll have another look | 12:01 |
| cdent | On my keyboard Ω is alt-z | 12:01 |
| cdent | which is a nice touch | 12:01 |
| eglynn | cdent: what's your feeling on leaving it brew pending the ML discussion playing out (as opposed to eagerly landing the spec?) | 12:02 |
| cdent | Somewhere in the dark past it became meaningful as a symbol of a donkey braying | 12:02 |
| cdent | I think it should brew for a while, but I'm not sure how to actually get people to attend to the thread... | 12:02 |
| eglynn | yep, I agree | 12:02 |
| eglynn | in other news ... | 12:04 |
| eglynn | I pushed the ceilo design track to sched.org as discussed yesterday at the team meeting | 12:04 |
| eglynn | http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/ceilometer | 12:04 |
| * cdent cues the imperial march musi | 12:04 | |
| eglynn | not yet eteched in stone, but will need to be finalized v. soon, so shout if anyone's got a conflict | 12:05 |
| cdent | itsabummer that it could be spread out over a few more days | 12:05 |
| cdent | thursday is gonna be a brain melter | 12:05 |
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| eglynn | yeah, we gotta just take what we get I'm afraid in terms of the slots | 12:05 |
| eglynn | oslo had all their sessions spread out at ATL | 12:06 |
| eglynn | but the usual is for contiguous spans for each project | 12:06 |
| eglynn | so the logic in assigning topics to slots ... | 12:06 |
| eglynn | 1. in-tree tests on Wed as several other projects are discussing same on that day (nova, ironic, heat) | 12:07 |
| eglynn | 2. gnocchi-related session together | 12:07 |
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| eglynn | 3. monasca and kafka publisher sessions together, as kafka relevant to both topic | 12:07 |
| cdent | that all makes sense | 12:08 |
| eglynn | anyhoo, still change-able, so anyone's if got an alternative preference, just holler! | 12:08 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: it looks fine to me | 12:32 |
| eglynn | ildikov: coolio :) | 12:32 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: it's good that it's flexible, just don't do that last minute reorganization, like on he last summit... | 12:33 |
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| * eglynn struggles to remember a last minute re-organization in ATL | 12:34 | |
| eglynn | ... my memory must be dulled by the haze a few choice hangovers ;) | 12:34 |
| ildikov | eglynn: we had some issues with placing the Gnocchi session to a slot that is good for everyone, who's interested | 12:35 |
| eglynn | ildikov: a-ha, yes, it clashed with an oslo session initially | 12:36 |
| ildikov | eglynn: so finally we lost the logical ordering of the sessions and ended up in always referring to the next session | 12:36 |
| eglynn | ildikov: yeap, got it now :) | 12:36 |
| ildikov | eglynn: but we survived that also, I thinkn the pod area helped much, so all good by the end :) | 12:37 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I hope this time there will not be extreme air condidtioning though... | 12:37 |
| eglynn | ildikov: yeah, so no pod this time, bit instead a contributor meetup for the whole day on friday | 12:37 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: yeap, the point is that we have an alternative chance to discuss things that are important to us | 12:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Ilya Tyaptin proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add a performance tests' tool for Gnochci dispatcher https://review.openstack.org/129938 | 12:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Ilya Tyaptin proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add a gnocchi dispatcher https://review.openstack.org/98798 | 12:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: [MongoDB] Fix bug with reconnection to new master node https://review.openstack.org/122387 | 13:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Allows to filter out the gnocchi generated samples https://review.openstack.org/128922 | 14:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add a gnocchi dispatcher https://review.openstack.org/98798 | 14:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ilya Tyaptin proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add performance tests https://review.openstack.org/129237 | 15:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ilya Tyaptin proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: Add performance tests https://review.openstack.org/129237 | 15:26 |
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| ityaptin | jd__: Hi! I refactored performance tests and added README. If you may take a look, please. https://review.openstack.org/129237 and https://review.openstack.org/129938. | 15:28 |
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| jd__ | ityaptin: I sure will : | 15:52 |
| jd__ | :) | 15:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/130840 | 16:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Block non-admin user to get meters https://review.openstack.org/130854 | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Block non-admin user to get meters https://review.openstack.org/130854 | 16:52 |
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| cdent | there seems to be a fair bit of controversy associated with that change | 17:00 |
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| cdent | nsaje: how's your new life? | 17:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: remove empty columns in trait table https://review.openstack.org/130868 | 18:21 |
| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: modify events sql schema to reduce empty columns https://review.openstack.org/130869 | 18:21 |
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| gordc | ...anyone understand git here? | 18:40 |
| clarkb | gordc: maybe | 18:41 |
| gordc | clarkb: :) | 18:42 |
| gordc | clarkb: problem: i just pushed 2 dependent changes... except they really should be one (the 1st change by itself doesn't actually make sense) | 18:43 |
| clarkb | gordc: checkout the tip change, then `git rebase -i HEAD~2` this should list both commits for the two changes | 18:43 |
| gordc | clarkb: ok. i'll give that a try. thanks! | 18:44 |
| clarkb | gordc: change the bottom 'pick' to 'squash' this will roll the second change into the first. you will be given opportunity to update the commit message so that you can accomodate any necessary changes there | 18:44 |
| clarkb | at the very least you should remove one of the change ids | 18:44 |
| clarkb | (be sure to abandon that one in gerrit) | 18:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: modify events sql schema to reduce empty columns https://review.openstack.org/130869 | 18:50 |
| gordc | clarkb: cool, i think that did it. thanks as always for the advice! | 18:51 |
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