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| openstackgerrit | samta proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Alarms listing based on "timestamp" https://review.openstack.org/106371 | 05:16 |
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| nsaje | ildikov_: hey Ildiko, can you have another look at the arithmetic transformer spec? I replied with request for comments :-) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105467/ | 10:46 |
| ildikov_ | nsaje: sure, but I need some time as I'm on a meeting right now, where I have to actively participate :S | 10:47 |
| ildikov_ | nsaje: will check when we have the next break | 10:47 |
| nsaje | ildikov_: darn, I hate such meetings! ;-) | 10:48 |
| nsaje | ildikov_: better if you can nap during | 10:48 |
| ildikov_ | nsaje: not my favourites either, but I do not have a choice here as I'm scrum master... :( :) | 10:55 |
| nsaje | get off IRC then! | 10:55 |
| nsaje | people need you :) | 10:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Piyush Masrani proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: VMware Vsphere Declarative polling spec https://review.openstack.org/105130 | 11:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Piyush Masrani proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: VMware Vsphere Declarative polling spec https://review.openstack.org/105130 | 11:20 |
| boris-42 | ildikov_ hi | 11:29 |
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| nsaje | ildikov: how's that meeting going? | 12:30 |
| ildikov | nsaje: I will have a few seconds to check your answers soon | 12:31 |
| nsaje | ildikov: great, thanks! | 12:33 |
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| ildikov | nsaje: added some more comments :) | 12:49 |
| nsaje | ildikov: thanks! reading now | 12:49 |
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| nsaje | ildikov: quick question: if we go with simpler approach (no TTL), we are limited to sources with same interval. which do you prefer? | 13:00 |
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| nsaje | ildikov_: quick question: if we go with simpler approach (no TTL), we are limited to sources with same interval. which do you prefer? | 13:00 |
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| ildikov_ | nsaje: another meeting, I will get back, when I'm free again | 13:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Fix incorrect use of timestamp in test https://review.openstack.org/106564 | 13:10 |
| cdent | there ya go nsaje, that ought to pass muter | 13:11 |
| cdent | muster! | 13:11 |
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| eglynn | amalagon: o/ | 13:34 |
| cdent | eglynn: can you use your special powers to kick this into another verify check: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106385/ | 13:35 |
| amalagon | eglynn: o/ | 13:37 |
| eglynn | amalagon: 1:1 time? (apols for my lateness) | 13:37 |
| amalagon | eglynn: sure! | 13:37 |
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| cdent | Can someone help me resolve a WTF with regard to a test failure: this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106564/ just had this failure: http://logs.openstack.org/64/106564/2/check/check-swift-dsvm-functional/d182536/console.html#_2014-07-14_13_22_53_118 | 14:07 |
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| nsaje | cdent: I'm just in the process of bugging infra and swift guys over it | 14:17 |
| nsaje | cdent: all the patches in ceilo are failing because of it, and in other projects as well | 14:17 |
| cdent | Ah, okay, so it is something more than just a blip of weirdness. | 14:17 |
| nsaje | cdent: unfortunately, yep | 14:17 |
| cdent | I saw the error message and thought: why in the world would that even happen. | 14:17 |
| cdent | the sky is falling! | 14:18 |
| ildikov | nsaje: now I have a few minutes for you :) | 14:19 |
| nsaje | ildikov: wonderful! :-) | 14:19 |
| nsaje | ildikov: so the question is: if we go with simpler approach (no TTL), we are limited to sources with same interval. which do you prefer? | 14:20 |
| ildikov | nsaje: I guess we will kind of limited anyway | 14:21 |
| nsaje | ildikov: in what way? | 14:22 |
| ildikov | nsaje: I mean I wouldn't spend much time as a user to figure out how to setup the TTL and the intervals to get some useful data | 14:22 |
| nsaje | ildikov: I understand your point of view and agree with it, but we could have sane defaults I guess | 14:23 |
| ildikov | nsaje: so if I would have a chance to choose to collect memory util data, then I would fill in the checkbox, but I do not care about how it is gerenrated/collected, if the value itself is correct | 14:23 |
| nsaje | ildikov: hmm, yes, that's true, but this patch isn't just about a single new meter | 14:23 |
| ildikov | nsaje: yes, but if you change one value, you can change the others too, otherwise you will loose the sanity part | 14:23 |
| nsaje | ildikov: it's about a mechanism to enable the user to produce custom meters based on arithmetic expression - and if a user wants that, he doesn't want just a checkbox | 14:24 |
| nsaje | (memory_util is just one example that would be implemented with this transformer) | 14:24 |
| ildikov | nsaje: I know, I'm just concerned how much the users would use the kinds of this simple example and how much the complex ones | 14:25 |
| ildikov | nsaje: for simple monitoring it's almost enough what we have now, for data mining, or any complex analyzation, it's not Ceilometer IMHO | 14:26 |
| ildikov | nsaje: but I'm still not against the whole idea | 14:26 |
| nsaje | ildikov: of course not, this is just derivation of new metrics, not any kind of analysis | 14:26 |
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| ildikov | nsaje: I just wanted to point out, that if it is too difficult to set up, then it will not be useful | 14:27 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ... or not as widely used as it could be | 14:27 |
| nsaje | ildikov: ok let's do a user story: if I have meter A with 45s cadence and meter B with 60s cadence and want a new meter that is A * B, what is the expected result? | 14:28 |
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| ildikov | nsaje: in what meaning? | 14:29 |
| nsaje | a) nothing happens, since they don't have the same cadence | 14:30 |
| nsaje | b) new meter every 180s (LCM(45,60)) | 14:30 |
| nsaje | c) new meter at 45s, 60s, 90s, 120s... (probably not) | 14:30 |
| ildikov | nsaje: a-ha, so you compare the solutions here, ok | 14:30 |
| nsaje | sorry, *meter -> sample | 14:31 |
| ildikov | nsaje: and what is the TTL value in this case? | 14:31 |
| ildikov | nsaje: and how you set up TTL for each newly defined transformer by default? | 14:31 |
| ildikov | nsaje: these two questions are related to the TTL-included solution of course | 14:31 |
| nsaje | ildikov: a) there isn't one, b) 0s theoretically. But we need to account for lag in processing, so anything < 15s should work, because two unrelated samples are always at least 15s apart | 14:33 |
| nsaje | ildikov: I know this is impossible to expect from a user to set up, just brainstorming here :) | 14:34 |
| nsaje | c) > 30s, which means we just take two latest samples | 14:35 |
| ildikov | nsaje: but you said that we could have a sane default, but it will always depend on the related meters | 14:35 |
| nsaje | ildikov: yep, I take that back | 14:36 |
| ildikov | nsaje: and I cannot imagine when an operator tries to set up a billing or monitoring data collection system by playing with the sane value for latency and mix of different sampling intervals | 14:37 |
| nsaje | ildikov: I agree, but this means we get limited to the same interval of approach #1 | 14:37 |
| ildikov | nsaje: TBH, I do not really think that nowadays anyone would touch pipeline.yaml because of any other reason than chaning the sampling interval... | 14:37 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ... but it's only personal opinion | 14:37 |
| nsaje | ildikov: probably true | 14:37 |
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| ildikov | nsaje: I think if someone really would like to use this, it's easier to live with this limitation, than investigating that something is not working because of a bad TTL value somewhere | 14:39 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ... so my vote is on #1 for sure | 14:39 |
| ildikov | nsaje: too much freedom is not good in this business | 14:40 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ... in most cases users have problems with what to even measure | 14:40 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ... and I meant the palette of the default possibilities, nothing more difficult than that | 14:41 |
| ildikov | nsaje: but no offence, it's really just my opinion and a not too huge experience I already had | 14:43 |
| nsaje | ildikov: none at all taken, this is all up for debate | 14:43 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ok, cool :) | 14:44 |
| nsaje | ildikov: I'll do some more thinking on this, but if I can't a betterway to implement #2 without TTL, I think #1 is better as well | 14:44 |
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| ildikov | nsaje: cool, thanks for the effort on this | 14:45 |
| ildikov | nsaje: you can ping me any time, if you need help, opinion, etc | 14:46 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ... maybe today is not the best as my next meeting is in 15 minutes, but still, I will try to answer, as soon as I can :) | 14:47 |
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| nsaje | ildikov: can you check the comments on that spec when you have time? | 16:12 |
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| ildikov | nsaje: where are we now then? | 16:20 |
| ildikov | nsaje: I mean regarding to the preferred approach mostly | 16:20 |
| nsaje | We agree that #1 is preferred, since it doesn't need a user to set TTL | 16:22 |
| nsaje | the most simple and most intuitive | 16:22 |
| ildikov | nsaje: another question that I had in mind that will there be any transformer added by default to pipeline.yaml, that requires this approach, or it will be a provided solution that the user can play with according to the docs? | 16:22 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ok, cool, you just said that you will think over the #2 once more if it can be done without ttl or not, so I wasn't sure | 16:23 |
| nsaje | ildikov: I don't know for sure, but memory_util seems interesting. The only problem is that the meters required for calculation aren't available everywhere, so it could be in the pipeline but commented out | 16:23 |
| nsaje | ildikov: I did, but I didn't find anything :-) | 16:23 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ok :) | 16:23 |
| ildikov | nsaje: memory util is very problematic as maybe vSphere provides it without any calculation and libvirt is far from providing memory usage info :( | 16:24 |
| nsaje | ildikov: ok, this is a question for another day anyway I think | 16:24 |
| ildikov | nsaje: yeap, I just wanted to know if you consider adding any new transformer by default as it has log impact | 16:26 |
| nsaje | ildikov: there's a question regarding the log impact inline in the sec | 16:27 |
| nsaje | *spec | 16:27 |
| nsaje | ildikov: oops, i think it's a statement, rather, sorry :-) | 16:27 |
| ildikov | nsaje: :) | 16:28 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ok, so it seems that we are close to an agreement here | 16:29 |
| nsaje | ildikov: great, any more considerations? | 16:30 |
| ildikov | nsaje: I think the spec should be updated with one tiny sentence in the docco section that we have an interval limitation and a bunch of Warning logs, if the user hasn't read the measurements docco properly | 16:31 |
| nsaje | ildikov: will do! | 16:31 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ... I will add a comment on gerrit and then you can also fix the missing '* 100' in one round | 16:32 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ... and then I think we're good from my side | 16:32 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ... and I guess from eglynn's side also :) | 16:33 |
| ildikov | nsaje: ok, review comment added, thanks for your time and effort to answer all my questions and concerns :) | 16:39 |
| nsaje | ildikov: great! Thank you for taking the time to review the spec :) | 16:39 |
| ildikov | nsaje: np :) | 16:39 |
| nsaje | ildikov: can you check if the wording is ok? so we don't need another cycle | 16:39 |
| nsaje | Documentation must make it clear that the meters included in the expression | 16:40 |
| nsaje | must have the same cadence. In case that the expression contains meters | 16:40 |
| nsaje | with different cadences or nonexisting meters, the user should expect to have | 16:40 |
| nsaje | a warning logged for each unsuccessful calculation. | 16:40 |
| ildikov | nsaje: yes, I think it's ok | 16:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nejc Saje proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Arithmetic transformer spec https://review.openstack.org/105467 | 16:42 |
| ildikov | nsaje: there's another memry_util example... | 16:44 |
| nsaje | ildikov: yikes | 16:45 |
| ildikov | *memory* | 16:45 |
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| ildikov | nsaje: could you fix that too? and then I promise I will not check the doc for typos :) | 16:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Nejc Saje proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Arithmetic transformer spec https://review.openstack.org/105467 | 16:47 |
| nsaje | ildikov: did I get them all this time? | 16:47 |
| nsaje | :-) | 16:47 |
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| ildikov | nsaje: actaully I thought the one in the Alternatives section, as there is a 'unit: %' included :) | 16:49 |
| ildikov | nsaje: so it seems you have one more :) | 16:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Nejc Saje proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Arithmetic transformer spec https://review.openstack.org/105467 | 16:49 |
| nsaje | ildikov: here you go! | 16:49 |
| nsaje | ildikov: need to run now for 20mins, I'll fix anything else then | 16:50 |
| ildikov | nsaje: thanks much, it has to be fine now :) | 16:51 |
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| mnaser | question regarding docs -- http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/ceilometer-install-nova.html | 19:43 |
| mnaser | notification_driver = nova.openstack.common.notifier.rpc_notifier | 19:43 |
| mnaser | is having the rpc notifier necessary? i dont see the point of it if the ceilometer notifier is there.. | 19:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pradeep Kilambi proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Support for metering FWaaS https://review.openstack.org/106877 | 21:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Arithmetic transformer spec https://review.openstack.org/105467 | 21:57 |
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