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| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/app-catalog: Allow using glare for v1 API call and add v2 proxy https://review.openstack.org/290932 | 14:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/app-catalog: Implement UI for listing artifact drafts for glare assets https://review.openstack.org/292854 | 14:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/app-catalog: Add UI for adding artifact drafts to glare https://review.openstack.org/293644 | 14:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christopher Aedo proposed openstack/python-appcatalogclient: First Commit https://review.openstack.org/303488 | 15:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-appcatalogclient: First Commit https://review.openstack.org/303488 | 15:16 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: congrats! https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9485 | 15:22 |
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| kfox1111 | YAY! :) | 15:36 |
| kfox1111 | docaedo: should we hold off on the new repo until we have the talk about naming? | 15:37 |
| docaedo | Too late for that (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-appcatalogclient) but I also think project name is a HUGE impact, so if it's warranted, it would mean everything gets renamed anyway | 15:38 |
| docaedo | Honestly I think the name of the project is not the problem | 15:38 |
| docaedo | the problem is that "openstack application" doesn't exist as a thing, and I'm not sure it will ... | 15:39 |
| docaedo | If we get any community consensus on that though, it would lead a name change (like maybe it's not about apps at all any more, and it's app-components or something) | 15:40 |
| kfox1111 | thats part of it. | 15:40 |
| kfox1111 | but we're also confusing people with app when we meen component. | 15:41 |
| kfox1111 | a font is not an app. a murano library is not an app. | 15:41 |
| kfox1111 | but yeah, the lack of a common packaging system is a big issue too. | 15:41 |
| kfox1111 | I was really hoping glance would solve that 6 months ago. | 15:41 |
| kfox1111 | but its going to be at least 2 years out at this point. | 15:42 |
| kfox1111 | due to it being a different service everyone has to adopt. :/ | 15:42 |
| kfox1111 | I think there are two many folks that think openstack isn't an OS. :/ | 15:43 |
| docaedo | yeah that's definitely not something to wait for :) considering how much resistance there was to just adopting glance v2... | 15:43 |
| kfox1111 | They need to be convinced, or some other abstraction layer needs to come about. :/ | 15:43 |
| kfox1111 | I'm guessing long term, that will be something like kubernetes. | 15:43 |
| kfox1111 | By lack of direction from the TC, I think the openstack ship is stearing itself twoards being just a plumbing layer. :/ | 15:44 |
| docaedo | I still just see it as a means of deploying an operating system, and for *some* apps, need something different. For app deployment and management, the approach sandstorm.io is taking is probably the best out there (for small to medium teams that need apps but don't want to hire a sysadmin to manage them) | 15:44 |
| docaedo | Isn't a cloud computing platform a plumbing layer? It's IaaS at the start, and the other stuff are "extras" on top of that | 15:45 |
| docaedo | but that foundation is *still* not as solid as it should be | 15:45 |
| docaedo | so bolting all kinds of stuff on top isn't helping | 15:45 |
| kfox1111 | standstorm is a nice example of a catalog. | 15:46 |
| kfox1111 | it doesn't look to be cloud scaled apps though. | 15:46 |
| docaedo | no, but who is distributing/sharing "cloud scaled apps"? | 15:46 |
| kfox1111 | if it targeted openstack, it could totally do the right thing. but openstack's making that hard. :/ | 15:46 |
| kfox1111 | no one, becuase its too blankity blank hard to share it! :/ | 15:46 |
| kfox1111 | I want to. I really really want to. | 15:46 |
| kfox1111 | but cant. | 15:46 |
| kfox1111 | stuff I produce can't be generic enough to share. openstack clouds are too heterogenious, | 15:47 |
| docaedo | You could if you used cloud foundry probably, or openshift | 15:47 |
| kfox1111 | and templates can't have conditionals. :/ | 15:47 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, but then why openstack? | 15:47 |
| kfox1111 | you don't need openstack for cloud foundry or openshift. | 15:47 |
| docaedo | OpenStack to manage the machines, storage and networking at scale, and allow you to do more than just a single PaaS | 15:48 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, but thats a nich market. | 15:48 |
| docaedo | if you only need to run things that run on openshift or CF, then yeah, openstack is more than you need, but you're small scale then | 15:48 |
| docaedo | vs. openstack can let you run VMs for whatever you want, or put a PaaS on VMs or bare metal, and also use your hardware for containers - everything handled programatically | 15:49 |
| kfox1111 | I expect to see openshift and cf coexist on one kubernetes soon. | 15:49 |
| docaedo | yep - man when docker came out they both rushed as fast as they could to adopt it :) | 15:50 |
| kfox1111 | then sites that really are full in cloud will use kubernetes as a base. what does openstack bring to the table then except less scalable pets? | 15:50 |
| kfox1111 | I think nova will nich itself more into the vmware use case in the future, and really neutron+ironic+magnum may be the main use case for openstack if at all. | 15:51 |
| kfox1111 | I've been using containers for a while now, and have been climbing the stack. | 15:52 |
| kfox1111 | I got a bunch of our compute nodes over to it. then split the mega container into 4, launched with docker-compose. | 15:52 |
| kfox1111 | then started playing with kubelet in single node mode to keep containers alive. | 15:53 |
| kfox1111 | then last week started playing with kubernetes 1.2. I got a full stateful rolling upgrade to work. | 15:53 |
| kfox1111 | something heat has promiced for over 2 years. | 15:53 |
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| kfox1111 | Yesterday I switched out the vm os from sl6 to centos7 without changing the apps at all and it just worked. it was awesome. | 15:54 |
| docaedo | that's pretty nice | 15:54 |
| kfox1111 | once kube 1.3 hits and deployments is considered stable | 15:55 |
| kfox1111 | I'm going to use it to manage the whole compute system. our nodes can take 24 hours to drain, and its been kind of a pain to do upgrades manually. | 15:55 |
| docaedo | I think scale is the biggest factor for openstack - kubernetes is going to eat into even the medium size deployments of openstack to the point where they might find they don't really need openstack at all | 15:55 |
| kfox1111 | with deployments, it will just handle it all by itself by just changing the image tag. | 15:55 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 15:55 |
| kfox1111 | exactly. | 15:56 |
| kfox1111 | its hard to deploy, and its going to be more for pets if its not careful, so a lot of people will just start skipping it. | 15:56 |
| kfox1111 | the only reason they wouldn't, is if it got easier to deploy, and there was a wealth of apps easily available. :) | 15:56 |
| docaedo | so huge deployments (telcos like att and verizon) and places like walmart or comcast, makes sense because they need to service all different kinds of workloads | 15:56 |
| kfox1111 | which doesn't seem to be a goal of the TC. | 15:56 |
| docaedo | same goes for public clouds | 15:56 |
| kfox1111 | true. | 15:57 |
| docaedo | I agree, I honestly think Kolla is going to win that game | 15:57 |
| kfox1111 | me too. | 15:57 |
| kfox1111 | though I think they need to focus on kubernetes too. | 15:57 |
| kfox1111 | mesos, not so much. | 15:57 |
| kfox1111 | your just using something as complicated as openstack to then deploy openstack. | 15:57 |
| kfox1111 | as an OP, I don't want to have to learn two things as heavy as openstack. | 15:58 |
| docaedo | agreed 100% | 15:58 |
| kfox1111 | tripleo has the right aproach there. | 15:58 |
| docaedo | almost everytime I hear someone say lets use mesos it sounds like a terrible idea :) | 15:58 |
| kfox1111 | use ironic and magnum to deploy kubernetes, and then use kolla on it to deploy an overcloud. | 15:59 |
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| docaedo | dang I gotta step away for a bit but enjoying this conversation! | 15:59 |
| kfox1111 | they are talking seriously down that path right now. going to try and help it along during the summit. | 15:59 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. its a good one. :) | 15:59 |
| kfox1111 | talk to you later. :) | 15:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/app-catalog: Allow using glare for v1 API call and add v2 proxy https://review.openstack.org/290932 | 16:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/app-catalog: Implement UI for listing artifact drafts for glare assets https://review.openstack.org/292854 | 16:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/app-catalog: Add UI for adding artifact drafts to glare https://review.openstack.org/293644 | 16:10 |
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| kfox1111 | getting the webiste/app to let me add things to my summit sched is way harder this time around. :/ | 20:01 |
| kfox1111 | there we go... | 20:04 |
| kfox1111 | part due to the split brained ness of having two accounts due to licensing issues. :/ | 20:04 |
| kfox1111 | I think the everbright account got tied to my pnnl email since it was a corperate buy. so I have to schedual with that account. :/ | 20:05 |
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