Tuesday, 2019-05-28

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openstackgerritChandan Kumar (raukadah) proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tempest master: Update openstack.org -> opendev.org  https://review.opendev.org/65494206:43
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_jannoI'd like to split network_hosts into agents and servers. how can I achieve this?06:51
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/openstack-ansible master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.opendev.org/66155107:17
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openstackgerritJonathan Rosser proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_neutron master: Remove name2int  https://review.opendev.org/65676107:37
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openstackgerritJonathan Rosser proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-repo_server master: Allow remote detection of repo sync status  https://review.opendev.org/66078809:11
CeeMacmorning09:17
_jannoIn other words: How can I run the neutron_server_containers on other hosts than the network_hosts?09:18
CeeMac_janno, somone was asking about this in the channel a short while ago. I'll see if I can find the answer09:20
_jannoCeeMac: Thank you, I'll have a look, too.09:21
CeeMaci remember you needed to create a new skeleton09:21
jrosseryes this was asked within the last week i think and cloudnull posted a snippet that would do it09:22
_jannook, that's what I am already trying.09:22
_jannobut so far I've failed09:22
jrosser_janno: here you go http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ansible/%23openstack-ansible.2019-05-21.log.html#t2019-05-21T21:10:2709:24
CeeMacjrosser: is there a search facility on the eavsdrop?09:25
jrossernot that i know of - i brute forced that :/09:26
_jannojrosser: thanks a lot09:26
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CeeMacgood work09:26
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_jannoI am wondering if and then why it is unusual to run neutron agent and server on different hosts.09:28
CeeMac_janno: I was actually wondering this myself earlier today09:30
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CeeMaci guess it all comes down to the individual environment09:34
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CeeMacwas pondering whether moving the neutron-server container to the control nodes would be more efficient, or running neutron-server as metal on the network nodes.  Or just leave it, presumably theres a good reason why it is that way :)09:35
jrosseri don't really expect there is a good reason that the neutron server 'sticks' to the network nodes09:39
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jrosseri suspect the most consistent pattern would be for those containers to stay on the infra nodes when network nodes are separated out09:40
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jrosserCeeMac: are you considering moving the neutron servers back to your infra nodes?09:45
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CeeMacjrosser: I was pondering it yeah.10:14
CeeMacjrosser: probably the controllers with the other api containers10:15
CeeMacjust trying to work out how much effort that would be and if its worth it10:16
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jrosserCeeMac: the effort is probably relatively small if the paste from last week is good10:30
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CeeMacjrosser: yeah, just need to clean the inventory and redeploy the containers on top of that i guess10:40
jrosseryes i think that should do it10:40
CeeMaci guess most of the work is done by the agents, so the additional overhead on the controllers shouldn't be much10:41
jrosserright, and it might be a good thing to remove the servers from any potential load/self inflicted DOS on the network nodes10:41
CeeMacyeah, good point10:41
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CeeMacwould probably be good for people who want to run collapsed compute/network agent nodes as well10:42
CeeMacwhich I might need to do in one of the other DCs10:42
CeeMacrunning a bit tight for time. lost most of yesterday troubleshooting one of the nodes not coming back online after a reboot10:43
CeeMacturns out that usb-storage is disabled by the security-hardening playbook.10:44
CeeMacoddly enough, embedded SD modules require that to load, and if your /boot partition goes missing the server doesn't like it10:44
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CeeMacthat was fun to troubleshoot10:44
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_jannowell, another related question: So far we had the network stuff running on the control nodes. Now I would like to move it to dedicated network nodes. I've added the neutron_server.yml from above. What do I have to remove from the inventory now? What's about the running neutron processes on the control nodes?10:48
CeeMac_janno, you want to move just the agents off the control nodes?10:53
_jannoCeeMac: yes, right10:54
CeeMac_janno: from that skel, I think you'd need to specify your network node IPs under the 'network_containers' host group, and the control nodes under the 'network_hosts' host group in your openstack_user_config.yml10:57
openstackgerritJonathan Rosser proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tempest master: Default network segmentation ID correctly  https://review.opendev.org/65987710:59
openstackgerritJonathan Rosser proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tempest master: [redhat] Update variables to be version agnostic  https://review.opendev.org/65826211:02
openstackgerritJonathan Rosser proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tempest master: Add support for aarch64 images  https://review.opendev.org/62003211:02
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_jannoCeeMac: okay, but I am wondering if osa takes care of the processes which are currently running on the control nodes11:19
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CeeMacah11:25
CeeMac_janno: right, yeah, good point11:26
CeeMachow does one remove the metal config.  for containers you can destroy containers11:26
CeeMacnot sure if that covers metal agents11:28
CeeMaclet me poke about a bit11:28
jrosseryou can probably migrate the routers to the new nodes, and disable the service11:29
CeeMacjrosser: I guess you'd need to manually uninstall the agents from the controllers?11:30
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openstackgerritJonathan Rosser proposed openstack/openstack-ansible master: Update to ceph-ansible 4.0.0  https://review.opendev.org/65650311:56
kplanthas anyone thought of a clever way to not waste a floating IP on each compute node when using DVR?11:59
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CeeMackplant: not entirely sure thats a thing12:02
CeeMacits listed as one of the 'cons' of using DVR i believe12:02
kplantyeah it is, it's just so wasteful that i'm trying to spend cycles on out-smarting or out-dumbing it12:04
kplantif i have 1k compute nodes, i don't think burning 1k public IPs is okay12:04
CeeMachaha, sound fun!  Let me know if you come up with anything12:04
CeeMacouch12:04
CeeMacyeah, thats going to cost some12:04
CeeMacyou could look at ovn as a alternative maybe? I think it handles the distributed routing differently12:05
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CeeMacyou couldn't even get around it using NAT as its the FIP namespace running on the computer nodes so it'd need 1-1 mapping anyhow12:06
kplanti think static nats could work, but it would be a nightmare to manage12:07
kplantreal external ip <-> floating ip <-> private vxlan ip12:08
CeeMacyou'd still need 1 per compute node though?12:08
CeeMacfor the router instance12:08
kplantone fip yes, but if you make those rfc1918 or squat then who cares? :D12:08
CeeMachmm, then you need to manage routing and nat in front, more hastle :)12:09
kplantexactly12:09
CeeMacyou could not DVR? lol12:09
kplantyep :|12:09
nowsterIPv6 ? ;-)12:09
CeeMacpfft, noone uses that :p12:10
kplanti work for an isp so... we use ipv6 the least out of everybody12:10
kplantmakes sense!12:10
CeeMacor you'd need a 4-6 tunnel in front for non ipv6 endpoints to connect in to VMs12:10
CeeMacyeah, IPv6 onthe edge can't be a thing until the telcos start rolling out IPv6 in homes/businesses12:11
kplanti think all of our resi supports ipv6, with dhcpv6 (why!?!?!) and our fia has been silently including /48s for a while12:11
kplantbut we don't use it internally (at all)12:12
CeeMacah, you must be outside uk then?12:12
kplantyeah, us12:12
CeeMacfigures12:12
nowsterIn the UK, all the large ISPs support v6 with the exception of the cable ISP (Virgin).12:12
CeeMacnowster, support or use?12:12
nowstersupport12:13
CeeMacthats the catch12:13
nowsterRumour has it that Virgin Media will provide native IPv6 with CGNAT for IPv4. The gamers aren't pleased.12:13
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CeeMacnothing pleases gamers :D12:14
nowsterIndeed. They want latencies less than what the speed of light allows.12:15
kplantthen you get the ones who are "smart" and calculate the disatnce from them to the server and divide it by c12:15
CeeMacbut why can't you make it faster than light? etc12:15
kplantindex of refraction is not a thing, round trip time is not a thing12:15
CeeMacscience has no place in logic dag namit!12:16
CeeMaci'm closer so it should be faster. make it so!12:16
kplantwhy are there hops on the traceroute!? i should have a direct connection12:17
kplantyour network sucks12:17
jrosserkplant: i think you can put an rfc1918 address on the computes12:17
jrosserand have that as a hop between your computes and the next router with a real IP12:17
kplantoooooooooo12:18
kplantand route through12:18
kplantthat's an interesting idea12:18
jrosserso as an example, at home on my DSL my next hop is a 172.29.blah even though i have a real IP on my router12:18
kplantat that point it's not pat/nat, it's just routing12:18
jrosserexactly12:19
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CeeMacoh, they do that for MPLS and IPVPN as well for the internal hops between routers12:19
jrosseri was asking the neutron folks about exactly this at the summit and it was their answer12:19
kplanti'm hesitant to call that a great idea because it's so simple12:20
kplantand i'm afraid to get excited12:20
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kplanthow do you handle ingress?12:21
kplantsounds like you'd need a routing protocol12:21
CeeMacwould you need to pair this with the BGPaaS plugin?12:22
kplanti'm thinking the real router and virtual routers need to exchange routes somehow12:22
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kplantthe virtual routers can all statically sent to the real gateway12:23
kplantbut the real router is going to have to know which virtual gateway to route through dynamically12:23
kplantor am i overcomplicating this12:24
CeeMaci think you're probably right12:24
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CeeMacits probably worth reviewing the bgpaas docs to see if it meets the remit12:25
jrossersounds right12:26
CeeMacas its ingress, there would need to be a way for the edge router to know which VR IP to send the packet to for the particular FIP in question12:27
CeeMacand i don't think proxy arp would be an option so it would need to be a routing protocol12:27
CeeMacnot sure how DVR sits with the various *aaS plugins though.12:28
kplantyeah i believe the neutron-bgp service does self service network routing?12:28
CeeMaci believe that is its principal focus, not sure if it can be adapted to provider routing though12:29
jrosserthere is some stuff here anout BGP and DVR https://docs.openstack.org/neutron/rocky/admin/config-bgp-dynamic-routing.html12:30
jrosser*about12:30
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible stable/stein: Use stable ARA setup interface for defining the callback location  https://review.opendev.org/66131312:30
CeeMachmm, it does seem focused on self-service networks12:31
kplanti'm reading the dvr section of that12:31
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jrosser"For floating IP addresses, the BGP speaker advertises the floating IP agent gateway on the corresponding compute node as the next-hop IP address" <- sounds like what you need12:31
CeeMaci just got that far too12:32
CeeMaclooks interesting actually12:33
CeeMacI'm going to bookmark this for later thought12:33
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jrosserkplant: i hope that gives you some ideas - i'm not sure there is much alternative if you want to do DVR and conserve address space with a large number of computes12:35
kplantyeah for sure and ebgp is about as simple as it gets12:35
kplantthank you12:35
CeeMaclooks like you've got some fun ahead kplant :)12:37
jrosserit has the nice side effect that your compute nodes and intermediate routers aren't actually routable from outside your AS12:38
kplantyeah i can't wait to run into timing issues because palo alto _sucks_ at bgp12:38
CeeMacjrosser: i like that side effect12:38
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mgariepycan i have one last push on this one please: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659277/12:43
kplantmight be able to use the entire cidr for fip too, doesn't sound like you need to burn a gw ip12:44
CeeMacI'd be interested to hear how you get on kplant12:47
kplanti have quite the dilemma, i have to also think about making this supportable for the rest of my team12:48
kplantabsolutely none of them have a network engineering background12:48
kplantthis might be a 'cool poc' in the lab that gets pushed back forever12:48
jrosserit's difficult isnt it, becasue a lot of the coolest networking stuffs for datacenter seems to be in some way involving L3 and BGP12:53
kplantright??12:54
_jannosure https://imgflip.com/i/32279u12:56
CeeMac_janno lol12:57
kplanteverything should be a /32 or /12812:57
kplantroutes for all12:57
CeeMacjrosser: the modern utopian dream for the DC seems to be pure L3 and dispatch with L212:58
CeeMacsolves so many issues, but introduces other challenges12:58
jrosserkplant: also look at this where the p2p are made with ipv6 for a v4 network https://docs.cumulusnetworks.com/display/ROH/Routing+on+the+Host12:58
CeeMachmm, could you do the edge/fip routing with calico?12:59
CeeMacor can that not run side by side12:59
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kplantsdn and policy based routing can probably solve it13:00
CeeMacyeah, thats why i mentioned ovn as a possible option. that brings its own complexities though13:00
CeeMacunless you have an sdn fabric already?13:01
kplantnothing fancy, just ovs13:01
kplantnot using it for anything other than vxlan13:01
CeeMacthats what I'm in the process of putting in13:02
kplanti could make the juniper overlords happy and try tungsten13:02
_jannowhat's the advantage of ovs over linux-bridge in case of vxlan?13:02
CeeMacactually, it isnt. I'm using it for provider networks13:02
kplant_janno: i don't think there is one, anymore13:02
CeeMacjuniper guys at the summit were excited about tungsten13:03
_jannogreat, I'd like to stick with linux-bridge :)13:03
CeeMacI'm tempted, but seems like a lot of effort13:03
CeeMac_janno: unless you want DVR or other advances features, no need to leave lxb13:04
kplantlinux bridges probably perform better, less overhead13:06
kplantand it's right in the kernel13:06
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nowsterLXB is for when you can assign a block of VLANs yourself; VxLAN is for when you can't.13:12
kplantlxb can do vxlan as well13:13
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed x/monitorstack master: Fix docs building  https://review.opendev.org/66163313:22
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openstackgerritkourosh vivan proposed openstack/openstack-ansible master: rgw keystone setup fix python interpreter  https://review.opendev.org/66100614:19
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible stable/stein: Correct os-cinder-install task serialisation  https://review.opendev.org/66164914:53
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible stable/rocky: Correct os-cinder-install task serialisation  https://review.opendev.org/66165014:53
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible stable/queens: Correct os-cinder-install task serialisation  https://review.opendev.org/66165114:53
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed x/monitorstack master: Update zuul jobs  https://review.opendev.org/66161415:38
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gshippeyAnyone free to review a oneliner patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/660779/ ?15:53
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evrardjpgshippey: aren't those in a venv instead ?15:56
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gshippey@evrardjp the variable we are adding to gets used to install the pip packages to the venv, see https://opendev.org/openstack/openstack-ansible/src/branch/master/playbooks/utility-install.yml#L12415:58
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gshippeyMaybe i need to be clearer in the commit message15:58
jrosserlogan-: should this be conditional on the unbound group being length>0 ? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/playbooks/setup-infrastructure.yml#L1616:01
jrosserwith the group empty it currently targets no hosts for the server, but still everything except 'unbound' for the clients16:01
evrardjpgshippey: I would remove this var from group vars I think.16:01
logan-hmm jrosser.. https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/c012df25aba9c50f03f81285063e1a78e8d6d8f6/playbooks/unbound-install.yml#L42-L43 should prevent that16:01
logan-well, the playbook would still scope the clients, except they should all skip16:02
jrosserlogan-: ahha i see    --list-hosts isnt smart enough to understand that16:03
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logan-oh gotcha16:03
jrosserwas just double checking "what to run for adding a compute node"16:03
evrardjpjrosser: don't we have up to date docs for that ? ;)16:04
jrosserevrardjp: well this https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/admin/scale-environment.html#add-a-compute-host16:05
jrosserbut there seem to be residual parts of setup-infrastructure which touch compute nodes16:05
evrardjpwhich ones? Just curious there.16:06
jrosseror perhaps that should be "as reported by openstack-ansible setup-infrastructure.yml --list-hosts"16:06
evrardjpaaaaah ;)16:07
evrardjpstatic analysis of ansible runs is something that severely lacks16:07
jrosserso this16:08
evrardjpI think Adam wrote something for this16:08
jrosserplay #8 (hosts:all_containers): Configure all nodes to use the repo container for python/apt packagesTAGS: [repo-config,always]16:08
jrosser    pattern: [u'hosts:all_containers']16:08
jrosserthat appears to be part of setup-infrastructure that targets *16:08
evrardjpwe can probably make that smarter then16:09
* jrosser raised an eyebrow at that16:09
jrosseryeah, it doesnt feel right16:09
evrardjpI am on my phone. If you have a link to the playbook it would make me earn precious minutes16:09
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jrosserevrardjp: this is repo-use, on rocky16:22
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jrosserhttps://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/stable/rocky/playbooks/repo-use.yml#L1716:22
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evrardjpI see where this comes from16:22
evrardjpI doubt RAX still cares.16:23
evrardjpin other words, it's probably possible to refactor16:23
evrardjpoh I remember now16:24
evrardjpchicken and egg thing :)16:24
evrardjpyou needed the repo build to finish to then point to it.16:25
mnaserYes. You can't repo use first or else the world will break16:25
evrardjprepo build is now away, we can move that in a different role16:25
mnaserIt's no longer a thing with venv build16:26
evrardjpyup16:26
noonedeadpunkwow, isn't it meeting time?16:26
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evrardjpit is16:29
evrardjpfor still 30 minutes16:29
evrardjp:)16:29
noonedeadpunkok, I see:)16:30
evrardjpI don't have much to report on suse support nor releases16:31
noonedeadpunkI probably have nothing to share, just realized what time is now16:31
evrardjphaha16:31
noonedeadpunkdo we have some agenda (read eatherpad) of things that should be done before release?16:32
jrosserif its meeting time i would ask for a bit of help with reviews16:32
evrardjpnoonedeadpunk: there is docs that I need to update, per branch. Want to help?16:33
evrardjpit's now super easy16:33
noonedeadpunkevrardjp: If there's smth I can help with:)16:34
evrardjpthere sure is :)16:34
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guilhermesphum there are two things actually I'd like to discuss16:37
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guilhermespwe kinda of have already a refactor pattern https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:osa/db-refactor . We just had a discussion here on sunday about run_once in keystone16:38
guilhermespI changed it to use conditionals, but maybe there is something else to do to make the functional jobs to work https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657036/16:38
openstackgerritGeorgina Shippey proposed openstack/openstack-ansible stable/rocky: Utility container is missing the shade library  https://review.opendev.org/66181216:40
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logan-these are looking good guilhermesp. any idea why those 2 jobs are failing on keystone? seems like its failing to db sync?16:41
logan-i'm not seeing any logging from keystone-manage in the gate logs so it is hard to tell what's going on :/16:42
nowsterjrosser: thanks for rebasing it again.16:44
jrosserno worries - it passed i think?16:44
nowsteryep!16:44
jrosser\o/16:45
guilhermesplogan-: I think I have local env that I was testing thing out16:45
guilhermesplet me see16:45
jrossernowster: is there anything else outstanding for aarch64?16:46
jrosserwell, apart from there still being no practical way to run a CI job.....16:47
nowsterjrosser: and wheels?16:49
jrosseryes indeed - thats the major hurdle now i think16:49
nowsterjrosser: sorry about the lack of servers... the rug was pulled out from under us on that16:49
evrardjpis there a problem for wheel build ?16:50
jrosseryes i gathered as much from the summit16:50
jrosserevrardjp: there are none for aarch6416:50
guilhermesplogan-: yum seems that services is getting 503. I will dig into it eventually16:50
evrardjpmaybe experience can be shared with loci there16:50
evrardjpthere are some afaik16:50
jrosserevrardjp: if you know where that would be very useful16:51
evrardjplet's sync tomorrow. hrw in loci channel builds the requirements image for loci , IIRC the IRC nick16:53
evrardjpfor arm16:53
evrardjpwhich means if it's published you can get that as a tar which contains the wheels.16:53
evrardjpall of those are the ones in u-c, but might differ from our requirements sha16:54
evrardjpjust giving opportunities here16:55
evrardjp:)16:55
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openstackgerritJonathan Rosser proposed openstack/openstack-ansible stable/rocky: Utility container venv is missing python libs for openstack ansible modules  https://review.opendev.org/66181217:05
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spatelcloudnull: hey!!17:53
spatelhow you doing ?17:54
spateli came to find james d. but look like he is not online..17:54
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openstackgerritGuilherme  Steinmuller Pimentel proposed openstack/openstack-ansible-os_glance master: db_setup: refactor database setup to a common file  https://review.opendev.org/65702918:30
BjoernTWatch-out for https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1830780 , Stein broke neutron multiple external networks18:34
openstackLaunchpad bug 1830780 in openstack-ansible "Multiple external network support is broken in stein" [Undecided,New]18:34
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tstrulHi all, I just finished upgrading my environment to queens after we were using ocata for a long time (ocata --> pike --> queens). after upgrading I can see heartbeat miss in rabbitmq logs in addition to messages similar to: "Timed out waiting for a reply to message ID" on some services. I have seen this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1800957 and I understand problem is amqp<2.4.1 on all services. I am19:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1800957 in oslo.messaging (Ubuntu) "Upgrading to pike version causes rabbit timeouts with ssl" [Undecided,New]19:19
tstrulcurrently on 17.1.9 but I didnt see a fix on any version. how can i resolve this issue? is there an update on this issue or should i just disable TLS for now?19:19
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jrosserwell how should we deal with that bug ^ - how are we supposed to discover / handle this https://review.opendev.org/#/c/63846119:59
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova master: db_setup: refactor database setup to a common file  https://review.opendev.org/65703820:00
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_jannoIs anyone already running osa with kernel 5.0?20:31
_jannomodprobe: FATAL: Module nf_conntrack_ipv6 not found20:32
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-ansible-os_tempest master: [redhat] Update variables to be version agnostic  https://review.opendev.org/65826220:49
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