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| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: ping -- so to circle back on the OVN convo , what do we need to do to make it go? | 01:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: i dont know yet... trying to mentally convert the devstack stuff to o-a | 01:08 |
| cloudnull | ok | 01:08 |
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| cloudnull | now that i've had time to sleep and i feel less trolly i figured it was a good time to ask again =) | 01:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | what is sleep? | 01:10 |
| cloudnull | idk i passed the hell out earier today :p | 01:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | haha | 01:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-ovn/testing.html | 01:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the most magical part is ovs and whatever kernel bits it might need | 01:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | plus just getting ovs to work | 01:13 |
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| mhayden | prometheanfire: let me know if that looks right | 01:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | mhayden: stop working | 01:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | you're becoming one of us | 01:46 |
| mhayden | hah | 01:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | its not good for your health | 01:46 |
| prometheanfire | mhayden: lgtm | 01:48 |
| mhayden | coo | 01:49 |
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| cloudnull | git-harry, logan2, ^ thats the key to making it possible for you to override items within repo-packages without having to edit the files. | 05:46 |
| cloudnull | if you get a chance to review the patchset it would be greatly appreciated. | 05:47 |
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| mattt | odyssey4me: ping | 14:22 |
| odyssey4me | o/ mattt | 14:22 |
| mattt | so i missed a bunch of these role separation discussions | 14:23 |
| mattt | how 'expensive' is it to spin up openstack repos etc. for tiny little things like openstack-ansible-apt_package_pinning? | 14:23 |
| mattt | i just question if these unrelated roles need to live in the openstack namespace | 14:23 |
| odyssey4me | we have no restrictions | 14:23 |
| odyssey4me | and, at least for now, we're looking for like to like movement - no changes in functionality | 14:24 |
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| odyssey4me | so whether something belongs in openstack-ansible or not is not really a question for now - all our current roles move as-is | 14:25 |
| mattt | just wondering if there would be any benefit to move stuff like that out of openstack | 14:25 |
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| mattt | since it's got absolutely nothign to do w/ openstack | 14:26 |
| odyssey4me | well, we can't really afford a complete re-architecture right now :/ | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | why not? those are FUN | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | plus upgrades are awesome | 14:26 |
| * Sam-I-Am slithers away | 14:26 | |
| mattt | odyssey4me: it's not a rearchitecture ... you could stick it into github.com/rcbops or where-ever would be best suited | 14:26 |
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| mattt | odyssey4me: i'm for making a standalone role, just thinking out loud if openstack namespace is best for those general roles | 14:27 |
| odyssey4me | fair point | 14:27 |
| mattt | but if openstack-infra don't mind the extra work in creating repos and whatever else is involved w/ that hten i guess it makes no difference? | 14:28 |
| odyssey4me | it is a tool in the toolbox, but you're right - it seems a bit arbitrary to include that, but not include others like an ntp role | 14:28 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, there's no extra work - it's literally a review process | 14:28 |
| odyssey4me | I submit the patch, it gets approved | 14:28 |
| odyssey4me | jenkins does the heavy lifting :) | 14:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius proposed openstack/openstack-ansible: Only deploy .my.cnf file on galera/utility containers https://review.openstack.org/241382 | 14:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-specs: IRR - APT package Pinning https://review.openstack.org/240965 | 14:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-specs: IRR - OpenStack Hosts https://review.openstack.org/241102 | 14:51 |
| prometheanfire | cloudnull: you were saying that dependant patches don't show up in the new gerrit interface? | 14:51 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: you may know too | 14:52 |
| odyssey4me | prometheanfire they do - top right | 14:52 |
| odyssey4me | under 'related patches' | 14:52 |
| prometheanfire | changes? | 14:53 |
| odyssey4me | related changes, yes | 14:53 |
| prometheanfire | doesn't show dependencies explicitly, but close :D | 14:53 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, it's not as explicit | 14:54 |
| odyssey4me | but you get used to it - it shows the patches in reverse dependency order | 14:54 |
| odyssey4me | ie the base patch is at the bottom | 14:54 |
| mattt | i think that's why i ended up switching back :-/ | 14:56 |
| prometheanfire | ah, ok | 14:56 |
| prometheanfire | new one doesn't know what whitespace is either | 14:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-specs: IRR - pip install https://review.openstack.org/241125 | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-specs: IRR - LXC Host https://review.openstack.org/241159 | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-specs: IRR - LXC Container Create https://review.openstack.org/241209 | 15:18 |
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| alextricity | odyssey4me: pong | 15:21 |
| odyssey4me | alextricity ah, I was pinging you with regards to https://review.openstack.org/241173 but the question has been resolved | 15:23 |
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| alextricity | odyssey4me: Sorry i was late to the party. I still have not gotten around to setting up my ZNC server. I'll just do that now on my public cloud account :P | 15:35 |
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| cloudnull | mattt: ^ updated that spec | 15:36 |
| cloudnull | mattt: odyssey4me: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241163/3 < should I merge that functionality into lxc_hosts ? | 15:36 |
| cloudnull | if yes I'll abandon that spec | 15:36 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull it does seem a waste of a role - if it makes plausible sense to merge into another role prior to the split, then sure - go for it | 15:38 |
| cloudnull | done | 15:39 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull did you see mattt's comment in https://review.openstack.org/240965 ? | 15:39 |
| cloudnull | i did not see that . | 15:39 |
| cloudnull | however that makes sense . | 15:40 |
| cloudnull | I could leave it in os-cloud and publish it to galaxy | 15:40 |
| odyssey4me | it does, somewhat | 15:40 |
| cloudnull | or rcbops | 15:40 |
| odyssey4me | well, considering that the role's functionality was requested by RPC then perhaps it makes sense to include in rcbops instead | 15:40 |
| cloudnull | im good with that | 15:40 |
| prometheanfire | ya, I'd agree with that too | 15:42 |
| cloudnull | would it be possible to get some reviews on the following https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241483 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241293 ? both present usability issues that effect both liberty and kilo | 15:42 |
| prometheanfire | not that I'm rpc ptl d34dh0r53 | 15:42 |
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| cloudnull | so i can make the repo over there. | 15:45 |
| cloudnull | if we say that we're kikcking it out and into rcbops then ill go do that | 15:45 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull question posed in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241483/ | 15:46 |
| odyssey4me | it'd be great if bgmccollum and logan2 could provide feedback regarding whether https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241293 fixes the issue they discovered | 15:46 |
| cloudnull | one thing though, is that the role is a meta dependency on all kinds of things. so we'll need to pull that out | 15:46 |
| cloudnull | so i can make those doc notes more generic | 15:47 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull yep, I would think that many of the meta deps should be converted into playbook executions instead - a lot of the meta deps don't need to actually be meta deps | 15:47 |
| mattt | odyssey4me cloudnull : i think it warrants some wider discussions because what we don't want to do is move to rcbops or os-cloud and then we decide we prefer gerrit workflow :) | 15:48 |
| odyssey4me | it would make their execution more obvious | 15:48 |
| mattt | odyssey4me: cloudnull : but looking at that specific role i did wonder if there was any benefit in keeping that in openstack | 15:48 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me: it would make it more obvious however moving the meta deps to the play would make the execution slower. the meta dep is only executed on a node once even when included in multiple roles while within the play it would execute everytime everwhere . | 15:50 |
| cloudnull | so there's tradeoffs in removing the meta deps. | 15:50 |
| cloudnull | mattt: the benifit i see in keeping the role in openstack is that the role will follow the openstack workflow which i tend to prefer. | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Thompson proposed openstack/openstack-ansible: Symlink ceph libraries out of venv https://review.openstack.org/241577 | 15:51 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull is that once per playbook run, or once ever? | 15:51 |
| mattt | cloudnull: yeah i generally agree ... i guess if infra are happy for arbitrary repos like that then perhaps it's not worth putting in github | 15:55 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: its once per run | 15:56 |
| cloudnull | so running multiple plays via a meta play would be faster | 15:56 |
| cloudnull | moving it to the role would execute everytime regardless. | 15:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-ansible-specs: IRR - rsyslog_client https://review.openstack.org/241138 | 15:57 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull well, for this role in discussion (apt pinning) the role is well within a deployer concern territory - much like setting up ntp and all that | 15:58 |
| odyssey4me | it's certainly not a requirement for an openstack installation | 15:58 |
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| odyssey4me | there is nothing stopping a deployer from using it in their own playbooks, or as meta deps for their own roles | 15:59 |
| cloudnull | mattt: so puppet seems to add the helper roles as needed. | 15:59 |
| cloudnull | https://github.com/openstack?page=2&query=puppet&utf8=%E2%9C%93 | 15:59 |
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| odyssey4me | but at this point it feels to me like we're carrying something for nothing | 15:59 |
| cloudnull | so there is some prior art | 15:59 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me: i tend to agree. its well within deployer land | 16:00 |
| cloudnull | but its functionality we've carried for a long time | 16:00 |
| cloudnull | so Im indifferent to the change. | 16:01 |
| mattt | yeah i'm on the fence also | 16:01 |
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| odyssey4me | well, considering that ditching it as a part of the use-case workflow should require a deprecation cycle, we should continue to carry it | 16:02 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: also for sure about the apt pinning role, however just highlighting that removing the meta deps would have other consequences | 16:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: i was sort of expecting more discussion on the install guide spec | 16:02 |
| odyssey4me | so while I'm in favor of ditching it because I don't think it belongs, that decision should have been made a cycle back | 16:02 |
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| cloudnull | so lets propose it for deprecation this cycle | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | and go from there | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | in that case, do we keep it in the main tree? | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | or do we split it? | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am so I do think that the docs need an overhaul in several ways - some of us discussed that at the summit | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | in the discussion we kinda liked the idea of doing the docs in more of a man page format - ie a single page per service/role | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: i'd say split it. but when we remove functionality / deprecate it from the main stack theres no reason that the role cant continue existing within openstack | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | we just dont have to consume it by default | 16:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: to some extent that makes sense | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | and some sort of overview/quickstart in one page which describes the whole deployment provess | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | *process | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | then adding specific use-case example configurations in appendices or something | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull agreed | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | mattt thoughts? | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: I still think that the install guide is nice | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | but if we could make use of the sphinx man page generation that would be awesome | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | + as the roles split out developing docs per role would just make things that much nicer | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | as long as it doesnt look like a man page | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | yep, I was thinking that this morning | 16:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | man pages are terrible | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | so basically each role should have docs with details of how to configure it in isolation - it should describe its assumptions, requirements, expected results and any mutual exclusions with other roles | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | the install guide should describe the install flow and point the installer to more details in the particular role docs | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | the install guide should be more along the lines of describing a minimum viable installation for the common use-cases | 16:11 |
| mattt | odyssey4me: so essentially you're saying that is that is something that will ultimately need to be handled by rpc-openstack, and can ultimately be removed from openstack-ansible? makes sense to me ... seems a bit wasteful to remove it into a separate repo for a single cycle tho | 16:12 |
| mattt | odyssey4me: but yeah i guess rcp-openstack can continue to use it even if it's still under openstack namespace | 16:12 |
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| odyssey4me | mattt well, it'll be a tool usable by anyone - we can still publish it in galaxy - it just won't be used by the general playbooks in our integrated tests | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | the role's function was only ever meant to be a stop-gap in the case where there is no frozen apt repository | 16:14 |
| mattt | odyssey4me: true | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | in fact, it was never even meant to be included in kilo | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | but it made it through somehow | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | now we live with bad life choices :p | 16:14 |
| mattt | i'm surprised we didn't start by moving out galera/rabbit/memcache | 16:16 |
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| odyssey4me | mattt as I understand it, we're going through the roles as they are used sequentially | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | those roles are all used in 'setup-hosts; | 16:17 |
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| cloudnull | mattt: odyssey4me is correct. i started in on the roles needed in order as they're run from a dep stand point. | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | and I covered only setup-hosts | 16:34 |
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| cloudnull | i figured i'd knock those out first because they're not subject to much change | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | then move on to infra next | 16:35 |
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| mattt | cloudnull: cool :) | 16:42 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me: when might we be able to get the new repos online ? | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | also do you want to seed the new repos with the bits from os-cloud or start from a single new PR ? | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull I will set the seed to come from the github repositories - the seed will take whatever is there, so it doesn't need to be a single commit | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | ok | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | that makes the move easy | 16:50 |
| mattt | cloudnull: stating the obvious but can we be sure we don't miss any changes that go into openstack-ansible in the interim? | 16:50 |
| mattt | i know this happened when we did some refactoring in the past | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | I'll submit the request for the new repositories this evening or in the morning | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | mattt: yes, thats paramoun t | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | another reason that i've not gone into any of the work for rabbit, galera, etc | 16:51 |
| odyssey4me | this week is a perfect time to do this - as there's not much development going on | 16:51 |
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| odyssey4me | we should actually do a code freeze in master for the roles as they're in the process of migrating | 17:03 |
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| mattt | odyssey4me: may not be a bad idea | 17:06 |
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| odyssey4me | mattt yeah, I think we can safely accept direct patches to liberty to keep development moving forward - then any patches can be forward ported to master in the new role repositories once they're created | 17:18 |
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| cloudnull | mattt odyssey4me logan2 worth noting that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241483 will be required for our independent role usage to work for the full OSA stack. reason being is that the roles will be installed into the root path which make it so we need to inspect those roles for packages to build. | 17:28 |
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| david8hu | odyssey4me, https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/playbooks/library/config_template has only documentation and examples. Do you where is the actuall implementation of config_template? | 17:56 |
| cloudnull | david8hu: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/playbooks/plugins/actions/config_template.py | 17:57 |
| cloudnull | its an action plugin implemented through the lib https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/playbooks/library/config_template | 17:57 |
| david8hu | Thanks cloudnull. | 17:57 |
| cloudnull | np | 17:57 |
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| logan2 | cloudnull: i guess the updated py_pkgs is not compatible with the kilo build process using yaprt? http://paste.gentoolinux.info/camepuzamo.vhdl | 19:43 |
| logan2 | trying to test out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241483, i just checked out py_pkgs and added teh additional paths to repo-build.yml | 19:45 |
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| logan2 | well I think the fernet token issue i reported in https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1510244 might have been related to clock skew between the two openstack services nodes :( | 21:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1510244 in openstack-ansible "Issues when using fernet tokens in Keystone" [Undecided,New] | 21:35 |
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| dolphm | logan2: clock skew will certainly cause race conditions in authentication - with or without fernet. however, the window for race conditions is larger than uuid :( it was a big topic of conversation at the summit | 21:38 |
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| logan2 | makes sense. is it outside the scope of O-A to run an ntp role in setup-hosts? | 21:44 |
| logan2 | or maybe at least add a check for clock skew between various hosts during the setup process if it is not going to setup ntp, since the resulting failures from clock skew are somewhat non-obvious | 21:46 |
| dolphm | logan2: i would be in favor of it, as it would minimize the risk of these types of race conditions (and I bet fernet is not the only feature in openstack that is time-sensitive -- whether that time sensitivity is desirable or not) | 21:46 |
| logan2 | well the issue that led to me finding the clock skew was one of the cinder schedulers was perpetually showing as offline in horizon | 21:47 |
| logan2 | and the last updated time was wrong, etc | 21:47 |
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| dolphm | logan2: that's an interesting one -- how bad was the clock skew? was it between horizon and cinder? | 21:48 |
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| logan2 | i don't think i have it logged. fixed it a day or two ago for cinder and the fernet thing just occurred to me while I was trying to reproduce the issue in the bug. it was not years or anything, less than a day but more than an hour iirc. | 21:51 |
| logan2 | there are 2 horizon and 2 cinder containers hosted on 2 nodes behind haproxy | 21:51 |
| logan2 | so hard to say which horizon was talking to which cinder | 21:52 |
| logan2 | if i refreshed it showed all cinder-volmes up, and 1 of the cinder-schedulers up. then refresh again and it would show everything down except for the skewed cinder-scheduler | 21:52 |
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| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: does kilo have pins on glanceclient by any chance? | 22:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | it looks like this kilo repo-container is using python-glanceclient 0.17.2 for a build from 11.2.4 of OSA | 22:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: this deployment is in a state where netaddr is at a version that's incompatible with oslo.utils and oslo.utils is needed by glanceclient but the versions that exist just conflict | 22:28 |
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| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: nevermind may have figured this out | 22:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | sigmavirus24: reclone? | 22:32 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Sam-I-Am: no this is a weird version requirements conflict between juno & kilo | 22:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | and openstack requirements being really really bizarre | 22:34 |
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| Bjoern_ | Hey Folks, do you get this error with an kilo AIO build too ? | 23:00 |
| Bjoern_ | fatal: [aio1_ceilometer_api_container-540c8711] => error while evaluating conditional: inventory_hostname in groups['ceilometer_alarm_notifier'] | 23:00 |
| Bjoern_ | fatal: [aio1_ceilometer_collector_container-4ef3e3f3] => error while evaluating conditional: inventory_hostname in groups['ceilometer_alarm_notifier'] | 23:00 |
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| BjoernT | never mind | 23:01 |
| BjoernT | saw my env.d was outdated | 23:01 |
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