| fungi | i should be around for the start of the meeting, but since i'm travelling i'm not 100% sure, i might be a few minutes late (hopefully not) | 13:30 |
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| spotz[m] | Do you want to cancel? Only thing I had was to discuss South Korea | 13:38 |
| fungi | nah, i'm here | 14:00 |
| ildikov | o/ | 14:02 |
| spotz[m] | #startmeeting diversity-eG | 14:02 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 14:02:48 2024 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
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| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_eg' | 14:02 |
| spotz[m] | #topic roll call | 14:03 |
| fungi | ahoy | 14:03 |
| ildikov | Morning | 14:04 |
| spotz[m] | Welcome! | 14:04 |
| spotz[m] | Not much on the agenda, upcoming summit and maybe the survey? | 14:06 |
| fungi | sounds good | 14:07 |
| spotz[m] | #topic Upcoming Summit | 14:07 |
| fungi | full disclosure: i won't make it to the summit, though i'm planning to be at oid-na (i have a couple of talks proposed already) | 14:08 |
| spotz[m] | So I know we relayed to the organizers a few things which will hopefully be implemeted. Pronoun stickers and gender neutral are 2 that come to mind. | 14:09 |
| spotz[m] | * gender neutral bathrooms are 2 | 14:09 |
| spotz[m] | Is there anything else we should keep in mind to implement before hand or to keep an eye out for on site? | 14:11 |
| ildikov | I’ll be at the event. And those two things sound good to me. | 14:12 |
| fungi | yeah, might be good to check in with helena and see if she wants to re-confirm any of that with the organizers | 14:13 |
| ildikov | +1 | 14:15 |
| spotz[m] | I can hit her up later and we're sitting next to each other on the way over | 14:16 |
| spotz[m] | I know we gave Allison a longer list, but those were the 2 major. I'll also check to see if the organizers have an on site CoC committee or if the foundation's normal one will be used | 14:17 |
| ildikov | That’s a good one to double check, since we have two foundations involved | 14:20 |
| spotz[m] | Anything else to discuss on this topic? | 14:20 |
| fungi | i didn't have anything | 14:20 |
| ildikov | Me either | 14:22 |
| spotz[m] | I always assumed we were using ours but even so they may not have thought about the need for committee | 14:22 |
| spotz[m] | Ours being the CoC itself | 14:22 |
| spotz[m] | #topic Survey | 14:23 |
| spotz[m] | First let me say thank you for sending emails to your prospective communities | 14:23 |
| ildikov | Sure thing! | 14:23 |
| ildikov | Did you see an uptake afterwards? | 14:24 |
| spotz[m] | We are sitting at a total of 5 responses, we maybe got 1 more? | 14:24 |
| spotz[m] | One form Labs which is no more, 1 Kata and 3 OpenStack | 14:25 |
| ildikov | That’s still not a lot | 14:25 |
| fungi | yeah, TheJulia brought up that we need to adjust it to drop the oilabs references | 14:25 |
| ildikov | I was thinking about sending another round of emails towards the end of September | 14:25 |
| fungi | not sure if we have started putting together a list of revisions for the next iteration of the survey, but i guess that would go on the to do list for it | 14:26 |
| spotz[m] | Ok we can reach out to Allison as she controls the form, that said it was the first response if they're in order of submittal so it might have been a thing at that time still | 14:26 |
| spotz[m] | Besides updating the form and doing occassional reminders, any other thoughts on how to get more responses? | 14:28 |
| fungi | there was talk about including reminders about it in post-attendee summit communications | 14:30 |
| fungi | maybe we could incorporate something similar into oid communications too | 14:30 |
| TheJulia | Would make sense, but also skew the data points to attendees. | 14:31 |
| spotz[m] | That's the assumption attendees would fill it out which was not the result of the launch in Vnacouver:( | 14:31 |
| TheJulia | are we just burning with survey burnout? | 14:32 |
| fungi | i'm not sure we have the luxury of worrying about bias in responses since we have so few responses already that there's no hope of drawing statistical conclusions anyway | 14:32 |
| spotz[m] | We personally haven't done them often, every few years we review and update. We've always had a poor response, even the first year which was our best wasn't the greatest | 14:33 |
| spotz[m] | I would think the User Survey which is every year and constant would have much more burnout then this one | 14:33 |
| fungi | i wonder if we could leverage user surveys to drive responses to additional surveys like the diversity and inclusion one | 14:34 |
| spotz[m] | Potentially different targets as Users might neven engage with the community(which is a shame) but worth a shot | 14:36 |
| spotz[m] | We also just extended the CFP for NA, I hadn't planned on submitting to focus more on the organizing but I could put in a Forum/BoF | 14:36 |
| fungi | there are some contributor-oriented questions in the user survey, but users are also part of our community (just as conference attendees are) | 14:37 |
| fungi | the diversity and inclusion survey isn't exclusively for the project contributor part of our communities anyway | 14:37 |
| spotz[m] | neven = never even:) | 14:37 |
| fungi | you've invented a new word, i like it | 14:39 |
| spotz[m] | Well I edited something earlier and then wondered what the log would do with a matrix edit | 14:40 |
| fungi | matrix edits don't propagate through the irc bridge | 14:41 |
| ildikov | I think we will need to keep re-enforcing that users and conference attendees are part of our community, ecosystem might be a better word to use in my experience | 14:41 |
| spotz[m] | Oh they definitely part of the community but not sure how they will answer the how often do you interact with the community if they don't 'think' they are | 14:42 |
| fungi | i agree the word "community" may not resonate, but i like that it recognizes them as and encourages them to be more involved with other aspects of the community. "ecosystem" doesn't really | 14:42 |
| spotz[m] | Is that something we should update while we're asking for the other change? | 14:43 |
| spotz[m] | As fungi mentioned we don't have enough current data that that change would make a big difference | 14:43 |
| fungi | maybe "how can we keep terms like 'community' from making people feel excluded?" is something we might want to dig into in the future | 14:44 |
| spotz[m] | I'm good with that | 14:44 |
| fungi | finding ways to get people who don't think of themselves part of the community to feel more included | 14:45 |
| ildikov | yeah, I would not make rush decisions | 14:45 |
| spotz[m] | One thing this group does is never rush:) | 14:47 |
| ildikov | haha, I'm good with that :) | 14:47 |
| fungi | if we had more volunteers/involvement we might be able to move things along a little faster, but so far no | 14:48 |
| spotz[m] | The move to IRC and the changing nature of the ecosystem(see used the new term) really affected the membership and activity level of WoO and the rename to improve that didn't help much | 14:50 |
| fungi | it seemed like involvement in woo was declining even before those changes | 14:50 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah | 14:51 |
| fungi | so it's not clear that any of the changes made it worse, but clearly they didn't turn it around | 14:51 |
| spotz[m] | True | 14:51 |
| spotz[m] | Ok we're sitting at 9 minutes left just for a time check. We can keep going with this or does anyone want to bring up something else? | 14:52 |
| fungi | i didn't have anything else | 14:52 |
| fungi | (also have a conference call starting at the top of the hour, so will be more distracted at that point) | 14:53 |
| spotz[m] | If no objections lets end a little early then | 14:53 |
| ildikov | I don’t have anything constructive either | 14:53 |
| spotz[m] | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 14:54:10 2024 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_eg/2024/diversity_eg.2024-08-13-14.02.html | 14:54 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_eg/2024/diversity_eg.2024-08-13-14.02.txt | 14:54 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_eg/2024/diversity_eg.2024-08-13-14.02.log.html | 14:54 |
| spotz[m] | Enjoy your 6 minutes:) | 14:54 |
| fungi | thanks! | 14:54 |
| ildikov | Thanks! :) I like having a break between meetings. | 14:55 |
| ildikov | Have a good day y’all! | 14:55 |
| fungi | you too! | 14:57 |
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