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openstackgerritLin Yang proposed openstack/murano: Remove unnecessary pass-statement  https://review.openstack.org/20098404:12
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openstackgerritNikolay Starodubtsev proposed openstack/murano: Switch to oslo_log  https://review.openstack.org/19597506:49
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Nikolay_Stmorning all07:09
Nikolay_StI have a news about this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199559/07:10
Nikolay_Stas soon as crossproject spec for py3 migration was merged and most of the old projects (nova, cinder, etc.) is going to py307:11
Nikolay_Stwe can abandon this patch and follow the others in the migration process07:11
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_ws: ^^07:12
Nikolay_Stso, I hope that after that they would return import order check back to upstream as far as one of the reasons was different libs in py2/py307:17
Nikolay_Stif not we should do it by ourselves as far as we have some amount of freshly baked OpenStack contributors07:17
Nikolay_Stand I think Sahara guys will support this initiative07:18
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openstackgerritMarc Koderer proposed openstack/murano: Enable devstack external interface  https://review.openstack.org/19407707:57
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xiangxinyong1hello all08:04
xiangxinyong1Where can we find more information about Murano template?08:04
slagunxiangxinyong1, hello08:06
xiangxinyong1hello slagun08:07
slagunxiangxinyong1, can you be more specific? There is no such thing as Murano template08:07
xiangxinyong1slagun, Murano can use heat template, so i think murano template08:09
xiangxinyong1so i think murano template can be used?08:09
xiangxinyong1slagun, can you introduce it, thanks08:12
Nikolay_Stslagun: katyafervent can you please take a look at message I wrote earlier today?) your feedback are appreciated08:12
katyaferventhi xiangxinyong1 !08:13
katyaferventtake a look a link I attached at the launchpad question08:13
katyaferventhttp://murano.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html#developing-applications08:13
slagunxiangxinyong1, we he have 2 package types: HOT package with Heat template inside and MuranoPL package with MuranoPL classes. Later are very different from what can be called "template". It is YAML-encoded classes in MuranoPL programming language. You can find all the docs here: https://murano.readthedocs.org/en/stable-kilo/08:14
xiangxinyong1<katyafervent>: i see it.thanks.08:15
katyaferventslagun, latest is better then stable-kilo :)08:16
slagunkatyafervent, I typed "Murano docs" in google and the first link was to murano.readthedocs.org which redirected me to /stable-kilo. I just copy-pasted my URL. Don't know why it wasn't latest08:18
katyaferventthe default is stable-kilo, right08:19
mgershenThis is a link to latest: https://murano.readthedocs.org/en/latest/08:20
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xiangxinyong1I try again. The default web site address is stable-kilo08:21
slagunNikolay_St, lets do what others are doing08:22
katyaferventok, Nikolay_St we can wait until upstream will merge this checks back08:23
xiangxinyong1Thank all of your appreciated feedback08:23
slagunxiangxinyong1, stable-kilo is the latest anyway08:23
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xiangxinyong1slagun:ok08:24
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Nikolay_Stslagun: should we taking some preparations for migrations08:25
Nikolay_Stslagun: should we taking some preparations for migrations to py3?08:26
Nikolay_Stkatyafervent: ^^08:26
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katyaferventI don't know, should we do it right now or not08:27
katyaferventslagun, please, review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140775/08:27
katyaferventand others :)08:27
slagunааааааааааааа08:29
slagunыщккн08:29
slagunsorry08:29
slagunI forgot that we need also to migrate dashboard to yaql108:29
kzaitsev_mbI almost heard that "oops"08:30
slagunwindering how to do this simultaneously with the rest of murano08:30
slagunwondering*08:30
slagunThe commit in main repo will break dashboard and vice versa08:31
kzaitsev_mbslagun: seems like the only real way to do this is to make job non-voting08:31
slagunand probably murano-client to08:31
kzaitsev_mbluckily it's rather simple for our CI08:32
slagunif you turn off CI then you will not know that Murano actually works after migration08:34
kzaitsev_mbslagun: not turn off, but turn non-voting. we'll see errors08:36
kzaitsev_mbslagun: our CI actually has a limited support for Depends-On08:37
kzaitsev_mbso we can probably make a commit to murano, than to murano-client and murano-dashboard, that Depend-On 1st commit, the tests should pass on all but 1st commit. We'll merge commit 2 and 3 and after that tests should pass on commit 108:38
slagunok, lets see then. To do the migration we need to release new version of yaql1, python-muranoclient, murano and murano-dashboard. And also Mistral :)08:39
kzaitsev_mbNot a day without a broken CI!08:39
kzaitsev_mb=)))08:39
kzaitsev_mboh wait08:42
kzaitsev_mbmy idea would not work08:42
kzaitsev_mbgerrit would not merge commits, that depend on unmerged commits =(08:42
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slagunAnd I'm still not finished migrating murano :( This is a biggest refactoring of dsl package we ever had. Maybe not so much in terms of LOC but in terms of code architecture and how everything works08:43
slagunThe real deal is that python-muranoclient uses yaql and it used for tests. If we release client first then CI will break. But until then tests for migrated code may fail08:45
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mgershenWill removing all tests before starting the change help? They can be added again later, and it can be decided that no other code will be pushed during the transition. Worst case all can be reverted.08:52
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asalkeldslagun: isn't the yaql versioned?08:54
asalkeldseems like a scary upgrade08:54
slagunasalkeld, the problem is that we are migrating to yaql 1.0 from yaql 0.2 and those are not compatible with each other08:55
asalkeldit would be better to be backwards compatible :-O08:56
slagunasalkeld, they have compatible syntax but very different hosting interface for applications08:56
slagunasalkeld, it was rewritten from scratch08:56
asalkeldok, i dont' know enough to really comment, but i hope it doesn't effect user's applications08:58
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openstackgerritNikolay Starodubtsev proposed openstack/murano: Switch to oslo_log  https://review.openstack.org/19597510:07
openstackgerritNikolay Starodubtsev proposed openstack/murano-specs: Add spec cloud-foundry-service-broker-api  https://review.openstack.org/19225010:10
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kzaitsev_wsmgershen: slagun actually a good idea — to skipIf yaql.__version__ >= 1.0.0 or smth10:18
slagunkzaitsev_ws, yaql1 is not compatible in terms of Python imports. It has different modules etc. This typically leads to a test runner failing at startup on yaql 0.2 code testing with yaql 110:22
kzaitsev_mbdang =)10:23
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katyaferventkzaitsev_ws, slagun please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140775/10:43
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slagunkatyafervent, I left several comments there10:49
katyaferventthanks!10:49
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openstackgerritKirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Add eslint javascript checker  https://review.openstack.org/20078010:58
openstackgerritTimur Nurlygayanov proposed openstack/murano: Added script for unit tests coverage job  https://review.openstack.org/20043310:58
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mgershenkzaitsev_ws/slagun: Is the issue of upgrading to yaql 0.2 will be discussed in tomorrow's meeting?11:58
mgershenkzaitsev_ws / slagun : Is the issue of upgrading to yaql 0.2 will be discussed in tomorrow's meeting?11:58
slagunmgershen, we can discuss it. Or just wait for all those commits to be made (and probably fail on CI) and then think together how to merge them11:59
kzaitsev_mbmgershen: I think we should. at least we can outline and/or choose a plan for transition11:59
kzaitsev_mbI'll update Agenda today accordingly12:00
openstackgerritMaria Zlatkova proposed openstack/murano: [Murano Docs] Add Searching for an app HowTo  https://review.openstack.org/20014712:09
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano: Remove unnecessary pass-statement  https://review.openstack.org/20098412:21
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openstackgerritNikolay Starodubtsev proposed openstack/murano: CF implementation initial commit  https://review.openstack.org/19682012:36
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openstackgerritNikolay Starodubtsev proposed openstack/murano: CF implementation initial commit  https://review.openstack.org/19682012:40
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-muranoclient: Add passenv parameter for tox G.variables passthrough  https://review.openstack.org/20048813:11
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openstackgerritAlex Khivin proposed openstack/murano-specs: Logging API for MuranoPL  https://review.openstack.org/19926013:21
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openstackgerritAlex Khivin proposed openstack/murano-specs: Logging API for MuranoPL  https://review.openstack.org/19926013:38
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openstackgerritAlex Khivin proposed openstack/murano-specs: Logging API for MuranoPL  https://review.openstack.org/19926014:04
openstackgerritEkaterina Chernova proposed openstack/murano: Fix error message in case category name is too long  https://review.openstack.org/20114314:11
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openstackgerritEkaterina Chernova proposed openstack/python-muranoclient: Add docstring to service-shoe command  https://review.openstack.org/20114614:22
openstackgerritEkaterina Chernova proposed openstack/python-muranoclient: Add docstring to service-show command  https://review.openstack.org/20114614:24
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kzaitsev_mbFolks, I've updated Agenda for tomorrows meeting, feel free to add items you'd like to discuss. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Next_meetings14:31
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: I'd like to remind you about your idea about cient versioning14:32
openstackgerritEkaterina Chernova proposed openstack/python-muranoclient: Rename all visible occurrences of 'services' name  https://review.openstack.org/20115414:37
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Do you want me to create etherpad now and drop link to irc?14:38
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: well, if you want to discuss it tomorrow — it would be great to add smth beforehand (like later today, not necessarily now)14:40
kzaitsev_mbalso it would be great if you would add it as an Agenda item with a link to etherpad or doc =)14:40
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freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: I'll do it =)14:42
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kzaitsev_mbbtw. I've started archiving MuranoAgenda, so that our meetings would be a little bit more coherent =)14:45
kzaitsev_mbhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda/Archive14:45
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kzaitsev_mbfolks, around 3 weeks ago we agreed on using trusts by default14:54
kzaitsev_mbcan we pls merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194615/ then? =)14:54
slagunkzaitsev_mb, are we sure they do work?14:54
kzaitsev_mbslagun: we agreed, that we enable them by default and start testing and finding bugs if any, as far as I remember14:55
slagunapproved14:55
kzaitsev_mbyay! =)14:56
kzaitsev_mbslagun: sergmelikyan: also, since spec, I'm working on (CLI) depends in several ways on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/automatic-oject-model-generation could you please at least approve it for liberty?15:00
kzaitsev_mbalso I've stumbeled upon this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/switch-to-angular15:00
kzaitsev_mbAre we really going to do it during liberty cycle?15:01
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: done15:01
slagunis it okay to approve BP without spec?15:01
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kzaitsev_mbslagun: sure. a BP does not necessarily require a spec, by a spec always requires a BP15:02
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kzaitsev_mbNova guys have  https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#When_do_I_need_a_blueprint_vs_a_spec.3F which implies that they allow BPs without a spec.15:04
kzaitsev_mbwhich sounds fine to me. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/better-package-dependency-ui doesn't need a spec IMO, but a BP helps us track progress.15:07
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: So, what about re-targeting angular to `future`? There is almost no possible way we're going to make it for liberty, IMO15:08
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: it's only direction approved, not implementation15:10
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: that makes no sense15:24
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: ?15:25
kzaitsev_mbI mean, why do we have `future` then.15:25
sergmelikyanWhat exactly?15:25
kzaitsev_mb`approved for future` feels like some direction we need to follow, `approved for liberty` feels like `we want this in liberty`15:26
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: there two model how you can track bps, everything is approved for feature, and implemented there, once implementation is finished you move bp to current milestone15:26
openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano: Enable trusts by default  https://review.openstack.org/19461515:27
sergmelikyanor you target everything to current milestone and move out to the next everything which is not done15:27
kzaitsev_mbwe can add an m milestone, can't we?15:27
kzaitsev_mboh wait.15:27
kzaitsev_mbso you say we're using both models?15:27
sergmelikyanwe consider future milestone as u-version15:27
openstackgerritEkaterina Chernova proposed openstack/murano-apps: Add Active Directory app  https://review.openstack.org/18757615:28
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: this is some tribal knowledge =)15:28
sergmelikyanNope, we just use future for assigning really "not right now" things15:28
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: feel free to document that :)15:28
kzaitsev_mbangular is exactly that kind of thing15:28
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: how can I document something only you know? =)15:28
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: because you also now know :)15:29
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kzaitsev_mband that is an awesome, adult way to and a conversation!15:29
kzaitsev_mbI'm not complaining here, but still15:29
kzaitsev_mbduh... I still think, that there is no rush with angular, and we should do it during M cycle, cause django would be supported for forseeable future. And with current model there is no way to list all BPs, that we as a community want to see implemented in liberty.15:34
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katyaferventall, I've updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187576/15:48
katyaferventlet's merge it15:48
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kzaitsev_mbseems like slagun is ok with this change =)15:51
kzaitsev_mbso let's merge it, yep.15:51
openstackgerritMaria Zlatkova proposed openstack/murano: [Murano Docs] Add managing packages HowTo  https://review.openstack.org/19709615:51
katyaferventslagun, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198684/ pleeeese :)15:52
openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano-specs: Add spec cloud-foundry-service-broker-api  https://review.openstack.org/19225015:52
openstackgerritAlexander Tivelkov proposed openstack/murano-apps: Sync ApacheHttpServer app with apps.openstack.org  https://review.openstack.org/20123415:53
ativelkovgit stash pop15:54
ativelkovoops, wrong tab :))15:54
kzaitsev_mbfolks, take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201233/ it's a commit to infra, that should add periodic stable jobs to murano repository. They report broken gates to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-stable-maint/2015-July/date.html and a bunch of projects has them already.15:55
kzaitsev_mbPls take a look and chip in to +1s ;)15:55
kzaitsev_mbI'm not that good with infra yet, so I would ask freerunner, aderyugin, dteselkin, IgorYozhikov to look at them. I might have messed things up =)15:56
kzaitsev_mbok seems like I haven't and it's that easy, cool =)15:58
openstackgerritOlga Gusarenko proposed openstack/murano: [Murano docs] Quickstart partial  https://review.openstack.org/20123716:03
openstackgerritOlga Gusarenko proposed openstack/murano: [Murano docs] Quickstart partial  https://review.openstack.org/20123716:05
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano: [Murano Docs] Add Searching for an app HowTo  https://review.openstack.org/20014716:19
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freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Wow. I wanted to do it by myself, but you was the first one ;)16:44
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: I'm talking about periodic-jobs =)16:45
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: do you know by chance why it's not supported in clients?16:45
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: I mean periodic jobs are only present in openstack/nova, but not in python-novaclient for example16:51
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: So, if I correct understand, the clients not needed in periodic-jobs, because clients have fixed version for stable branches.16:51
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freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: But I don't know exactly about. =(16:51
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: this doesn't prevent stable client branches from failing because of unpinned requirements, I guess.16:52
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kzaitsev_mbwell16:52
kzaitsev_mbanyway this situation would be better than having no stable branch checking16:52
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: I mean the openstack/nova, for example, have cap for python-novaclient16:52
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freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Sure.16:57
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano-apps: Add Active Directory app  https://review.openstack.org/18757618:33
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano-dashboard: Add last deployment log tab  https://review.openstack.org/19868419:03
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-muranoclient: Add docstring to service-show command  https://review.openstack.org/20114619:07
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openstackgerritAlexander Tivelkov proposed openstack/murano: Use Custom networks as primary if no others exist  https://review.openstack.org/20130419:32
ativelkovfolks, please take a look at  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201304/1 - it is required to properly assign fips in custom networks19:33
kzaitsev_mbI woneder if even neet openstackgerrit bot =)19:34
kzaitsev_mbs/neet/need/19:35
kzaitsev_mbalthough it does sometime tell usefull stuff about maitanance and outages..19:37
ativelkovkzaitsev_mb: I rarely duplicate its messages: only if the patch is a blocker for something else19:38
kzaitsev_mbativelkov: looks good, slagun what do you think, should we backport it to kilo? I think we should19:46
ativelkovkzaitsev_mb: to be honest, this bug currently does not affect anything which exists in L or existed in K19:47
ativelkovas there is no "legal" way (from UI's point of view) to pass custom networks19:47
ativelkovhowever it is really needed for "custom network selector" feature which will pass such networks19:48
kzaitsev_mboh, I see19:48
kzaitsev_mbwell, than let's leave it as is19:48
slagunkzaitsev_mb, we can backported but there is no real need for that19:48
ativelkovso, there is no sense in backporting this to K unless we want to backport custom net selectors. And we usually don't backport features19:48
slaguns/backported/packport it/19:49
openstackgerritAlexander Tivelkov proposed openstack/murano-dashboard: Initial implementation of Custom Network Selector (WiP)  https://review.openstack.org/20131019:49
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ativelkovok, this is a WiP. Will file a BP/spec tomorrow19:50
openstackgerritMerged openstack/murano: Organize imports in correct order  https://review.openstack.org/19955819:58
kzaitsev_mbdamn =( my commit to infra is wrong. Job periodic-murano-python27-kilo not defined =/ And I really hoped someone would know how to do it properly and correct me =/20:06
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openstackgerritKirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/murano-specs: Deallocate stack resources after app deletion from deployed environment  https://review.openstack.org/20094420:44
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openstackgerritSergey Vilgelm proposed openstack/murano: Switch to oslo.service  https://review.openstack.org/19546121:14
openstackgerritSergey Vilgelm proposed openstack/murano: Declare the CONF variable  https://review.openstack.org/19564321:16
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openstackgerritKirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/murano-specs: Configure environments from CLI  https://review.openstack.org/19570822:32
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