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| Nucklez | Good morning | 15:34 |
| Nucklez | Do you guys know if one could run Murano with qpid instead of rabbitmq? | 15:35 |
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| sjmc7 | Nucklez - communication between the API and engine uses oslo.messaging which can use qpid | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | currently the agent software i think has to use rabbitmq | 15:38 |
| Nucklez | That is what I was afraid of. | 15:39 |
| Nucklez | I'm a Windows sysadmin, but dabbling with OpenStack and SaltStack, trying to get into Murano | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | Ah, ok. Some of the Mirantis guys here have much more experience with Windows than i do | 15:40 |
| Nucklez | My OpenStack dev environment is built with qpid, I may have to learn how to convert it to rabbitmq | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | sergmelikyan - who's best for these kinds of questions? | 15:41 |
| Nucklez | well, my OpenStack is built on CentOS, and Murano is currently on an Ubuntu box | 15:41 |
| Nucklez | I'm just developing Windows guests for our organization, but I decided to build and learn OpenStack so I could best understand what is going on and what I can leverage | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | very brave of you :) gokrokve may also be able to help point you in the right direction | 15:43 |
| Nucklez | Thanks! It is quite a journey so far. | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | rabbitmq is very easy to run, at least for development | 15:45 |
| Nucklez | I was using rabbit on one of my builds, but being a Windows sysadmin by nature, I end up destroying Unix boxes like mad. | 15:47 |
| Nucklez | I think I'm getting the hang of these now, and I've been able to fix my mistakes instead of having to format every time I destroy something | 15:47 |
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| gokrokve | Nucklez: Hi. Currently windows agent uses rabbitMQ. Here is a link to repository: https://github.com/stackforge/murano-agent/tree/master/windows-agent/WindowsAgent | 15:48 |
| Nucklez | Oh wow, I haven't been able to use Murano enough to even see an agent, this is great info, thanks. | 15:50 |
| Nucklez | I'll work on converting my qpid to rabbitmq, I'm assuming I need to convert everything in OpenStack to rabbit. Nova, Glance, etc.. | 15:51 |
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| sjmc7_ | Nucklez - if you're just testing on a single node, devstack is a great way to stand up Openstack without spending hours configuring things yourself | 15:52 |
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| Nucklez | I tried devstack at first, but it assumed I knew a lot more than I did, so I was really bad at it. | 15:53 |
| sjmc7_ | alternatively, you can also leave your existing installation but just use rabbitmq for the agents once you get to that stage | 15:53 |
| gokrokve | Usually MuranoAgent is preinstalled to the image, so you can't see it during the installation. Here is a link with the detailed guide how to prepare a windows image for murano: http://murano-docs.github.io/latest/getting-started/content/ch03s03.html | 15:53 |
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| Nucklez | sjmc7 - that is what I was thinking, install rabbitmq then convert each agent to it from qpid | 15:54 |
| gokrokve | Nucklez: Here is alink to setup scripts which will help to install Murano with the devstack. https://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/murano-api/tree/contrib/devstack | 15:54 |
| gokrokve | Nucklez: Please read Readme file in this folder. It has installation details information. | 15:55 |
| Nucklez | thanks gokrokve, you guys are awesome! | 15:55 |
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| gokrokve | Nucklez: you are welcome. Feel free to ask any questions here. We will be glad to help you. | 15:56 |
| gokrokve | Nucklez: Windows agent is .NET native application. If you are familiar with .NET you can add QPID support. | 15:57 |
| Nucklez | oh | 15:57 |
| gokrokve | Nucklez: QPID classes for .NET are here: http://qpid.apache.org/releases/qpid-0.26/messaging-api/dotnet/examples/index.html | 15:57 |
| Nucklez | and the windows agent appears to be C# | 15:58 |
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| sergmelikyan | Nucklez, yes, it is written on C#. I am not sure that adding QPID support to WIndows Agent will be enough | 16:12 |
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| sergmelikyan | We use kombu on server side, and am not sure how kombu supports qpid. | 16:13 |
| sjmc7_ | poorly | 16:13 |
| Nucklez | So, I should stick with converting my OpenStack services to rabbitmq | 16:13 |
| sergmelikyan | We also plan to drop Windows Agent written on C# in favor for our Python implementation that should be able to run on all OS, including WIndows | 16:14 |
| Nucklez | I'm not sure I'm ready to take on the Windows agent to qpid conversion, I don't understand the backend well enough at the moment | 16:14 |
| sjmc7_ | Nucklez - i suggest you leave everything as-is, but set up rabbitmq for the murano engine<->agent communication | 16:14 |
| sjmc7_ | we may be able to to add options to the agent down the road | 16:14 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7_, +100500 | 16:14 |
| sergmelikyan | Most effective way - leave as is, and install separate RabbitMQ for agent<>engine communication | 16:15 |
| Nucklez | sjmc7 - Oh, I see. Just murano and the windows agents to use rabbit | 16:15 |
| sjmc7_ | yep | 16:16 |
| Nucklez | Yea, that sounds a LOT better. Thanks! | 16:17 |
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| sjmc7 | ativelkov - if i get a few hours this afternoon, do you want me to implement https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/id-fqn-equivalence ? | 16:23 |
| ativelkov | sjmc7: that would be great! | 16:24 |
| ativelkov | This will simplify CLI a lot | 16:24 |
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| sjmc7 | agreed. i'll hopefully get some time later today | 16:28 |
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| sjmc7 | ativelkov, something i meant to ask before. i wonder if requiring distinct FQNs will be a problem, especially in large deployments | 16:51 |
| sjmc7 | if two tenants want to install the same package, for instance | 16:51 |
| ativelkov | Good catch. | 16:53 |
| sjmc7 | not just for this change, but in general | 16:53 |
| ativelkov | Hm | 16:53 |
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| ativelkov | We definetly should not allow to have two packages with the same FQN available | 16:54 |
| ativelkov | But if they belong to different tenants and do not overlap, then this is probably ok | 16:54 |
| sjmc7 | the way glance handles it i think is to allow a name if it's unambiguous | 16:55 |
| sjmc7 | it's more complicated here though because names are used within packages | 16:55 |
| ativelkov | Afaik glance even allow two images with the same name to co-exist | 16:55 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, it does | 16:55 |
| sjmc7 | but it won't let you refer to them by name in that case | 16:55 |
| ativelkov | But we should not | 16:55 |
| sjmc7 | we can't use the same logic, because FQNs are embedded in packages | 16:55 |
| ativelkov | Yes, and there are package FQNs and class FQNs | 16:56 |
| sjmc7 | another situation might be where there's a public image with the same FQN | 16:56 |
| ativelkov | Right | 16:56 |
| sjmc7 | we could define rules like local packages have precedence | 16:57 |
| ativelkov | We can handle it be specifing some name resolution logic | 16:57 |
| ativelkov | right | 16:57 |
| sjmc7 | there is some risk that you get weird behavior though - the same package could behave differently for two different tenants | 16:58 |
| sjmc7 | maybe that's ok | 16:58 |
| sjmc7 | but in any case i think FQN cannot be unique globally; a combination of tenant + FQN [+ version] | 16:58 |
| ativelkov | The worst will start when we add version | 16:58 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 16:58 |
| sjmc7 | i think in that case, the name resolution has to come first | 16:59 |
| sjmc7 | if there's a public v2, and you only have v1 locally | 16:59 |
| ativelkov | So, let's say, the precedence can be like this: | 16:59 |
| ativelkov | 1) Local Tenant's packages | 16:59 |
| ativelkov | 2) Packages shared with the tenant | 16:59 |
| ativelkov | 3) Public Packages | 17:00 |
| ativelkov | 4) External packages (when we have peering) | 17:00 |
| sjmc7 | :) even more fun! | 17:00 |
| sjmc7 | i think versioning then has to be within one of those choices | 17:00 |
| sjmc7 | otherwise things get really confusing | 17:00 |
| ativelkov | Version is different | 17:00 |
| sjmc7 | so if the package exists in the local tenant, only consider those versions in the local tenant | 17:01 |
| ativelkov | no, this is too strong limitation | 17:01 |
| ativelkov | Say, I have a "stable" version of a package in public access and I am working on a newer version in my current tenant | 17:01 |
| sjmc7 | hmm.. yes | 17:01 |
| sjmc7 | ok, so maybe it can work that way | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | So I will need to be able to reference both | 17:02 |
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| sjmc7 | but not the other way | 17:02 |
| sjmc7 | i.e. if the public version incremements, continue to try to use the local one | 17:02 |
| sjmc7 | this will need to be very well documented | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | We can extend the class function of the contract | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | Contract: $.class(ns:ClassName, 1.2.3) | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | Or even $.class(ns:ClassName, $>=1.1, $<3.0.0) | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | to specify the range | 17:05 |
| sjmc7 | yeah.. but we do need to consider the scoping | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | per package? | 17:05 |
| sjmc7 | i'll think about it more | 17:05 |
| sjmc7 | i don't like the idea of changing version numbers affecting where packages come from | 17:06 |
| sjmc7 | it'll become very confusing | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | The idea is that most of the objects are created as a user input | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | So, the user may have a control over which version of the object to instantiate | 17:07 |
| sjmc7 | yeah - but the user isn't necessarily going to know or care when they go to deploy | 17:08 |
| sjmc7 | is there already a versioning blueprint? | 17:08 |
| sjmc7 | i'll maybe add some comments and we can discuss it with others | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | Nope, we've dropped it from 0.5 as we didn't have time | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | So we definetely need some | 17:09 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i'll put one in for name resolution | 17:09 |
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| sjmc7 | ativelkov - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/define-name-resolution-rules | 18:44 |
| ativelkov | sjmc7: great, thank you | 18:46 |
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