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| katyafervent | Hi everyone! Please follow this link to fix pushing commits to gerrit https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GerritUpgrade#DNS_Spoofing_Warning | 07:10 |
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| btully | test | 16:57 |
| sergmelikyan | passed :) | 16:57 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 16:57 |
| btully | hehe sorry. i thought my IRC client was broken. very quiet in here :) | 16:58 |
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| sjmc7 | sergmelikyan - we just started looking at the new package format & dsl and will likely start to have questions very soon. who's best for those questions? | 16:58 |
| sjmc7 | we can maybe feed back into the documentation | 16:58 |
| sergmelikyan | btully, very busy days - counting hours before release and minutes before code-freeze :) | 16:59 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, I would be very glad to answer :) | 17:00 |
| btully | understood, sergmelikyan! Besides, I like quiet ;( | 17:00 |
| btully | oops ;) | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, stan_lagun, katyafervent has also good experience | 17:00 |
| sjmc7 | ok sergmelikyan. expect some after the release is out of the way :) | 17:00 |
| sjmc7 | ok, good to know. we'll maybe work with katya on the documentation - it's something our management are interested in | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, be aware about May holidays in Russia: 1-4, 9-11 May | 17:12 |
| sjmc7 | lucky you! ok, thanks for the warning | 17:12 |
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| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, not sure that this is a luck. To close to the summit :) May be some of them will be spent with preparations :) | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, I will also be at summit :) So I am preparing some demos and this may take some of this holidays :) | 17:24 |
| sjmc7 | ah, less lucky :) we'll have to meet up during the summit | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, definitely :) | 17:25 |
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| sjmc7 | sergmelikyan - who on your team would we talk to about UI ideas? can maybe file blueprints with screen mockups and then discuss if necessary | 17:49 |
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| igormarnat | sjmc7: filing blueprints is always a good idea, in general gokrokve, tsufiev and kate are UI folks | 17:50 |
| sjmc7 | ok. we don't want to step on anyone's toes | 17:51 |
| ativelkov | Folks, I am still waiting for reviews on these two: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bug/1314193,n,z | 17:51 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, I think there is no special guy in core that handles UI decisions, write them up, e-mail to mailing list/create bp/ or show in any other form :) | 17:51 |
| sjmc7 | k | 17:51 |
| sergmelikyan | Live discussion in IRC is also way to go :) | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | Once I had seen photos of whiteboard with wireframes attached to wiki page as mockups :) | 17:53 |
| sergmelikyan | Really fast to do, and do the job | 17:53 |
| sjmc7 | yep, there are some good ui prototyping tools around | 17:54 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, we used WireframeSketcher but really there is too much, look a like, good tools :) Anything that will help to understand ideas is a way to go | 17:57 |
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| ativelkov | Folks, I see there was a question on FloatingIP at the meeting | 18:06 |
| ativelkov | > <sjmc7> yay! does the floating IP get reported back anywhere? | 18:06 |
| sjmc7 | yes - katyafervent answered me | 18:07 |
| ativelkov | The answer "It should appears at app detail page" is now currently correct ) | 18:07 |
| sjmc7 | yes, i saw serg had requested you put that in earlier. excellent, thanks | 18:07 |
| sjmc7 | with the network changes, will all environments now create their own subnets? | 18:07 |
| ativelkov | For now - yes | 18:07 |
| ativelkov | However, the floating IP is persisted in the instance object | 18:08 |
| sjmc7 | ok, and there's a future item to allow an environment to add to an existing one? | 18:08 |
| ativelkov | Yes | 18:08 |
| sjmc7 | as in the nova instance? | 18:08 |
| ativelkov | There will be a number of options | 18:08 |
| ativelkov | 1) EnvironmentIsolatedNetwork (the current one): each env. has its own net and a subnet, all connected to a single router (per-tenant) | 18:09 |
| ativelkov | This is what we had in 0.4.x and what I have got merged today | 18:09 |
| ativelkov | 2) SharedNetwork: a single network (either one per tenant or one shared globally for all tenants), to which all the instances of all apps in all envs join | 18:10 |
| ativelkov | We also call this "flat" | 18:10 |
| sjmc7 | can you have a network shared across tenants? | 18:11 |
| ativelkov | Sure | 18:11 |
| ativelkov | 3) Custom networks: a user may specify either new networks to create (with entering its subnet cidr, picking a router etc) or existing network to join. | 18:12 |
| sjmc7 | ok, excellent | 18:12 |
| ativelkov | These options may be selected per-instance | 18:12 |
| ativelkov | What is more important, they may be combined | 18:13 |
| ativelkov | I.e. a single instance may join multiple networks: the isolated net of its environment, the global shared network of the tenant and even the special network created by the application which runs on this instance | 18:13 |
| ativelkov | Currently we do not have UI-tools to configure the custom networks | 18:14 |
| sjmc7 | that will be an interesting UI challenge :) | 18:15 |
| ativelkov | It is not very hard, actually | 18:15 |
| ativelkov | The problem is that the current format of application packages supports only UI definitions for applications, while the network is not an application, it is just a class in MuranoPL | 18:15 |
| ativelkov | So there is no way to define UI to construct that particular object | 18:16 |
| ativelkov | We can add such UI definitions for particular class, and this will allow us to have a button called "custom network" on the Instance Configuration page of "Add component" wizard | 18:17 |
| sjmc7 | it would be similar to the instance configuration i guess? | 18:17 |
| ativelkov | Pressing this button will open a new dialog (similar to what we have now when we press "add database" for Tomcat application, and a Postgre configuration wizard appears) | 18:18 |
| sjmc7 | got it | 18:18 |
| ativelkov | And this dialog will ask for network properties, such as network name, cidr, external router etc | 18:18 |
| sjmc7 | on a unrelated subject - the Heat templates are still in the old CFN format for the moment, rather than hot? | 18:19 |
| ativelkov | In the classes that we have now - yes, in CFN | 18:19 |
| ativelkov | However nothing stops us from using HOT syntax | 18:19 |
| sjmc7 | no. less confusing not to mix and match | 18:19 |
| ativelkov | Yes, the mixing itself is a problem | 18:20 |
| sjmc7 | not a big deal, i just noticed it earlier | 18:20 |
| sjmc7 | we xcan maybe convert all the applications at once and move to HOT | 18:20 |
| ativelkov | Sure, this is quite easy | 18:21 |
| ativelkov | But first we need to solve a concurrency issues with template generation somehow | 18:21 |
| sjmc7 | that sounds worrying :) | 18:21 |
| ativelkov | Well, currently there is a chance of submitting inconsistent heat template | 18:22 |
| ativelkov | The deployment of multiple applications in a single environment is done in parallel | 18:22 |
| ativelkov | But stack is shared between them | 18:23 |
| ativelkov | The apps call stack.update() when they think that THEIR part of the template is ready in the stack | 18:23 |
| ativelkov | But this cause's the whole stack to be updated | 18:23 |
| ativelkov | If some other app concurrently generates its own template and is not done yet, the template may be inconsitent | 18:24 |
| sjmc7 | ahhh | 18:24 |
| sjmc7 | i see | 18:24 |
| ativelkov | This is a known issue | 18:24 |
| ativelkov | slagun was working on that. There couple of idea how this may be solved | 18:24 |
| ativelkov | There are* couple of ideas** | 18:25 |
| ativelkov | Another issues with heat is that different applications theoretically may attempt to create heat resources having the same name | 18:25 |
| ativelkov | Which will cause unwanted sideeffects of template merging instead of having two different resources | 18:26 |
| ativelkov | AFAIK, slagun wanted to solve this with nested stacks | 18:26 |
| ativelkov | So, Heat interaction still has to be improved in many areas :) | 18:28 |
| ativelkov | OK folks, I'll try to have some sleep. See you tomorrow | 18:31 |
| sjmc7 | g'night | 18:31 |
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