Thursday, 2014-09-25

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openstackgerritCharles Wang proposed a change to stackforge/magnetodb: Closes-Bug: #1373627  https://review.openstack.org/12392703:54
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed a change to stackforge/magnetodb: Stop using intersphinx  https://review.openstack.org/12396208:00
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isviridovHello everybody12:29
isviridov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MagnetoDB/WeeklyMeetingAgenda today meeting agenda12:29
isviridovFeel free to add items12:29
isviridovPlease pay attention that we have meeting here, but not in #openstack-meeting12:30
isviridovachudnovets, ikhudoshyn ominakov aostapenko achuprin the meeting time12:59
aostapenkoHello, everybody12:59
isviridovLet us start13:00
ominakovHello, guys13:00
isviridov#startmeeting magnetodb13:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 25 13:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is isviridov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'magnetodb'13:00
isviridovo/13:00
isviridovAnybody here?13:00
ajayaao/13:01
ajayaaHi isviridov.13:01
isviridovHello ajayaa13:01
aostapenkoHi, guys13:01
ikhudoshyno/13:01
isviridov#link from last meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/magnetodb/2014/magnetodb.2014-09-18-13.01.html13:02
isviridovToday agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MagnetoDB/WeeklyMeetingAgenda#Sep25.2C_2014.2C_13:00_UTC13:02
isviridov#topic Go through action items13:02
isviridovikhudoshyn write spec13:02
ikhudoshyndone13:03
isviridovI've seen that it exists :)13:03
ikhudoshynjust a sec, i'll find the link13:03
ikhudoshynhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MagnetoDB/specs/async-schema-operations13:03
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ajayaaPlease link it to the blueprint.13:04
* isviridov going through spec quickly13:04
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ikhudoshynajayaa, it is already linked13:04
isviridovikhudoshyn, looks serios13:05
isviridovI like it. Any questions?13:05
ikhudoshyndid my best13:05
isviridovOk, looking forward for your patch13:06
isviridovAnother AI is:13:06
ikhudoshynit's green in gerrit13:06
ajayaaLooks nice. I will have some questions after reading through it.13:07
ikhudoshyneverybody are welcome to review13:07
ikhudoshynhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122404/13:07
isviridovGreat!13:07
isviridovachudnovets provide numbers about performance impact from big PKI token in ML13:07
isviridovachudnovets, around?13:07
achudnovetsyes13:07
achudnovetsHmm, I'll send an email today. With numbers.13:08
isviridovachudnovets, cool!13:08
isviridov#action provide numbers about performance impact from big PKI token in ML13:09
isviridov#topic Asynchronous table creation and removal13:09
isviridovSeems we have spec and patch to review.13:09
isviridovikhudoshyn, anything else to add?13:10
achudnovetsfor lightweight requests, like list_tables, we can get 5% - 8% performance boost using tokens without service catalog13:10
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ikhudoshynisviridov, nothing from my side13:11
charleswHi ikhudoshyn, if you can add a section about the pros/cons of alternative approaches, it will be even better :)13:11
isviridovWelcome charlesw13:11
ikhudoshyncharlesw, sounds good. I'll do it.. eventually13:11
ikhudoshyn,)13:12
isviridovachudnovets, I see, let us return back to it later or in ML13:12
isviridovcharlesw, what  alternatives do you mean?13:12
* isviridov thinks that we have lost charlesw 13:14
charleswI put some comments in the patch review. I think what we need there is a distributed lock. Some alternative approach can be, for example, using Cassandra itself as a global lock.13:14
isviridovMove on?13:14
rushiagrHi all! Sorry, I am late..13:14
isviridovrushiagr, welcome13:15
rushiagrisviridov: thanks13:15
isviridovcharlesw, I see13:15
isviridovNext topic?13:15
isviridov#topic Monitoring API13:16
isviridovominakov, will you update us with latest status?13:16
ominakovyes, sure13:17
ominakovi've pushed new patch set with implemented size of table in bytes and item counts13:18
isviridov#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnetodb/+spec/monitoring-api13:18
isviridovominakov, great!13:18
ominakovwelcome to review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122330/413:18
isviridovominakov, I believe we have to update the deployment as well13:19
ominakovyep, we should add Jolokia to our C* deployment13:20
ajayaaA bit off-topic but we are starting ceiliometer integration work. So currently we have plans to catch notifications and process them in ceilometer.13:21
ajayaaDo we plan to consume monitoring-api from ceilometer?13:21
isviridovajayaa, are you working on this part?13:22
isviridovajayaa, yes, it can be done by celio. But it is not in prior for now.13:22
ajayaaisviridov, Yes. I have started working on ceilometer integration.13:23
isviridovajayaa, great to know! Let us discuss it in details out of this topic.13:23
isviridovMoving on?13:23
ikhudoshynisviridov, yep13:24
ajayaaisviridov, okay.13:24
rushiagrisviridov: ceilometer work is important to us :)13:24
isviridovrushiagr, I see :)13:24
isviridov#topic Light weight session for authorization13:24
isviridovachudnovets, do you have a conclusion about this BP?13:25
achudnovetsI think we can just use PKI tokens without service catalog13:26
isviridovI like the approach 'to leave all as is' :)13:26
achudnovetsI'm not sure we need to provide some custom mechanism right now13:26
ikhudoshynachudnovets, did you do any measurements?13:26
charleswwhere is the BP?13:27
isviridovcharlesw, #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnetodb/+spec/light-weight-session13:27
romainhhi guys, just a notice. Would it possible to have longer commit messages? It would allow easier understanding of code changes :)13:27
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rushiagrromainh: +100013:28
achudnovetsikhudoshyn: yep, and I'll send an email with some conlusions13:28
isviridovromainh, +213:28
ikhudoshynachudnovets, yep, sry I missed yu answer before13:28
rushiagrromainh: completely agree with you. Also, I see some commits without any blueprints, or bugs included in them..13:28
ikhudoshynromainh, u r right, all of us should work on it))13:28
isviridovromainh, rushiagr feel free to -113:28
ajayaaachudnovets, How did you measure performance hit with PKI tokens?13:29
ajayaaDid you use size of PKI token?13:29
charleswMaybe we should say authN instead of authZ?13:30
achudnovetsajayaa: I sent a lot of requests with PIK token with enabled service catalog and without service catalog. And measure responce time and rps13:31
isviridovcharlesw, not sure. authentication is done by keystone13:32
ajayaaachudnovets, We all agree that PKI tokens without service catalogs are nice and less in size.13:32
ikhudoshynmove on?13:33
isviridovachudnovets, ajayaa moving on?13:33
achudnovets+113:33
ajayaaBut can't we use UUID token and subtract the keystone request time from it to measure real performance impact of PKI?13:33
isviridov#topic Review tempest tests and move to stable test dir13:33
isviridovachudnovets, will you answer or next topic?13:34
ajayaawe can take it offline.13:34
isviridovOk13:35
isviridov#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnetodb/+spec/review-tempest-tests13:35
aostapenkoI've started to review in_progress tempest tests and move some of them to stable dir, so they will affect dvsm job results13:35
isviridovaostapenko, good job! QA is really important13:35
aostapenkoisviridov: thanks13:36
isviridovThe next one?13:36
charleswI noticed updateItem is missing from tempest, any reason?13:36
ikhudoshyncharlesw, nothing but the lack of resources))13:37
ikhudoshynfell free to join13:37
charleswsure13:37
isviridovcharlesw, could you please track it as a bug?13:37
aostapenkocharlesw, could you register a blueprint13:38
ikhudoshynthere are several areas that are not covered yet13:38
charleswwill do13:38
rushiagrcharlesw: ikhudoshyn: I think it is high time we should start filing bugs , or writing blueprints for that matter, for such things13:38
isviridovaostapenko, not sure that BP is need for this. But we can add work item to current one.13:38
ikhudoshynrushiagr, definitely. They are not bugs, I think. BPs are good for that13:38
charleswrushiagr, good point13:39
isviridovcharlesw, great!13:39
ikhudoshynikhudoshyn, do u want one huge pending BP?13:39
rushiagrikhudoshyn: I'm fine with either way, but we should not let someone 'discover' these things out..13:39
ikhudoshyns/ikhudoshyn/isvyrydov/13:39
isviridovrushiagr, ikhudoshyn can't say right now. Bug sounds easier to track. BP is more topic for discussion or long term effort.13:40
ikhudoshynrushiagr, sry , I sort of missed ur point13:40
isviridovLet us file it as a bug and move on13:40
isviridov#topic Monitoring - healthcheck http request13:41
rushiagrif tempest test is missing, it should be given due importance IMO, whether bug or blueprint13:41
ikhudoshynok, let them be bugs13:41
isviridovaostapenko, it is you again13:41
rushiagrpersonally it is a bug, but blueprints will do too if somoene feels like it :)13:41
isviridov#agreed file missed tests as bugs13:42
aostapenkoNow we are looking for lightweight tool to check magnetodb health13:42
aostapenkohere is a bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnetodb/+spec/monitoring-health-check13:42
aostapenkoI suppose it should be http request to magnetodb that will initiate checking of keystone and cassandra availability13:44
isviridovaostapenko, i like it. Could you please write short spec with path, request, response13:44
aostapenkoyes. sure13:44
isviridovdukhlov ikhudoshyn charlesw are you ok with idea?13:44
ikhudoshynisviridov, LGTM13:45
charleswsounds good13:45
isviridovaostapenko, please go ahead with it13:45
isviridov#action aostapenko write a spec about healthcheck13:46
isviridov#topic Log management13:46
ajayaasounds good to me, but this should not be exposed to public.13:46
isviridov#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnetodb/+spec/log-rotating13:46
isviridovI've heard about it from achuprin13:46
ikhudoshynisviridov, ' move out whole logging configuration file' in the spec, do you mean 'to have a separate conf file for the logging subsystem'?13:47
isviridovYeap, it is one of ideas. But let me first describe the problem13:48
charleswajayaa, I think a ping like service can be exposed, or make it optional at deployment13:48
ikhudoshynisviridov, sure go ahead13:48
isviridovWe have too much logs on disk and usage of standard log rotate is not always helpful13:48
isviridovI mean we can wrote several Gbs of logs before cron start and rotate the file13:49
rushiagrcharlesw: can you expand on the idea?13:49
aostapenkoNow we are looking for ability to use log rotating by python logging lib, or make proper config for logrotate tool13:50
isviridovSo, suggested approach is have log rotation by size on application level13:50
charleswlet's follow meeting agenda and discuss a little later maybe.13:50
ikhudoshynmy 2cents, having just one conf for all mdb executables does not sound like a good idea for me13:51
isviridovcharlesw, thx13:51
ikhudoshyndo we have any numbers on the topic? Could disabling 'debug' msgs help us in any way?13:52
isviridovikhudoshyn, I thought about it, because rotating in standard functionality and probably it is not needed to duplicate the configuration in mdb config, but keep the standard format for logging framework13:52
isviridovikhudoshyn, on big deployment doesn13:52
isviridovt help. The audit messages could fill all disk :)13:53
ikhudoshynisviridov, in fact we have 3 (for now) possibly separate deployables, I'd really prefer them to have their own CONFs13:53
isviridovikhudoshyn, agree13:53
charleswI'm with ikhudoshyn13:53
ikhudoshynso even if we gonna have a couple more conf params, lets just have them in service's personal CONFs13:54
isviridov#agreed put log rotation configs in mdb config. No separate logging config13:54
isviridovaostapenko, anything to add from your side?13:54
aostapenkoisviridov no. i've done13:55
isviridov#topic Open discussion13:56
ikhudoshyni'd like to announce one more thing I gonna do13:56
isviridovikhudoshyn, please13:57
ikhudoshynmost of OS projects already moved to oslo.messaging.notify13:57
ikhudoshynI plan to do the same for MDB once I finish with current activities13:57
isviridovikhudoshyn, is it released already?13:58
ikhudoshynyes, afaik13:59
isviridovikhudoshyn, as far as I remember it was not, that is why we have just grabbed some code.13:59
ikhudoshynanyway, nova, sfift, keystone ant lots more use it13:59
ikhudoshynisviridov, that was at the time when we implemented it in MDB14:00
isviridovNice to know, ikhudoshyn please file a bp for that forst14:00
ikhudoshynhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnetodb/+spec/oslo-notify14:00
isviridovWOW14:00
isviridovOk, spec is needed14:00
isviridov#action ikhudoshyn write a spec for migration to  oslo.messaging.notify14:01
ajayaaI have a working implementation of RBAC in magnetodb. I will push it once I am done with unit tests.14:01
isviridovajayaa, WOW!14:01
rushiagrisviridov: do you think it is a good time to move to using magnetodb-specs as a place for tracking blueprints?14:01
charleswyes we should move to oslo messaging. Hopefully MDb code will be minimally impacted if any14:01
isviridovrushiagr, yes. I agree14:01
ikhudoshynajayaa, is there any spec for that?14:01
isviridov#action isviridov look how to created magentodb-spec repo14:02
rushiagrisviridov: let's follow it starting from Kilo14:02
isviridovrushiagr, +114:02
ajayaaThere is a blueprint. I am yet to write a spec. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnetodb/+spec/enforce-acls14:02
ajayaaikhudoshyn ^^14:03
ikhudoshynajayaa, cool14:03
isviridovajayaa, cool!14:03
rushiagrisviridov: a spec repo will be very useful for asking questions on the spec, and also make sure that specs are written comprehensively before any spec is targetted14:03
isviridov#action ajayaa write spec for RBAC14:03
rushiagranother suggestion: we can discuss more about 'ideas' here in the meeting, rather than discuss about status updates of blueprints14:04
isviridovrushiagr, agree14:04
rushiagrI find that we are spending a lot of time tracking updates only, which leaves us with very less time to debate on important ideas/discussions14:05
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isviridovrushiagr, just add an items to meeting agenda and we will discuss it14:05
rushiagrit is partly my fault too. I should have added to agenda, the items I had to discuss :)14:05
isviridovOk, guys we are out of time.14:06
charleswalso please announce meeting agenda some time before meeting so we can look into issues to be discussed14:06
isviridovcharlesw, got you14:06
rushiagris anyone from Symantec present here?14:06
charleswme14:06
rushiagrcharlesw: I wanted to discuss about cassandra provisioning14:06
isviridovThe official part of meeting is finished14:06
isviridov#endmeeting14:07
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rushiagrisviridov: thanks14:07
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charleswsure14:07
rushiagrcharlesw: last meeting I heard you people are using heat for provisioning Cassandra nodes in cloud14:07
rushiagrcharlesw: do you have any idea about that?14:07
charleswI only heard using heat for API and leaving C* out, correct me if I heard it wrong14:08
isviridovrushiagr, we have a deployment of mdb together with C* by heat. As several clicks way. Let me found the link14:09
isviridovrushiagr, https://github.com/stackforge/magnetodb/tree/master/deployment/heat_templates14:10
rushiagrisviridov: oh cool!14:11
rushiagrisviridov: I completely missed that!14:11
rushiagrisviridov: I'll have a look, and comment14:11
rushiagrisviridov: also, probably, I'll also add documentation on how to use them (after I get to use them) :P14:11
charlesweven I missed that :)14:11
rushiagrcharlesw: I wanted to know if what symantec is doing with heat is open sourced or not14:12
charleswI'll check with Keith and get back to you. Keith is out today14:13
rushiagrisviridov: charlesw: very soon, we'll start to look into it too. So was curious that if many parties are interested in it, we can as well create a repository for it and work together :)14:13
isviridovrushiagr, here it is documentation about it https://github.com/stackforge/magnetodb/blob/master/doc/deploy_magnetodb_howto.rst14:13
rushiagrisviridov: oh, mirantis openstack. We are an ubuntu shop :(14:14
isviridovrushiagr, please note it was done half a year ago and has dependencies on some very early version of Mirantis OpenStack14:14
rushiagrI just started to look at the provisioning aspect. I was going to put stuff here: https://github.com/rushiagr/cloud-cassandra . Please don't have a look yet, it is embarassingly crude and has not a single bit of heat :(14:15
isviridovrushiagr, it is all about dependencies, nothing special. I believe it is possible to recove it for ubunntu14:15
rushiagrisviridov: okay. I'll see how we can consume that14:15
rushiagrthat repo was worth an hour of work actually :/14:16
isviridovrushiagr, I believe achuprin is also interested in it14:16
rushiagrcharlesw: sure14:16
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rushiagrisviridov: cool!14:16
charleswrushiagr, please post back how you go with the doc, thx14:17
rushiagrcharlesw: yes, sure14:17
isviridovGuys, one more clarification from my side.14:19
isviridovThere is a schedule conflict with celiometer team, that is why we have meeting in this channel.14:20
charleswthx for clarification14:21
charleswFound the bug already registered for updateItem tempest coverage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnetodb/+bug/133205614:24
isviridovcharlesw, could you give +2 and approve now? I've updated project config14:24
ikhudoshyncharlesw, isviridov, dukhlov https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122404/ guys pls approve14:25
isviridovcharlesw, added to juno-rc114:25
charleswgreat, I'll try :)14:25
charleswyes, +214:27
ikhudoshyncharlesw, tnx14:29
isviridovikhudoshyn, I have to look on it closer. Will do today.14:30
ikhudoshynisviridov, sure, pls do14:30
rushiagrisviridov: just curious, are we not doing i18n yet?14:31
ikhudoshynrushiagr, haven't started yet14:34
rushiagrikhudoshyn: okay. I'll have a proper look at the patch soon, but not today. Too tired :(14:34
ikhudoshynrushiagr, sure14:35
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ajayaaisviridov, ikhudoshyn https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MagnetoDB/specs/rbac15:08
ajayaaPlease let me know if something is not clear.15:09
ikhudoshynajayaa, Great, thanks, I'll take a look on that.15:10
ikhudoshynwill look closer, but there is one question I already get15:12
openstackgerritAlexei Vinogradov proposed a change to stackforge/magnetodb: fixed: Cleanup MagnetoDB specific data from Cassandra  https://review.openstack.org/12407815:12
ikhudoshyn"The above rule could be made stricter by "mdb:create_table":"role:admin and project_id:(project_id)s"."  -- I think we should not have this in a json file.15:12
ikhudoshynAll configurations are the matter of deployment.15:13
ikhudoshynBut project ids are usually defined in runtime15:13
ajayaaHi ikhudoshyn, Yes. But project_ids can be passed during run time to policy engine.15:21
ajayaaThat's how it works. While calling function from policy engine we pass a dictionary containing the project_id and the policy engine checks for project_id against this dictionary.15:23
ikhudoshynit would be great to have a somewhat more detailed API description for that15:24
ikhudoshyni'm afraid I don't follow it15:25
ikhudoshynIt's late for me here. Will try to look closer tomorrow15:25
ikhudoshynbtw, have you looked at how this done in other OS projects?15:25
ikhudoshynif u have some links pls sare15:26
ikhudoshyns/sare/share15:26
ajayaaI will do and update the specs as well.15:27
ajayaaSimilarly I will upload my working POC for you to have a look.15:28
ajayaaikhudoshyn ^^15:28
ikhudoshynajayaa, great15:29
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openstackgerritNuno Santos proposed a change to stackforge/magnetodb: Typo in table name  https://review.openstack.org/12410016:21
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openstackgerritAlexei Vinogradov proposed a change to stackforge/magnetodb: fixed: Cleanup MagnetoDB specific data from Cassandra  https://review.openstack.org/12407818:03
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/magnetodb: Add queued storage manager  https://review.openstack.org/12240418:28
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openstackgerritCharles Wang proposed a change to stackforge/magnetodb: Handle non existent item when calling update_item Closes-Bug: #1373627  https://review.openstack.org/12392721:30
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/magnetodb: Improve json schema validation for requests left  https://review.openstack.org/12244523:02
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