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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/python-heatclient master: Set X-Region-Name in header when using SessionClient https://review.openstack.org/603574 | 07:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat master: Fix heat multi-region support with shared keystone https://review.openstack.org/603575 | 07:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat master: Consider volume in 'reserved' status as detachment in progess https://review.openstack.org/603578 | 07:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat master: Consider volume in 'reserved' status as detachment in progress https://review.openstack.org/603578 | 07:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat master: Do not perform the tenant stack limit check for admin user https://review.openstack.org/593139 | 11:58 |
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| geb | hi | 12:47 |
| geb | thanks zaneb, i'll open a bug report and point to your comment and the bug # you mention :) | 12:47 |
| geb | btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/ is a bit weird, i don't list bugs, allow you to create one etc (but i can make it via #1661594's page). | 12:55 |
| therve | geb: Yeah we don't host bugs there anymore | 12:56 |
| therve | See https://launchpad.net/heat | 12:56 |
| geb | yeah, found it, and also found that ramishra already opened a bug here https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003806, thanks ! | 12:57 |
| geb | ramishra, feel free to let me know you if you need any information from me | 12:58 |
| ramishra | geb: there is already a patch, but I think you can possibly add keystone endpoints for 'all' regions in your keystone catalog to point to the same keystone url and it should work | 13:07 |
| zaneb | just got a message from ricolin that he will miss the beginning of the meeting today | 13:10 |
| geb | ramishra, Thanks ! I did not know it was possible to have an endpoint for 'all' regions, I added regions one by one and it was working fine. | 13:14 |
| geb | (for the record, this kind of setup can be used for example by tacker (NVFO) to allow a single Tacker and a single VIM to launch VNFs in different regions) | 13:15 |
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| ramishra | geb: I mean all regions you have (surely one by one or in a script), not the keyword 'all' in 'openstack endpoint create':) | 13:23 |
| geb | ok :) | 13:23 |
| ricolin | zaneb, just back in time! | 13:53 |
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| ricolin | #startmeeting heat | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 19 14:00:39 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 14:00 |
| ricolin | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:00 | |
| zaneb | o/ | 14:01 |
| ricolin | ramishra, therve ? | 14:02 |
| ramishra | hi | 14:02 |
| therve | Kinda | 14:02 |
| ricolin | o/ | 14:02 |
| ricolin | #topic adding items to agenda | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:02 | |
| ricolin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282018-09-19_1400_UTC.29 | 14:02 |
| ricolin | #topic PTG report | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG report (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:05 | |
| ricolin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2018-Denver-PTG-Heat | 14:05 |
| ricolin | So we try to make some actions for what we should doing in next cycle or for long-term goal | 14:06 |
| ricolin | please give a review on actions | 14:07 |
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| ricolin | There are some cross project discussion or action from PTG | 14:09 |
| ramishra | ricolin: sure, sorry I could not join remotely as discussed earlier, was not 100% | 14:09 |
| ricolin | we got discuss with barbican (security-sig) about keypair and ssl option for multicloud | 14:09 |
| ricolin | ramishra, NP, we can always work things out online | 14:10 |
| ricolin | also trigger Glance team to discuss enable web download for devstack by default(not getting information for that after PTG) | 14:10 |
| ricolin | Plan to provide cross-project self-healing tempest test for self-healing-sig | 14:11 |
| zaneb | we also had a lot of discussions with the octavia team | 14:11 |
| ricolin | And monasca PTL take action to review our Monasca resources and also plan to implement event alarm in Monasca | 14:12 |
| ricolin | yeah, and these two story is what we proposed in octavia | 14:14 |
| ricolin | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003773 | 14:14 |
| ricolin | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003782 | 14:14 |
| ricolin | and not like a cross-porject but we also provide UC our new user survey https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-user-survey-brainstrom | 14:15 |
| ricolin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-user-survey-brainstrom | 14:15 |
| zaneb | also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602393/2 should improve our gate. I just cleared the workflow-1 | 14:15 |
| ricolin | which is octavia team's suggestion | 14:16 |
| ramishra | zaneb: yeah, just approved | 14:16 |
| ricolin | nice | 14:16 |
| zaneb | thanks! | 14:17 |
| ricolin | I plan to write a ML out for asking people join review and help on implement actions | 14:19 |
| ricolin | also mark some low-hanging-fruit | 14:19 |
| ricolin | Any of you think we still missing some actions? | 14:20 |
| ricolin | Also we need to discuss about consider remove non-apache and amqp1 job | 14:22 |
| ricolin | therve, ramishra do we still need those two jobs? | 14:22 |
| ramishra | ricolin: I'll check them in detail tomorrow. probably we should prioritize tasks from the beginning of the cycle itself as we don't have many contributors active. We can't do a lot | 14:22 |
| ricolin | ramishra, yeah, that's kind of the reason I gonna send mail and ask for help. Also it depends on what you guys most interesting on, so feel free to put your name on any actions if that's something you can do | 14:24 |
| ramishra | ricolin: we should be able to remove non-apache job, but those are non-voting atm, We also need to change the job names we are using atm *lbaasv2* and *mysql* etc | 14:26 |
| therve | ricolin: the amqp1 job is nice, but we can do without | 14:28 |
| zaneb | therve: what's it actually testing? | 14:28 |
| ricolin | ramishra, I didn't see much error really concerns about non-apache, did you see any? | 14:29 |
| therve | zaneb: Using qrouterd for the messaging bus | 14:29 |
| zaneb | I mean, what's it actually testing in Heat? | 14:29 |
| zaneb | we don't have any specific code for that, right? it's just oslo.messaging? | 14:30 |
| therve | Well, in heat not using rabbit for engine stuff | 14:30 |
| therve | It seems mostly nowadays | 14:31 |
| zaneb | I'm ok with keeping it if it serves a useful purpose (does anybody use qrouterd?), I'm just not sure it's our job to watch for breakage in that | 14:32 |
| zaneb | as opposed to e.g. oslo.messaging's job | 14:32 |
| ricolin | I guess we can put it in review and see if anyone find that we should keep any of those two jobs | 14:35 |
| ramishra | ricolin: I don't think we check for failures in non-voting jobs anymore, atleast I don't. (not seen them failing for specific issues). So may be we can just remove those | 14:35 |
| ramishra | if we want to save infra resources:) | 14:36 |
| therve | zaneb: Well, oslo messaging was not doing its job so I was helping | 14:36 |
| zaneb | therve: ok :) | 14:36 |
| therve | Also I wished people used qrouterd, but what can I do, beside have a job that works :) | 14:37 |
| zaneb | I don't think it hurts to leave it then | 14:38 |
| zaneb | we are not sucking up much gate time compared to e.g. TripleO :) | 14:39 |
| ricolin | #action please review PTG etherpad and leave comments | 14:39 |
| ricolin | let's move on:) | 14:39 |
| ricolin | #topic Autoscaling integration | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Autoscaling integration (Meeting topic: heat)" | 14:39 | |
| ricolin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/autoscaling-integration-and-feedback | 14:40 |
| ricolin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134770.html | 14:40 |
| ricolin | We been trigger some discussion about improve autoscaling and self-healing | 14:40 |
| ricolin | I send a ML out, and now might be a good time to discuss what can we do to improve and integrate autoscaling cross Heat and Senlin | 14:41 |
| ricolin | The etherpad is about collect discussion | 14:41 |
| ricolin | also use it to discuss in Berlin of we got forum | 14:42 |
| ricolin | which I already proposed | 14:42 |
| ricolin | s/of/if/ | 14:42 |
| ricolin | So any idea on how that might works? | 14:43 |
| zaneb | I think it's a good thing to discuss, but I'm not clear what integration would look like | 14:43 |
| zaneb | actually, maybe we should back up a bit | 14:43 |
| zaneb | so what ricolin and I discussed at the PTG was... | 14:44 |
| zaneb | lots of people including probably at least half of the world's telco's are using Heat autoscaling | 14:44 |
| zaneb | Senlin exists and is probably much better, but people are not using it | 14:44 |
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| zaneb | so it seems like it might be time to invest in cleaning up the Heat autoscaling code | 14:46 |
| zaneb | now the original plan (pre-Senlin) was to spin it out into a library that could then form the basis of an external service | 14:46 |
| zaneb | ricolin: and I assume that's what your Forum proposal references? | 14:47 |
| ricolin | yes | 14:47 |
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| zaneb | but I don't know that the Senlin team are going to see anything in it for them at this point | 14:48 |
| zaneb | (in fact they're interpreting it as they'll spin the Selin implementation out into a library and Heat will use it) | 14:48 |
| ricolin | zaneb, if you see the `why and what` section, is exactly what I proposed to forum so if you like to update more information, I can refresh the proposal | 14:48 |
| zaneb | either way, I think it's a very good (and probably overdue) discussion to have | 14:48 |
| ricolin | zaneb, agree with you, to clear our ASG structure will help much more to get clear view on how we might be integrating | 14:49 |
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| ricolin | Also can we kind of set a long-term goal to said let's keep only one group resource (ASG) if that can cover other's (resource group/instance group/etc.) functionality | 14:50 |
| zaneb | yeah. we need to rationalise to be able to make any bug fixes or improvements at all really. we have several duplicate implementations (InstanceGroup, AutoscalingGroup, ResourceGroup) | 14:50 |
| zaneb | it's a mess | 14:51 |
| ricolin | ramishra, therve any though? | 14:52 |
| ramishra | ricolin: Do we know why people not using selnin and using heat ASG? may be question for senlin team | 14:52 |
| zaneb | anyway, somewhere in my copious spare^W time I'll try to revive the patches I started on and try to figure out what they mean | 14:52 |
| therve | zaneb: I'd like sources on "lots of people including probably at least half of the world's telco's are using Heat autoscaling" | 14:53 |
| ramishra | I think all efforts earlier to clean up the group resources were kind of stalled as everyone was pointing out that's senlin's job | 14:53 |
| ramishra | now we are back to it again;) | 14:53 |
| ricolin | for sure that Blizzard using Senlin, and that's why they pick up Senlin and run for PTL | 14:53 |
| zaneb | ramishra: one reason is certainly that RH doesn't ship it | 14:54 |
| zaneb | but that's a whole other minefield | 14:54 |
| zaneb | therve: studies show that 84% of statistics are made up | 14:54 |
| therve | Unless you mean ResourceGroup? | 14:54 |
| therve | ricolin: What are the particular pain points for the users? | 14:57 |
| zaneb | I believe ASG, although at this point RG is almost as big a mess anyway | 14:57 |
| ricolin | therve, we got some requests of improvement from public cloud, and telecom | 14:58 |
| therve | Okay | 14:58 |
| ricolin | the integrating idea is something we try to figure out how can we improve from this point | 14:59 |
| ramishra | ricolin: I've not seen any bugs for ASG for sometime, for improvement these vendors need to contribute I suppose, just asking for improvements would not help | 15:00 |
| ramishra | I had an improvment patch that merged after 2 years;) | 15:01 |
| ricolin | Public Cloud WG promise to help us to get more attention for get specific issue and help | 15:01 |
| ricolin | On the other hand we do got some user feel very confuse on Heat and Senlin, and we kind of doing a lot of duplicated works right now | 15:02 |
| zaneb | ramishra: tbh I don't think the current code is maintainable enough for anyone to contribute | 15:03 |
| ricolin | #action give your feedback/comments to autoscaling idea https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/autoscaling-integration-and-feedback | 15:05 |
| ramishra | zaneb: Well we're maintaining it and lots of people using it:) but I get the point, we never spent time on those as senlin was supposed to be the go to thing which I'm hearing has possibly changed now | 15:05 |
| ricolin | Okay, let's leave some comments first, and I need to jump around code to see at least how can we improve our self | 15:06 |
| ricolin | we already over time | 15:06 |
| ricolin | and I really like to raise the last topic at this meeting | 15:06 |
| ricolin | sorry about the cutting | 15:06 |
| ricolin | #topic Berlin summit | 15:06 |
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| ricolin | forum brainstorming | 15:06 |
| ricolin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-stein-forum-heat-brainstorming | 15:07 |
| ricolin | So I already propose ops/user feedback for heat, and autoscaling integrating forum | 15:07 |
| * ricolin also propose sig/wgs expose | 15:07 | |
| ricolin | beside those, | 15:08 |
| ricolin | we also have project update, onboarding | 15:08 |
| ricolin | session | 15:08 |
| ricolin | so anyone will join Berlin summit and help to host those session together?:) | 15:09 |
| ricolin | zaneb, ramishra therve ^^^ | 15:09 |
| therve | I don't plan to | 15:10 |
| zaneb | I'll be there obviously and can help | 15:10 |
| ramishra | me neither | 15:10 |
| ricolin | Okay, thank for the information | 15:10 |
| ricolin | for Onboarding, I'm thinking about run some specific scenario like autoscaling and self-healing instead of general look through | 15:11 |
| ricolin | feel free to stop me if any of you think that's a bad idea:) | 15:11 |
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| ricolin | kazsh, will you be in berlin?:) | 15:12 |
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| ricolin | #action review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-stein-forum-heat-brainstorming | 15:13 |
| ricolin | The CFP for Forum ended next week | 15:13 |
| ricolin | so if any idea, or suggesting please do before the deadline | 15:13 |
| ricolin | Appears we got some discussion and actions need to be keep going, so let's discuss those next week | 15:15 |
| ricolin | Anything to raise before we ended | 15:15 |
| ricolin | #topic Open discussion | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:15 | |
| zaneb | I'm good | 15:16 |
| ricolin | Okay, let's end meeting now and sorry about the overtime | 15:16 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 19 15:16:51 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-09-19-14.00.html | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-09-19-14.00.txt | 15:16 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2018/heat.2018-09-19-14.00.log.html | 15:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat master: Use no-op drivers for Octavia in gate https://review.openstack.org/602393 | 15:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nakul Dahiwade proposed openstack/heat master: Fail to release a stack_lock in the database is a fatal action. https://review.openstack.org/591817 | 18:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Nakul Dahiwade proposed openstack/heat master: Fail to release a stack_lock in the database is a fatal action. https://review.openstack.org/591817 | 18:19 |
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