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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat master: Error log expression. https://review.openstack.org/450568 | 08:39 |
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| gfidente | shardy therve I think there is something still missing in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419588/ | 10:09 |
| gfidente | for exaple when deploying this http://sprunge.us/faKY | 10:10 |
| gfidente | stack.t.get(stack.t.RESOURCES) does not contain BlockStorageUpgradeBatch_Step2 and the depends_on for it fail | 10:10 |
| shardy | gfidente: Hmm, can you reproduce it with a small reproducer template? | 10:14 |
| shardy | gfidente: if so please raise a bug - we should add this to the heat integration tests I think | 10:14 |
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| gfidente | shardy yesterday I tried all day, even nested stacks and couldn't reproduce it | 10:17 |
| gfidente | but there is one interesting thing | 10:17 |
| gfidente | on the first update attempt stack.t.get(stack.t.RESOURCES) does contain a version of the templates which include the BlockStorageUpgradeBatch_Step2 resource | 10:18 |
| gfidente | so the first update attempt succeed, the depends_on are validated | 10:18 |
| gfidente | on the second update attempt of the same stack, then they don't appear anymore | 10:18 |
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| gfidente | is it possible RESOURCES is updated after the first attempt with a copy of the "executed" templates vs "original" templates? | 10:19 |
| shardy | gfidente: did the first update fail? | 10:20 |
| gfidente | shardy no the first one succeeded | 10:20 |
| shardy | gfidente: basically I think the answer is yes, we do update the stored resources during the update, but I'm not sure why it'd be different after one update completes | 10:20 |
| shardy | gfidente: I did create a reproducer in https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1649900, so if that's not enough to reproduce it, I think we need to add debug while doing the tripleo update, then figure out a reproducer that will trigger it | 10:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649900 in heat "Can't use conditions with depends_on" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Thomas Herve (therve) | 10:22 |
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| shardy | then we have the basis of an integration test so we can ensure this stays fixed | 10:23 |
| gfidente | shardy the problem is that your reproducer and another I created, where the depends_on and the resource appear in a nested stack | 10:24 |
| gfidente | both pass with therve's patch | 10:24 |
| gfidente | so I couldn't really see what makes the specific tripleo template to fail | 10:25 |
| gfidente | I added some lines to dump stack.t.RESOURCES to see if it changes in between the first and the second update attempt | 10:25 |
| shardy | gfidente: it'd be interesting to add debug before/after this line: | 10:26 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/stack.py#L1546 | 10:26 |
| shardy | gfidente: have you been testing on an undercloud, e.g with convergence disabled? | 10:26 |
| gfidente | converge disabled yes | 10:27 |
| gfidente | but I tested the reproducer on the same environment and it passed | 10:27 |
| shardy | gfidente: Ok, and you tried updating it twice? | 10:27 |
| gfidente | updating twice yes | 10:28 |
| gfidente | modifying the randomstring salt | 10:28 |
| gfidente | to make sure it was triggering an update | 10:28 |
| gfidente | and yet it worked | 10:28 |
| gfidente | so I was short of ideas | 10:29 |
| shardy | gfidente: you could also try the actual tripleo template you pasted, but map the SoftwareDeployment resources to OS::Heat::None (or pass them an empty servers list I guess) | 10:29 |
| gfidente | ah good, let me try that | 10:30 |
| gfidente | thanks | 10:30 |
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| gfidente | shardy_ no luck, mocking the resources for that same template made it pass | 10:45 |
| shardy_ | gfidente: Ok, I guess reproducing via tripleo with more heat debug is the only option | 10:46 |
| shardy_ | note you can probably trigger an update of only that one stack | 10:46 |
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| gfidente | also interesting, how? | 10:46 |
| shardy_ | http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/tripleo-partial-stack-updates.html | 10:46 |
| gfidente | aha :_ | 10:46 |
| gfidente | tks | 10:46 |
| shardy_ | gfidente: np, may speed up the debug loop a little | 10:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat master: Remove unnecessary old translation mechanism https://review.openstack.org/420024 | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat master: Get rid of undesirable properties.data usage https://review.openstack.org/449116 | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat master: Enable new translation mechanism https://review.openstack.org/420022 | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat master: Add few functional tests for translation https://review.openstack.org/420023 | 10:56 |
| tuan_727 | Hi guys | 10:56 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: Hi! | 10:56 |
| tuan_727 | damn, why my name is 727 | 10:57 |
| tuan_727 | :D | 10:57 |
| tuan_727 | shardy_: Hi Steve | 10:57 |
| tuan_727 | so, can we talk now | 10:58 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: sure, how can I help? | 10:58 |
| tuan_727 | shardy_: yep, i saw that you also commented about using trust for mistral | 10:59 |
| tuan_727 | to solve the problem of expired token | 10:59 |
| tuan_727 | IMHO, i also support this idea | 10:59 |
| tuan_727 | therefore i would like to implement it | 10:59 |
| tuan_727 | then i think i should talk to you before i do that | 10:59 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: yes, that's been working OK for heat, but note at the PTG there was some discussion because this solution doesn't currently work with federation | 10:59 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: I think there is work on the keystone side to resolve that, but I've not yet checked the latest status | 11:00 |
| tuan_727 | yep, we had it with "allow_expired token" | 11:00 |
| tuan_727 | and another feature is "service token" | 11:00 |
| tuan_727 | but in our case, we mistral can not wait for the new relaease | 11:00 |
| tuan_727 | we somehow have to support the old versions too | 11:01 |
| shardy_ | Yeah, I think in future there may be better ways to do this, but trusts works OK right now, except the federation issue | 11:01 |
| tuan_727 | from mistral point of view, it seems that by some way, it should fix it | 11:01 |
| tuan_727 | agree, and mistral actually does not care too much about federation | 11:02 |
| tuan_727 | :) | 11:02 |
| tuan_727 | it should care much about expired token when running a long executions | 11:02 |
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| tuan_727 | could you make a quick summary for what you did in heat | 11:03 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: sure - have you read my blog post about it? | 11:04 |
| tuan_727 | yep, and it is cool | 11:04 |
| shardy_ | http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/heat-auth-model-updates-part-1-trusts.html | 11:04 |
| tuan_727 | i saw your implementation | 11:04 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: Ok, so in summary we create a trust when a heat stack is created | 11:04 |
| tuan_727 | okay | 11:04 |
| shardy_ | the user creating the stack (trustor) delegates all their roles to a heat user, the trustor | 11:05 |
| shardy_ | sorry trustee | 11:05 |
| tuan_727 | yep | 11:05 |
| shardy_ | by default that's the admin "heat" user, but it's configurable | 11:05 |
| tuan_727 | ok | 11:05 |
| shardy_ | then, when reauthentication is enabled in the heat.conf, we switch to a trust scoped token when an API request is processed | 11:05 |
| shardy_ | and check the expiry, so we can get a new trust scoped token before it expires | 11:06 |
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| shardy_ | that's basically all there is to it | 11:06 |
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| tuan_727 | i got that | 11:06 |
| tuan_727 | i seems that if i want to do it in mistral | 11:07 |
| tuan_727 | i have to implement it in each of action i would like to | 11:07 |
| tuan_727 | the same as "heat stack create" | 11:07 |
| shardy_ | Isn't it something you can handle when creating an workflow or action execution? | 11:07 |
| tuan_727 | yes it is | 11:08 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: the other part of this, is we have an abstraction that wraps all the OpenStack clients | 11:08 |
| shardy_ | that is passed around with the keystone context into all the heat code | 11:08 |
| shardy_ | that makes it easier to share the trust scoped token, and have one place where reauthentication is calculated | 11:08 |
| shardy_ | it also means we can share the same client instances | 11:08 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: last time I looked, mistal actions didn't have a model like this, and each action had to create it's own clients etc | 11:09 |
| tuan_727 | oh, it seems that we should use keystoneauth library | 11:09 |
| shardy_ | so that's probably the biggest problem to solve here, I think? | 11:09 |
| tuan_727 | yes you are right | 11:09 |
| tuan_727 | i mistral we do not have | 11:09 |
| tuan_727 | well, i think i should write the bp first | 11:10 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: I discussed this with rbrady and d0ugal at one point - I was thinking it might be possible to have mistral and heat share the same code | 11:10 |
| shardy_ | for the wrapper around the clients etc | 11:10 |
| shardy_ | then you get the reauthentication stuff for free | 11:10 |
| shardy_ | IIRC there were some concerns around that, but I can't recall exactly what | 11:10 |
| tuan_727 | i like this idea | 11:11 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: basically the context for heat is shared around all heat resource plugins | 11:11 |
| shardy_ | but I seem to recall the mistral model treated action plugins as less trusted, even though they all get the same keystone credentials when running a workflow | 11:11 |
| shardy_ | seems like a context object created at the point of creating the *execution might be a way to solve this | 11:12 |
| shardy_ | e.g some common context that is passed into all action plugins | 11:12 |
| shardy_ | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/common/context.py#L155 | 11:12 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: that is the heat common context object, and it contains a reference to a common keystone session and cached client objects for python-*client | 11:13 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: that approach has some performance advantages, as each action doesn't have to get a new token etc | 11:13 |
| tuan_727 | yep, it sounds interesting | 11:13 |
| tuan_727 | okay, so i think i should write a BP first | 11:14 |
| tuan_727 | and then we will going to implement it if this BP is OK | 11:14 |
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| shardy_ | tuan_727: Ok, sounds good, please add me as a reviewer | 11:15 |
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| shardy_ | tuan_727: FYI we've somewhat created this kind of abstraction in tripleo-common, with the base.TripleOAction | 11:16 |
| tuan_727 | shardy_: yep, for sure | 11:16 |
| tuan_727 | :) | 11:16 |
| shardy_ | it inherits from mistral base.Action, and we create clients in the base class | 11:16 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: what would be great, IMO, is a new mistral base class, like BaseWithContext or something | 11:16 |
| shardy_ | BaseWithClients? | 11:16 |
| shardy_ | anyway, some way to not break existing action plugins, but create an interface that adds all the clients in a common way | 11:17 |
| tuan_727 | BaseWithClients seems explict | 11:17 |
| tuan_727 | yep | 11:17 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: Cool, if we did that, and had the *exection pass in the keystone session, I think that's all we'd need | 11:18 |
| shardy_ | then all the tripleo-common code could be removed | 11:18 |
| shardy_ | I'm not that familiar with how mistral handles the action exections tho, I'll try to take a look | 11:18 |
| tuan_727 | okay Steve | 11:19 |
| tuan_727 | thank for your time | 11:19 |
| tuan_727 | i will write the BP first and then we will decide to go further later | 11:19 |
| shardy_ | tuan_727: Ok sounds good! | 11:20 |
| tuan_727 | perfect, i need to go for lunch now :D, have a nice day | 11:20 |
| shardy_ | o/ | 11:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat master: Get rid of undesirable properties.data usage https://review.openstack.org/449116 | 13:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat master: Enable new translation mechanism https://review.openstack.org/420022 | 13:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat master: Add few functional tests for translation https://review.openstack.org/420023 | 13:54 |
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| zaneb | jasond: I assume there's a reason that our swift tempurls all expire in 2036? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/engine/clients/os/swift.py#n106 Is it because swift can't handle epoch rollover yet? | 15:08 |
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| jasond | zaneb: maybe, i would have to do some testing to be sure. maybe we can revisit the question in 2026? :) | 17:11 |
| zaneb | lol | 17:11 |
| jasond | zaneb: will you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445662/ ? | 17:11 |
| zaneb | yes | 17:12 |
| zaneb | jasond: commented | 17:19 |
| jasond | zaneb: thanks, will address those shortly | 17:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat master: Only recreate CHECK FAILED resources in ResourceGroup https://review.openstack.org/445662 | 17:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Crag Wolfe proposed openstack/heat master: WIP -- Retry metadata updates if needed https://review.openstack.org/451917 | 18:50 |
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| stingaci | Hello all. Does anyone know if there's a a way to include entries in the resource_registry from another file? | 20:49 |
| stingaci | I have a bunch of env files that all share a number of resource_registry definitions and then they have unique entires as well. I want to put all the common resource definitions in one file and only include that file in each different environment file. | 20:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat master: Only recreate CHECK FAILED resources in ResourceGroup https://review.openstack.org/445662 | 21:06 |
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| zaneb | stingaci: no, but you can pass multiple environment files | 21:10 |
| stingaci | yeah I know, I'm just trying to make it easier for our users by only referencing one | 21:15 |
| stingaci | would've been cool if I could've leveraged the get_file function in the resource_registry section | 21:15 |
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