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| eliqiao | hi, heater I wonder if the description of resource support variable replacement? | 03:11 |
| eliqiao | Hi Qiming , there? do you konw ^ ^ | 03:14 |
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| jidar | anybody ever see a heat resource-list show nothing but an error | 04:24 |
| jidar | (as in all resources are missing from the output) | 04:24 |
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| therve | shardy, I saw those patches breaking cycles go in, not a big change? | 08:49 |
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| shardy | therve: Yeah I tested them on TripleO and it seems to help with memory usage a bit | 08:56 |
| shardy | we still hold on to over 1GB after an overcloud deploy tho.. | 08:56 |
| therve | shardy, So next hope is that files dedup? | 08:56 |
| shardy | (and that's not including the memory for the API services) | 08:56 |
| shardy | Yeah, that didn't work when I tried it, but I think that potentially may help a lot | 08:56 |
| therve | Well it's failing the gate, so once fixed it might work :) | 08:57 |
| shardy | Yup, as soon as the tests pass I'll pull and test again on TripleO, then I can easily provide before/after stats | 08:57 |
| cwolferh | speaking of which... i hope the last patch is the charm, at least enough for proof of concept | 08:57 |
| shardy | cwolferh: nice, thanks! | 08:57 |
| * cwolferh waits on gate results | 08:57 | |
| shardy | if it passes some of the integration tests I'll try it locally this afternoon | 08:58 |
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| cwolferh | shardy, no problem. the non-convergence is passing, but i think the convergence errors are pointing to something valid | 08:58 |
| cwolferh | namely that db commits don't seem to happen as fast as i they think they would (between processes), so i just put in a total hack to get around that. assuming that's the issue | 08:59 |
| shardy | cwolferh: OK, for TripleO we only really care about the non-convergence case right now, so if that's passing I'll give it a go | 09:00 |
| cwolferh | shardy, sounds good | 09:00 |
| therve | cwolferh, I'm a bit worried that there is a global cache | 09:04 |
| therve | Wondering if we can't remove that | 09:04 |
| therve | Otherwise, this really ought to use dogpfile cache system so that it's configurable | 09:04 |
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| therve | But I'd rather see something like a context-level cache if that works | 09:05 |
| shardy | therve: hey, just FYI I'm currently creating the series/milestones in launchpad for tripleo, and I noticed there's not yet any newton series/milestones for heat | 09:05 |
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| shardy | Apparently there are scripts in openstack-infra/release-tools that can be used to create them, I'm working that out now | 09:05 |
| therve | shardy, They seems to be there? | 09:05 |
| therve | I can assign bugs at least | 09:05 |
| shardy | https://launchpad.net/heat says "mitaka series is the current focus of development" | 09:06 |
| therve | Ah yeah | 09:06 |
| therve | Just changed that | 09:06 |
| therve | But the series still exist | 09:06 |
| shardy | and there's no newton in series and milestones, but yeah I see the actual series does exist now | 09:06 |
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| shardy | ack, I missed that, thanks | 09:06 |
| shardy | nice, fixed - thanks! | 09:07 |
| cwolferh | therve, not sure what's so bad the global cache. the real data is in the db. the end goal is to cache template_files dicts in ram, so i'm happy to change the approach assuming the proof of concept shows improvement | 09:07 |
| therve | cwolferh, Mostly, it's unlikely that you find a mechanism that will work for all config | 09:08 |
| therve | So you need to add config items | 09:08 |
| therve | So I think configuring the cache backend is even better | 09:09 |
| therve | Also globals are evil and racy | 09:09 |
| cwolferh | yeah, true, the size of the cache should be configurable | 09:09 |
| shardy | I was wondering what the model is for pruning/invalidating the cache | 09:09 |
| cwolferh | right now i have it set to a GB (loosely) | 09:10 |
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| shardy | e.g where do we call _remove_files, I can't spot it atm | 09:10 |
| cwolferh | in the prune function | 09:10 |
| therve | shardy, When it adds | 09:10 |
| therve | But yeah if we use dogpfile we'll have expiration! Hooray | 09:11 |
| cwolferh | i figured that, assuming it worked, my next step would be to make it a weakref dict per zaneb's suggestion. (but then i was thinking it would still be nice to limit the size of the cache, but that would mean yet more bookkeeping) | 09:12 |
| therve | cwolferh, FWIW, I think you should split the patch, first the db and then the memory part | 09:13 |
| shardy | It looks like we're pruning a random sample of keys, but I guess I'm not clear what happens at the end of a stack operation, e.g previously the Template object was destroyed and the files map with it, but now we've got globals, so do we explicltly purge it e.g at the end of a create/update etc? | 09:13 |
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| shardy | we also have the (existing) issue of PATCH updates, where we don't track files usage, so the files map for a given tree of staccks just grows over time (assuming new files are added and some become unused) | 09:14 |
| therve | shardy, That part is not done AFAIU | 09:14 |
| cwolferh | shardy, so, the really bad thing about the patch atm is it doesn't clean up the db raw_template_files | 09:14 |
| cwolferh | therve, yeah | 09:14 |
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| shardy | Ok, cool, that's what I was looking to clarify :) | 09:14 |
| cwolferh | but the cache i'm less worried about, entries will die out over time | 09:15 |
| cwolferh | and the random way was just because i was in a hurry | 09:15 |
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| shardy | Sure, and I guess it'll be pretty easy to wire in a purge function which deletes a list of keys when a stack operation completes (possibly just before we release the stack lock, so we also purge on lock timeout when an engine goes down) | 09:16 |
| shardy | I do kinda wonder if we could use an existing cache implementation instead of rolling our own tho | 09:16 |
| cwolferh | yeah, probably not rolling our own makes sense :-) | 09:17 |
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| cwolferh | shardy, therve, well the latest patch didn't pass convergence either. judging by http://paste.openstack.org/show/494955/, my last hack to try up to 10 times to retrieve the db obj in _refresh isn't working. http://paste.openstack.org/show/494955/ . that's all i've got for now, going to bed. | 09:58 |
| shardy | cwolferh: ack, thanks! | 10:02 |
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| p01nt3r75 | hi guys, someone know if lbaasv2 is supported on heat liberty release ? | 11:44 |
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| ramishra | p01nt3r75: nope it's available from mitaka.http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/heat/mitaka.html | 11:51 |
| p01nt3r75 | ramishra: thanks | 11:51 |
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| p01nt3r75 | ramishra: I have enabled lbaas v2 on liberty and ran 'neutron-db-manage --service lbaas upgrade head'. Do you know if at now I can stop the lbaas v2 agent and run the v1 ? | 12:20 |
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| therve | p01nt3r75, Neutron people would have a better idea :) | 12:36 |
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| p01nt3r75 | therve: the problem is that if I want to use heat on lbaas I have to upgrade everything to mitaka :D | 12:38 |
| therve | Not really. You should be able to use Heat mitaka against Neutron liberty | 12:39 |
| therve | Even it's the case, we can't really help you upgrade Neutron :/ | 12:39 |
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| clayton | hrm, it appears that rackspace is claiming heat convergence engine is ready for production with mitaka, but I didn't see that in the release notes (https://blog.rackspace.com/openstack-comes-age-mitaka/) | 12:41 |
| clayton | anyone know if that's the case? | 12:42 |
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| p01nt3r75 | therve: upgrading only heat to mitaka could be an idea.. but I'm using centos repo and mitaka and liberty are on differents one. Anyway you mean that it doesn't cause problems ? for example doesn't it cause problem with horizon ? ? | 12:47 |
| p01nt3r75 | *mitaka and liberty on centos 7 are on differents repo | 12:47 |
| therve | p01nt3r75, I don't know about Horizon | 12:48 |
| therve | Heat support is somewhat suboptimal anyway | 12:48 |
| therve | You probably need 2 different hosts to do that | 12:49 |
| therve | clayton, You don't get from not production ready to ready with a switch | 12:50 |
| therve | It's more ready than liberty and less than newton | 12:50 |
| therve | It's also marketing material, so they can say whatever they want :) | 12:51 |
| therve | That said, we didn't enable it by default, so it should give you a hint on what we think. | 12:52 |
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| clayton | right, I just thought it was weird since convergence isn't really new, but it sounds like "hey, everyone should start using this new awesome thing" | 12:53 |
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| clayton | I'm looking forward to using convergence, so I was excited to read that, and disappointed it wasn't in the release notes :) | 12:55 |
| therve | Well you can use it right now. It's also possible Rackspace enables it | 12:58 |
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| therve | clayton, FWIW it's mostly about us being conservative. It's very much usable, and we'd love feedback. | 13:04 |
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| duvarenkov | + | 13:50 |
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| eoin | Hi, I’ve got a question about autoscaling groups | 13:54 |
| eoin | Has anyone used autoscaling to replace broken vms in a stack? We are trying to do this by calling the scaleup url directly to give us a new VM, | 13:56 |
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| eoin | however it seems to break periodically | 13:57 |
| therve | eoin, "break" how? | 13:58 |
| eoin | Meaning that when you curl the scale_up url it does nothing | 13:58 |
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| therve | Have you checked the cooldown period? | 13:59 |
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| eoin | cooldown is 60 | 14:01 |
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| eoin | How should this work? Does it mean it ignores requests if they come <= cooldown after the previous request? | 14:02 |
| therve | Yes | 14:02 |
| eoin | Ok, I think that shouldn’t be the issue (I assume the cooldown is in seconds?) | 14:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-heatclient: OpenStack client plugin for environment show https://review.openstack.org/270934 | 14:05 |
| therve | Yeah | 14:05 |
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| therve | Generally Heat should log something if it goes wrong, have you checked the logs? | 14:09 |
| eoin | I don’t have access to the logs on this system :( | 14:10 |
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| eoin | If I were to open a support ticket - what should I ask for? heat-engine logs / heat-api? | 14:11 |
| therve | Yeah. heat-cfn-api maybe too | 14:12 |
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| eoin | OK, thanks | 14:13 |
| eoin | As a general question, is invoking the URL directly like this a good idea? Could it lead to inconsistencies in Heat? | 14:14 |
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| therve | Yeah it should be fine | 14:18 |
| therve | It's not meant to be used to replace broken VMs, but it should work :) | 14:19 |
| eoin | That’s what I was thinking until it stopped working :) | 14:20 |
| eoin | If we delete the broken VM, does the stack update the size of the scaling group? | 14:21 |
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| therve | No | 14:31 |
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| eoin | OK thanks therve, I’ll see if I can get some logs from the system | 14:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Chuprykov proposed openstack/heat-specs: Add support of YAQL to heat https://review.openstack.org/303396 | 15:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Di XiaoLi proposed openstack/heat: Modify the expected status in handle_check https://review.openstack.org/304552 | 15:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Use messaging notifications transport instead of default https://review.openstack.org/305696 | 15:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Drago proposed openstack/heat: Make RPC call to abandon nested stack https://review.openstack.org/309078 | 16:00 |
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| ying_zuo | Hello, can I have some reviews for my patches? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301229/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303628/ | 16:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Drago proposed openstack/heat: Make RPC call to abandon nested stack https://review.openstack.org/309078 | 16:22 |
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| pbourke_ | hi, can anyone tell me how the following is supposed to work? https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/bin/heat-keystone-setup-domain#L83-L85 | 16:31 |
| pbourke_ | from what I can see oslo.log doesn't have a basicConfig, this is a python logging method in any example I can find (I ask as this piece of code is failing to find that method) | 16:31 |
| therve | pbourke_, Probably broken by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262975/ | 16:34 |
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| pbourke_ | therve: im surprised no one is hitting this | 16:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Crag Wolfe proposed openstack/heat: De-duplicate raw_template.files https://review.openstack.org/303692 | 19:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Make parameter decryption more robust https://review.openstack.org/308400 | 20:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Drago proposed openstack/heat: Make RPC call to abandon nested stack https://review.openstack.org/309078 | 21:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Drago proposed openstack/heat: Revert "Enable abandon option to nested resource" https://review.openstack.org/309184 | 21:23 |
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| zaneb | therve, cwolferh: re scrollback, dogpile.cache is *not* a solution for in-memory caching | 22:08 |
| zaneb | it solves a completely different problem | 22:09 |
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| cwolferh | btw, no errors in the latest patch... because i removed the code that deletes raw_template_files objects because that is race-y. or more likely to be in convergence. | 22:11 |
| cwolferh | (i had forgotten that i had taken a stab at the raw_template_files deletion when chatting about it earlier) | 22:11 |
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| cwolferh | so the patch should be good enough for proof of concept. the only problem is, there is no non-race-y way of doing it without some sort of db interaction when a TemplateFile object is instantiated | 22:13 |
| cwolferh | Template object is instantiated, I mean | 22:14 |
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| cwolferh | i think dogpile.cache can use the filesystem as a cache which relies on the OS to cache some file contents in RAM, as it does. but therve can make the argument better than i can, and i'm not sure it is ideal either | 22:17 |
| zaneb | sounds like what the OS does anyway with paging, except worse | 22:19 |
| zaneb | we're not trying to avoid getting data from the DB. we're trying to avoid keeping multiple copies of it in RAM at a time | 22:20 |
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| cwolferh | all right. so some clever sort of db locking is needed when template2 is created that happens to have the same raw_template_files hash as template1, right when template1 gets deleted and decides it is OK to delete that raw_template_files row because nobody else is referencing it | 22:23 |
| cwolferh | just need that and the patch should be functionally in good shape (depending on how much we want to throw in weakref dictionary into the mix) | 22:24 |
| cwolferh | (or some other cache) | 22:25 |
| cwolferh | this might belong better in a comment on the review, but if you we go the weakref dictionary route *and* we want to limit the size of the cache, it'll require more bookkeeping than currently exists. if you don't care about limit the size of the "cache" with weakref dictionary, and you trust the data structure will never get large, we could do away with bookkeeping altogether | 22:27 |
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