| zaneb | the inputs schema specifically | 00:00 |
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| zaneb | but really any of them | 00:00 |
| zaneb | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/api/openstack/v1/software_configs.py#n86 <- API passes them straight through | 00:00 |
| zaneb | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/engine/service_software_config.py#n64 <- engine appears to do the same | 00:01 |
| zaneb | are they validated at some point that they match the schema defined in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/engine/resources/openstack/heat/software_config.py#n65 ? | 00:02 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: you're right, at the API level there is none, and this was less important when only the config resource consumed it | 00:03 |
| zaneb | that makes sense | 00:03 |
| zaneb | should we have some now? | 00:03 |
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| stevebaker | that seems prudent | 00:03 |
| zaneb | ack | 00:04 |
| stevebaker | also there is a bug to parse the outputs based on the type of the output schema, also a good idea | 00:04 |
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| zaneb | would that have backwards compat issues? | 00:05 |
| stevebaker | yeah, potentially. strings becoming dicts would be surprising | 00:06 |
| stevebaker | maybe a new coerce-type property is needed | 00:07 |
| stevebaker | although I | 00:07 |
| stevebaker | 'd be surprised if anyone is specifying an outputs schema, let alone specifying types on them | 00:08 |
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| jamespd | should heat be able to tear down a stack if some resources are missing? | 01:26 |
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| elynn | Morning | 02:02 |
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| stevebaker | jamespd: yes | 02:24 |
| jamespd | stevebaker: perhaps you can give me advice on why I get heat-engine stacktraces? http://paste.openstack.org/show/491520/ | 02:27 |
| jamespd | and 'heat resource-list STACK-ID' reports: | 02:28 |
| jamespd | ERROR: Remote error: NetworkNotFoundClient Network a47820d8-ab42-45a4-801c-90aa65e7da60 could not be found | 02:28 |
| stevebaker | jamespd: ah yes, the neutron dependencies code. I believe there has been fixes for that recently | 02:29 |
| jamespd | so, do I have options in kilo without stack-abandon? | 02:29 |
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| stevebaker | here we go | 02:33 |
| stevebaker | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1554625 | 02:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1554625 in heat "Exceptions when adding implicit dependencies cause stacks to be unloadable" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Zane Bitter (zaneb) | 02:33 |
| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290027/ needs backporting to kilo and liberty | 02:34 |
| stevebaker | jamespd: until that is backported, manually deleting the remaining resources and abandoning the stack may be your only option | 02:37 |
| * jamespd reads. | 02:39 | |
| jamespd | rad; thanks for the help stevebaker. | 02:41 |
| stevebaker | jamespd: np | 02:42 |
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| therve | skraynev, Using private methods from other projects is a no-go: https://review.openstack.org/289424 | 08:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Chuprykov proposed openstack/heat: wip: yaql function https://review.openstack.org/196984 | 17:02 |
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| shardy | Hey all, I started a ML thread looking for help with bug #1559807 | 17:15 |
| openstack | bug 1559807 in heat "Some intrinsic functions fail when referencing get_attr" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559807 - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy) | 17:15 |
| shardy | Unfortunately preview updates are also completely broken for the same reason | 17:15 |
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| Drago1 | shardy: I feel like a schema for attributes may help with validation. It wouldn't completely solve it, but validation could be done with more confidence if get_attr knew the type the attribute was supposed to be and returned a placeholder like STRING_ATTRIBUTE. When resolving nested intrinsic functions, it may be easier for them to validate against that placeholder if the placeholder's implementation allowed for certain checks. For example both a real string and | 18:14 |
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| Drago1 | whereas that check will fail because value_passed_to_intrinsic is None in the case of get_attr nested inside of another intrinsic | 18:15 |
| Drago1 | *fail currently | 18:15 |
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| shardy | Drago1: Yeah, I did think that too, but I think there are too many corner-cases where the dummy value will break just like None does | 18:20 |
| shardy | like nested get_attr's etc where one expects a list of non-zero length so path based indexes work etc | 18:20 |
| Drago1 | shardy: I figure you're right | 18:20 |
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| shardy | I think the validation part can be solved by just not validating values during validation | 18:21 |
| shardy | we already do that for all nested stacks by setting strict_validate to False | 18:21 |
| shardy | but we inconsistently left that as True for parent stacks | 18:21 |
| shardy | the downside of that is our validation becomes somewhat less strict in some cases, so you might fail slower if e.g a wrong parameter type is mapped to a resource via get_param | 18:22 |
| shardy | That may be an OK compromise tho | 18:22 |
| shardy | the preview case is harder | 18:22 |
| shardy | I'm not yet sure how we solve that at all | 18:23 |
| shardy | Drago1: thanks for the ideas tho :) | 18:23 |
| Drago1 | It's probably too late now, but it kind of feels like HOT's declarative nature conflicts with being able to do things like nested get_attr, because the value that it would eventually resolve to can honestly be anything due to the logic inside of resources | 18:24 |
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| shardy | Drago1: I'm not sure that's true - we always intended to split structural/syntax validation from runtime value validation | 18:25 |
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| shardy | only, we didn't get it right, evidently ;) | 18:25 |
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| Drago1 | shardy: except runtime values have the ability to affect structure | 18:26 |
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| shardy | Drago1: They don't (although I was aiming for something closer to that via my proposed abuse of Repeat in bug #1546684) | 18:28 |
| openstack | bug 1546684 in heat "repeat can't reference attributes/parameters" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546684 - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy) | 18:28 |
| shardy | Drago1: we parse the template into distinct objects, including one for every function regardless of the nesting | 18:28 |
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| shardy | But, I guess I see what you mean, we've conflated validating the schema those objects can parse with the values they generate | 18:29 |
| shardy | which is my main problem ;) | 18:29 |
| shardy | Drago1: Many intrinsic functions can validate just fine when they see a Function.Function (unresolved), the problem starts when you try to validate the (resolved) value before anything is actually created | 18:30 |
| Drago1 | shardy: That makes sense, and like you said, that's structure vs runtime values | 18:33 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resource.py#L1333 | 18:34 |
| shardy | I think we can fix that part just by saying False there | 18:34 |
| shardy | because with_value=True should probably always be reserved for runtime validation | 18:34 |
| shardy | but that still doesn't resolve how we handle the property comparison for update previews | 18:34 |
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| Drago1 | shardy: use_existing? :) | 18:37 |
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| Drago1 | shardy: I guess that may not be quite right because I really mean use existing heat resources, not physical ones, but the idea is that for resources that you can already tell have no diff in the template, just the ones that are in the existing stack | 18:39 |
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| shardy | Yeah the problem is the temporary "new" stack we make in ram to compare with the existing one | 18:39 |
| shardy | the resources in that don't actually exist | 18:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Use region from config in functional tests https://review.openstack.org/296206 | 18:47 |
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| skraynev_ | good evening | 19:57 |
| skraynev_ | meeting time | 20:00 |
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| shardy_ | zaneb: Hey thanks for the ML response | 20:34 |
| zaneb | shardy_: np, I'm looking at your RG thing now too | 20:35 |
| shardy_ | I think we can probably work around the validation part, but I'm still struggling with how we can ever make preview results accurate for update | 20:35 |
| shardy_ | because we have to compare property values to derive if a resource will be replaced | 20:35 |
| shardy_ | (or even updated) | 20:36 |
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| zaneb | so I don't think the current approach will work for that | 20:37 |
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| zaneb | what you'd need to do is take each resource in the context of the stack (rather than looking at all of the resources outside of the context of a stack) | 20:37 |
| jreeves | skraynev: isn't it like 1:30 am for you? | 20:38 |
| zaneb | and for each one say: this is replaced, this is updated and may be replaced, this is unchanged | 20:38 |
| zaneb | or this *may* be updated and/or replaced | 20:39 |
| zaneb | and pass the results down through the graph as you go | 20:39 |
| zaneb | so the results will get progressively more uncertain as you travel down | 20:39 |
| shardy_ | zaneb: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, even if you copy the current stack and substitute resources, basically you can't accurately derive anything below a replacement (or even update) | 20:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed openstack/heat: Add lbaas v2 scenario test https://review.openstack.org/237608 | 20:41 |
| zaneb | shardy_: yeah. but there's some stuff you can say | 20:41 |
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| zaneb | you can quite often say when a resource will be replaced for sure | 20:41 |
| zaneb | and you can sometimes say when a resource will be unchanged for sure | 20:42 |
| shardy_ | Yeah, but if you say a resource will be updated, you have no way to ever know what will happen to anything it depends on | 20:43 |
| shardy_ | So I'm not sure what value the preview really provides | 20:43 |
| shardy_ | I suppose we can fix it up somewhat so it's a rough guide of what might happen | 20:43 |
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| shardy_ | With the benefit of hindsight I guess it's pretty obvious, but I missed this when working on enabling the update preview stuff | 20:45 |
| zaneb | shardy: I think my review of patch set 3 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122473/ actually says it all :D | 20:45 |
| shardy_ | Yeah, I made the mistake of assuming what we had actually worked, and just made it recurse | 20:46 |
| shardy_ | Anyway, dropping off now but thanks for the feedback, will give it some more thought :) | 20:47 |
| zaneb | right after that review was when I stopped having time to do reviews :( | 20:48 |
| jamespd | Can someone explain what 'critical data, returned only after commencing a destructive delete..' means, in the context of stack-abandon? | 20:49 |
| jamespd | i.e. what is the critical data? | 20:49 |
| shardy_ | jamespd: the entire definition of the thing you're about to delete | 20:50 |
| shardy_ | all the resource IDs, stored data associated with resources etc | 20:50 |
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| jamespd | right; thanks. | 20:51 |
| shardy_ | the issue is if you for any reason fail to get that data, you've orphaned a bunch of resources with no way to recover | 20:52 |
| jamespd | cool. I didn't realize that people expected to be able to recover after an abandon. | 20:52 |
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| shardy_ | jamespd: that was kind of the point, you can abandon, keep the data, then do a stack-adopt to reinstate the resources under the control of heat | 20:53 |
| shardy_ | only in practice there were a bunch of bugs which didn't all get fixed | 20:53 |
| * jamespd nods. | 20:53 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Don't create an "update task" inside a try block https://review.openstack.org/296798 | 21:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Handling concurrent transactions in metadata_set method https://review.openstack.org/292268 | 21:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Fix race condition for WaitCondition with several signals https://review.openstack.org/232124 | 21:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Replace SD RPC polling by long RPC call https://review.openstack.org/281220 | 23:00 |
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