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| zaneb | stevebaker, randallburt: thanks! | 00:12 |
| randallburt | zaneb: np | 00:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Sahara resources and tests https://review.openstack.org/246165 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Nova resources and tests https://review.openstack.org/246164 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Zaqar and tests https://review.openstack.org/246167 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Trove resources and tests https://review.openstack.org/246166 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Heat resources and tests https://review.openstack.org/246178 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Ceilometer resources and tests https://review.openstack.org/246176 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Barbican tests https://review.openstack.org/246177 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Keystone tests https://review.openstack.org/246173 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Magnum tests https://review.openstack.org/246172 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Cinder resources and tests https://review.openstack.org/246175 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Glance resources and tests https://review.openstack.org/246174 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Neutron tests https://review.openstack.org/246169 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Swift tests https://review.openstack.org/246168 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Manila tests https://review.openstack.org/246171 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: Change namespace for Mistral tests https://review.openstack.org/246170 | 00:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Register correct nova.host constraint https://review.openstack.org/246454 | 01:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Reset stack status even when lock engine_id is None https://review.openstack.org/243358 | 01:37 |
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| ramishra | morning all | 02:19 |
| ricolin | morning! | 02:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Add subnetpool property to subnet resource https://review.openstack.org/246188 | 03:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Add SubnetPool neutron Resource https://review.openstack.org/246187 | 03:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Ensure that stacks can't get stuck IN_PROGRESS https://review.openstack.org/244982 | 04:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Adds OS::Keystone::Region resource plug-in https://review.openstack.org/242013 | 04:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Adds keystone.region constraint https://review.openstack.org/242012 | 04:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Correct the spelling for the word constraint https://review.openstack.org/246740 | 04:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat-templates: Template for Nova host aggregate https://review.openstack.org/246759 | 06:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Move kombu as a test dependency only https://review.openstack.org/245203 | 08:14 |
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| kodokuu | Hi all. I have a little issue with heat and cloud-init. When I create instance with nova, cloud-init add ssh_key on user define with cloud.cfg. But If I deploy with with same image, the sshkey is deploy on ec2_user.... Why diff with nova or launch with heat ?? | 08:42 |
| kodokuu | And I use OS::Nova::Server for type ! | 08:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Fix ResetStateOnErrorTest.test_success https://review.openstack.org/246797 | 08:42 |
| therve | ^^ this fixes the current gate failure, please review | 08:43 |
| kodokuu | If I deploy with HEAT with sameimage *** | 08:43 |
| therve | kodokuu, Your heat is deployed with instance-user set to ec2-user, I'd presume | 08:45 |
| therve | You should change your configuration to set instance-user to '' | 08:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Fix ResetStateOnErrorTest.test_success https://review.openstack.org/246797 | 08:46 |
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| kodokuu | therve thx. But I can see This option is deprecated and will be removed in the Juno release | 08:48 |
| kodokuu | And I use kilo | 08:48 |
| kodokuu | http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/ch_configuring-openstack-orchestration.html | 08:48 |
| therve | kodokuu, it hasn't been, though | 08:48 |
| therve | It may have been removed in liberty | 08:48 |
| kodokuu | ok ok^^ | 08:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Di XiaoLi proposed openstack/python-heatclient: OpenStack typo https://review.openstack.org/245554 | 09:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Adds 5 backport db migration place holder for liberty https://review.openstack.org/241187 | 09:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Adds keystone.region constraint https://review.openstack.org/242012 | 09:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Adds OS::Keystone::Region resource plug-in https://review.openstack.org/242013 | 09:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Updates keystone region constraints for endpoint https://review.openstack.org/242014 | 09:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat: add get_file in HOT templates from global environment https://review.openstack.org/209439 | 10:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/heat-specs: Deprecate local environment file under etc https://review.openstack.org/241516 | 10:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Adds ignore_errors for template_validate in engine https://review.openstack.org/246869 | 11:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Adds ignore_errors for template_validate API https://review.openstack.org/246870 | 11:19 |
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| KanagarajM_ | skraynev, ramishra: hi, i have rebased the https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/heat-keystone-region-resource,n,z could you please review them once again, when you find time. thanks. | 11:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-heatclient: OpenStack typo https://review.openstack.org/245554 | 11:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Adds 5 backport db migration place holder for liberty https://review.openstack.org/241187 | 12:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed openstack/heat: Convergence: Load resource stack with correct template https://review.openstack.org/241598 | 12:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Add tests for pre-create hooks https://review.openstack.org/243508 | 13:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Use attribute instead of passing parameter https://review.openstack.org/246823 | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Dobies proposed openstack/heat: Hook into environment merging on server https://review.openstack.org/241662 | 15:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/heat: Implement pre-delete hook https://review.openstack.org/246991 | 15:40 |
| pratikma_ | stevebaker: hey | 15:41 |
| therve | pratikma_, Bed time in NZ | 15:41 |
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| pratikma_ | whoops. thanks therve | 15:41 |
| therve | Np | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Jay Dobies proposed openstack/heat-specs: Added resource chains spec https://review.openstack.org/228615 | 15:43 |
| jdob | shardy: when you get a second, can you look at my question to you in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228615/ ? | 15:44 |
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| jdob | no rush since i need a half day pto later today, so sometime your-time tomorrow is fine | 15:44 |
| jdob | just wanted to call out that I had a question for you | 15:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: [WIP] Add basic get_reality implementation https://review.openstack.org/244065 | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: [WIP] Add get_reality implementation for Server https://review.openstack.org/244066 | 15:45 |
| shardy | jdob: Hey, thanks for the update | 15:46 |
| shardy | jdob: I'm fine with you leaving it out, all I'm saying is it probably won't be usable by TripleO if you do | 15:46 |
| jdob | the templates -> resources change makes complete sense | 15:46 |
| jdob | oh oh, you mean the chains feature won't be usable? | 15:46 |
| shardy | e.g we can't allow a bunch of ExtraConfig stuff to happen in a completely unpredictable order | 15:46 |
| jdob | i misread, I thought you meant they won't use the deps if it's there | 15:46 |
| shardy | folks will want to (at least optionally) serialize them, so it's repeatable | 15:47 |
| shardy | and you can e.g layer one Extra thing which depends on another one | 15:47 |
| jdob | that's true, and that'll be controllable at the env layer | 15:47 |
| shardy | jdob: How? | 15:47 |
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| jdob | its in the ordering of the list of templates specified | 15:48 |
| jdob | so we can tell people to take care in setting that property and not have them dork with the templates | 15:48 |
| shardy | jdob: OK, in that case I misunderstood, I didn't realize you were saying serialize-always | 15:48 |
| jdob | no no, sorry, I'm not explaining right | 15:48 |
| jdob | the way I think we'd implement that | 15:49 |
| jdob | is to add a property to ResourceChain | 15:49 |
| jdob | serialized: <bool> | 15:49 |
| shardy | yup, that's what I'm asking for :) | 15:49 |
| jdob | if its true, we take the list of resources and implicitly apply the depends-on | 15:49 |
| shardy | +1 | 15:49 |
| jdob | if it's false (or empty), we treat them as a group | 15:49 |
| jdob | which (correct me if I'm wrong) means concurrent creation | 15:49 |
| jdob | and thus non-determinstic | 15:49 |
| shardy | Yeah, and the existing ResourceGroup means no serialziation | 15:49 |
| shardy | exactly | 15:50 |
| jdob | ok, gotcha, I'm following | 15:50 |
| jdob | i'll add it to the spec, you're right that it'll make debugging tripleo a nightmare | 15:50 |
| shardy | so you may very well get a differerent ordering every time you run it | 15:50 |
| jdob | if we toss in 6 partner integrations and let them fight it out | 15:50 |
| shardy | in some cases, users don't care, but for TripleO I think we do | 15:50 |
| shardy | heh | 15:50 |
| shardy | "it works 1 in 6 times" :D | 15:50 |
| jdob | though that'd be a fun FAQ entry to write | 15:50 |
| jdob | "Um... try it again and hope for the best." | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Add 'enabled' property for keystone service https://review.openstack.org/235056 | 15:52 |
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| jdob | shardy: feelings on the default for serialized? I was initially thinking of false for the speed benefit, but the term "chain" to me implies serialized by default | 15:55 |
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| shardy | jdob: Yeah, I was thinking serialized by default too, due to the name | 15:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Change namespace for Nova resources and tests https://review.openstack.org/246164 | 15:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Change namespace for Sahara resources and tests https://review.openstack.org/246165 | 15:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Change namespace for Trove resources and tests https://review.openstack.org/246166 | 15:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Change namespace for Zaqar and tests https://review.openstack.org/246167 | 15:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Change namespace for Swift tests https://review.openstack.org/246168 | 15:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Dobies proposed openstack/heat-specs: Added resource chains spec https://review.openstack.org/228615 | 15:58 |
| pratikma_ | shardy: I updated the bug report for the patch in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246481/. After looking at the objections, I'm not too keen on merging it, but I'm glad that we're targeting an event format that makes more sense for next api release | 16:02 |
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| shardy | pratikmallya: Thanks, I'll reply to the bug later | 16:06 |
| shardy | I can imagine in future we may have some way to subcategorize events, so we could distinguish between a state transition and a signal, while still including the current resource state | 16:06 |
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| pratikmallya | shardy: that's exactly what I was looking for | 16:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pratik Mallya proposed openstack/heat-specs: Add spec for adding resource notifications https://review.openstack.org/244830 | 16:23 |
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| jdandrea | Reality check: Is this patch still relevant as of mitaka (for devstack as it relates to heat)? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205564/ | 16:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pratik Mallya proposed openstack/heat: Add Resource Notifications to Heat https://review.openstack.org/246556 | 17:35 |
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| pratikmallya | should an event be raised https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resource.py#L1657 indicating failure of signal? | 17:43 |
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| manishg | shardy: thanks for the response re resource_def and inline templates. somehow missed the note earlier. | 18:24 |
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| shardy | manishg: np | 18:27 |
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| stevebaker | morning | 19:04 |
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| skraynev_ | good evening ;) | 19:59 |
| jdandrea | ohai :) | 20:00 |
| skraynev_ | meeting time | 20:00 |
| skraynev_ | jdandrea: hi ;) | 20:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat-templates: fix OpenStack typo https://review.openstack.org/246820 | 20:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/247110 | 20:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/247110 | 20:46 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/247151 | 20:51 |
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| skraynev_ | g'night all | 21:00 |
| jdandrea | g'night! | 21:01 |
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| jdandrea | Other than the bare bones one in heat, none that I'm aware of ... but my project was just approved for open source (yay!) so that will be arriving soon. I'm currently wrangling permission to add it to the big tent vs. our own github repo. Seems silly to lose out on all the CI/CD/tent-y goodness. | 21:06 |
| jdandrea | I can also post a minimal example to pastebin. | 21:06 |
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| jdandrea | Related links: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-lifecycle-plugpoint and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89363/ | 21:08 |
| jdandrea | Structure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89363/22/heat/engine/lifecycle_plugin.py,unified | 21:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bryan Jones proposed openstack/python-heatclient: OpenstackClient plugin for stack create https://review.openstack.org/242238 | 21:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/247110 | 21:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Bryan Jones proposed openstack/python-heatclient: OpenstackClient plugin for stack create https://review.openstack.org/242238 | 21:24 |
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| jdandrea | stevebaker: Essentially I'm using the do_pre_op() part of a lifecycle plugin. I wrote it out more descriptively here, as there isn't much to it in this section. http://paste.openstack.org/show/479344/ | 21:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat-specs: Add a spec for addition of a DISABLED SupportStatus https://review.openstack.org/241007 | 21:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bryan Jones proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Fix error when listing stacks https://review.openstack.org/247196 | 21:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pratik Mallya proposed openstack/heat: Add Resource Notifications to Heat https://review.openstack.org/246556 | 21:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pratik Mallya proposed openstack/heat-specs: Add spec for adding resource notifications https://review.openstack.org/244830 | 21:53 |
| stevebaker | jdandrea: oh, so you need existing resources like OS::Nova::Server to assign uuids early? yeah, thats never going to happen ;) | 21:54 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: No, not that. | 21:54 |
| jdandrea | nova, cinder assign physical ids as they always do. That doesn't change. | 21:54 |
| stevebaker | ok | 21:54 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: However ... | 21:54 |
| jdandrea | When heat persists resources to the database, a uuid is assigned to each. I like to think of this as an orchestration uuid, specific to heat in this case, assigned in advance of any physical id. | 21:55 |
| jdandrea | so there's physical and orchestration IDs, basically. | 21:55 |
| stevebaker | ah, Resource.uuid | 21:56 |
| jdandrea | That's the one! | 21:56 |
| jdandrea | :) | 21:56 |
| jdandrea | These orchestration IDs are perfect for keying resources that I want to schedule in advance, and in consideration of the entire stack, something Heat is uniquely qualified to provide info for. | 21:56 |
| stevebaker | sure | 21:57 |
| jdandrea | cinder/nova scheduler filters will also know of these UUIDs because of the heat stack lifecycle scheduler hints, so the filter will be able to easily look up the assignment downstream. | 21:57 |
| jdandrea | If the hint isn't there, we can still handle it on-the-fly. | 21:58 |
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| jdandrea | So I ran into trouble when I started looking at nested stacks. :( | 21:58 |
| jdandrea | Then I started wondering: "Hmm, is there a way to get all of those UUIDs assigned in one swell foop?" But Resources don't get their UUID assigned until they're persisted. | 21:58 |
| jdandrea | Yet when I preview the stack, I see the nested stacks, and that's perfect. If only the nested ones had their UUIDs too. | 21:59 |
| jdandrea | So I'm pondering it. | 21:59 |
| jdandrea | I could also look at other items like the path, resource name, and so on ... but ... *shudder* | 22:00 |
| jdandrea | UUIDs are so neat and tidy. | 22:00 |
| jdandrea | Plus: Convergence! | 22:00 |
| jdandrea | (uses 'em) | 22:00 |
| jdandrea | Why reinvent the wheel? | 22:00 |
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| stevebaker | ok, so conceivably preview_resources could return resources which have an assigned uuid, then when creation happens there is some override mechanism to force the new resource to use that uuid instead of the db created one. The latter would need quite some changes to the RPC API though | 22:02 |
| stevebaker | that would definitely be a spec requiring change | 22:03 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: Yes. That's what I was wondering about, how to do that with minimal entropy. | 22:04 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: Although ... | 22:05 |
| stevebaker | maybe this would be better as a convergence only thing | 22:05 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: Maybe. | 22:05 |
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| jdandrea | stevebaker: I wouldn't want to override the db created one and go against that though. At one point I was thinking ... | 22:05 |
| jdandrea | What if we could persist the entire set of stacks early, not just the root or one at a time (because preview can get at it all already, no?), but mark those nested stacks as being queued, held in escrow, what have you. (Maybe that doesn't make sense. Thinking out loud though.) | 22:07 |
| jdandrea | Then the DB remains the source of truth. | 22:07 |
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| jdandrea | Everything else should continue to work as before. Accent on should, meaning the intent would be to not break anything by having that info in the DB earlier. | 22:08 |
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| stevebaker | hmm, like formalising INIT as a real stack state which happens before CREATE. That is an interesting idea | 22:09 |
| jdandrea | THAT's the word I was missing, INIT. :) | 22:09 |
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| jdandrea | Right. It's a new state, and then everything's there, the database has info early on. | 22:10 |
| jdandrea | But it's not ephemeral. | 22:10 |
| jdandrea | Now we really have it! | 22:11 |
| stevebaker | thats a thing which exists internally to a stack, but it doesn't cross into nested stacks. *maybe* it could | 22:11 |
| jdandrea | *nod* | 22:11 |
| jdandrea | That's what I was trying to draw a bead on, given my (always-emerging) knowledge of how heat works in this regard. | 22:11 |
| stevebaker | I'm sure there are many rage triggers for zaneb in what we're discussing ;) | 22:12 |
| jdandrea | And gauging how trivial or non-trivial it would be, and then taking ownership of it. | 22:12 |
| jdandrea | Ahh. Duly noted. :) | 22:12 |
| zaneb | dare I read scrollback? | 22:12 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: Do it. DO IT. | 22:12 |
| zaneb | ISTR I said ages ago that we should formalise INIT as a real stack state that happened before CREATE, because it makes sense for convergence | 22:13 |
| jdandrea | Again, it's possible there's a far simpler way to tackle this. | 22:13 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: :D | 22:13 |
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| jdandrea | zaneb: This is what I'm floundering around with right now. The closest thing I have to an INIT state is that stack preview. | 22:14 |
| jdandrea | But INIT would be awesome. | 22:14 |
| zaneb | "<jdandrea> I can also post a minimal example to pastebin." <- please don't unless it has a (OSS) license attached | 22:15 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: Noted, thx. I posted something but it's so trivial there's a whopping two lines just to show where I'm getting the preview. I can repost with OSS if that would be appropriate. | 22:16 |
| jdandrea | Meaning, all of the scheduling code isn't in there. It's "call stack preview _here_." :) | 22:16 |
| zaneb | "<stevebaker> ok, so conceivably preview_resources could return resources which have an assigned uuid, then when creation happens there is some override mechanism to force the new resource to use that uuid instead of the db created one." -2 | 22:17 |
| stevebaker | yes, terrible idea | 22:17 |
| jdandrea | Right. I don't want to do that anyway (IMHO) | 22:17 |
| jdandrea | Good to surface that though. We know that won't fly. | 22:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bryan Jones proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Add --dry-run option to openstack stack create https://review.openstack.org/244285 | 22:19 |
| zaneb | jdandrea: ok, that's fine. jsut want to avoid the "my project is going to be open source soon, here take a look!" phenomenon. all kinds of liability issues best avoided :) | 22:19 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: Oohhhh, yes, agreed 100%. | 22:19 |
| jdandrea | We won't go there. :) | 22:19 |
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| zaneb | not hating the store-before-create idea | 22:19 |
| zaneb | in fact we effectively do that anyway, especially in convergence | 22:20 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: Oh? Oh! | 22:20 |
| jdandrea | Meaning UUIDs then exist for the whole stack + nested stuffs? | 22:20 |
| jdandrea | But that's not an INIT state, right? | 22:21 |
| zaneb | I mean, we store it (but with the state CREATE_IN_PROGRESS) and then store all the resources (with UUIDs) before we start creating the resources | 22:21 |
| zaneb | no particular reason those couldn't be separate steps | 22:21 |
| jdandrea | Maybe I'm engaging things at the wrong time in the stack lifecycle plugin. | 22:21 |
| jdandrea | I look to see if the action is CREATE and the stack.status is IN_PROGRESS. | 22:22 |
| zaneb | jdandrea: I'm not saying they're separate phases now, I'm saying they could become separate phases with minimal changes to the code | 22:22 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: Ah, got it. | 22:22 |
| jdandrea | If I understood what kinds of changes to make, I'd certainly give it a try. | 22:23 |
| zaneb | I do wonder why the UUID is critical to your use case though | 22:23 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: Sure. | 22:23 |
| zaneb | you know that the UUID will change if a resource gets replaced, right? | 22:23 |
| zaneb | is that what you want? | 22:23 |
| zaneb | because otherwise it would make more sense to do something based on resource names | 22:24 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: Yes, that's desirable because it's effectively new. | 22:24 |
| zaneb | ok, I think if that's your use case then it makes sense | 22:24 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: With resource names, they aren't guaranteed unique, and then I have to key off paths, names,. | 22:24 |
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| jdandrea | UUIDs are so nice and tidy. | 22:25 |
| jdandrea | Plus, if Heat's already creating them, why generate new ones, right? | 22:25 |
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| jdandrea | Thus the allure. | 22:25 |
| jdandrea | ... and of course I can't use physical IDs since they don't yet exist (nor could I since we are planning things out before stuff gets instantiated). | 22:26 |
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