| stevebaker | horizon can prompt for environments to invoke, then may prompt for more parameters based on those environment decisions | 00:00 |
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| stevebaker | absolutely environments should be in the app catalog | 00:00 |
| kfox1111 | so I guess part of it is, in the catalog, does an environment + heat template constitute a new app, | 00:00 |
| kfox1111 | or is it just one app, and the set of env's is a choise to prompt the user intially... | 00:00 |
| stevebaker | I would say the latter | 00:01 |
| kfox1111 | so the ui for that could be tricky and may need a fair amount of metadata. | 00:02 |
| kfox1111 | this env works or needs that other one... | 00:02 |
| kfox1111 | or some kind of, "if your cloud provides X, load this env. If y, this other. If none, this app won't work at all for you. | 00:02 |
| kfox1111 | and the resource_registry is part of the environment files? | 00:03 |
| kfox1111 | (still reading through the spec) | 00:04 |
| stevebaker | yep, all that. In the short term it could just be documentation with the app, but eventually there could be a way of whittling environment choices by introspection of the host cloud | 00:04 |
| kfox1111 | I'm hoping the eventually part includes clouds becoming more like each other through standardization, but... well, you know. :) | 00:05 |
| kfox1111 | Ok. I'll mull this over for a while. its an interesting solution to some of the problems I've run into. | 00:06 |
| stevebaker | yeah, this is the world we live in ;) | 00:06 |
| kfox1111 | it does give me an excuse to look further into hot instead of cfn too. | 00:07 |
| kfox1111 | stevebaker: have you run across the nova instance user spec yet? | 00:08 |
| kfox1111 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186617 if you get a few minutes of free time. | 00:08 |
| kfox1111 | I guess one other question related to environment management is, does it really kind of belong to the app catalog or heat? if the heat tempate writer is providing them, should heat inventory them itself somehow? since it may provide some of the logic of which work with each other? | 00:10 |
| stevebaker | kfox1111: has that been aligned with the keystone dynamic policy stuff? I suspect they're attempting to solve similar issues | 00:10 |
| kfox1111 | it should work with the dynamic policy stuff. I think they are orthoganal. | 00:11 |
| kfox1111 | ayoung has had a look at it for sure. | 00:11 |
| stevebaker | ok, just checking | 00:11 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. I'm really looking forward to dynamic policy too. | 00:12 |
| kfox1111 | its practically impossible to create a nagios user to monitor things without giving it the keys to the world. :/ | 00:12 |
| kfox1111 | I'm hoping this instance user spec will really help enable templates to be written where secrets aren't passed through heat paramaters, and to allow heat to use zaqar easily for software deployments. | 00:13 |
| kfox1111 | so long term, no more polling. | 00:13 |
| stevebaker | yeah, that sounds good | 00:14 |
| kfox1111 | do you know who's in charge of the heat horizon ui? | 00:16 |
| kfox1111 | if we go with env's in the app catalog, we would need to support passing multiples to the horizon ui in the Liberty timeframe. | 00:16 |
| kfox1111 | or we could generate a single env file that includes the rest. if that feature could be landed in Liberty time frame. | 00:16 |
| stevebaker | I'm not sure anyone is specifically, I'd just raise it as a general horizon issue and see what happens | 00:17 |
| kfox1111 | ok. cool. thanks. :) | 00:17 |
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| kfox1111 | we've got an app catalog meeting thursday. I'll bring up the env thing. | 00:19 |
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| kfox1111 | so.... with the spec you referenced, | 00:23 |
| asalkeld | cringe, not sure i like it | 00:23 |
| kfox1111 | youd have one environment and potentially in the UI, you would be given choices on which sets of things you could choose? | 00:24 |
| stevebaker | kfox1111: thanks, proper env support would have been there from the start if early app-catalog development had been more open ;) | 00:24 |
| kfox1111 | agreed. I wasn't involved in it early on either. :/ | 00:24 |
| kfox1111 | didn't know it existed before the summit. | 00:24 |
| kfox1111 | asalkeld: which thing are you not sure you like? | 00:25 |
| asalkeld | resource-type-mapping | 00:25 |
| * kfox1111 nods | 00:25 | |
| kfox1111 | still reading... | 00:26 |
| kfox1111 | I think the gut reaction is, its flexable which is cool, but it may be hard for the user to not be a developer to use it. | 00:26 |
| kfox1111 | which may work ok for services that wrap around heat, like tripleo or sahara. | 00:26 |
| asalkeld | kfox1111: the resource_registry part is for people that have complex templates | 00:27 |
| kfox1111 | but may not work so well for the app catalog, that is just hading the template/env over to heat. | 00:27 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. I have a lot of complex templates I need to write/launch. :/ | 00:27 |
| kfox1111 | I wrote sharded elasticsearch/mongodb ones with cfn. that was somewhat unplesent... :/ | 00:28 |
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| kfox1111 | other question. say you launch a template with a ResourceGroup of 100 subtemplates. What happens if 90 come up ok and the other 10 error? Can you just get it to retry the remaining 10, or do you have to start at something managable, and start increasing the number a few at a time? | 00:29 |
| asalkeld | kfox1111: we are working on that | 00:30 |
| asalkeld | sahara has that exact problem | 00:30 |
| kfox1111 | I know thats part of convergience, but am curious what's possible in junoish. | 00:30 |
| kfox1111 | I've been just using a for loop to launch instance templates to work around that. | 00:30 |
| kfox1111 | but wonder, now that you can recover a template from error state, how does that play with ResourceGroups. | 00:31 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183506/ | 00:31 |
| asalkeld | i think currently it will just fail | 00:31 |
| kfox1111 | ah. cool. thanks. | 00:31 |
| kfox1111 | the whole resource group? | 00:31 |
| kfox1111 | so if it fails, does it delete the working ones? | 00:31 |
| asalkeld | i think, but not tested (just turn off rollback) | 00:32 |
| asalkeld | and do an update | 00:32 |
| kfox1111 | ok. I'll try and test that eventually. for now I'll just do another for loop since I know it works today. | 00:32 |
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| kfox1111 | gotta head out. thanks. :) | 00:33 |
| asalkeld | later | 00:33 |
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| ananta_ | stevebaker: I have added the convergence patches under review in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 02:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed openstack/heat: Convergence: Delete the resources from DB when delete is called https://review.openstack.org/195387 | 03:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed openstack/heat: Convergence: More fixes https://review.openstack.org/194266 | 03:02 |
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| asalkeld | there are just too many specs to review | 04:32 |
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| skraynev | Good morning all ! | 07:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Update logging according oslo.i18n recommendations https://review.openstack.org/195129 | 07:18 |
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| gpaz | If someone can answer this : is this necessary to use Keystone v3 for using the following Heat resources OS::Heat::WaitCondition & OS::Heat::SoftwareDeployment ? | 08:57 |
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| pas-ha | gpaz, it is necessary if you want them to be available for non-admin users | 09:04 |
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| pas-ha | since for non-admin users to use them, they have to be able to create users in Keystone, and that is possible only via heat domain in Keystone and trusts, which are available only via Keystone V3 | 09:05 |
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| gpaz | pas-ha, thanks for your response | 09:24 |
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| shardy | gpaz: context http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/heat-auth-model-updates-part-2-stack.html | 09:30 |
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| gpaz | shardy, thanks Steve | 09:40 |
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| kfox1111 | stevebaker: been thinking about it some more. the app catalog is going to need to spend a lot of effort plugging in the catalog entries into the various ui's for installing/launching. | 15:37 |
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| kfox1111 | I'm thinking, for the most part, the catalog should just hand over the template/environment data, and its up to the heat ui to let the user choose how to customize if multiple environment options are available? | 15:37 |
| kfox1111 | otherwise, it seems like the generic app catalog starts implementing features of heat. | 15:39 |
| jdandrea | Reality check: %index% (from ResourceGroup) is usable within a ResourceGroup's properties, but *not* within any intrinsics contained in those properties, yes? (Also checking source.) | 15:39 |
| kfox1111 | the resource-type-mapping thing seems to be a piece of the solution. since it seems like that allows one environment to be provided with all the options built in? | 15:40 |
| kfox1111 | jdandrea: I don't know the answer, but am curious to know too. | 15:41 |
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| jdandrea | If I'm reading the source properly, %index% (the default, can be renamed) is used within ResourceGroup properties, but it looks as though intrinsics aren't in scope. https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resources/openstack/heat/resource_group.py | 15:42 |
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| jdandrea | Perhaps intrinsics are parsed before ResourceGroup has a chance to take a swing at the property replacement? | 15:44 |
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| kfox1111 | jdandrea, could try str_replace the % in the '%index%' and see what you get. | 16:02 |
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| randallburt | jdandrea: you are right. the intrinsics are evaluated prior to the %index% replacement so using it inside the intrinsic will break. | 16:03 |
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| jdandrea | randallburt: Ok. I have a use case where it would be extremely handy to have that substitution happen before intrinsics are evaluated. I'm willing to file a bug against it and assign myself to investigate. (Not sure how easy/tricky that would be.) | 16:04 |
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| jdandrea | kfox1111: Thanks! Sounds like it may not work though, at least not at the moment. ^^ | 16:05 |
| randallburt | jdandrea: you can give it a shot. IIRC a colleague and I looked into it before and its very tricky if possible at all. | 16:05 |
| randallburt | Drago1: ^^ | 16:05 |
| jdandrea | randallburt: Roger that. :) | 16:05 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. I'd think it wouldn't work either. | 16:05 |
| kfox1111 | you could probably just do a nested stack, and pass the index as a param. | 16:06 |
| kfox1111 | it should resolve then. | 16:06 |
| Drago1 | Yeah, that's the best workaround I've found | 16:06 |
| kfox1111 | then intrinsics in the nested stack shoudl work. | 16:06 |
| jdandrea | kfox1111: "It sounds so crazy it just might work." :D | 16:06 |
| kfox1111 | :) | 16:06 |
| jdandrea | Ok. I'm going to file something and assign myself. | 16:07 |
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| therve | People keep steeling my patch :/ | 16:35 |
| therve | stealing even | 16:35 |
| kfox1111 | thats not cool. | 16:37 |
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| randallburt | therve: sorry about that. I didn't realize the rebase would change the ownership | 16:47 |
| randallburt | therve: was trying to be helpful, honest! :D | 16:47 |
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| therve | randallburt, No worries :) | 16:50 |
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| jdandrea | Naive question: Is it possible to somehow orchestrate the OVS plugin in Neutron through a Neutron Heat Resource? (I'm flying blind here on this one.) | 17:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: Remove (test-)requirements-py3.txt files https://review.openstack.org/196511 | 18:20 |
| sirushti | That might fix the currently broken Heat requirements gate^ | 18:22 |
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| jdandrea | Can intrinsics be nested? | 19:06 |
| jdandrea | Asking due to this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/332927/ | 19:06 |
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| zaneb | jdandrea: yeah, they can | 19:14 |
| jdandrea | Whew. Thanks zaneb :) | 19:14 |
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| pratikmallya | Hello, could some core reviewers please look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195018/? | 19:24 |
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| stevebaker | morning | 19:58 |
| pas-ha | meeting in 2? | 19:58 |
| pas-ha | and good morning :) | 19:59 |
| stevebaker | yup | 19:59 |
| stevebaker | meeting time | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: do we link to that? | 21:00 |
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| skraynev_ | g'night all | 21:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hongbin Lu proposed openstack/heat: Fix TypeError on joining list parameters https://review.openstack.org/193842 | 22:06 |
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| kfox1111 | stevebaker: alive? | 22:28 |
| stevebaker | kfox1111: hi | 22:28 |
| kfox1111 | hey. been thinking about the env thing some more. | 22:28 |
| kfox1111 | with the resource mapping thing, it almost seems like there should be just one env file by default, with all the possibilites inside? | 22:29 |
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| stevebaker | we allow one or more env, but one should suit most purposes | 22:31 |
| kfox1111 | it looks like heat itself will know which combinations will be allowed so it probably should be the project providing the ui to select from between the options? | 22:31 |
| kfox1111 | if thats the case, the app catalog would only need to be extended to provide one env file. the heat ui could allow the user to provide others, and then select between the possibilities. | 22:33 |
| stevebaker | yes. eventually heat will eventually know which combinations are allowed | 22:33 |
| stevebaker | one env file is probably all the app catalog needs. The blueprint to allow one env file to include others is purely a heatclient change, so it shouldn't actually be that much work | 22:34 |
| kfox1111 | k. then we'll not put in a bunch of logic related to environments since heat does seem like it will know how to better handle that logic. | 22:36 |
| kfox1111 | I don't think we have much developer time at all yet but I'll stear people towards helping add the features to heat directly. | 22:37 |
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| stevebaker | yeah, definitely | 22:42 |
| kfox1111 | did I remember seeing a review about conditional resource loading? ie, supporting a resource only if the cloud provides it? | 22:46 |
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| kfox1111 | ah. here we go... https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/keystone-based-resource-availability | 22:49 |
| kfox1111 | would it be possible to make the environment include support conditionally including only if a resource type is available? | 22:50 |
| kfox1111 | :) | 22:50 |
| kfox1111 | so a very rough form of automatically selecting neutron vs nova-network environments would be .include neutron.yaml (ifresource OS::Neutron::Port) or something like that? | 22:52 |
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| kfox1111 | or alternately, in the env, allow a flag to say the type is only available if another is avalible? so rather then fail to validate, just treat it like its not there in the first place? | 22:54 |
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| asalkeld | morning | 23:07 |
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| kfox1111 | morning. | 23:16 |
| kfox1111 | asalkeld, another conditional one for you... | 23:16 |
| kfox1111 | optional resources. | 23:16 |
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| kfox1111 | ie, if designate's available, create a dns entry for the instance using a designate resource. | 23:17 |
| kfox1111 | if its not avaible, thats ok, don't break. | 23:17 |
| asalkeld | ok | 23:18 |
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| kfox1111 | the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/keystone-based-resource-availability kind of does this. but it fails rather then just cancels out a resource request. | 23:21 |
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