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| asalkeld | https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/logging | 00:04 |
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| asalkeld | actually user friendly ^ | 00:05 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: i am inclined to ditch the whole idea of using zaqar for use messages and instead use remote log | 00:11 |
| asalkeld | user | 00:12 |
| asalkeld | as we can then setup the servers to send to the same remote log | 00:12 |
| asalkeld | and the user can setup something like logstash and get seriously *all* their logs | 00:12 |
| stevebaker | what do you mean by remote log? | 00:12 |
| asalkeld | syslog remote tcp | 00:13 |
| asalkeld | http://www.rsyslog.com/sending-messages-to-a-remote-syslog-server/ | 00:13 |
| stevebaker | would there need to be a multi-tenant syslog service? or would it be up to the user to provision their syslog server? | 00:14 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: yeah - user sets it up | 00:14 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: one issue is the awesome tooling availble that is not there for zaqar | 00:14 |
| asalkeld | and i doubt many people have zaqar installed | 00:15 |
| asalkeld | mirantis does not support zaqar for one | 00:15 |
| stevebaker | true, if the events are log-like this would be nice for users | 00:15 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: i was thinking of a ml discussion about this for openstack wide | 00:16 |
| asalkeld | so you could get real user oriented messages coming from all services | 00:16 |
| asalkeld | i was thinking keystone tenants have "email" | 00:16 |
| asalkeld | we could have a remote syslog destinantion in the context | 00:17 |
| asalkeld | and a small library that send logs out | 00:17 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: how would the user specify the syslog destination? sounds like a new REST argument | 00:18 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: when you setup your tenant/user | 00:18 |
| asalkeld | so all services could easily get access to that info | 00:19 |
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| asalkeld | (not sure if that will fly, just an idea0 | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | oh, so its scoped to a tenant/user rather than a stack? Stack-scoped might be more flexible - they would still be able to specify the tenant syslog on stack-create | 00:20 |
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| * stevebaker wonders on the DOS potential of using heat to flood victim syslog servers | 00:21 | |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: yeah - was mainly trying to think how to pass this info down to the other services | 00:22 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: i think that there is a password you pass into rsyslog | 00:22 |
| asalkeld | (we just a client of remote syslog) | 00:23 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: the more I think about it, heat-engine making requests to random syslog hosts is a bit scary. Its the same risk as the docker API resource | 00:28 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: it's udp | 00:28 |
| asalkeld | (udp or tcp) | 00:29 |
| stevebaker | oh, might have to be udp only | 00:29 |
| asalkeld | let me check | 00:29 |
| asalkeld | https://docs.python.org/2/library/logging.handlers.html#logging.handlers.DatagramHandler | 00:30 |
| asalkeld | py logging supports both | 00:30 |
| asalkeld | i should test this out to see how it works | 00:31 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: oh well, lets keep exploring this idea. It sounds interesting | 00:31 |
| stevebaker | https://papertrailapp.com | 00:32 |
| asalkeld | i just thought it would be neat to join the in instance agent logs and heat user-based logs to one stream | 00:33 |
| asalkeld | actually user friendly :-O | 00:33 |
| stevebaker | that would be nice | 00:33 |
| asalkeld | so it looks like all these tools support remote syslog | 00:34 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: what was the etherpad for liberty session ideas? | 00:48 |
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| asalkeld | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions | 00:49 |
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| stevebaker | ta | 00:53 |
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| ryansb | stevebaker: used papertrail before, fwiw. It's a cool idea, but loggly (or logstash) does a better job IMO | 01:01 |
| stevebaker | ryansb: someone on the internet disagrees http://blog.coredumped.org/2011/12/great-search-for-syslog-services.html | 01:02 |
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| ryansb | someone on the internet always disagrees | 01:03 |
| stevebaker | :) | 01:03 |
| ryansb | wow it's a small world, I used to work for him. | 01:06 |
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| ryansb | any case, the idea of adding log shipping is cool, but I'd be a bit scared about letting users say "hey, spam this host for me please" | 01:08 |
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| asalkeld | ryansb: what's a better solution? | 01:17 |
| asalkeld | any better ideas? | 01:18 |
| asalkeld | it would be nice to have a facility when you could prove that you own the address that you specify | 01:19 |
| asalkeld | but not sure how to do that exactly | 01:19 |
| ryansb | asalkeld: I honestly think the "here's the logs" approach isn't very multi-tenant, and would prefer going with zaqar because it's multitenant | 01:19 |
| ryansb | unfortunately with syslog that's kinda hard. We could log an auth code in a log message to their host | 01:20 |
| ryansb | then not send any more logs until they confirm it | 01:20 |
| asalkeld | ryansb: i like the over all idea of zaqar | 01:20 |
| asalkeld | but 2 main issues with it | 01:20 |
| ryansb | kinda a clunky way to do it, but it'd work | 01:20 |
| asalkeld | 1. there are not tools ontop of zaqar likeloggly/logstash/.. | 01:21 |
| asalkeld | 2. not many people install zaqar | 01:21 |
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| asalkeld | so it's not going to be much of a feature if we go with that | 01:21 |
| ryansb | That's true. Hopefully 2) will change but 1) is going to continue to be a problem | 01:22 |
| asalkeld | i am just exploring remote syslog | 01:22 |
| asalkeld | ryansb:can you think of other ideas? | 01:23 |
| asalkeld | i am all ears | 01:23 |
| ryansb | One that comes to mind is an email system that takes heat errors associated with your tenant and emails them | 01:23 |
| ryansb | but that's really *worse* than syslog for the "I'm a heavy user with lots of stacks and want to know what's happening" | 01:23 |
| asalkeld | and then we have to store the messages | 01:24 |
| asalkeld | which i don't really want to do | 01:24 |
| asalkeld | we need some kind of event stream to send to | 01:25 |
| ryansb | yeah. Hrm, can you post this on the ml? I'm off to sleep soon, but we definitely need more thoughts on that. | 01:26 |
| asalkeld | ryansb: totally, just wanted some bright ideas:-0 | 01:26 |
| * ryansb looks at openstack project list to see if there's anything promising we can consume | 01:26 | |
| asalkeld | ryansb: not yet another openstack project | 01:27 |
| ryansb | asalkeld: ;) | 01:27 |
| asalkeld | big tent fail IMHO | 01:27 |
| asalkeld | if they are not installed everywhere there is little point | 01:28 |
| asalkeld | as no one can depend on them | 01:28 |
| ryansb | Is there a nice pubsub we could let users subscrube to? Like zeromq maybe? | 01:28 |
| asalkeld | https://code.google.com/p/pubsubhubbub/ | 01:28 |
| ryansb | amqp isn't cloud-tenant-facing, so that's out | 01:29 |
| ryansb | but maybe | 01:29 |
| ryansb | I don't know much about pubsubhubbub, looks possible. Depends on the volume of log messages b/c it uses webhooks | 01:31 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 01:32 |
| ryansb | zeromq would be neat, but making our own message format & client doesn't sound very attractive | 01:33 |
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| ryansb | night folks | 01:39 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: Hi! | 02:49 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: hi! | 02:50 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: would you be able to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164572/, if you have sometime to spare though:) | 02:52 |
| stevebaker | sure | 02:53 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: Also a patch for env_file support for docker-compose hook. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170714/ | 02:53 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: this is required by the kolla team. | 02:54 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: "[Heat] PTL Candidacy" :-O | 02:56 |
| stevebaker | yup | 02:56 |
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| asalkeld | so i just sent a message to dev about the messaging stuff | 02:58 |
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| elynn | morning :) | 03:00 |
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| cmyster | morning | 03:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | rajiv proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Commands displays operated stacks instead of all the stacks https://review.openstack.org/166693 | 03:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Fix NeutronLoadBalancerTest.test_neutron_loadbalancer timeout https://review.openstack.org/170765 | 04:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Fix stack update issue https://review.openstack.org/170181 | 04:56 |
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| elynn | Hi | 05:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat-templates: Add env_file support for docker-compose hook https://review.openstack.org/170714 | 05:02 |
| elynn | When I use heat stack-list -g, I got an error instead of a list. Do you know why? | 05:02 |
| elynn | ERROR: You are not authorized to complete this action. | 05:02 |
| elynn | I already 'source openrc admin admin' | 05:02 |
| elynn | Oh.... I know why, need to change policy.json... | 05:04 |
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| stevebaker | ramishra: take a look at these comments https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1439042 | 05:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439042 in heat "docker plugin add cpu set property" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to LiangChen (hs-chen) | 05:08 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: sure | 05:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat: Make sure UpdatePolicy is unset for Heat scaling group https://review.openstack.org/158549 | 05:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat: Use helper functions stack_suspend and stack_resume https://review.openstack.org/169963 | 05:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat: Adds --version into command docs https://review.openstack.org/170814 | 05:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Kanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/heat-specs: Stack resource searching, sorting and pagination https://review.openstack.org/168661 | 05:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed openstack/heat-specs: Mock resource to emulate various behaviors. https://review.openstack.org/170792 | 05:57 |
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| asalkeld | brb | 06:26 |
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| dmn_ | hi, say i've created a stack and that stack consists of several servers (using ResourceGroup), would it be possible to add another server to this stack? | 06:28 |
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| NoaKoffman | Hi, you can use 'stack-update' to add another server to the tamplate | 06:29 |
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| NoaKoffman | *template | 06:29 |
| NoaKoffman | sorry I didn't see the resource group part, I think you can use stack update to change the 'count' to add another one. | 06:30 |
| dmn_ | NoaKoffman, say, I change the count from 5 to 6, then only one server will be created? | 06:30 |
| dmn_ | after stack-update, that is. | 06:31 |
| NoaKoffman | yes, that should work | 06:31 |
| dmn_ | okay, thanks | 06:31 |
| NoaKoffman | no problem :) | 06:32 |
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| dmn_ | Would it be possible to add a server from one stack to another? | 06:37 |
| dmn_ | NoaKoffman, ^ | 06:37 |
| NoaKoffman | I don't know of a way to do this with an existing stack. However, you can try to use stack abandon and then adopt to take a server from an existing stack and put it in a new one (which will be created in the 'adopt' process) | 06:39 |
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| skraynev | morning guys :) | 06:40 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: hi :) | 06:40 |
| NoaKoffman | hi | 06:41 |
| dmn_ | oh, okay. | 06:41 |
| cmyster | morning skraynev | 06:41 |
| skraynev | hi cmyster ;) | 06:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Fix NeutronLoadBalancerTest.test_neutron_loadbalancer timeout https://review.openstack.org/170765 | 06:47 |
| pas-ha | morning al | 06:54 |
| limor | morning | 06:54 |
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| pas-ha | AttributeError: 'InstallRequirement' object has no attribute 'url' while installing keystone on gate's devstack - what is this? | 06:57 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: hey ;) | 06:59 |
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| inc0 | hello everyone | 07:13 |
| nihilifer | hi | 07:16 |
| pas-ha | skraynev, oops, double recheck.. | 07:17 |
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| asalkeld | hi skraynev | 07:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: To attach interface for server when using 'uuid' https://review.openstack.org/170017 | 07:25 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: yeah. sometimes it's possible :) | 07:25 |
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| pas-ha | looks like it is some intermittent failure, as it is not present on all gate checks though most of them install devstack | 07:27 |
| asalkeld | do we really need this in rc1? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167557/ | 07:31 |
| asalkeld | i could just remove it from the blocker list | 07:31 |
| asalkeld | done | 07:32 |
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| ramishra | iseems everything is failing at devstack-gate;) | 07:40 |
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| pas-ha | yay, all set for rc1 cut :) | 07:52 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 07:52 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: got the release meeting in 8mins | 07:52 |
| pas-ha | good, does that mean master will open soon? :) | 07:53 |
| pas-ha | asalkeld, take a look at my last comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166166/ - would we like that patch in Kilo? (as milestone-potential?) | 07:55 |
| pas-ha | well, not the last - second to last comment | 07:55 |
| * pas-ha wonders why gerrit does not support permalinking to the comment.. | 07:57 | |
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| asalkeld | looking pas-ha | 07:58 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: *could* do - doesn't look super important | 07:59 |
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| pas-ha | asalkeld, that was my thought also. I'm fine with any decision, so let's not rush it in Kilo | 08:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/heat: Open Liberty development https://review.openstack.org/171075 | 08:07 |
| skraynev | wow: Liberty open ;) | 08:07 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: except Mistral | 08:08 |
| skraynev | I though, that we want to see it in K | 08:08 |
| skraynev | but... now it looks impossible | 08:08 |
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| stevebaker | as a contrib plugin Mistral won't be distributed with the release anyway, and can land any time | 08:16 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: got it. thx ;) | 08:19 |
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| skraynev | Anybody knows: what the hell happens with gates? | 08:19 |
| asalkeld | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1440984 | 08:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440984 in tempest "AttributeError: 'InstallRequirement' when running update.py" [Undecided,New] | 08:20 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: ok. wait when fix be merged ;) | 08:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed openstack/heat: test_resource for functional tests https://review.openstack.org/170682 | 08:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat-specs: Support to generate hot template based on resource type https://review.openstack.org/171089 | 09:10 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: around? | 09:34 |
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| skraynev | what the principal difference between SwiftSignal and WaitCondition except using corresponding clients (swift and heat) | 09:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Deliang Fan proposed openstack/heat: Fix floatingip[association] misses use case https://review.openstack.org/167980 | 09:48 |
| skraynev | Note: please do not recheck, we have issue on gates. Let's wait fix for gate be merged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1440984 | 09:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440984 in tempest "AttributeError: 'InstallRequirement' when running update.py" [Undecided,New] | 09:50 |
| shardy | skraynev: The main difference is the transport, e.g swift vs signalling the heat API directly | 09:50 |
| shardy | skraynev: the swift version may scale better, but obviously it only works if you have swift in your environment | 09:51 |
| skraynev | shardy: can we say which i more preferable? | 09:52 |
| skraynev | shardy: in case for our integration tests. | 09:52 |
| shardy | skraynev: well for deployers, they can choose because we made the interfaces compatible | 09:53 |
| shardy | but for integration tests, I guess maybe the WaitCondition version may be preferred in most cases, because then you don't need all the swift components running in your devstack env | 09:53 |
| shardy | ideally, we'd test both - I'm not sure if we have coverage of SwiftSignal atm tho | 09:54 |
| skraynev | shardy: ok. got it. cool ;) | 09:56 |
| pas-ha | shardy, we need swift already for integration tests - https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat_integrationtests/functional/test_aws_stack.py#L104 | 09:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat-specs: Support to generate hot template based on resource type https://review.openstack.org/171089 | 10:04 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: Ok, thanks | 10:10 |
| shardy | therve: Hey, I'd be interested to get your feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170634/ | 10:14 |
| shardy | IIRC the ommission of load_balancer_names from the heat ASG resource was a deliberate design decision? | 10:15 |
| therve | shardy, Yes | 10:16 |
| therve | The bug opened is just... something we never intended to support | 10:17 |
| therve | Because only neutron load balancers are supported in the current scenario | 10:18 |
| therve | shardy, Commented. I think I may have lost the design battle of ASG though. | 10:24 |
| shardy | therve: Ok, thanks! | 10:24 |
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| therve | I guess none of the ASG spec have been merged though. | 10:26 |
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| shardy | therve: I wonder if we actually need a more generic "cascade_signal" interface or something, so you just specify a list of resource which should also get hit by the signal doing the ASG adjustment | 10:27 |
| shardy | e.g after we land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143496/ | 10:28 |
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| therve | shardy, That's the king of thing I would like yeah | 10:28 |
| shardy | then we could have a default signal handler which just re-resolves the properties | 10:28 |
| shardy | I'll add a comment along those lines | 10:28 |
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| therve | It's obvious on that patch that they don't want load_balancer_names, as they *don't* use a regulard load balancer name | 10:29 |
| therve | It's just "please notify this resource" | 10:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Fix NeutronLoadBalancerTest.test_neutron_loadbalancer timeout https://review.openstack.org/170765 | 11:38 |
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| gcivitella | Hi all, is the idea of running an Heat agent inside vms to trigger autoscaling actions definitively outdated? Are there cases (ie: Puppet or Chef integration) where such agents are still used? Thanks | 12:07 |
| shardy | gcivitella: Having an agent push stats is still useful, e.g when you care about application level metrics which aren't available via ceilometer's hypervisor-level data | 12:08 |
| shardy | gcivitella: you can push those stats via python-ceilometerclient directly to ceilometer, or via the legacy cfn-push-stats tool | 12:09 |
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| gcivitella | shardy: thanks | 12:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Renat Akhmerov proposed openstack/heat: Add OS::Mistral::CronTrigger resource https://review.openstack.org/149327 | 12:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat-templates: heat-config-kubelet hook https://review.openstack.org/140887 | 12:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | rajiv proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Commands displays operated stacks instead of all the stacks https://review.openstack.org/166693 | 12:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Grzegorz Grasza (xek) proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Update heatclient shell to use shared arguments from Session https://review.openstack.org/170411 | 12:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Open Liberty development https://review.openstack.org/171075 | 13:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Add env storing for loaded environments https://review.openstack.org/168865 | 14:04 |
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| skraynev | Who recently install devstack? I met the issue, that it is successfully installed, but heat is not loaded and installed | 14:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Fix resources allocation in documentation https://review.openstack.org/166110 | 14:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Add OS::Mistral::Workflow for Mistral workflows https://review.openstack.org/147645 | 14:16 |
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| therve | skraynev, Maybe you have that pip issue? | 14:19 |
| Qiming | skraynev, I just rebuilt a devstack multi-host env on rhel7 last week, everything works fine | 14:19 |
| Qiming | pip issue -> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060776.html | 14:19 |
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| skraynev | therve: may be, but symptoms don't not look similar | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/heat: Show resource by physical_id https://review.openstack.org/168864 | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/heat: Fix trace for stack adopt tests https://review.openstack.org/169024 | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/heat: Make disk property of flavor default https://review.openstack.org/167229 | 14:21 |
| skraynev | Qiming: looking. | 14:21 |
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| Qiming | skraynev, http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/commit/?id=53ded8cedaca91c1ad576b81b090b7bc237b4a8f | 14:23 |
| Qiming | maybe this? | 14:23 |
| skraynev | Qiming: try to use it now. deploy in progress | 14:24 |
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| skraynev | Qiming: anyway it's very strange Heat should be enabled by default | 14:25 |
| Qiming | heat is removed from the default ENABLED_SERVICES .. that is weird | 14:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Improve StackValidationFailed response in properties https://review.openstack.org/127150 | 14:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Improve StackValidationFailed response in nested https://review.openstack.org/170490 | 14:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Improve StackValidationFailed response in outputs https://review.openstack.org/160819 | 14:58 |
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| pas-ha | Qiming, I think might be due to moving all heat tests to our functional ones, so that heat is no more installed on every devstack running on the gate | 15:08 |
| pas-ha | we had that discussion on one of recent weeklies | 15:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Deprecate using required=True with default value https://review.openstack.org/116615 | 15:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Fix NeutronLoadBalancerTest.test_neutron_loadbalancer timeout https://review.openstack.org/170765 | 15:21 |
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| Grace1 | Hi | 16:30 |
| Grace1 | I have one question about run npm command from powershell from userdata | 16:31 |
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| Grace1 | it always reported: Create_Failed: Resource CREATE failed: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\uff03' in position 3006: ordinal not in range(128) | 16:31 |
| Grace1 | but I can run the npm command successfully directly from powershell command prompt | 16:32 |
| Grace1 | why? | 16:32 |
| zaneb | Grace1: that's an error in Heat, not in powershell | 16:32 |
| zaneb | or, at least, in Python code somewhere | 16:33 |
| Grace1 | then how to solve | 16:33 |
| Grace1 | it | 16:33 |
| zaneb | one option is to not output non-ascii text | 16:33 |
| zaneb | but to really fix it we'd need to see the traceback from the exception. try searching for that text in the heat-engine log | 16:34 |
| Grace1 | let me try | 16:35 |
| Grace1 | thx a lot | 16:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat-templates: Add env_file support for docker-compose hook https://review.openstack.org/170714 | 17:17 |
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| AlexD_ | Can someone provides any details on how I can use resources that exist before a stack is deployed? I have an situation where I need to extract properties from an existing OS::Neutron:Subnet resource. Ideally I would like to have heat create the resource if it were not already present. | 17:27 |
| AlexD_ | The question is basically the same as https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/56654/how-to-read-attributes-of-existing-network-in-heat-template/, but the response doesn't answer the question asked. | 17:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Cleans default declaration nullable=False from heat objects https://review.openstack.org/170775 | 17:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-heatclient: Remove the deprecated shell commands https://review.openstack.org/167622 | 18:06 |
| jdandrea | Very exciting to see all these merges/fixes/etc.! | 18:07 |
| jdandrea | AlexD_: Good question. Iff it's possible to use the UUID of an existing resource with get_attr, then you're golden, however I'm not sure that's possible (haven't tried it myself). | 18:08 |
| jdandrea | (If not Iff, heh.) | 18:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed openstack/heat: test_resource for functional tests https://review.openstack.org/170682 | 18:19 |
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| pas-ha | AlexD_, currently you can not. You have to extract these properties yourself via neutronclient and feed them to the template as e.g. parameters | 18:29 |
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| pas-ha | but there is a spec on review about resource-level abandon and adopt (the latter is what you want it seems) | 18:30 |
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| jdandrea | AlexD_: I wonder about resources that you *can't* adopt (e.g., resources that are already being orchestrated) but that you still want to get properties of, just as you would normally do from the command line ... | 18:47 |
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| AlexD_ | jdandrea, pas-ha: Thanks for the response. I'll dig more into the adoption spec to see if it is what I need. | 18:58 |
| jdandrea | :) | 18:58 |
| AlexD_ | BTW... is what I am wanting to do an heat anti-pattern? Is obtaining the properties outside heat the norm? | 19:00 |
| jdandrea | AlexD_: I'm not sure. I mean ... there are times when I've orchestrated "by hand" and I've needed to get info from resources I didn't create. So long as I have line-of-sight via the project/tenant and I can use CLIs to do so, I'm golden. | 19:03 |
| jdandrea | AlexD_: For now, what I do is pass values in as params. That means I still have to fetch all that info out-of-band (vs. automate it), but it does the trick. | 19:04 |
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| jdandrea | AlexD_: I think I'd make good use of some way to examine existing resources, so long as I have permission to do so. I'm not sure if it's an anti-pattern though. Perhaps there are pros/cons alike. | 19:05 |
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| miguelgrinberg | therve: are you around? | 19:42 |
| therve | miguelgrinberg, Yes | 19:43 |
| miguelgrinberg | Hi, I agree with you, doing an update is the best solution, but angus and stevebaker were not too happy when I suggested that idea | 19:43 |
| therve | It's possible they were wrong. Or that I am :). | 19:44 |
| miguelgrinberg | I wanted to not call adjust(), but instead generate a stack update. To me that is the solution that addresses all problems related to this. | 19:44 |
| therve | I don't think I should be blocking your patch if Angus approves it. | 19:45 |
| therve | Did you write a patch, or talked about the solution? | 19:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | I did not write a patch for the update idea, it was just a discussion here with angus and steve | 19:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | so this week I'm not going to have much time as I'm in Montreal for PyCon, but next week I can give it a shot | 19:46 |
| therve | Well I don't really know their objections, they are possibly valid | 19:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | they seemed to think it would be overkill to do a full update | 19:47 |
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| therve | Hum ok. That's not a strong argument :) | 19:47 |
| therve | Do you think you could perhaps send an email to -dev? | 19:47 |
| miguelgrinberg | right, updates are smart, they update just the stuff that changed | 19:47 |
| stevebaker | I think it is just having a general principle of resources shouldn't trigger stack lifecycle changes | 19:47 |
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| therve | stevebaker, Hi! | 19:48 |
| stevebaker | hi | 19:48 |
| therve | You mean resource shouldn't call update directly from inside? | 19:48 |
| stevebaker | yeah, because then you have resources implementing workflow | 19:49 |
| miguelgrinberg | stevebaker: on a smaller scale that is happening, the update is just localized, but it's there | 19:50 |
| therve | That sounds fair to me. Which is why we should detect what happens, instead of making the resource calling it. | 19:50 |
| stevebaker | as an aside, if we end up doing stack updates for this then we could do the same thing to fix HARestarter | 19:52 |
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| therve | I'm not super convinced by your argument though. You're saying that we shouldn't do workflow explicitely, but we currently doing it implicitely. | 19:52 |
| therve | Isn't explicit better? | 19:53 |
| miguelgrinberg | we are also explicitly updating the lb resources as a result of the implicit update of the asg | 19:53 |
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| therve | ASG is even calling stack_update on the nested stack currently | 19:54 |
| therve | miguelgrinberg, Are we? I thought that was the bug you wanted to fix | 19:54 |
| therve | Or are you talking about the AWS resource? | 19:54 |
| miguelgrinberg | therve: the lbutils module does an update on the resources listed as load balancers | 19:54 |
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| miguelgrinberg | I extended it to work on custom resources that I used as load balancers | 19:55 |
| therve | Right. | 19:55 |
| therve | I would consider that legacy stuff :) | 19:55 |
| miguelgrinberg | to me the way you update the resourcegroup is much cleaner, a full update takes care of all the dependencies | 19:56 |
| therve | AWS::ElasticLoadBalancing::LoadBalancer doesn't depend on the group though, so that wouldn't solve that issue | 19:56 |
| miguelgrinberg | well, that's a good point. The update would work for resources that use get_attr on the ASG, which is my case. | 19:57 |
| therve | Still, we don't have to solve everything at once. | 19:58 |
| miguelgrinberg | I'm not very familiar with the aws side, so I don't know how much that can be changed without breaking compatibility | 20:00 |
| miguelgrinberg | probably not much, so maybe its best to not touch that | 20:01 |
| miguelgrinberg | therve: yeah, it looks like the current mechanism with lbutils cannot be changed, so if we do an update it'll be for HOT only | 20:06 |
| therve | Which is fine, I believe. | 20:06 |
| therve | miguelgrinberg, Got to go. I believe we're in sync though. If you can send that email that'd be great, we could possibly have Zane's input as well. And again, I don't want to block your progress, so if someone approves your patch that's ok. | 20:08 |
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| miguelgrinberg | therve: thanks, for your help. | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: you about to read this backscroll? ^^ | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | I'm about | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | I read the scrollback and I have no idea what we're talking about | 20:19 |
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| zaneb | miguelgrinberg: mailing list post would be great, thanks :) | 20:19 |
| miguelgrinberg | zaneb: yes, I'll write it up for the ML | 20:20 |
| zaneb | much appreciated :) | 20:20 |
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| stevebaker | this looks like it needs triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1439518 | 21:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439518 in heat "purge_deleted gives SQL integrety error" [Undecided,New] | 21:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat-templates: Add env_file support for docker-compose hook https://review.openstack.org/170714 | 21:48 |
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