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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Change the engine-listener topic https://review.openstack.org/159876 | 00:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Corrected typo https://review.openstack.org/108644 | 00:58 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Use mock instead of mox for test_nested_stack.py https://review.openstack.org/159510 | 00:58 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Add resource_definitions check to Stack.validate https://review.openstack.org/140976 | 00:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Add code tag for from_task_with_args() docstring https://review.openstack.org/108642 | 01:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat: Create an integer id for the resource table https://review.openstack.org/159741 | 04:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat: Add extra columns for resource table https://review.openstack.org/156693 | 04:39 |
openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack/heat: Create an integer id for the resource table https://review.openstack.org/159741 | 04:39 |
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asalkeld | brb, picking kids up | 04:43 |
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elynn | Hi guys, I wanna setup highavailability of heat services. Can heat services support that? Is there any configuration that need to change? | 05:29 |
asalkeld | elynn: i don't think there is any special configuration | 05:59 |
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elynn | Hi asalkeld , so I can setup heat-api and heat-engine both in active/active mode? | 06:04 |
asalkeld | elynn: yes | 06:04 |
elynn | thanks asalkeld , will have a try. | 06:05 |
elynn | :) | 06:05 |
asalkeld | cool, good luck | 06:05 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/160082 | 06:31 |
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huangtianhua | hi all:) | 06:51 |
openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Make ; parsing optional in format_parameters https://review.openstack.org/160238 | 06:57 |
openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Implement deployment-output-show https://review.openstack.org/160239 | 06:57 |
openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Implement deployment-create https://review.openstack.org/160240 | 06:57 |
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openstackgerrit | Ton Ngo proposed openstack/heat: Reuse existing template https://review.openstack.org/154620 | 07:01 |
openstackgerrit | Ton Ngo proposed openstack/heat: Reuse existing registry https://review.openstack.org/154619 | 07:01 |
openstackgerrit | Ton Ngo proposed openstack/heat: Replace the registry of an environment https://review.openstack.org/154618 | 07:01 |
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skraynev | good morning | 07:46 |
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asalkeld | hi skraynev | 07:52 |
skraynev | asalkeld: hi. I have seen your comment ;) | 07:52 |
asalkeld | ok, cool | 07:52 |
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skraynev | I will take a look fix db. | 07:53 |
asalkeld | thanks, it's almost working | 07:53 |
asalkeld | i'll be in-n-out ... making supper | 07:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Add ability to pass parameters during update https://review.openstack.org/159763 | 08:23 |
shardy | morning all | 08:26 |
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openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed openstack/heat: Add config option to override url for versions https://review.openstack.org/160267 | 09:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Ishant Tyagi proposed openstack/heat: DB changes for resource locking https://review.openstack.org/157672 | 10:02 |
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pas-ha | morning all | 10:25 |
asalkeld | shardy: you notice the passing tests -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116336/ | 10:25 |
asalkeld | pas-ha: hi | 10:25 |
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shardy | asalkeld: \o/ | 10:32 |
shardy | awesome :) | 10:33 |
asalkeld | took long enough | 10:33 |
shardy | asalkeld: thanks again for taking it on - I'll review the current series today | 10:34 |
asalkeld | ta | 10:34 |
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cmyster | morning of sorts | 10:42 |
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asalkeld | g'night | 11:22 |
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skraynev | asalkeld: bb | 11:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/heat: Reduce number of count for event_create https://review.openstack.org/160318 | 12:20 |
openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/heat: Reduce number of count for event_create https://review.openstack.org/160318 | 12:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed openstack/heat: Refactor test_parser module https://review.openstack.org/160325 | 12:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed openstack/heat: Add extra data to Stack table for Convergence. https://review.openstack.org/155211 | 13:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed openstack/heat: Split api test case file https://review.openstack.org/160351 | 14:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed openstack/heat: Refactor test_parser module https://review.openstack.org/160325 | 14:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Patch validate methods with mock instead of mox https://review.openstack.org/160370 | 15:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Add functional test for AWS loadbalancer https://review.openstack.org/153192 | 15:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed openstack/heat: Refactor test_parser module https://review.openstack.org/160325 | 15:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Tomas Sedovic proposed openstack/heat: Add breakpoint support https://review.openstack.org/146123 | 15:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Oleksii Chuprykov proposed openstack/heat: Move test_notifications to functional https://review.openstack.org/152573 | 16:15 |
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DaveJ__ | Hi - I'm trying to make use of anti-affinity rules with a heat template on Juno | 16:52 |
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DaveJ__ | Does anyone have an example - looks like I shuold be using a ServerGroup, but how do I attach that to my Server ? | 16:53 |
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DaveJ__ | Nevermind - seemed to have found it here: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/56761/how-to-use-scheduler_hints-in-heat-template/ | 16:59 |
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alextricity | Does anybody know if I can use the "get_file" function for a software config script? | 17:11 |
alextricity | I get this message when I try: No content found in the "files" section for get_file path | 17:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Fix SessionClient error when endpoint=None https://review.openstack.org/160431 | 17:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/heat: Reduce number of count for event_create https://review.openstack.org/160318 | 17:42 |
openstackgerrit | Tomas Sedovic proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Add options for setting and clearing of breakpoints https://review.openstack.org/149319 | 17:48 |
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zaneb | alextricity: yes, you can | 17:59 |
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alextricity | zaneb: I'm I doing something wrong? All I did was config: { get_file: script.sh } | 17:59 |
alextricity | but that farted with an error | 18:00 |
zaneb | alextricity: are you using python-heatclient? | 18:00 |
alextricity | yeah | 18:00 |
zaneb | it should be uploading the file for you then... but sounds like it is not | 18:00 |
alextricity | zaneb, you wouldn't happen to know of some examples i can look at, do you? | 18:01 |
zaneb | bad path or something maybe? | 18:01 |
zaneb | let me try to dig one up | 18:01 |
alextricity | zaneb Thank you :) | 18:01 |
zaneb | alextricity: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat-templates/tree/hot/software-config/example-templates/wordpress/WordPress_software-config_1-instance.yaml <- there's one | 18:02 |
alextricity | dang, that's doing the same thing I do. I'll keep trying. This should work even though I'm uploading the file through the UI, right? | 18:03 |
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zaneb | alextricity: no, I don't believe that was ever implemented in Horizon | 18:05 |
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alextricity | zaneb. Ah, okay. That's disappointing :( | 18:05 |
zaneb | although I don't keep up with it so I can't be sure | 18:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/heat: Reduce number of count for event_create https://review.openstack.org/160318 | 18:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed openstack/heat: Convergence sync_point DB table https://review.openstack.org/155732 | 18:43 |
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rakesh_hs | zaneb: Hi | 18:46 |
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rakesh_hs | zaneb: Regarding- convergence sync_point db implementation. To ensure the update to input_data is atomic, I have used an extra integer column. | 18:50 |
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rakesh_hs | zaneb: As of now, I have named the column as 'atomic_key', we can change it if required. | 18:51 |
rakesh_hs | zaneb: When you find time, let me know your inputs on the same | 18:51 |
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zaneb | rakesh_hs: sure, I was just looking at one of your patches actually | 18:55 |
zaneb | and then the phone rang, of course :/ | 18:55 |
rakesh_hs | zaneb: oh np take your time, I just wanted to let you know about the extra column | 18:57 |
zaneb | rakesh_hs: cool, yeah, without having looked at it yet, that sounds like a sensible approach | 18:57 |
rakesh_hs | zaneb: And due to time zone diff, I could not contact you.. from now on.. will try to catch you up around this time :) | 18:58 |
zaneb | rakesh_hs: yeah, this tends to work better. I often have meetings in the morning, so even to the extent our work hours overlap, I'm often not available | 18:59 |
rakesh_hs | zaneb: yep, thats fine. | 19:00 |
rakesh_hs | zaneb: ok then, when you find time leave your inputs as comments... I will look into it. | 19:00 |
zaneb | rakesh_hs: sure, I'll try to get to it today | 19:01 |
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Drago1 | jamielennox: I have more questions for you | 19:27 |
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openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Database API and engine changes for stack tags https://review.openstack.org/159250 | 20:27 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Add ability to hide stacks based on tag https://review.openstack.org/160488 | 20:27 |
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openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Add a "show_hidden" parameter to stack-list API https://review.openstack.org/160492 | 20:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Drago proposed openstack/heat: Retrieve service catalog when it is missing https://review.openstack.org/159554 | 21:38 |
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alextricity | It would be really nice if I could specify which parameters to pre-populate on the UI when doing a stack update :) | 21:55 |
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jamielennox | Drago: shoot | 22:18 |
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Drago | jamielennox: I was having trouble finding a good way to dump the current auth_plugin and make a new one, since auth_ref is not directly available for modification after an auth_plugin instance is created. I ended up recreating the RequestContext: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159554/ | 22:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/heat-templates: Boot config for installing software-config agent https://review.openstack.org/119282 | 22:23 |
openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/heat-templates: Boot config environment for test images https://review.openstack.org/158172 | 22:23 |
openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed openstack/heat-templates: Elements for building a heat test image https://review.openstack.org/159670 | 22:23 |
Drago | jamielennox: this is different than what I was doing before (checking for the catalog at auth_plugin creation) because instantiating the keystone client uses the auth_plugin, which threw it into an infinite loop | 22:23 |
jamielennox | Drago: yea, i figured out what the problem is with v2 auth - i just don't know how to fix it as there is some real recursion issues | 22:23 |
jamielennox | Drago: so that must be relying on the v2client plugin right? | 22:24 |
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jamielennox | because that's the only way that kc.service_catalog should have naything in it | 22:24 |
Drago | jamielennox: this newest patch set, no. Theoretically it should work | 22:24 |
Drago | jamielennox: kc.service_catalog is the same for v3 too | 22:24 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed openstack/heat: Add ability to filter stacks by tag https://review.openstack.org/160537 | 22:25 |
jamielennox | Drago: the attribute exists because i couldn't remove it, but if you instantiate it with a session then it will be empty | 22:25 |
jamielennox | never actually assigned to i think | 22:26 |
Drago | jamielennox: I could have sworn it was working for me with devstack… let me try to hunt down the code | 22:26 |
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Drago | jamielennox: service_catalog is pulled from auth_ref https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/httpclient.py#L386-L388 | 22:30 |
Drago | jamielennox: which is an AccessInfo https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/httpclient.py#L240 | 22:30 |
Drago | jamielennox: which has service_catalog when the AccessInfoV3 is instantiated https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/access.py#L604-L607 | 22:30 |
jamielennox | Drago: but when you pass a session /auth plugin then the plugin is managing the AccessInfo for you | 22:31 |
jamielennox | god i wish i could just delete all that old code | 22:31 |
Drago | argh | 22:31 |
jamielennox | Drago: ah | 22:32 |
jamielennox | no.. | 22:32 |
Drago | jamielennox: I will try to reproduce on devstack | 22:32 |
jamielennox | just check the v3 client object, i think client.auth_ref == None | 22:33 |
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Drago | jamielennox: If I recall correctly, I checked auth_ref and it was None like you said, but kc.service_catalog was there | 22:34 |
jamielennox | Drago: weird, @property | 22:34 |
jamielennox | def service_catalog(self): | 22:34 |
jamielennox | """Returns this client's service catalog.""" | 22:34 |
jamielennox | return self.auth_ref.service_catalog | 22:34 |
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Drago | jamielennox: crud, I don't know what I was looking at before, but there's definitely no service catalog there in v3 | 22:43 |
jamielennox | Drago: sorry :p | 22:44 |
Drago | jamielennox: the only way I see now to resolve not having a service catalog is to use the keystoneclient's url_for directly, which is the old way of doing it | 22:46 |
Drago | *get_endpoint | 22:47 |
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jamielennox | Drago: well the other way i guess is to convert the keystone v2 client to use a session as well | 22:49 |
jamielennox | i wasn't going to bother with that as i thought that it was essentially legacy code, but it appears there is a real requirement | 22:49 |
jamielennox | i looked into this briefly but haven't got far | 22:49 |
jamielennox | it doesn't seem like it's functionally tested at all | 22:49 |
Drago | jamielennox: well, I can solve the service catalog problem in V2, but I'm out of ideas on V3 | 22:50 |
stevebaker | Drago: about a year ago rax said that there was an internal heat integration job which could be published to gerrit as a 3rd-party gate job. Is there any chance so resourcing could be put on that again - it would prevent problems like these. | 22:52 |
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Drago | stevebaker: We talked about it a bit recently. I think the thing that was missing was having our job publish its results. I'd like to get it revived. It was actually what I would be working on once this was done | 22:55 |
stevebaker | Drago: OK, that is good to hear. anteaya can help you with any 3rd-party job setup issues | 22:57 |
Drago | jamielennox: Is there any way to get at the service directly or get a new token using the auth_plugin in V3? | 22:58 |
Drago | stevebaker: noted, thank you! | 22:58 |
Drago | *service catalog | 22:58 |
anteaya | hello | 22:59 |
anteaya | what is up | 22:59 |
jamielennox | you can rescope your token for a new token - that will reissue you a catalog | 22:59 |
jamielennox | but i was explicitly trying to limit people iterating through the service catalog | 22:59 |
anteaya | are you doing third party testing in heat? | 23:00 |
Drago | jamielennox: just curious, may I ask why? And why was the limiting done at the client level and not the interface of the service catalog itself? | 23:00 |
stevebaker | anteaya: rax chase heat trunk, and have their own internal job which they would like to publish | 23:01 |
anteaya | cool | 23:02 |
anteaya | so here is the question | 23:02 |
anteaya | who benefits from what they publish? | 23:02 |
anteaya | will the devs | 23:02 |
anteaya | will anything they produce allow a dev to dig through logs and re-evaluate a patch? | 23:02 |
anteaya | if no, then publishing to another website is probably the best direction | 23:02 |
anteaya | I'm open for more context | 23:03 |
jamielennox | Drago: if you know you are talking to an upstream keystone then you can do auth_plugin.get_access() which is just an AccessInfo and you can use the catalog as you used to, however there is the intention that you could have a plugin that publishes the service catalog on zookeeper or some other incompatible way and all the clients should work fine | 23:03 |
jamielennox | stevebaker, anteaya, Drago: as the functional tests they are running are in the upstream code base i would think it qualifies for a normal gate job? | 23:03 |
anteaya | jamielennox: let's do that | 23:04 |
stevebaker | anteaya: regressions are usually caused by heat assuming latest keystone and rax having something which is keystone-v2 compatible. As a project I think we're happy to ensure heat works on v2-only clouds but we would prefer not to have to set up our own v2 gate jobs | 23:04 |
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stevebaker | anteaya: so we have an optional v2 shim in contrib which doesn't get tested | 23:06 |
anteaya | hmmmm | 23:06 |
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jamielennox | stevebaker: but assumedly all the problems ive caused would have been found my a v2 only functional test | 23:07 |
stevebaker | anteaya: there are other rax snowflake differences which are handled in other heat contrib resources, we can't test those either | 23:07 |
jamielennox | thats not rax specific | 23:07 |
anteaya | stevebaker Drago jamielennox would you be willing to send a delgation to an infra meeting? | 23:07 |
anteaya | we have one tomorrow 1900 utc | 23:07 |
anteaya | I think I would like to hear more opinions about how we should approach testing this | 23:07 |
anteaya | as this feels like an edge case to me | 23:08 |
zaneb | the kitchen sink template test that RAX had also sounds really useful, although maybe we're starting to move toward the point where the in-tree functional tests to cover that kind of thing | 23:08 |
anteaya | but we do need to test all the things | 23:08 |
anteaya | and if this is an edge case for you there may be other projects with a similar edge case that I don't yet know about | 23:08 |
stevebaker | jamielennox: v2 functional tests would help, but there may be other regressions from rax-auth not being actual keystone | 23:09 |
stevebaker | anteaya: I mean maybe this job will never become voting, but it would still be very useful to see | 23:10 |
jamielennox | stevebaker: right - they should definitely be third party | 23:10 |
Drago | anteaya: possibly, I'll talk to Randall | 23:10 |
anteaya | stevebaker: well we have that as a use case | 23:11 |
anteaya | since cinder is in the same boat | 23:11 |
anteaya | we have some open source plugins that infra is willing to allow use our infra | 23:11 |
jamielennox | can you even make devstack spin up without v3 keystone? | 23:11 |
stevebaker | anteaya: third-party is usually testing hardware, but for heat we would be testing cloud | 23:11 |
anteaya | so they are in stackforge and we have now worked out that they use the -nv designator on the jobs in the repo they want to test | 23:12 |
anteaya | for example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153868/ | 23:12 |
anteaya | stevebaker: third party can be testing anything | 23:12 |
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anteaya | usually what they are testing is such that we can't test it | 23:12 |
anteaya | but in the cases where we can, such as open source code, we would like to | 23:13 |
anteaya | which is why I would like to have a chew about this at the infra meeting | 23:13 |
anteaya | to give other infra folks a chance to hear the use case and suggest approaches | 23:13 |
stevebaker | jamielennox: Enabling heat-standalone configures the v2 shim in devstack, at least for now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141910/1 | 23:13 |
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jamielennox | stevebaker: right - but the bug fiiled against me for heat is that this is being ignored and doing v3 auth anyway | 23:14 |
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stevebaker | anteaya: I spoke to jeblair at LCA, the problem is that it would be really hard (impossible) to create an infra rax heat job which can't be subverted to spit out the rax credentials. | 23:15 |
jamielennox | i want to look at running v3 only keystone from devstack anyway so i'll see if i can make a v2 only mode as well | 23:15 |
Drago | jamielennox: are you talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1420987 | 23:16 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1420987 in heat "Heat not working with keystoneclient_v2" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Drago (drago-rosson) | 23:16 |
anteaya | stevebaker: ah I didn't know you had already discussed this with jim | 23:16 |
anteaya | stevebaker: what was his suggested way forward at that time? | 23:16 |
stevebaker | anteaya: yeah, I didn't get back to you | 23:16 |
anteaya | stevebaker: it's okay | 23:16 |
anteaya | because the cinder scenario is new | 23:16 |
anteaya | as in we haven't completely figured it out yet | 23:17 |
jamielennox | Drago: hmm, there was one that was assigned to me | 23:17 |
stevebaker | anteaya: no alternatives suggested, which to me leaves an internal rax job that is published | 23:17 |
jamielennox | Drago: i'd happily let you have it, but it's not to do with the service catalog | 23:17 |
anteaya | published | 23:17 |
anteaya | what do you mean when you say that? | 23:17 |
stevebaker | anteaya: I mean results posted to gerrit as a 3rd-party job | 23:17 |
anteaya | ah | 23:18 |
anteaya | well they would have to meet all the obligations of having a third party account | 23:18 |
anteaya | http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 23:18 |
stevebaker | anteaya, Drago: And come to think of it, it could only run on gate (not check) so that it is not subverted to spit out the rax credentials ;) | 23:18 |
anteaya | read the whole thing, pay particular attention to requirements | 23:19 |
anteaya | it wouldn't ever run on gate | 23:19 |
anteaya | third party runs on check only | 23:19 |
stevebaker | ok, I'm sure there could be some internal filtering on the results to remove any credentials in the log | 23:20 |
anteaya | sounds like your stumbling point are your credentials | 23:20 |
anteaya | filter away rax | 23:20 |
anteaya | you post a link in the comments to your logs, we have nothing to do with logging | 23:21 |
anteaya | expect expect there to be some | 23:21 |
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anteaya | *except expect there to be some | 23:22 |
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jamielennox | Drago: i missed shardy's reply on that bug, i updated it | 23:23 |
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Drago | personally, I don't see why it would make sense to have a rax gate job because of the potential differences our cloud has from openstack. Wouldn't the best course of action be to just write upstream tests for V2? I'm pretty new to all of this, so if that's way off, just tell me :) | 23:25 |
jamielennox | Drago: IMO it's not upstream's problem if we're breaking rax, but the v2 tests make sense | 23:28 |
Drago | same | 23:28 |
anteaya | the only thing I thing needs testing here is the v2 shim stevebaker mentioned | 23:29 |
anteaya | I'm not interested in testing rax's cloud | 23:29 |
anteaya | if there is code in heat, it needs to be tested | 23:30 |
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stevebaker | anteaya: yeah, although we put things in contrib which we can't/won't test | 23:35 |
anteaya | can you expand on that? | 23:36 |
anteaya | what do you mean by contrib? | 23:36 |
anteaya | is that the same thing as the master branch of heat? | 23:37 |
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asalkeld | anteaya: just plugins that are not installed by default | 23:38 |
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asalkeld | docker/plugins that need admin to use | 23:39 |
asalkeld | some rax plugins (slowly disapearing as rax api gets closer to openstack) | 23:39 |
anteaya | okay | 23:40 |
anteaya | are these plugins packaged with heat code? | 23:40 |
anteaya | during a release? | 23:40 |
asalkeld | no | 23:40 |
anteaya | okay | 23:41 |
asalkeld | actually yes, they are in the manifest | 23:41 |
anteaya | how are they accessed for people who want them? | 23:41 |
anteaya | oh well if they are released code they should be tested | 23:41 |
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anteaya | but that is up to the project | 23:41 |
anteaya | this was the situation neutron especially was in in grizzley/havana/icehouse | 23:42 |
anteaya | that they were shipping drivers and plugins with the release that weren't tested | 23:42 |
asalkeld | yeah, it is a fuzzy area | 23:42 |
anteaya | they didn't work, so the users complained to neutron | 23:42 |
asalkeld | they are unit tested | 23:42 |
anteaya | which motivated the requirement to have third party ci | 23:43 |
asalkeld | but not functional tested | 23:43 |
anteaya | okay | 23:43 |
jamielennox | asalkeld: the keystone_v2 stuff even though it's in contrib seems fairly widely used | 23:43 |
anteaya | so this is the project's choice | 23:43 |
anteaya | the last thing I want is more third party ci's | 23:43 |
anteaya | however | 23:43 |
anteaya | whatever the choice is | 23:43 |
anteaya | it would be helpful if it was consistent with what other projects are doing | 23:43 |
anteaya | to ensure users have a consistent experience across projects | 23:44 |
asalkeld | yeah, and heat doesn't have any 3rd party ci | 23:44 |
anteaya | it really upsets users when each project approaches a problem differently | 23:44 |
anteaya | right | 23:44 |
anteaya | and if we can avoid it, oh boy, will I be advocated for that | 23:44 |
asalkeld | anteaya: what is the burden of 3rd party ci on infra? | 23:44 |
anteaya | oh my god | 23:44 |
anteaya | none of them know what they are doing | 23:45 |
* asalkeld just ignorant | 23:45 | |
anteaya | lucky you | 23:45 |
anteaya | managers send folks to us with the instructions to set one up | 23:45 |
anteaya | they know nothing about openstack | 23:45 |
anteaya | nothing about open source | 23:45 |
anteaya | some don't know how to set up an apache server for logs | 23:45 |
anteaya | they don't know how to set up an irc client | 23:46 |
asalkeld | anteaya: so the 3rd party tests don't integrate well with infra? | 23:46 |
asalkeld | or inconsistently | 23:46 |
anteaya | that is before we even get to setting up the ci | 23:46 |
anteaya | what makes you ask that? | 23:46 |
anteaya | the problem is a human resource | 23:46 |
asalkeld | anteaya: well you seem to not want more, so just trying to understand why | 23:46 |
anteaya | yes and I'm telling you | 23:47 |
asalkeld | yip | 23:47 |
anteaya | the people sent to us have none of the skills they need | 23:47 |
anteaya | to serve themselves | 23:47 |
anteaya | they don' tknow how to post to mailing lists | 23:47 |
anteaya | nothing | 23:47 |
asalkeld | yikes | 23:47 |
anteaya | then they get frustrated and blame us | 23:47 |
anteaya | exactly | 23:47 |
anteaya | so setting up the ci is hard enough | 23:47 |
anteaya | but the people being assigned to the job are the low person on the rung | 23:48 |
anteaya | who know nothing | 23:48 |
asalkeld | ok, so it's a load on infra's people more than machines | 23:48 |
anteaya | yes | 23:48 |
anteaya | mostly me | 23:48 |
asalkeld | ok :-( | 23:48 |
anteaya | so no load on infra's machines as a result of third party ci | 23:48 |
anteaya | at all | 23:48 |
anteaya | right | 23:48 |
anteaya | now you are getting it | 23:48 |
anteaya | so if heat decided you have to have third party ci, so be it | 23:48 |
anteaya | but if we can avoid it, let's explore that shall we | 23:48 |
asalkeld | sure, I understand | 23:49 |
asalkeld | thanks for the explanation | 23:49 |
anteaya | happy to share | 23:49 |
anteaya | thanks for listening | 23:49 |
anteaya | so if you do want third party ci | 23:49 |
anteaya | the way we are doing things now | 23:49 |
asalkeld | anteaya: we could get people that have done it before in other projects | 23:50 |
anteaya | is taht someone from heat volunteers and learns what needs to be done | 23:50 |
anteaya | I teach you and you teach your third party ci operators | 23:50 |
asalkeld | instead of newbies | 23:50 |
anteaya | asalkeld: who is we in your statement? | 23:50 |
asalkeld | ok, that's a good way | 23:50 |
asalkeld | (heat) | 23:50 |
asalkeld | (heat team) | 23:50 |
anteaya | can you try again, I don't know as I am following your statement | 23:51 |
asalkeld | just saying that if we need to set something up, we could try leaverage some folks that have done this before | 23:51 |
asalkeld | instead of getting a newbie to do it | 23:51 |
anteaya | we need to set something up | 23:52 |
anteaya | are you with rax you mean? | 23:52 |
anteaya | I don't expect heat to set anything up | 23:52 |
asalkeld | i am sure someone in mirantis/red hat/rax has set up ci before | 23:52 |
anteaya | just to know what to tell third party ci operators | 23:52 |
anteaya | well you are welcome to talk to any operators you can | 23:52 |
asalkeld | ok | 23:53 |
anteaya | just keep in mind to reference this: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 23:53 |
asalkeld | anteaya: i have to run (meeting) :-( | 23:53 |
anteaya | asalkeld: thanks | 23:53 |
anteaya | happy meeting | 23:53 |
asalkeld | th | 23:54 |
asalkeld | thx | 23:54 |
stevebaker | jamielennox: there is probably a good case for bring the v2 shim back into tree | 23:56 |
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