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| stevebaker | oh sweet, cross repo dependencies | 00:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Add a config option to enable Convergence https://review.openstack.org/154533 | 00:13 |
| lifeless | stevebaker: ? | 00:16 |
| stevebaker | lifeless: DependsOn: is a thing now http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056515.html | 00:17 |
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| miguelgrinberg | asalkeld: stevebaker: was just reviewing the tags database schema and that led me to realize that the stacks table does not have an index on the stack name. Was this done intentionally or is it an omission? | 00:32 |
| asalkeld | miguelgrinberg: we allowed multiple stacks with the same name for a while | 00:33 |
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| miguelgrinberg | asalkeld: that's fine, the index does not need to be unique | 00:33 |
| asalkeld | o, index | 00:33 |
| miguelgrinberg | so things like sorting or searching by name on system with lots of stacks got to be very expensive | 00:33 |
| asalkeld | does it help in our case? | 00:33 |
| asalkeld | it would be good to prove it | 00:34 |
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| miguelgrinberg | challenge accepted :) | 00:34 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: nice feature that | 00:39 |
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| zaneb | to this day I have no idea how you create an index in sqlalchemy | 00:43 |
| miguelgrinberg | zaneb: add index=True to the Column declaration | 00:44 |
| zaneb | I wouldn't be surprised if you told me we had no indices at all | 00:44 |
| miguelgrinberg | it's a bit more complex if you need an index over more than one column | 00:44 |
| zaneb | I think we should definitely have one on stack name + tenant | 00:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | not just name? | 00:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | dups can be configured to be allowed | 00:45 |
| zaneb | well, we only care about tenant-local searches | 00:45 |
| zaneb | at least when we're talking about look-ups by name | 00:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | okay, sure. Not familiar with the kind of searches that are done, but if you have a name+tenant index it may not be used for a name query alone | 00:46 |
| zaneb | only admins (operators) can even access stuff from different tenants | 00:47 |
| zaneb | and for them they will most likely be doing a list, which will return UUIDs | 00:48 |
| miguelgrinberg | then maybe separate indexes for name and tenant | 00:48 |
| zaneb | name -> UUID is basically only needed on the command line for users who remember the name of the stack but don't have the UUID handy | 00:49 |
| miguelgrinberg | yes, that's me, I always use stack names | 00:50 |
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| miguelgrinberg | and it's only a problem for large volumes of stacks, on a small system you won't see a big difference | 00:51 |
| asalkeld | jamielennox: this would be a good spec for you to review if you have time: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152309 | 00:52 |
| asalkeld | (as one of our keystone/heat cross over devs) | 00:52 |
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| jamielennox | asalkeld: done - looks generally good | 00:59 |
| asalkeld | thx | 01:00 |
| jamielennox | asalkeld: updated - atually there is a problem | 01:03 |
| asalkeld | har | 01:03 |
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| Qiming | morning! | 01:21 |
| asalkeld | hi Qiming | 01:25 |
| Qiming | asalkeld, just sent an email to you all | 01:25 |
| asalkeld | ok | 01:25 |
| asalkeld | https://ask.openstack.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:answers-asc/tags:heat/page:1/ | 01:29 |
| asalkeld | phew lots of questions | 01:30 |
| Qiming | asalkeld, want us to jump onto it? | 01:30 |
| asalkeld | Qiming: that would be great | 01:30 |
| asalkeld | just do a couple each tho' | 01:31 |
| Qiming | okay, last time I checked it, there were not so many unanswered ones | 01:31 |
| Qiming | maybe I wasn't filtering correctly | 01:31 |
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| asalkeld | here is one for stevebaker https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/27465/how-to-integrate-chef-client-server-with-openstack-heat/ | 01:47 |
| asalkeld | also https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/27456/heat-multicloud/ | 01:52 |
| asalkeld | multicloud seems like standalone to me | 01:52 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/155569 | 01:52 |
| asalkeld | Qiming: one for you -> https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/32715/how-to-use-heat-to-auto-scale-across-multiple-datacenters/ | 01:56 |
| asalkeld | seems up your street ;) | 01:56 |
| Qiming | :) roger | 01:56 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-heatclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/155582 | 02:00 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: answered | 02:11 |
| asalkeld | cool | 02:11 |
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| miguelgrinberg | ryansb: jasond``: wrote my first draft of the tagging spec for the api-wg. Please review. | 03:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155620/ | 03:16 |
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| tiantian | asalkeld: hi, I wonder why docs do not distinguish between versions? | 03:55 |
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| asalkeld | tiantian: link? | 03:58 |
| asalkeld | i thought they were available | 03:58 |
| tiantian | asalkeld: wait a moment | 03:59 |
| asalkeld | http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/ | 03:59 |
| tiantian | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/doc/source/getting_started/on_devstack.rst#adding-new-users-to-devstack | 04:00 |
| asalkeld | tiantian: in tree should follow trunk | 04:00 |
| asalkeld | tiantian: but they should archieve older versions | 04:01 |
| asalkeld | http://docs.openstack.org/juno/config-reference/content/ch_configuring-openstack-orchestration.html | 04:01 |
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| asalkeld | but it seems developer docs are not versioned | 04:01 |
| asalkeld | (from the official docs site) | 04:01 |
| tiantian | asalkeld: about the 'adding-new-users-to-devstack' should be removed, but before juno may be it's needed, so ...... | 04:03 |
| asalkeld | i see | 04:03 |
| asalkeld | tiantian: i wouldn't stress about support for "before juno" in devel docs | 04:04 |
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| asalkeld | the target audience is developers | 04:05 |
| asalkeld | not sure if there are any working on devstack+heat on icehouse | 04:06 |
| tiantian | asalkeld: I don't know:) | 04:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Remove 'adding-new-users-to-devstack' doc on_devstack.rst https://review.openstack.org/155636 | 04:16 |
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| asalkeld | urg, just as i have to head out on my bike it starts raining | 04:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed openstack/heat: Enable SSL for EC2Tokens. https://review.openstack.org/151222 | 05:26 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: what's the answer to thomas's question here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154308/3/heat/engine/service.py | 05:30 |
| asalkeld | seems like a good qu. | 05:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/155569 | 06:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Add 'ha' property for OS::Neutron::Router https://review.openstack.org/143925 | 07:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Apply neutron network constraint https://review.openstack.org/135823 | 07:46 |
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| inc0 | good morning | 08:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Skip Stack Adopt/Abandon integration tests when Stack Adopt is disabled https://review.openstack.org/152205 | 08:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Allow adding event error when state changed https://review.openstack.org/155679 | 08:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Use domain_id from auth token when not configured https://review.openstack.org/151028 | 08:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Update heat-manage.rst with service command https://review.openstack.org/155401 | 08:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Do not use volume objects in volume resources https://review.openstack.org/154429 | 08:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Split templates and tests in scenario tests https://review.openstack.org/155680 | 08:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Re-use stack_create method from base class https://review.openstack.org/155681 | 08:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Move assign_keypair method in base class https://review.openstack.org/155682 | 08:54 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Apply neutron network constraint https://review.openstack.org/135823 | 09:00 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Apply neutron port constraint https://review.openstack.org/135835 | 09:00 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Apply neutron subnet constraint https://review.openstack.org/135875 | 09:00 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Apply neutron router constraint https://review.openstack.org/135880 | 09:00 |
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| skraynev | ping huangtianhua | 09:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Add OS::Mistral::Workflow for Mistral workflows https://review.openstack.org/147645 | 09:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Add OS::Mistral::Workflow for Mistral workflows https://review.openstack.org/147645 | 09:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed openstack/heat: Move AWS::EC2::* resources to heat/engine/resources/aws/ec2 https://review.openstack.org/155689 | 09:40 |
| tiantian | skraynev: hi | 09:40 |
| skraynev | tiantian: hi, I added comment for patch with changing documentation | 09:40 |
| tiantian | looking | 09:40 |
| tiantian | skraynev: so what's your suggestion? leave it ? | 09:42 |
| skraynev | no, update | 09:42 |
| skraynev | explain how now we should use it | 09:43 |
| skraynev | that it's not required now, because ... | 09:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed openstack/heat: Enable SSL for EC2Tokens. https://review.openstack.org/151222 | 09:43 |
| skraynev | and also it may be a list | 09:43 |
| skraynev | tiantian: IMO delete this section equals to remove this option :) | 09:44 |
| tiantian | I thought to update according the optional 'trusts_delegated_roles', but the doc is for devstack default | 09:44 |
| tiantian | may be we can doc the usage on other file? | 09:45 |
| skraynev | hm | 09:47 |
| skraynev | make sense | 09:47 |
| tiantian | due the devstack script do not add any 'trusts_delegated_roles' | 09:47 |
| skraynev | agree | 09:47 |
| skraynev | could you move this info to another doc ? | 09:47 |
| skraynev | it will be ok for me | 09:48 |
| shardy | tiantian, skraynev: which doc are you talking about? | 09:48 |
| skraynev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155636/1/doc/source/getting_started/on_devstack.rst | 09:48 |
| skraynev | shardy: ^ | 09:48 |
| tiantian | ok, will do, I think we can make a doc for some config options | 09:48 |
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| shardy | skraynev: thanks | 09:48 |
| shardy | FWIW, I've been meaning (for a long time) to refactor my blog posts about trusts and stack domain users into some heat documentation | 09:49 |
| tiantian | for the config options usage not only 'trusts_delegated_roles' | 09:49 |
| shardy | perhaps we could do that and document what trusts_delegated_roles does in there | 09:49 |
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| skraynev | shardy: awesome idea | 09:49 |
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| skraynev | honestly I am tired to point guys with questions about domain and trust om your blogpost :) | 09:50 |
| shardy | If anyone wants to help with that, feel free to cut/paste my blog text into a patch and add me as a Co-Author | 09:50 |
| skraynev | shardy: I think it should be a part of heat documentation :) | 09:50 |
| shardy | skraynev: I agree, I've just been too busy to actually do it :( | 09:51 |
| skraynev | I understand. same for me ;) | 09:51 |
| skraynev | but I know one guy who can :) | 09:51 |
| tiantian | I will do it | 09:52 |
| skraynev | :) | 09:52 |
| tiantian | shardy: blog link? | 09:54 |
| shardy | I guess really we need to start a deployment guide here: | 09:55 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/ | 09:55 |
| shardy | I don't see anything for Orchestration there yet.. | 09:55 |
| shardy | tiantian: http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/heat-auth-model-updates-part-1-trusts.html | 09:55 |
| shardy | and http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/heat-auth-model-updates-part-2-stack.html | 09:56 |
| shardy | tiantian: If you do have time to start something that would be awesome, I'll be happy to help and review | 09:58 |
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| tiantian | shardy: thanks:) | 09:58 |
| pas-ha | morning all | 09:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Move assign_keypair method in base class https://review.openstack.org/155682 | 10:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack/heat: Re-use stack_create method from base class https://review.openstack.org/155681 | 10:00 |
| tiantian | go home now, bye:) | 10:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 10:01 |
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| asalkeld | shardy: when you have a moment. | 11:57 |
| asalkeld | we still have some issues | 11:57 |
| asalkeld | preview does not store anything in the db | 11:57 |
| asalkeld | so we end up having 2 very different modes | 11:57 |
| asalkeld | validate/preview are in memory | 11:57 |
| asalkeld | and everything else is via rpc | 11:58 |
| asalkeld | this makes it very messy | 11:58 |
| asalkeld | root_stack is also evil | 11:58 |
| asalkeld | it recurses all stacks | 11:59 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Hey, hmm, can we justify recuring via RPC for validate/preview? | 11:59 |
| asalkeld | shardy: we won't be able to lookup via db tho' | 11:59 |
| asalkeld | nothing in the db | 11:59 |
| asalkeld | anyway, just talking out loud | 12:00 |
| shardy | gah, so we can't do the ancestor check | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | i have another plan for that | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | in the environment.child_environment | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | we "pop" a template resource when it is use | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | used | 12:00 |
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| shardy | Ah, and compare the nested depth to the environment template resource depth? | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | not really | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/environment.py#L440 | 12:03 |
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| shardy | Ah, so you remove the template resource from the registry for all stacks below the template resource stack in the tree | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | basically remove a 'res_type: nested.yaml' from the envirmonment once used | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | yip | 12:04 |
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| asalkeld | but the next problem is root_stack | 12:05 |
| shardy | cool, sounds like a plan :) | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | esp. in preview | 12:05 |
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| asalkeld | so i wonder how preview is going to work in convergence | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | and this particular total resource check | 12:15 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: yeah, that total resource check seems bogus to me anyway, given that most resources are limited by service quotas anyway | 12:16 |
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| shardy | so max stacks per tenant and maybe a max nested depth should be enough | 12:17 |
| shardy | you're right about root_stack being evil :( | 12:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed openstack/heat: convergence sync_point db https://review.openstack.org/155732 | 12:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed openstack/heat: Add OS::Mistral::Workflow for Mistral workflows https://review.openstack.org/147645 | 13:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Split templates and tests in scenario tests https://review.openstack.org/155680 | 13:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Re-use stack_create method from base class https://review.openstack.org/155681 | 13:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed openstack/heat: convergence sync_point db https://review.openstack.org/155732 | 13:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/heat: Move assign_keypair method in base class https://review.openstack.org/155682 | 13:57 |
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| ryansb | miguelgrinberg: feedback posted | 15:36 |
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| bdossant | hi! When is OS::Heat::HARestarter being deprecated? Kilo or M? | 16:02 |
| bdossant | it needs the observer/convergence right? | 16:02 |
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| ryansb | it's already deprecated | 16:03 |
| ryansb | (in kilo) | 16:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Drago proposed openstack/heat: Fix Keystoneclient V2 wrapper for multi-region https://review.openstack.org/155798 | 16:03 |
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| ryansb | in juno it's supported | 16:04 |
| ryansb | I don't know when it will be removed though | 16:04 |
| ryansb | bdossant: ^ | 16:04 |
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| bdossant | do you how the HA will work after? | 16:05 |
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| bdossant | ryansb: how will we notify that a resource needs to be restarted? | 16:06 |
| ryansb | so deprecation means the resource is still there but prints a warning | 16:06 |
| bdossant | yeah ok | 16:07 |
| ryansb | so at least until the end of kilo (which won't be released for 2 more months) | 16:07 |
| ryansb | you can use HARestarter as usual | 16:07 |
| bdossant | what about the future? | 16:07 |
| ryansb | Convergence will replace most of what HARestarter does | 16:07 |
| bdossant | exactly | 16:07 |
| ryansb | e.g. with autoscaling groups, nested stacks, etc | 16:07 |
| ryansb | since convergence will be able to react to changes in resource states, you won't need an harestarter-style trigger | 16:08 |
| ryansb | can you tell me more about your particular use case? | 16:08 |
| bdossant | a simple web server | 16:09 |
| bdossant | if you have the cfntools checking the httpd daemon status | 16:09 |
| bdossant | right now you can use the harestarter to delete and create a new status | 16:09 |
| bdossant | *server | 16:10 |
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| bdossant | or you can you just a ceilometer alarm | 16:11 |
| bdossant | if the harestarter resource is removed | 16:12 |
| bdossant | how will we associate the alarm with the resource? | 16:13 |
| ryansb | yeah, you'd use a ceilometer alarm I believe. I'm not totally sure so if someone else wants to chime in that'd be great | 16:13 |
| pas-ha | bdossant, not for now, there is (stale?) innitiative by shardy to proxy cfntool pushes to ceilometer | 16:13 |
| pas-ha | otherwise you can not associate a ceilometer alarm with some in-instance metrics | 16:14 |
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| bdossant | ok i see a trend of converging all the monitoring via ceilometer | 16:16 |
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| ryansb | basically heat isn't a monitoring service (we're orchestration) so we want to consume monitoring from somewhere else | 16:16 |
| bdossant | y | 16:16 |
| ryansb | but convergence will let us react better to changes outside heat | 16:17 |
| bdossant | makes totally sense | 16:17 |
| bdossant | i think my question is more syntax based | 16:17 |
| ryansb | so you won't necessarily need an HARestarter when convergence can use health checks for, say, an autoscaling group | 16:17 |
| ryansb | I see, not sure that's hammered out yet. | 16:17 |
| bdossant | all right | 16:18 |
| ryansb | but we won't get rid of HARestarter without there being a real, useful alternative | 16:18 |
| * ryansb brb, food time | 16:19 | |
| bdossant | ok great | 16:19 |
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| sparr | I have a heat stack defined with two servers that do the same job. I'd like to add a third. What's the right way to go about that? | 17:19 |
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| shardy | sparr: OS::Heat::ResourceGroup is convenient when you want to scale out identical resources | 17:22 |
| shardy | https://github.com/hardys/demo_templates/blob/master/juno_summit_intro_to_heat/example3_server_with_volume_group/server_with_volume_group.yaml | 17:22 |
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| shardy | That said, if you don't want to replace the servers you have, cut/paste followed by stack-update may be better | 17:23 |
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| max_lobur | Hi Folks! Anybody have a few minutes to tell me a little bit how SoftwareConfig / SoftwareDeployment resources work under the hood? | 17:27 |
| shardy | max_lobur: This summit video is a good starting point: | 17:28 |
| shardy | https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-atlanta-2014/session-videos/presentation/application-software-configuration-using-heat | 17:28 |
| max_lobur | sweet, thanks! lemme see if it answers my questions | 17:29 |
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| sparr | shardy: if I can get our deployment working properly, I won't mind replacing the servers we have. | 17:35 |
| shardy | sparr: Ah, ResourceGroup might be good then: | 17:36 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Heat::ResourceGroup | 17:36 |
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| sdake | dims__ tbh I'm no tsure what it does besides offer me a phone ;-) | 18:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat-specs: Convergence Database schema changes https://review.openstack.org/152302 | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat-specs: Push instead of pull resource input data https://review.openstack.org/152303 | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat-specs: Convergence base workflow https://review.openstack.org/152305 | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat-specs: Convergence message bus https://review.openstack.org/152304 | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat-specs: Convergence simulator test scenarios https://review.openstack.org/152307 | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat-specs: Convergence special cases https://review.openstack.org/152306 | 18:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | ryansb: thanks, looking at the feedback now | 18:24 |
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| max_lobur | back from summit recording about SoftwareDeployment | 19:28 |
| max_lobur | shardy: r u around? If you have time I would like to ask a few more questions | 19:28 |
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| mzbik_ | #neutron | 19:52 |
| mzbik_ | ups | 19:52 |
| max_lobur | looks like he's gone. Anybody else is familiar how SoftwareConfig / SoftwareDeployment works under the hood? | 19:55 |
| max_lobur | I'm interested whether it always uses heat-api-cfn to pull configs, or can be configured differently | 19:56 |
| max_lobur | and why it creates users in keystone under the hood, whether this can be shut off | 19:56 |
| max_lobur | (Icehouse release) | 19:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/heat-specs: Keystone native resources https://review.openstack.org/152309 | 22:16 |
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| alextricity_r | Hello :) Has anybody had a software deployment get stuck on them? | 22:43 |
| alextricity_r | I see that my software config script finishes when I log into the VM, but the heat stack never moves to the "completed" state | 22:43 |
| alextricity_r | Running on 2014.2.2 | 22:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Lazarev proposed openstack/heat: [DOC] Minor - fixed typo in file extension https://review.openstack.org/155912 | 23:01 |
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