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| elynn | Hi guys, I have a question about using stack in horizon. | 09:21 |
| elynn | In the template https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/autoscaling.yaml | 09:22 |
| elynn | It using another template lb_server.yaml | 09:23 |
| therve | Yeah that doesn't work | 09:23 |
| elynn | How can I both upload these two template in horizon? | 09:23 |
| elynn | fine.... | 09:23 |
| stevebaker | elynn: you could load your base resource via a network URL, and it should load the other templates that have relative paths | 09:28 |
| stevebaker | elynn: I mean base template | 09:30 |
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| elynn | stevebaker, Hmmm...I will try :) | 09:41 |
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| elynn | stevebaker, Do you have time to approve this patch ? https://review.openstack.org/132980 | 09:42 |
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| elynn | And I also need a quick review and merge for patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132955/, it's blocking our release. If you have time, please give some feedback :) | 09:43 |
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| elynn | Now back to horizon question, so if horizon can't access to internet, then we can only use command line to deploy these nested stack? | 09:45 |
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| stevebaker | elynn: yes. It is not a great situation. There was a POC where horizon prompts for the extra files but the author has moved on. There is still no great interest in putting all the templates in a zip upload | 09:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Tetiana Lashchova proposed a change to openstack/heat: Deny to create stack on an openstack which doesn't have Neutron https://review.openstack.org/132305 | 09:52 |
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| elynn | stevebaker, thanks :) Seems horizon is not fit for heat. | 09:58 |
| elynn | Work off and heading home! | 10:02 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: AFAIK jomara is still interested in it, but the patch ended up huge and there's been little review feedback | 10:04 |
| stevebaker | shardy: He has just left red hat, so I assumed he won't be working on it now | 10:05 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Oh really, that I did not know | 10:05 |
| shardy | That's not a great situation then :( | 10:05 |
| shardy | He pinged me a couple of weeks ago looking for reviews, so I assumed it was still in-progress | 10:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Implement restore operation https://review.openstack.org/124413 | 10:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Implement snapshot operations https://review.openstack.org/124412 | 10:07 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: yeah, he finished this week afaik | 10:10 |
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| shardy | therve: FYI just added a response to bug #1390112 | 10:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1390112 in heat "Invalid parameter defaults can't be overriden" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390112 | 10:33 |
| therve | Looking | 10:33 |
| shardy | It is a weird one, maybe the right answer is tripleo shouldn't have parameter defaults in their templates | 10:34 |
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| shardy | but it's odd doing static validation of custom constraints tool, as the only validation which matters in that case is what happens at runtime | 10:34 |
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| shardy | I agree we should still fail schema validation in template-validate if say someone does default: "foo" for a number parameter | 10:35 |
| shardy | the question is should we still fail if they've defined a valid parameter in their environment | 10:35 |
| therve | Yeah | 10:35 |
| shardy | If the consensus is definitely "yes", I'll look into changing the tripleo templates | 10:35 |
| therve | And I see your point that failing validate-template for custom constraints may not be that useful | 10:36 |
| shardy | I'm kinda on the fence about it | 10:36 |
| therve | I think it depends on the complexity of the fix | 10:36 |
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| shardy | Making CustomConstraint not validate defaults is easy, we just override the _validate_default method I think | 10:36 |
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| robert2 | someone knows what is the channel that can see the "heat constributor meeting" in Kilo Design Summit? | 10:37 |
| shardy | therve: the other option is to not always validate the default here: | 10:38 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/parameters.py#L226 | 10:38 |
| stevebaker | shardy, therve: StevenK is writing a patch for that, he just showed me | 10:38 |
| shardy | e.g just validate value() which will validate either the default or whatever is provided | 10:38 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, I started one yesterday but will stop if he's already on it | 10:39 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: I told him about your bug | 10:39 |
| shardy | stevebaker: see the discussion in the bug, it's a tradeoff whatever we do IMO | 10:39 |
| therve | robert2, What do you mean? | 10:39 |
| shardy | robert2: AFAIK there's no way to remotely participate, unfortunately | 10:39 |
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| shardy | (other than chatting with folks here :) | 10:40 |
| robert2 | thanks | 10:40 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: I am assuming we can just not validate the default, and make sure that later validation does validate the default if no value is set | 10:41 |
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| robert2 | shardy, what are they discussing now? Roughly please. | 10:41 |
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| shardy | robert2: I have no idea, as I'm not there, unfortunately | 10:42 |
| robert2 | shardy, oh. I see. thanks. | 10:42 |
| stevebaker | robert2: convergence breaking up into achievable tasks https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-summit-topics | 10:43 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Yes, but that runs the risk of allowing dodgy templates with wrong defaults that don't match the schema, like the "foo" number default mentioned by therve | 10:43 |
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| shardy | maybe that's acceptable, I couldn't really decide yesterday | 10:43 |
| robert2 | woo great! thanks you stevebaker! | 10:43 |
| shardy | The alternative seems to be special default (non) validation for CustomConstraints | 10:44 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: he is going to add some asserts to ensure validation does happen later | 10:44 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, cool, I'll reassign the bug to StevenK then | 10:45 |
| shardy | added some notes about the approaches I investigated | 10:46 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: you could ping him in #tripleo | 10:47 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, I did yesterday, maybe I'll try again | 10:47 |
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| stevebaker | we are now walking through this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109012/ | 10:49 |
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| lxsli_ | Hiya, anyone able to help me with my Coalesce function please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132996/ | 12:49 |
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| lxsli_ | I know the function itself works but when I try to evaluate a HOT snippet it doesn't seem to recognise the function... I've added it to HOTemplate20141016.functions | 12:50 |
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| lxsli_ | shardy: got a second to look at that? | 12:55 |
| shardy | lxsli_: Sure, I've pulled your patch and looking now | 12:55 |
| lxsli_ | <3 thanks | 12:55 |
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| therve | lxsli_, You *probably* want to have a spec for that change | 12:56 |
| therve | Not that I want to break your spirit | 12:56 |
| shardy | yeah, agreed | 12:56 |
| lxsli_ | therve: sure np, I'll write one when i get back | 12:56 |
| shardy | also, we'll probably have to bump the HOT version now that juno is released | 12:56 |
| shardy | but we can figure that out once it's working :) | 12:56 |
| lxsli_ | Yeah I figured as much - consider this a draft impl | 12:57 |
| stevebaker | lxsli_: I think I would prefer a spec which covers adding "data manipulation fuctions" so we meet all needs rather than ad-hoc function addition | 12:57 |
| shardy | stevebaker: well, that was why I suggested a ML discussion first, then spec :) | 12:58 |
| stevebaker | shardy: yup | 12:58 |
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| shardy | I guess we can try to reach consensus about what that function might look like, then define it in a spec | 12:58 |
| shardy | I'm still not sure what the best interface will look like tbh | 12:58 |
| therve | Zane raised a fair point about using conditionals | 12:58 |
| shardy | yup | 12:59 |
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| shardy | lxsli_: It seems to work OK for me (although the test_hot is failing) | 13:04 |
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| shardy | lxsli_: Actually wait, I think that's wrong | 13:07 |
| shardy | I had it in an output, in a resource property it's not working | 13:08 |
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| shardy | lxsli_: Right, sorry - it's working OK http://fpaste.org/148660/65910141/ | 13:12 |
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| shardy | I pulled your patch, did python setup.py install, then restarted heat-engine | 13:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrea Rosa proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add validation constraints on config inputs https://review.openstack.org/105496 | 13:39 |
| shardy | Does anyone have any tips for debugging python3 specific test failures like this? | 13:45 |
| shardy | http://fpaste.org/148668/36793114/ | 13:45 |
| shardy | Seems like an import error but I'm not sure how to see what/why | 13:46 |
| shardy | I've got python3 on my system, but heatclient is only installed in the 2.7 site packages, so I can't just try it interactively | 13:46 |
| shardy | (or can I?) | 13:47 |
| * shardy sighs | 13:47 | |
| shardy | testr errors are so opaque sometimes :( | 13:47 |
| stevebaker | shardy: tox -epy33? | 13:48 |
| shardy | stevebaker: that is the output from tox -epy33 | 13:49 |
| shardy | It tells me there's import errors, but I'm not sure how to discover what import errors | 13:49 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: you can do .tox/py33/bin/python -m testtools.run discover heat.tests.... | 13:51 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: ooh, that helps, thanks! :) | 13:52 |
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| lxsli_ | shardy: I lost IRC sorry - did you see anything? | 14:02 |
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| shardy | lxsli_: I pulled your patch and it works OK for me | 14:04 |
| shardy | lxsli_: is it just the test_hot.py failure you have issues with, or does stack-create also fail? | 14:05 |
| shardy | lxsli_: http://fpaste.org/148660/65910141/ | 14:05 |
| shardy | I pulled your patch, did python setup.py install, then restarted heat-engine | 14:06 |
| shardy | the stack-create coalesce works, but running test_hot.py doesn't atm | 14:06 |
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| lxsli_ | that's interesting! Thank you! | 14:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed a change to openstack/heat: Improve Property error msg for properties validate https://review.openstack.org/127150 | 14:12 |
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| lxsli_ | shardy: caught up with prior discussion now... it's the py27 CI job that's failing, not python3? | 14:32 |
| shardy | lxsli_: my python3 questions weren't related to your patch | 14:32 |
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| elynn_ | Evening ：） | 14:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tetiana Lashchova proposed a change to openstack/heat: Deny to create stack on an openstack which doesn't have Neutron https://review.openstack.org/132305 | 15:06 |
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| pscheie | shardy, regarding http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/using-heat-resourcegroup-resources.html | 16:24 |
| pscheie | shardy, is it necessary that the ResourceGroup be defined in a separate file? | 16:25 |
| shardy | pscheie: separate to what? | 16:25 |
| shardy | You need to define a ResourceGroup in a template, which references another template (two files) or a provider resource (three files, two templates and an environment) | 16:26 |
| shardy | pscheie: I don't believe you can define the nested template inline, if that's what you mean? | 16:27 |
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| pscheie | Yes, inline is what I meant. | 16:27 |
| shardy | Aha, yeah there was discussion about enabling that but it's not currently possible | 16:27 |
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| pscheie | ATM, each of our environments is defined in its own template. | 16:28 |
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| pscheie | Going to multiple templates for an environment is just...different. | 16:28 |
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| pscheie | I seem to recall thinking a year-and-a-half ago that it would be convenient to split templates up into multiple files. | 16:29 |
| shardy | pscheie: Ah, I see - well FWIW the idea of nested templates, provider resources & environments is to get away from the one-huge-template model, and enable easier reuse and composition | 16:30 |
| pscheie | But then just got used to doing everything in a single template. | 16:30 |
| pscheie | shardy, right, multiple files for templates makes more sense in the long run. | 16:30 |
| pscheie | Change is hard. | 16:30 |
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| shardy | pscheie: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124619/ | 16:32 |
| shardy | That is the spec for inline templates, although personally I'm not keen on the interface proposed there | 16:33 |
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| pscheie | I think nested templates probably makes more sense ultimately. | 16:35 |
| pscheie | I'm just not used to thinking about it that way yet. | 16:35 |
| pscheie | Give me a few months and I'll probably never want to go back to single large templates. | 16:36 |
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| pscheie | shardy, I assume I can define multiple resource groups in a single template, yes? | 16:39 |
| shardy | pscheie: yes, absolutely | 16:39 |
| pscheie | In some (many? all?) of our environments, some apps only require one instance, while others require multiple, in varying numbers. | 16:41 |
| pscheie | So, the resource group template becomes the "top" of the hierarchy, with calls out to other templates as needed. (just thinking out loud here) | 16:43 |
| shardy | pscheie: basically yes, although there's nothing to stop you from defining ResourceGroups in nested templates, like any other resource | 16:44 |
| shardy | (other than max_nested_stack_depth in heat.conf) | 16:44 |
| pscheie | shardy, yeah, that's what I had started with, but it was getting ugly. | 16:44 |
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| pscheie | I think keeping a top level template that has individual resources for instances and resource groups that reference external files as needed seems cleaner. | 16:45 |
| pscheie | That way, the secondary templates can be quite simple. | 16:46 |
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| shardy | pscheie: yup, that sounds sensible :) | 16:51 |
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| steel13 | i'm using OS::Heat::AutoScalingGroup, and i need to retrieve de ip address of all instances created by AutoScalingGroup, this is possible?? if it is, how i can diferentiate the the ip addresss/vms? | 16:59 |
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| pscheie | shardy, can I pull a resource from an external template within the parts: section of a MultipartMime resource? | 17:20 |
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| pscheie | shardy, see http://paste.openstack.org/show/130585/ | 17:21 |
| pscheie | can I put resources such as GeneralUserData into a separate template file? | 17:22 |
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| shardy | pscheie: Yes, you'd change get_resource to get_param and pass the resource reference in via a parameter | 18:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Move to oslo.serialization https://review.openstack.org/131826 | 18:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Convert strutils to oslo.utils.encodeutils https://review.openstack.org/131827 | 18:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Convert importutils to oslo.utils https://review.openstack.org/131828 | 18:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Remove remaining deprecated oslo-incubator modules https://review.openstack.org/131829 | 18:38 |
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| pscheie | shardy, why do I have to use get_param instead of type as used with resource_def? | 21:00 |
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