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| skraynev | good day | 07:48 |
| skraynev | shardy: could you remind me, if bug was marked as backport potential who should upload this patch for stable branch? May I do it myself? | 07:49 |
| shardy | morning all | 07:53 |
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| shardy | skraynev: Yes, anyone can propose stable backports, so please do :) | 07:54 |
| skraynev | shardy: cool, thanks. p.s. Morning :) | 07:54 |
| shardy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Proposing_Fixes | 07:54 |
| shardy | Note that when you cherry-pick the backport, the ChangeId should stay the same as the patch that landed in master | 07:55 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I3f1b70b78b91bfac9af5fadb71140679b208c999,n,z | 07:55 |
| shardy | example ^^ | 07:55 |
| skraynev | got it. Thanks for the clarification and good example. | 07:56 |
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| shardy | Anyone understand launchpad tags? | 08:06 |
| shardy | I don't see why tagging this bug, tagged tripleo isn't in this list: | 08:07 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=tripleo | 08:07 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1384750 | 08:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1384750 in heat "Deleting with an in-progress stack update can fail" [High,Triaged] | 08:07 |
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| therve | shardy, It's in the list for me | 08:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Record the updated_time for nested_stack https://review.openstack.org/130480 | 08:18 |
| mc__ | g'day everybody. In the HOT autoscaling example, there's a web_server_scaleup_policy method and a cpu_alarm_high method. The first one is also offered as a webhook. But the second one has parameters like statistic, threshold etc. This confuses me, as I thought, Ceilometer has this parameters in its alarm-settings saved, and only when they are matched, the webhook is called. What did I missunterstand? | 08:20 |
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| Qiming_ | mc__, where are you confused? | 08:23 |
| mc__ | why does Heat stores alarm parameter, since they are already saved in Ceilometer? | 08:24 |
| therve | It stores them to send it to ceilometer | 08:25 |
| Qiming_ | umh, mc__, ^^ | 08:25 |
| mc__ | oh. I see. Thats because its a OS::Ceilometer::Alarm? | 08:25 |
| Qiming_ | yes, a ceilometer alarm modeled in Heat as a resource | 08:26 |
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| mc__ | excecuting the HOT initializes the ceilometer alarms set in the template? - thats smart :) | 08:27 |
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| therve | That's basically all Heat does :) | 08:27 |
| mc__ | so Heat can also manipulate every other openStack component by defining a resource there? | 08:28 |
| Qiming_ | mc__, s/manipulate/orchestrate mostly/, :) | 08:29 |
| shardy | therve: that is weird, I've tried two different browsers and I only see two bugs in the tag query | 08:30 |
| therve | shardy, Me too, but the bug you mentioned is there | 08:30 |
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| mc__ | When I change values in HOT, is somewhere an onChange() Listener set, so the changes are updated immediately or must I execute some scripts or service restarts? | 08:31 |
| shardy | therve: oh wow, I really need another coffee | 08:31 |
| therve | Heh | 08:32 |
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| therve | mc__, What do you mean? When you edit the file on your laptop? :) | 08:32 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, i also only see 2 bugs with tripeo | 08:33 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I got confused, because I tagged three, then added tripleo to the official tags list | 08:33 |
| mc__ | therve: for example, when the user sets his autoscaling policy on his own | 08:33 |
| shardy | it looks like I need to re-tag one of them (not the one I mentioned, that was just me being half asleep still) | 08:33 |
| asalkeld | now there is 3 | 08:34 |
| shardy | great, finally got there, thanks :) | 08:34 |
| therve | mc__, How does he set it? | 08:34 |
| mc__ | therve: I guess it's an API request from the frontend | 08:35 |
| shardy | mc__: have you tried using heat? | 08:35 |
| therve | So that's how heat knows about it? | 08:35 |
| shardy | that may be the best way to answer some of these questions | 08:35 |
| mc__ | I try to understand how it works first. sorry, that was just my next question on my list, I should look for it on my own - I know. | 08:37 |
| shardy | mc__: some of us have given "intro to heat talks", there are links to blogs and presentation materials here: | 08:37 |
| shardy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat | 08:38 |
| shardy | In particular, these handouts may provide the overview you're looking for: | 08:38 |
| shardy | https://github.com/zaneb/presentations/releases | 08:38 |
| shardy | https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-atlanta-2014/session-videos/presentation/introduction-to-openstack-orchestration | 08:40 |
| shardy | mc__: ^^ There is also that presentation which zaneb and I gave at the last summit, which you may find relevant | 08:40 |
| asalkeld | https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=openstack+heat | 08:40 |
| asalkeld | or watch the movie | 08:40 |
| asalkeld | wow 7 pages of results | 08:41 |
| mc__ | whoow, okay, I'll do that. thanks a lot. | 08:42 |
| asalkeld | shardy, on youtube :) -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M87R8qoCga8 | 08:42 |
| asalkeld | see the mug behind the nick | 08:42 |
| * shardy cringes ;) | 08:43 | |
| mc__ | Heat - the movie. Sounds exciting. Wait, I'll just prepare the popcorn :D | 08:43 |
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| asalkeld | damn, shardy is busy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3V6MFUg3vk | 08:47 |
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| mc__ | great! Ok, thanks for supp! goodbye | 08:53 |
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| randallburt | ooh. double steve vision | 08:55 |
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| inc0 | let heat do autohealing and there will be much more videos:> ;) | 09:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move to oslo.middlware request_id module https://review.openstack.org/128268 | 09:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove oslo middleware.base module https://review.openstack.org/128269 | 09:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove oslo sslutils https://review.openstack.org/128270 | 09:06 |
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| inc0 | guys, I'm looking at stack_delete in dbapi...is there any reason why we hard delete resources and soft delete stack? Shouldn't we soft-delete all? | 09:34 |
| shardy | inc0: soft delete is only to provide an audit trail (persist events, primarily) | 09:35 |
| shardy | we don't need to waste space persisting the resource rows to do that | 09:35 |
| inc0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1353670 I'm writing in reference to this bug, if we would soft-delete all we could generate post-abandon tpl at any point of time right? | 09:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1353670 in heat "Stack Abandon is unsafe" [High,Triaged] | 09:36 |
| shardy | inc0: Yes, but IMHO we don't want to do that | 09:37 |
| shardy | not only does it waste space, it keeps potentially sensitive user data hanging around after we've "deleted" it | 09:37 |
| shardy | abandon/adopt is unsafe for all sorts of reasons anyway | 09:38 |
| shardy | I like zaneb's proposal of an intermediate state, where the stack is ABANDON_COMPLETE, but not deleted | 09:39 |
| shardy | Maybe we could have a heat stack-abandon --i-feel-lucky which does both operations combined (as it currently does) | 09:40 |
| inc0 | quite frankly I'm very cautious when it comes to deleting things, I've had to use all sorts of strange historical data in past, for administrative purposes and debug | 09:40 |
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| inc0 | storage is cheap, data can be very expensive | 09:40 |
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| shardy | inc0: my main concern is security rather than storage really, so if such a feature were added, I personally would like to se it defaulted to off | 09:42 |
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| shardy | e.g we'd have to store all the resource_data and user_creds rows to enable full reproduction of the abandon data, which is something I think we should delete as soon as we can | 09:43 |
| inc0 | shardy, we do store this data anyway, and any real op is backing it up, so we don't really lose security with that...we just limit fallout if anything | 09:43 |
| shardy | Also, once you've abandoned a stack, you have no idea if most of that data is valid anyway | 09:43 |
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| shardy | inc0: You're increasing the time it's potentially accessible via a user-visible API surface, vs backed up via some operator visible DB interface | 09:45 |
| shardy | I'm -1 on the idea, but that doesn't stop someone proposing it if it's an important feature for them | 09:46 |
| inc0 | well, I'm thinking about that...adding one step between abandon and really abandon seems a bit hacky to me | 09:47 |
| inc0 | how about just storing internally post-abandon tpl? | 09:47 |
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| shardy | inc0: feel free to add your more optimal suggestion to the bug ;) | 09:47 |
| shardy | inc0: same problems as all those I just mentioned | 09:47 |
| shardy | IMO it's not hacky, it's actually better aligned with out other actions | 09:47 |
| inc0 | shardy, I'm doing that right now;) and asking if that makes sense;) | 09:48 |
| shardy | something transitioning from ABANDON_IN_PROGRESS to deleted doesn't actually fit well with anything else we do | 09:48 |
| shardy | what zane propses does though, and it avoids all of the pitfalls I just described | 09:48 |
| shardy | (all IMHO ;) | 09:48 |
| shardy | inc0: the biggest one is, if we store the data, we *know* it will be invalidated by lifecycle actions on the stack when adopted by another heat | 09:49 |
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| shardy | so, after some indeterminate amount of time, it becomes useless, but we keep storing it anyway | 09:50 |
| inc0 | shardy, exactly the definition of a backup;) | 09:50 |
| shardy | How do operators know when it's safe to purge the stored data? | 09:50 |
| inc0 | thing is, can we be 100% sure that this data is useless? | 09:51 |
| inc0 | usually its policy based, after few years | 09:51 |
| shardy | inc0: yes, unless you have an audit trail of where it's been adopted (in which case you have the data there) | 09:51 |
| shardy | as soon as the stack is adopted, all that data becomes invalidated | 09:52 |
| inc0 | shardy, I'm not saying we should adopt same rows..in fact I'd create new ones | 09:52 |
| shardy | inc0: IMO we should go to ABANDON_COMPLETE, where the operator can re-request the data as many times as they want | 09:52 |
| inc0 | can we connect abandon action with adopt? | 09:52 |
| Qiming_ | nice weekend, guys! | 09:52 |
| shardy | but on delete, it should be removed | 09:52 |
| inc0 | Qiming_, cya | 09:53 |
| shardy | there's nothing to stop users copying the data from abandon as many times as they want | 09:53 |
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| shardy | there are better data stores for it than heat's DB, IMO | 09:53 |
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| shardy | inc0: you could write a little script which did easily enough | 09:54 |
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| inc0 | sure, I know its possible, I just delete data very raretly, and that saved me many times actually | 09:55 |
| inc0 | I'll think about this one | 09:56 |
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| inc0 | I'm very curious about adapt thing, because one of question I was kept asked about is how to run my HA proposition (one on top of convergence) on deployments without heat | 09:56 |
| inc0 | it does seem to be feature people would like to see production ready:) | 09:57 |
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| zaneb | viktors: matadata? ;) | 13:18 |
| viktors | zaneb: oups :) | 13:18 |
| viktors | it's just a proof-of-concept at the moment | 13:19 |
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| zaneb | shardy: https://github.com/zaneb/presentations/tree/heat-beyond-basics <- some diagrams | 15:34 |
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| shardy | zaneb: thanks! | 15:38 |
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| pas-ha | wow | 17:22 |
| pas-ha | ^) | 17:23 |
| pas-ha | :) | 17:23 |
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| Firespirit | hi.. I work with powershell and python 2.7.8 and when i do a noge get-password command i go tthis error: ERROR (UnicodeDecodeError): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position 23: ordinal not in range(128) | 19:03 |
| Firespirit | can someone help me with that? | 19:03 |
| Firespirit | hi.. I work with powershell and python 2.7.8 and when i do a nova get-password command i go tthis error: ERROR (UnicodeDecodeError): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position 23: ordinal not in range(128) | 19:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | William C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Spec for stack lifecycle scheduler hint https://review.openstack.org/130294 | 19:51 |
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| Firespirit | hi.. I work with powershell and python 2.7.8 and when i do a nova get-password command i go tthis error: ERROR (UnicodeDecodeError): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position 23: ordinal not in range(128) | 20:32 |
| Firespirit | can someone help me with that? | 20:32 |
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