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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement barbican client plugin https://review.openstack.org/98684 | 01:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Port rackspace clients to client plugins https://review.openstack.org/98687 | 01:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement marconi client plugin https://review.openstack.org/98683 | 01:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add log output about HTTP calls in cinderclient https://review.openstack.org/104745 | 02:12 |
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| elynn | morning all :) | 02:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use setuptools to install contrib plugins https://review.openstack.org/103441 | 02:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Only support client plugins https://review.openstack.org/98688 | 02:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Glance, swift use ignore_not_found() https://review.openstack.org/100424 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement keystone client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97985 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement heat client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97984 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Client plugin exception handling methods https://review.openstack.org/100421 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move network constraint to neutron plugin https://review.openstack.org/100420 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Neutron use ignore_not_found() https://review.openstack.org/100423 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Nova use ignore_not_found() https://review.openstack.org/100422 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move nova_utils functions to nova client plugin https://review.openstack.org/101782 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Store clients in context https://review.openstack.org/98935 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move glance_utils functions to glance client plugin https://review.openstack.org/100419 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement barbican client plugin https://review.openstack.org/98684 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use config region_name_for_services for rackspace clients https://review.openstack.org/98686 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Port rackspace clients to client plugins https://review.openstack.org/98687 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove function get_software_config https://review.openstack.org/101396 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Cinder, trove, ceilo use ignore_not_found() https://review.openstack.org/101397 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement marconi client plugin https://review.openstack.org/98683 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use stevedore to load client plugins https://review.openstack.org/97976 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement nova client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97977 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement swift client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97978 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement glance client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97979 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement neutron client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97980 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement cinder client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97981 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement trove client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97982 | 02:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement ceilometer client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97983 | 02:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: HOT intrinisic function list_join like Fn::Join https://review.openstack.org/102718 | 03:41 |
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| skraynev | Good morning | 04:53 |
| Qiming | hi, a question about using git | 04:57 |
| Qiming | if I'm working on some patches still under review, and my devstack environment is gone, how can I recover my local git review environment on another machine? | 04:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Sleep before stopping threads for delete https://review.openstack.org/103716 | 05:13 |
| elynn | qiming, git review -d <review_id> | 05:13 |
| Qiming | elynn, thanks, that will help recover the patch set information as well? | 05:14 |
| elynn | qiming, will get the latest patchset. | 05:15 |
| Qiming | elynn, and the change-id will be recovered? | 05:16 |
| elynn | Yes, chang-id is set in commit message. | 05:17 |
| Qiming | elynn, okay, will try it. just don't want to confuse reviewers .. | 05:17 |
| elynn | you can modify your patch, and review again by running command "git review" | 05:17 |
| Qiming | elynn, thx | 05:18 |
| elynn | Qiming, np :) | 05:18 |
| ckmvishnu | while instantiating class HeatIdentifier with stack_id as None, its converted to strig "None". Since its a string it becomes part of arn() function's output. | 05:25 |
| ckmvishnu | SpamapS: any inputs? | 05:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/104975 | 06:02 |
| cmyster | morning | 06:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Yanyan Hu proposed a change to openstack/heat: Default to keystone V3 for software deployment https://review.openstack.org/104754 | 06:47 |
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| shardy_afk | morning all | 06:56 |
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| skraynev | morning shardy_afk | 06:56 |
| skraynev | oops, morning shardy ;) | 06:57 |
| cmyster | morning | 06:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fixed stack never changed from DELETE_IN_PROGRESS https://review.openstack.org/104454 | 07:50 |
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| elynn | Hi shardy | 07:56 |
| elynn | about this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98042/ | 07:57 |
| therve | Good morning | 07:58 |
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| shardy | elynn: hi | 08:07 |
| shardy | IMO we *can't* allow some slight difference with AWS docs, particularly if the existing behavior is correct wrt the docs | 08:08 |
| shardy | I've said the same thing on several reviews now, so I don't really understand why there are still patches coming making things updateable where they are not on AWS :( | 08:09 |
| elynn | shardy, so should we revert patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80209/? | 08:10 |
| shardy | Unfortunately we can't just revert that patch, as it's been released | 08:10 |
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| shardy | this is the problem, folks will rely on the behavior, or might do at least, then they move their template to AWS and get a really bad surprise on update | 08:11 |
| shardy | If you need this behavior on update, you should be using the native resources IMO, not the AWS compatible ones | 08:11 |
| shardy | I'll start a ML thread so we can discuss the deprecation options for things already merged | 08:12 |
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| elynn | ok, I will abandon this patch | 08:13 |
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| elynn | Never notice that this property is not updatable in aws docs before... | 08:14 |
| shardy | It's the first thing I check when reviewing update changes for AWS compatible resources ;) | 08:14 |
| elynn | Your comment should come earlier so that I will balance my time to other things T_T | 08:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Haiyang DING proposed a change to openstack/heat: Change Volume metadata attribute to raw dict. https://review.openstack.org/95705 | 08:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Haiyang DING proposed a change to openstack/heat: Change Volume metadata attribute to raw dict. https://review.openstack.org/95705 | 08:32 |
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| shardy | elynn: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039429.html | 08:43 |
| therve | shardy, Thanks for sending it, +1 from me | 08:46 |
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| therve | shardy, BTW have you followed what happened with wait conditions? Need any help? | 08:49 |
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| shardy | therve: hey, yeah I was out on Friday but I saw the reverts | 08:54 |
| shardy | my bad, apologies | 08:54 |
| shardy | there is a difference in the metadata refresh behavior between the metadata_update and resource_signal paths in service.py | 08:54 |
| shardy | I think I just need to replicate the metadata update loop in resource_signal, and add some more tests | 08:55 |
| therve | Cool | 08:55 |
| shardy | SpamapS correctly pointed out there is a performance penalty associated with that, but we're already paying that cost for WaitCondition signals, and other signals probably should have the same behavior | 08:56 |
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| therve | shardy, The weird thing is that unit tests fails randomly without that part | 08:56 |
| therve | Or pass randomly I guess | 08:56 |
| shardy | maybe we can minimise that by only updating immediate dependencies or something, going to look into it | 08:56 |
| shardy | therve: odd | 08:56 |
| therve | shardy, See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104941/ gates passed | 08:57 |
| therve | And I see that locally too | 08:57 |
| shardy | therve: I know there was some previous racy behavior related to the metadata update test, which was solved by that brute-force loop which forces refresh of all resources | 08:58 |
| therve | That's probably that then | 08:58 |
| shardy | my plan is to copy that loop to resource_signal, to solve the immediate problem, then look at possible performance improvements after | 08:59 |
| shardy | after that, we should be able to fully deprecate and eventually remove the metadata_update engine interface | 09:00 |
| ckmvishnu | shardy: when altering id to integer in stack table, should i alter owner_id as well. | 09:03 |
| ckmvishnu | there is a test "test_nested_stack_update" wich checks for that | 09:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Use auth_token_info to initialize heat_keystoneclient sessions https://review.openstack.org/99769 | 09:07 |
| ckmvishnu | Got it. owner_id in stack table will point to stack.id in case of a nested stack. | 09:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement custom constraints for subnet/port/router https://review.openstack.org/105101 | 09:18 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement events pagination, sorting and filtering https://review.openstack.org/104439 | 09:20 |
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| blues-man | hello | 09:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Action-aware software config specification https://review.openstack.org/98742 | 09:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement OS::Sahara::NodeGroupTemplate resource https://review.openstack.org/100288 | 09:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement sahara client plugin https://review.openstack.org/100588 | 09:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement OS::Sahara::Cluster resource https://review.openstack.org/72336 | 09:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement OS::Sahara::ClusterTemplate resource https://review.openstack.org/101509 | 09:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement PrivateIpAddress property for EC2::Instance https://review.openstack.org/98580 | 09:43 |
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| Dev_Jin | I am trying autoscaling feature.. I can perform the required action using scalling policy (add/delete instance).. I have a question on instance deletion using auto scaling policy. Out of the instances which are part of auto scaling group, which instance is chosen for deletion? is it random? or oldest first? or least loaded? can we control this logic? | 10:14 |
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| shardy | Dev_Jin: It's oldest first, we're working on adding interfaces which allow more control of what is removed | 10:16 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resources/autoscaling.py#L376 | 10:16 |
| shardy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/autoscaling-parameters | 10:16 |
| Dev_Jin | shardy: thanks a lot the quick answer and those links… One more question that I am exploring is this… before deletion of that resource using scaling policy, is it possible to get some “callback” to the tenant application so that more graceful deletion logic can be written | 10:19 |
| shardy | Dev_Jin: not right now, but we're working on that too | 10:21 |
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| Dev_Jin | shardy: any launchpad link for this feature? so that I can keep track of it? | 10:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Implement events pagination, sorting and filtering https://review.openstack.org/105110 | 10:26 |
| shardy | Dev_Jin: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/update-hooks | 10:26 |
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| skraynev | shardy: about updating CFN compatible resources: I agree with you, but what about some cases like https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resources/volume.py#L185 | 10:49 |
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| shardy | skraynev: well that is my question, what do we do about stuff we have already (IMHO wrongly) merged | 10:51 |
| skraynev | shardy: AFAIK, according to AWS documentation all properties for volume are replacement, but we may implement custom handle update for them | 10:51 |
| shardy | skraynev: yes, we do, and that is wrong, IMO | 10:51 |
| shardy | I have -1'd patches for instance and volume resources recently which make update behavior (further) deviate from CFN | 10:52 |
| shardy | but we have already created a problem by merging stuff like you reference previously | 10:52 |
| skraynev | shardy: yeah, I have seen it. | 10:52 |
| shardy | the first thing is to stop merging more problems, then figure out what to do with the existing ones, IMO | 10:53 |
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| shardy | I guess we'll have to deprecate updates for things which should not be updated, log loud warnings for a cycle, then remove the update support | 10:53 |
| shardy | If folks are impacted by that, they will have to migrate to the native resources | 10:53 |
| shardy | which in most cases should be pretty easy | 10:54 |
| skraynev | shardy: looks like hint, that native resources are better for using :) | 10:55 |
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| shardy | skraynev: yup, and also it makes it very clear that the behavior is specific to OpenStack | 10:55 |
| skraynev | shardy: agree. I got your position about CFN resources in this case. So I will apply this for further reviews :) | 10:57 |
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| shardy | skraynev: sounds good, thanks :) | 10:58 |
| cmyster | ummm | 11:01 |
| cmyster | I hate it when I know something is wrong and I can'y put me finger on it... | 11:01 |
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| cmyster | shardy: got a sec? | 11:46 |
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| shardy | cmyster: sure | 12:13 |
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| cmyster | shardy: I am creating a software deployment and setting input_values = [] and output_values = [] (empty lists) but when the deployment is created the first is None and the second is a {} (empty dict) | 12:19 |
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| cmyster | it used to work the same way for the last 3 or so months (my tempest configuration API patch) and now it is not | 12:20 |
| cmyster | ummm working as in I am testing that its still an empty list but its not anymore | 12:21 |
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| cmyster | I'm guessing that something changed not too long ago | 12:21 |
| shardy | cmyster: input_values is a map not a list in the schema.. | 12:21 |
| * shardy checks commits | 12:21 | |
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| shardy | cmyster: AFAICS that is expected, on current trunk and stable/icehouse | 12:25 |
| shardy | In fact the input_values list thing should probably fail validation, as the schema expects a map | 12:25 |
| cmyster | OK cool | 12:25 |
| shardy | the fact that it doesn't may be a bug | 12:25 |
| cmyster | oh | 12:25 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/stable/icehouse/heat/engine/resources/software_config/software_deployment.py#L117 | 12:25 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/stable/icehouse/heat/engine/resources/software_config/software_deployment.py#L434 | 12:26 |
| shardy | The code is basically the same in trunk AFAICT | 12:26 |
| cmyster | I'm guessing there is nothing on gate to verify types in this case | 12:26 |
| * cmyster makes a note of that | 12:27 | |
| cmyster | should be simple enough test to write | 12:27 |
| shardy | If you raise a bug we may be able to add a unit test to trigger it and fix whatever's wrong | 12:27 |
| cmyster | also legit | 12:27 |
| cmyster | does validation in this case happen regardless if it is a rest request or using a template ? | 12:28 |
| shardy | The validation only happens via a template | 12:28 |
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| shardy | So maybe the bug is that validation is required when using the API directly | 12:29 |
| cmyster | well | 12:29 |
| cmyster | umm is it ? | 12:29 |
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| cmyster | is it a valid way to do things ? | 12:30 |
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| shardy | well we expect people to use the API via a template, but regardless the API should probably validate the input, if you're saying it doesn't | 12:30 |
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| shardy | e.g what happens if you pass a non-empty list to the input_values directly via the API? | 12:31 |
| cmyster | right | 12:31 |
| cmyster | might be a security issue here as well | 12:31 |
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| cmyster | bbl | 12:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Fix the section name in CONTRIBUTING.rst https://review.openstack.org/103768 | 13:10 |
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| therve | shardy, FWIW, trusts misunderstandings in Eoghan email are certainly mine | 13:17 |
| shardy | therve: np, it's a shame I couldn't make it to the meetup to discuss it with you guys.. | 13:19 |
| therve | shardy, Yeah sorry we ended up talking on friday | 13:20 |
| shardy | therve: Was the ceilometer-side architecture issue discussed? | 13:20 |
| shardy | e.g why the trust can't be created as part of the request which creates the alarm? | 13:20 |
| shardy | If we can do that then at least the name/id issue goes away | 13:21 |
| shardy | then if I can get the redelegation issue solved, we're set :) | 13:21 |
| shardy | (that's a big if based on spec feedback from keystone core..) | 13:21 |
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| therve | shardy, We talked about it yes | 13:22 |
| therve | It's doable but a non-trivial issue | 13:22 |
| therve | Eoghan was somewhat reluctant to go down that road considering the other limitations, especially regarding chained delegation | 13:23 |
| shardy | well the main use-cases would work without chained delegation | 13:23 |
| shardy | it's only autoscaling stacks containing alarms, and stacks updated via solum which won't work | 13:23 |
| shardy | I'd say it's less risky to get that basic use case working, then add the chained-delegation flag if/when I manage to get it into keystone | 13:24 |
| shardy | Maybe I'll have a chat with Eoghan about it, but I can understand if he has higher priorities | 13:25 |
| therve | It'd be cool if you can sync up | 13:25 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Show physical_resource_id in resource-list https://review.openstack.org/101125 | 13:26 |
| therve | I don't think I was a good defender of that solution, I don't really feel it's worth the extra complexity | 13:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/105166 | 13:28 |
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| shardy | therve: well maybe you're right, I just feel it looks wrong architecturally, and it can never work in standalone mode | 13:30 |
| cmyster | back | 13:30 |
| shardy | If we're OK saying autoscaling can't work in standalone mode then maybe we revisit your approach, but it just seems wrong that one service creates a trust for another service | 13:31 |
| therve | Hum | 13:31 |
| therve | shardy, Would doing it ceilometer works in standalone? | 13:31 |
| therve | I thought we had other issues | 13:31 |
| shardy | therve: I'm not certain tbh, but it can never work with the ID, because the person running heat won't know the ID of the service provider's ceilometer service user | 13:33 |
| shardy | wheras if they got a token and created the alarm, and ceilometer created whatever was needed to do the deferred notification, it might work | 13:33 |
| therve | Sure | 13:33 |
| shardy | without trying it I can't be sure if there are other issues I've not considered | 13:33 |
| therve | shardy, Would domain users workN | 13:34 |
| therve | ? | 13:34 |
| shardy | therve: no, but in this case we'd no longer need to create the domain user associated with the ec2 keypair | 13:35 |
| shardy | as ceilometer would impersonate the stack owner directly | 13:35 |
| shardy | you are right though, there's other stuff which wouldn't work without the user having admin roles | 13:35 |
| shardy | therve: tbh there's probably a discussion to be had around the future of standalone mode | 13:36 |
| Qiming__ | shardy, therve, a naive question: why having ceilometer service user name in heat.conf a security risk? | 13:36 |
| shardy | I know some folks like it, but there's a high cost associated with maintaining it, as this proves | 13:36 |
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| shardy | but *if* we are going to maintain it, I think core functionality like autoscaling really ought to work | 13:37 |
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| shardy | Qiming__: It's not necessarily a security risk, it's just that in non-integrated (standalone) heat deployments, you won't know what it is | 13:37 |
| therve | Qiming__, it's not the name too, it's the ID. | 13:38 |
| Qiming__ | okay, but that will make at least auto-scaling works, right? | 13:38 |
| Qiming__ | I see. | 13:38 |
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| shardy | Hmm, is there something other than stevedore I need installed for the new constraint plugin mechanism? | 13:59 |
| shardy | All the tests are failing, even on a clean clone of heat, so I guess I'm missing something in my environment.. | 13:59 |
| shardy | seems related to glance.image stubbing not working for constraints | 14:00 |
| therve | shardy, How did you create your env? | 14:08 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Use stevedore to load client plugins https://review.openstack.org/97976 | 14:08 |
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| shardy | therve: I'm running it locally, not in a venv | 14:08 |
| therve | shardy, You need to do setup.py develop or pip install -e . | 14:08 |
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| skraynev | shardy: therve is right. When I tested stevebaker's patches I used "python ./setup.py install" after that clients became available. | 14:11 |
| shardy | therve, skraynev: ok, thanks :) | 14:11 |
| therve | install is not the best thing to do though :) | 14:12 |
| skraynev | therve: yeah... develop is more preferable. However for simple testing (when you do not debug) "install" is possible too :) | 14:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Change template loading to use stevedore extensions https://review.openstack.org/103113 | 14:25 |
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| jogo | shadower: o/ | 14:38 |
| shadower | hey | 14:38 |
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| jogo | so I am not sure how tempest/heat tests heat templates currently so thats a good question | 14:39 |
| jogo | but just building the basic dynamic template to boot n instances should help a lot either way | 14:39 |
| shadower | jogo: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/scenario/orchestration/test_autoscaling.py | 14:40 |
| jogo | shadower: sounds like it would be good to sync with cmyster either way | 14:40 |
| shadower | each test seems to carry its own template next to the file | 14:40 |
| shadower | yea | 14:40 |
| shadower | doesn't seem to be online atm, though | 14:41 |
| jogo | shadower: ahh perfect seperate template file | 14:41 |
| shadower | yea | 14:42 |
| jogo | shadower: unfortunately I need to go AFK for the rest of today (will be working from a flight), but lets sync up tomorrow. I will be in UTC-8 | 14:43 |
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| shadower | jogo: okay, see you tomorrow | 14:46 |
| jogo | shadower: thanks, o/ | 14:46 |
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| jdandrea | I'm looking for info that explains how Heat works in conjunction with the Stack domain user (even if the upshot is "you don't have to do anything - it just works"). Is there a blueprint, wiki page, or other doc perchance? | 15:00 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: I wrote a detailed blog post about it which may help: | 15:00 |
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| shardy | http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/heat-auth-model-updates-part-2-stack.html | 15:01 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: depending on how you install, you either have to do nothing (devstack, recent packstack/puppet-heat), or manually configure as described in that post | 15:02 |
| shardy | jdandrea: getting similar info into a deployment guide doc is still todo | 15:02 |
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| jdandrea | shardy: Thanks! This helps a lot. :) | 15:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix OS::Trove::Instance restore_point property https://review.openstack.org/105210 | 15:28 |
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| Meeral | If i want to launch a stack with multiple templates - how to make the REST request? /v1/{tenant_id}/stacks | 15:32 |
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| Meeral | I know the heat stack_create command will parse the template and recognize template dependencies | 15:33 |
| Meeral | but I don't know how that maps to the rest api | 15:33 |
| therve | What do you mean by multiple templates? | 15:34 |
| therve | I *think* you want stack files, but I'm not sure | 15:34 |
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| Meeral | i mean I have a main template that has an autoscaling group which has a resource | 15:35 |
| Meeral | that's coming from another template | 15:35 |
| Meeral | type: blah_.yaml | 15:35 |
| therve | So yes stack files | 15:35 |
| shardy | Meeral: Do what you want via python-heatclient, with --debug, then you can see the format of the request | 15:35 |
| Meeral | oh alright | 15:36 |
| shardy | as therve says, blah.yaml goes in the files map in the body of the request | 15:36 |
| Meeral | ok I'll try that thanks | 15:36 |
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| tspatzier | zaneb: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-observer-resource-pattern | 16:02 |
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| mdelder | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-observer-resource-pattern | 16:02 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: I do agree with your point btw: most of this only works by luck at the moment. ;-) | 16:33 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Hey, I've just started digging into this, trying to figure out if os-collect-config is relying in the previous side-effect of setting the handle metadata where it's also returned | 16:34 |
| shardy | my new code does change that behavior, because handle_signal doesn't return the metadata | 16:34 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: AFAIK, os-collect-config just does a describe stack resource. | 16:35 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Hmm, yeah that's what I was expecting, but currently I can't reproduce the issue | 16:36 |
| SpamapS | shardy: signals are sent by whatever tooling receives the deployment and thus the deploy_signal_id. | 16:36 |
| shardy | It seemed weird that we returned something we were just passed as an argument, so I assumed nobody would rely on the return value | 16:36 |
| SpamapS | shardy: we were very clearly seeing empty metadata on the next subsequent request after we sent a signal. | 16:36 |
| SpamapS | shardy: which caused.. havoc :( | 16:36 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: Yup, I don't doubt it, I just can't cause havoc locally yet ;) | 16:37 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I'd think you can reproduce by throwing the tripleo overcloud.yaml at a devstackked heat. | 16:37 |
| SpamapS | shardy: Oh you'd probably need to build our images with 'vm' added and load them into the devstack as well. | 16:37 |
| SpamapS | I might have a one liner that will do this for you.. | 16:38 |
| shardy | I've mostly been trying via the tests, where the metadata refresh test works fine, I'll try the overcloud template, or some minimal subset of it | 16:38 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: Ok, thanks, it's probably about time I played with tripleo a bit, no time like the present I guess :) | 16:38 |
| SpamapS | TRIPLEO_ROOT=~/src DIB_COMMON_ELEMENTS="stackuser vm" bash -c '. scripts/devtest_variables.sh ; scripts/devtest_overcloud.sh' | 16:40 |
| shardy | SpamapS: thanks | 16:40 |
| SpamapS | shardy: that would assume you have tripleo-incubator checked out in ~/src/tripleo-incubator and that you have sourced openrc | 16:40 |
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| SpamapS | oh hm | 16:41 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: you also have to do "TRIPLEO_ROOT=~/src scripts/devtest_testenv.sh" once to create the testenv.json file | 16:41 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: that is less than ideal.. hrm | 16:42 |
| SpamapS | shardy: don't run testenv.sh yet.. that is the invasive bit.. maybe I can give you a minimal testenv.json | 16:42 |
| shardy | SpamapS: no worries, I'm going to try a more minimal template first | 16:43 |
| SpamapS | shardy: ok cool, so all you need in that json file is actually this: {"arch": "i386"} | 16:43 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Ok, thanks for the info, I'll try the full tripleo reproduce if my minimal attempt fails | 16:44 |
| SpamapS | shardy: deityspeed | 16:45 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: what tool does the signalling out of interest? | 16:49 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: curl | 17:04 |
| SpamapS | shardy: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tripleo-image-elements/tree/elements/os-refresh-config/os-refresh-config/post-configure.d/99-refresh-completed | 17:04 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: currently we only do one big "completion signal" per node for when it is done with everything. We may do more as we have to orchestrate upgrades. | 17:05 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Ok, thanks for the info! | 17:07 |
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| emfl | Hello, I'm sorry to ask such a question but I coudn't find the answer, what are the cloud providers supported by heat ? | 17:27 |
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| SpamapS | emfl: Heat is meant to be "built in" to a cloud. | 17:39 |
| SpamapS | emfl: There's a standalone mode that works with at least HP's public cloud (disclaimer: my employer) and I believe Rackspace has a beta public Heat that you can use. | 17:40 |
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| SpamapS | ugh that inline commit message editor is crap for formatting. | 18:05 |
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| Meeral | I am still trying to launch a stack with multiple stack files - I am using the example file : https://github.com/hardys/demo_templates/blob/master/juno_summit_intro_to_heat/example4_provider_environment/server_with_volume_env.yaml | 18:52 |
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| Meeral | I run stack_create and get the following error: atclient.exc.HTTPBadRequest: ERROR: Could not fetch remote template 'server_with_volume.yaml': Invalid URL scheme | 18:53 |
| Meeral | server_with_volume is a local file in the same directory | 18:53 |
| Meeral | i'm very confused at what i'm doing wrong | 18:55 |
| jasond` | Meeral: did you use -f or -u? | 18:58 |
| Meeral | -f | 18:58 |
| Meeral | heat --debug stack-create test1 -f mainTemplate.yaml | 18:58 |
| jasond` | Meeral: what is in mainTemplate.yaml? | 18:59 |
| Meeral | https://github.com/hardys/demo_templates/blob/master/juno_summit_intro_to_heat/example2_server_with_volume_nested/server_with_volume_nested.yaml | 18:59 |
| Meeral | copied this | 18:59 |
| Meeral | the first link is wrong i'm not using an environment file.. | 19:00 |
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| jasond` | Meeral: hm, works for me | 19:03 |
| Meeral | what..was there any recent bug for this? maybe I have an older version | 19:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | David J Hu proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Add keystone v3 auth support https://review.openstack.org/92728 | 19:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Support using domain_name instead of domain_id https://review.openstack.org/99225 | 19:09 |
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| emfl | SpamapS: ok thanks. I was under the impression from a stackoverflow question that heat could be used as an equivalent to cloudformation to any number of cloud providers. Which from your answer I'm guessing is wrong | 19:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add OS::Swift::Signal resource https://review.openstack.org/96947 | 21:08 |
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| stevebaker | morning | 21:14 |
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| shardy | Hey stevebaker | 21:14 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: hi! Should we plan on achieving something for our nano-heat meetup? | 21:15 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: sure, I'm hoping to have the token expiry thing sorted by then, so hopefully it will be a question of getting a clearer view on the priority items for heat wrt tripleo | 21:18 |
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| shardy | also I'm interested in what we can do re incremental improvements to autoscaling (choose victims, scale-down cleanup) for Juno, as I know that's important to Tuskar | 21:18 |
| stevebaker | shardy: we could co-ordinate on moving heat_keystoneclient methods into the keystone client plugin, since you're mostly doing the changes there | 21:19 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: definitely, is that just a refactoring exercise, to move the heat_keystoneclient stuff into a new plugin? | 21:19 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: yes, acquiescing would be a good one. That is all software-config and Server resource | 21:20 |
| stevebaker | shardy: yes, just refactoring, and figuring out where the v2 plugin fits in | 21:21 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Is the scaledown cleanup thing already possible if you use SoftwareDeployments which trigger on DELETE? | 21:21 |
| shardy | I wasn't super-clear if we also needed the action-aware stuff tspatzier is working on | 21:21 |
| stevebaker | shardy: we don't need it, acquiescing configs can just be their own config resource for now, and will eventually be able to be defined as part of a component resource | 21:22 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ok cool, well getting some examples together for that would be cool, I'll try to have a play at some point soon | 21:23 |
| * shardy still trying to reproduce tripleo metadata issue atm | 21:24 | |
| stevebaker | shardy: aquiescing will mostly be triggered by a stack-update, when the server is rebuilt,rebooted or replaced. This means it can't be represented by a deployment resource in the template (but the implementation would probably use a deployment internally) | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | shardy, argubly your patch breaks the api | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | update_metadata had a return | 21:24 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Re the client plugin, ideally I'd like to move to a model where there are three options, v2, v3 (legacy) and v3 (domain users) | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | signal doesn't | 21:24 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah I realized that earlier, does it matter though? I'm not sure tbh | 21:25 |
| shardy | we return want was already passed in, so it could be fixed in the API | 21:25 |
| asalkeld | well we *shouldn't* break api | 21:26 |
| asalkeld | other's might depend on it | 21:26 |
| shardy | apart from the new waitcondition handle which auto-populates some stuff if ommited | 21:26 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah, point taken, I initially missed that we returned there | 21:26 |
| asalkeld | me too | 21:26 |
| shardy | I'd like to deprecate the entire metadata_update path and standardize on handle_signal | 21:27 |
| shardy | but yeah, I'll reinstate the return and add deprecation warnings for Juno | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | shardy, just call signal and pass the return val back | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | (shallow fix) | 21:28 |
| shardy | asalkeld: yup something like that should work | 21:29 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: FYI this is probably the most important spec for Heat devs wishing to help TripleO. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97939/ | 21:38 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: is shadower coming? | 21:39 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: no, he and I are kind of the reason we're having a separate Heat meetup later | 21:44 |
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| jdandrea | Reality check question: Can a resource (in the plugin space) traverse up and down the stack hierarchy, looking for sibling resources along the way? | 21:47 |
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| jdandrea | Contrived example: Stack A has nested stacks B and C. B and C each contain custom resource D. Resource D wants to find out if Resource D exists elsewhere in the stack hierarchy. | 21:47 |
| jdandrea | ... and B and C could come from an Autoscaling Group too, incidentally. :) | 21:48 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: I'm happy to spend some time on that, but it would need a little bit of co-ordination with you and shadower so I don't repeat stuff | 21:48 |
| shardy | jdandrea: it's probably possible, but please don't do that ;) | 21:48 |
| jdandrea | (Correction: Resource D wants to find out if other *instantiations* of D exist elsewhere.) | 21:48 |
| jdandrea | shardy: Ah. So that's a no-no. | 21:48 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: It's a big spec.. I think you can just take items where your expertise would be helpful and work on them. | 21:49 |
| jdandrea | Not to make changes, but to be "aware" as it were. | 21:49 |
| stevebaker | jdandrea: ideally no. If you can you should discover related resource info through actual API calls | 21:49 |
| shardy | jdandrea: the right way is to pass data in via properties which contain references to other resources, if you need that data inside the resource | 21:49 |
| SpamapS | jdandrea: We're going to be hunting any such violations down as we move Heat to be less stack-centric and more resource-centric with convergence. | 21:49 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: Ok. Not sure how I do that discovery then ... | 21:49 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: I'd be tempted to do a big-hammer brute force HOT port ;) | 21:49 |
| jdandrea | SpamapS: Not intending for it to be a violation. That's why I asked. :) | 21:50 |
| stevebaker | jdandrea: it depends exactly on what you're trying to do. | 21:50 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: that seems to be +1'd already. The spec discusses it, and I for one would be thrilled as it would reduce the ridiculousness of all the Fn::Select calls. | 21:50 |
| SpamapS | jdandrea: can you be more concrete? | 21:50 |
| jdandrea | shardy: How do I do that where an Autoscaling Group is concerned though? | 21:50 |
| jdandrea | SpamapS: I can try. | 21:50 |
| SpamapS | jdandrea: seems like you'd want to be more explicit in relating things. | 21:51 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: Use the native AutoScalingGroup resource and pass parameters in as Properties, which become parameters for nested stacks | 21:51 |
| jdandrea | SpamapS: I agree. Take the Autoscaling WordPress example. If I understand correctly, the pool (outside the AG) is sent in as a property. | 21:52 |
| jdandrea | What if I need to chain things between AG scale-outs? | 21:52 |
| jdandrea | So a resource D is in the Autoscaling groups' nested template. As I scale out, I want that new resource D to somehow be aware of the previous one (or all of them). | 21:53 |
| jdandrea | But I can't give a resource ID for something that doesn't exist yet. | 21:53 |
| jdandrea | Maybe I'm thinking about it incorrectly. :/ | 21:53 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS, shadower, fun fact: all of the Fn:: functions are actually registered in the HOT parser, so functions can be switched after the initial HOT port | 21:54 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: doooo it | 21:55 |
| jdandrea | hehee | 21:55 |
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| stevebaker | lifeless: are you going to want merge.py to be able to consume cfn and hot source templates? | 23:13 |
| lifeless | stevebaker: I think we have some backwards comapt obligations | 23:14 |
| lifeless | stevebaker: there's a draft spec up | 23:14 |
| lifeless | stevebaker: which discusses killing it in detail | 23:14 |
| stevebaker | lifeless: yeah, I'm looking into the **3. Port TripleO Heat templates to HOT** bit | 23:15 |
| stevebaker | lifeless: I think a merge.py flag to switch to HOT would be least disruptive | 23:17 |
| lifeless | that seems reasonable | 23:17 |
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