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| stevebaker | zaneb, SpamapS, you about? | 01:27 |
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| tiantian | <shardy>hi, about the quota backends, I looked at cinder/neutron/nova, cinder only has dbdriver, neutron has dbdriver and confdriver, nova has dbdriver and noopdriver(unlimited), it's inconsistent between these projects, so, I hope your suggestion:) | 01:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Yang proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Add shell arguments for stack update https://review.openstack.org/94004 | 02:54 |
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| asalkeld | is this still accurate: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/getting_started/jeos_building.html | 04:18 |
| asalkeld | don't we need os-{apply,collect,refesh} | 04:18 |
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| noorul | hello all | 04:19 |
| asalkeld | hi noorul | 04:19 |
| noorul | I created a CentOS 6.5 jeos image using http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/getting_started/jeos_building.html | 04:20 |
| noorul | i.e using the oz tool | 04:20 |
| asalkeld | ok | 04:20 |
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| noorul | When I launch a stack, I face this problem | 04:20 |
| noorul | 2014-06-03 08:58:37,607 - url_helper.py[WARNING]: Calling 'http://10.50.1.3//latest/meta-data/instance-id' failed [99/120s]: request error [[Errno 111] Connection refused] | 04:21 |
| noorul | The network the heat template using is 10.50.1.0/24 | 04:21 |
| asalkeld | isn't the metadata server some special address? | 04:22 |
| asalkeld | (normally) | 04:22 |
| noorul | Yes, | 04:22 |
| noorul | that was also not working | 04:23 |
| asalkeld | does look odd | 04:23 |
| asalkeld | noorul, can you turn off your firewall (if it is on) | 04:23 |
| asalkeld | can you get into the vm? | 04:23 |
| noorul | Yeah, to troubleshoot this issue, I created the image without root lock and with root password | 04:24 |
| skraynev | Morning all! | 04:24 |
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| asalkeld | hi skraynev | 04:25 |
| skraynev | morning asalkeld :) | 04:25 |
| asalkeld | noorul, see if you can ping that address | 04:26 |
| noorul | As you said initially it was trying to contact 169.254.169.254 | 04:26 |
| noorul | then I found this http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/centos-image.html | 04:26 |
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| noorul | I that it is mentioned to disable zeroconf route | 04:27 |
| noorul | so i did that | 04:27 |
| noorul | then it stopped contacting 169... | 04:27 |
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| asalkeld | haha | 04:28 |
| noorul | asalkeld: 10.50.1.3 is reachable | 04:28 |
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| noorul | but unable to connect to port 80 | 04:28 |
| asalkeld | kinda opposite of what the comment said | 04:28 |
| asalkeld | "n order for the instance to access the metadata service, disable the default zeroconf route:" | 04:28 |
| asalkeld | noorul, I have never used centos :-O | 04:29 |
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| asalkeld | or seen this particular problem | 04:29 |
| asalkeld | hopefully someone has in here | 04:29 |
| asalkeld | (and can help) | 04:29 |
| asalkeld | I'd try revert that zeroconf thing | 04:30 |
| asalkeld | to see if the vm starts talking to the metadata server again | 04:30 |
| noorul | but 169.254.269.254 is not reachable | 04:31 |
| noorul | oops 169.254.169.254 | 04:31 |
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| asalkeld | that's weird | 04:32 |
| asalkeld | do you need to add a default route? | 04:32 |
| noorul | In the image? | 04:33 |
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| Qiming | 169.254.169.254 seems like a iptables rule that redirects your metadata requests to Nova, IIRC | 04:33 |
| noorul | Let me delete the stack and re-create it without zeroconf route | 04:33 |
| noorul | The installation document does not have that | 04:34 |
| noorul | btw I am using neutron | 04:34 |
| noorul | asalkeld: And the fedora pre-built image is working | 04:35 |
| noorul | asalkeld: It can pull the information from metadata service | 04:35 |
| asalkeld | maybe compare the route table in the vm? | 04:36 |
| noorul | Let me do that. | 04:36 |
| asalkeld | difficult to know from here | 04:36 |
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| noorul | asalkeld: Oops, there is a problem, I can't log into the pre-build image | 04:40 |
| asalkeld | o | 04:40 |
| asalkeld | the fedora one? | 04:41 |
| noorul | can you paste a working routing table? | 04:41 |
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| asalkeld | I don't have devstack running | 04:41 |
| noorul | ok | 04:42 |
| asalkeld | noorul, have you googled this? | 04:42 |
| asalkeld | using centos on heat? | 04:42 |
| asalkeld | also ask in #rdo | 04:42 |
| noorul | ok | 04:43 |
| asalkeld | (might be more people that use centos) | 04:43 |
| noorul | of course I gogoled | 04:43 |
| noorul | I will ask #rdo also | 04:43 |
| asalkeld | when you solve it you should post a how to | 04:43 |
| noorul | sure | 04:44 |
| asalkeld | sucks that it doesn't work | 04:44 |
| noorul | IT sucks if it doesn't work after following docs | 04:44 |
| asalkeld | yeah for sure | 04:45 |
| noorul | https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/159317 | 04:50 |
| asalkeld | noorul, is that your situation? | 04:53 |
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| noorul | asalkeld: The last comment | 04:53 |
| noorul | asalkeld: That is my situation except the case that I am using neutron | 04:54 |
| asalkeld | well heaps to try | 04:54 |
| noorul | asalkeld: I have a multi-node setup | 04:54 |
| noorul | asalkeld: The suggestions that they give is not for that | 04:54 |
| asalkeld | "I run a Multi-Node with StackOps, with 4 servers : controler, network, volume and compute." | 04:55 |
| asalkeld | sounds multinode | 04:55 |
| noorul | yeah | 04:55 |
| noorul | he has not found a solution | 04:55 |
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| asalkeld | EmilienM, ^ | 04:56 |
| asalkeld | did you find a solution? | 04:56 |
| noorul | Oh he is here | 04:56 |
| asalkeld | :-O | 04:56 |
| asalkeld | I believe in france | 04:56 |
| asalkeld | so might come in a little later | 04:57 |
| noorul | Hmm | 04:57 |
| asalkeld | noorul, the difference is your fedora image does work | 04:57 |
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| noorul | asalkeld: not my image | 04:57 |
| asalkeld | but maybe by luck it started on the controller node? | 04:57 |
| noorul | asalkeld: pre-built image from http://fedorapeople.org/groups/heat/prebuilt-jeos-images/ | 04:57 |
| noorul | No, I have separate compute node | 04:58 |
| asalkeld | noorul, sure - but you need to figure out if your issue is networking of openstack or the image | 04:58 |
| noorul | Yes, that is where I need help | 04:58 |
| asalkeld | if fedora works, then its' the image | 04:58 |
| asalkeld | maybe EmilienM is using centos | 04:59 |
| * noorul is asking the same in #rdo | 04:59 | |
| asalkeld | k | 04:59 |
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| noorul | Looks like I am in wrong timezone :P | 05:03 |
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| asalkeld | noorul, for US guys - yeah | 05:08 |
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| noorul | asalkeld: I see route for 169.x.x.x in CentOS instance | 05:09 |
| noorul | asalkeld: When I ping I get response from compute node | 05:09 |
| asalkeld | and from within the vm? | 05:10 |
| noorul | asalkeld: Does that mean there is no route on compute node to 169. | 05:10 |
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| asalkeld | phew, noorul networking is not my thing really | 05:10 |
| noorul | it is fun and painful | 05:11 |
| asalkeld | for sure | 05:11 |
| noorul | /mg god give me the magic wand | 05:13 |
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| noorul | asalkeld: I got an image from http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/guest-images/ | 05:44 |
| noorul | asalkeld: And that is working | 05:44 |
| asalkeld | ok, nice - it would be good to know how that was build | 05:44 |
| asalkeld | built | 05:44 |
| noorul | yeah | 05:45 |
| noorul | Need to ask in #rdo during US time | 05:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/89750 | 06:02 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: here now in case you're still around | 06:09 |
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| EmilienM | asalkeld: hi | 06:50 |
| asalkeld | hi EmilienM | 06:51 |
| * EmilienM reading backlog | 06:51 | |
| asalkeld | I just pinged you as noorul was having an issue similar to you | 06:51 |
| EmilienM | wow it was in 2011 | 06:51 |
| asalkeld | :) | 06:51 |
| asalkeld | he seems to have come right with a different image | 06:52 |
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| EmilienM | asalkeld: tbh, this issue was long time ago, I haven't met issues with metadata since | 06:54 |
| EmilienM | asalkeld: and no, I'm not using centos, only D7, U14.04 and RHEL6.5 | 06:54 |
| asalkeld | yeah, I think it was just something odd in his vm | 06:54 |
| asalkeld | ok | 06:54 |
| asalkeld | tho' rhel6.5 and centos *should* be the same | 06:55 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: he-he. the easiest solution is use something image expect centos :) | 06:56 |
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| therve | Good morning! | 07:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joe Gordon proposed a change to openstack/heat: Stop overriding CONF.default_log_levels per binary https://review.openstack.org/97697 | 07:06 |
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| skraynev | morning therve | 07:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Yaoguo Jiang proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add template version for the provider template https://review.openstack.org/96999 | 07:50 |
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| pas-ha | morning all :) | 08:51 |
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| hoangdo | hello everyone. we need an autoscaling function based on Software running on VM. In our case, we monitor each Message Broker queue on one node, if some queue is full, we don't need to scale the Message Broker node, but we scale the "Handler" nodes which receive/process data from that queue. | 09:27 |
| hoangdo | any suggestion. Should we develop a plugin on Ceilometer, or use some third party software ? | 09:27 |
| therve | You should be able to feed data to ceilometer and create an alarm out of it | 09:28 |
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| hoangdo | therve: I talked with some dude in ceilometer, they said an alarm on "inside VM" is strange. Is there any other way? | 09:30 |
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| therve | Well you can just talk to the Heat API | 09:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Yaoguo Jiang proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add template version for the provider template https://review.openstack.org/96999 | 09:32 |
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| mandira | hi | 09:55 |
| mandira | all | 09:55 |
| mandira | <elynn> hi | 09:55 |
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| mandira | yesterday i tried that stress command to scale up my memory but it increses memory for fraction of seconds ......anybody any idea about this? | 10:21 |
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| mandira | <skraynev>? | 10:29 |
| therve | It doesn't look like a heat problem | 10:33 |
| therve | But --timeout sounds like an idea | 10:34 |
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| mandira | I also tried with --timeout option | 10:36 |
| mandira | <therve>in my heat provision log i m getting like error " Skipping package 'httpd'. Not available via yum" | 10:37 |
| andreaf | derekh_: ping | 10:37 |
| therve | mandira, Do you have internet access? | 10:37 |
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| derekh_ | andreaf: hi | 10:37 |
| mandira | <therve>yes | 10:37 |
| andreaf | derekh_: hi - I meant to ping you in the tripleo room but ok... about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95791/ , I've got +1 from Jenkins and 3 x +2 - would you mind giving me a +A ? | 10:39 |
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| derekh_ | andreaf: done, technically CI didn't pass but this isn't tested by CI anyways | 10:41 |
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| andreaf | derekh_: thanks | 10:42 |
| skraynev | mandira: here | 10:44 |
| mandira | <skraynev> https://paste.lugons.org/show/y8HzZK9EhdstgLRSc2z5/ | 10:44 |
| mandira | this is my heat privision log...do you know why i am not able to install that packages? | 10:45 |
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| mandira | my instances are connected to internet | 10:46 |
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| skraynev | mandira: honestly, I have not any idea. My guess is same about internet access, but according to your words it works. | 10:49 |
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| mandira | <skraynev>yes,i can ping 8.8.8.8 and yum is also getting updated | 10:50 |
| skraynev | mandira: Definitely it is not related with heat. How about try to use different image ? | 10:50 |
| mandira | i am using fedora i386 cfntool image | 10:51 |
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| mandira | do i have to install heat-cfntools packages externally? | 10:52 |
| skraynev | mandira: I use Fedora 20 image. | 10:53 |
| skraynev | this distributive has all needed cfntools already. | 10:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove unused parameter name in validate_value https://review.openstack.org/97765 | 12:00 |
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| mandira | hi all | 12:35 |
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| mandira | can we monitor the load on the VM that is not created from autoscaling template stack and scale up and down according to load on the on the VM? | 12:45 |
| Qiming | ? when scaling up, which image would you use for the new instance? | 12:49 |
| Qiming | what metrics would you use for deciding whether to scale or not? If the VMs are not of the same image, how can you determine if the whole system is over/under-loaded? | 12:51 |
| mandira | <Qiming>U mean to say we can monitor the VMS that are created from Autoscaling stacks only...bec in Autoscaling template everything like which image need to be used for new instance if it is launched,scaling policies on all are defined.. | 12:54 |
| Qiming | mandira, yes. You can design your own scaling solutions. But evetually, you will need to answer the same questions that ASG is already trying to answer. | 12:56 |
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| mandira | <Qiming> What is ASG here? | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | AutoScalingGroup resource type | 13:06 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: ping | 13:08 |
| pas-ha | skraynev, pong | 13:08 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: about resizing cinder volume | 13:08 |
| pas-ha | yeah, so what other tests would you suggest? | 13:08 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: as I understand you main point that we still should check situation when new_size == real_size, because it may happen when does not set this option before and want to update resource. right? | 13:11 |
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| pas-ha | right, with some scenarios created volume resource might not have a SIZE property set | 13:12 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: suggestion: add test when Size property is not set and we try to update with equal Size | 13:12 |
| pas-ha | ok, will do | 13:13 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: also one more question | 13:13 |
| skraynev | cinder client tell , that size is required option, but all Heat volume resources use it as optional. | 13:14 |
| pas-ha | that's because when creating from backup we do not use cinder.volumes.create, we use cinder.resores.restore | 13:14 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: is it normal? | 13:14 |
| pas-ha | but as I wrote in my last comment, BACKUP_ID and SIZE are perfect candidates for mutually exclusive props, and in fact they were those which sparkled this idea in me | 13:15 |
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| pas-ha | this bugs me that we actually did not have any custom validation in Volume resources for such things | 13:16 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: agree. | 13:16 |
| pas-ha | because currently if you skip both size and backup_id, the template will still validate but creation will break at this line | 13:17 |
| pas-ha | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/2d37843d13c075cab81e9d7f027a7ac5c16b5931/heat/engine/resources/volume.py#L100 | 13:17 |
| pas-ha | probably with some cryptic internal error | 13:18 |
| pas-ha | presented to user | 13:18 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: yes, it was my second question | 13:19 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: I wanted to create volume without these properties.. | 13:19 |
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| skraynev | IMHO, it looks like bug. because you have not any required options, but resource fails because you did not provide enough values | 13:20 |
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| therve | pas-ha, It doesn't really fail with a cryptic error | 13:21 |
| therve | Though validation would be nice | 13:22 |
| skraynev | therve: I suppose, that this validation should be added in separate patch. | 13:25 |
| therve | skraynev, Separate from what? | 13:25 |
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| skraynev | therve: this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96129 | 13:26 |
| therve | Yes | 13:26 |
| skraynev | therve: because we discussed possible problems in this patch :) | 13:26 |
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| skraynev | therve: ok | 13:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement resize of Cinder volumes https://review.openstack.org/96129 | 14:51 |
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| pas-ha | skraynev, ^ | 14:53 |
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| jpeeler | zaneb: heat-keystone-setup-domain would work with icehouse, right? if so, could we get that in the 2014.1.1 release? | 15:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Remove translation from loguserdata https://review.openstack.org/96747 | 15:46 |
| zaneb | jpeeler: I believe so, shardy should be able to confirm | 15:46 |
| therve | Wow a merge was spotted in the wild | 15:46 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/96507 | 15:47 |
| zaneb | lol | 15:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andre Aranha proposed a change to openstack/heat: Heat and Openstack incomplete documentation https://review.openstack.org/97858 | 17:12 |
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| jomara | zaneb: ahoy | 17:36 |
| zaneb | jomara: o/ | 17:36 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: question about python-heatclient | 17:37 |
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| jomara | yes | 17:37 |
| jomara | stevebaker: trying to sort out what to do if an environment file comes into horizon as a URL, how to pass it to the validation method | 17:37 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: jomara is trying to pass an environment file to python-heatclient from horizon, and it appears to be ignored | 17:37 |
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| jomara | zaneb: its only ignored if its a URL | 17:38 |
| jomara | file / blob works fine | 17:38 |
| zaneb | ah, sorry, that's what I meant ;) | 17:38 |
| zaneb | so maybe the answer is just to fetch the url yourself and pass it as a blob | 17:38 |
| jomara | i've tried passing environemnt_url = $URL, and environment = $URL, and neither work - and i notice that via the CLI, -e takes a uRL and downloads & parses it just fine, so i am probably missing something | 17:38 |
| jomara | zaneb: maybe, but i think that bit would belong in python-heatclient? since it does that for templates already? | 17:39 |
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| jomara | and its already working correctly for cli calls | 17:39 |
| zaneb | yeah, that's probably how it _should_ work | 17:40 |
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| therve | jomara, python-heatclient will fetch the environment, but only if you use the shell, not as a library | 17:41 |
| jomara | hrm interesting | 17:42 |
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| zaneb | therve: but the same is not true of templates, it seems. so we are a bit inconsistent | 17:43 |
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| therve | Hum... | 17:43 |
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| jomara | yeah, you can pass in a template_url from horizon, and python-heatclient does the needful | 17:43 |
| therve | Oh but that's done on the server side I bet | 17:44 |
| therve | Yeah that's it | 17:45 |
| zaneb | therve: nope, we never pass urls to the server from python-heatclient any more | 17:46 |
| jomara | just looking at the API call made w/ the heat CLI, i think its grabbing them before sending them to the server | 17:46 |
| therve | zaneb, If you use the shell yeah, but I think it still does if you use the library | 17:46 |
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| jomara | http://fpaste.org/107179/95897140/ | 17:48 |
| jomara | therve: you're right | 17:48 |
| jomara | if you pass in template-url, it calls heat w/ just the template_url | 17:49 |
| therve | jomara, Presumably we'd like to do *less* of those things, not more :) | 17:49 |
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| therve | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/api/openstack/v1/stacks.py#L95 is the corresponding server side code FWIW | 17:49 |
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| jomara | so it sounds like horizon is using the API incorrectly :) | 17:50 |
| jomara | well, not incorrectly, just in the old style | 17:50 |
| therve | jomara, No not really, it's still supported AFAICT, and there is no way for you to know if it's deprecated or not | 17:51 |
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| jomara | so we can either have horizon (or your client of choice) download the file before passing to heat-api, or we can put that in the python-heatclient so that you can still support a URL | 17:52 |
| therve | I don't think we want to add it in the client, in the sense that a library that downloads a file on your behalf feels a bit weird (maybe?) | 17:53 |
| therve | You need to control stuff like certificates and all that | 17:53 |
| afaranha | did someone try to run the multinode_devstack template (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/heat-templates/master/cfn/deb/MultiNode_DevStack.yaml)? | 17:53 |
| jomara | therve: true! | 17:53 |
| therve | Arguably in horizon case you might download it client side and pass it to horizon | 17:53 |
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| jomara | therve: would you expect that i change horizon's behavior for template_urls in addition to just fixing it for environments? | 17:57 |
| jomara | zaneb: ^ | 17:57 |
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| zaneb | jomara: I would vote +1 for that | 17:58 |
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| zaneb | we do want to deprecate passing urls eventually | 17:58 |
| jomara | k, it's quite easy | 17:58 |
| jomara | might as well do it now | 17:58 |
| jomara | one patch to rule them all | 17:58 |
| zaneb | ideally you want to fetch the URL client-side, in JS from the user's browser | 17:59 |
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| jomara | why not just when the user POSTs? | 17:59 |
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| jmickle | hi there | 17:59 |
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| jmickle | anyone have an update as to the resolution of this error: Warning: Specified key was too long; max key length is 767 bytes when running heat manage_db | 18:00 |
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| chaitanya_ | hello all | 18:01 |
| zaneb | jomara: same reason that we don't want heat-api fetching arbitrary URLs. it's not particularly safe. | 18:01 |
| zaneb | jomara: also, the user is in a better position to have access to their files. they shouldn't have to make their template publicly available so that the horizon server or the heat-api server can access them | 18:01 |
| chaitanya_ | can an existing instance be autoscaled?? | 18:01 |
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| zaneb | they should be behind their own firewall, where only they can access them | 18:02 |
| zaneb | chaitanya_: no. | 18:02 |
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| jomara | zaneb: that is a very good point! you've convinced me | 18:02 |
| chaitanya_ | thanks <zaneb> | 18:02 |
| zaneb | jmickle: I believe there was a patch. it may or may not have been merged - the gate is in disarray atm | 18:03 |
| afaranha | Do someone knows how to configure the Neutron and Havana Heat to run a MultiNode_DevStack: "Note also that the security group resources require to use Neutron and Havana Heat" in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/heat-templates/master/cfn/deb/MultiNode_DevStack.yaml ? | 18:03 |
| jmickle | zaneb: based on the snarky output comment of “Please encourage the application developers to enable this mode.” that happens with the error i assume there is some sort of debate going on with this fix? | 18:04 |
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| zaneb | jmickle: I don't think so, that output no doubt comes from the sqlalchemy library | 18:05 |
| jmickle | zaneb: got it, any work around/fix that I can do? will i be fine proceeding on? | 18:05 |
| jomara | zaneb: i think i'll actually make that a second patch, and not support environment URLs at first - i'd like this angular stuff to shake out first, so i dont implement something in jquery and then have to redo it | 18:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support passing a Template object to StackResource https://review.openstack.org/96000 | 18:07 |
| chaitanya_ | <zaneb> is there any problem in new fedora i386 cfntool image?? my stack is completed and my instance is connected to internet but heat-provision log says "yum can not download httpd" and other packages including wordpress..even i am able to scale up or down with my stack :( | 18:07 |
| chaitanya_ | *not able | 18:08 |
| zaneb | jmickle: here is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1316646 | 18:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316646 in heat "heat-manage db_sync crashes on migration 033_software_config because of MySQL error 1709" [High,In progress] | 18:08 |
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| jmickle | ty | 18:08 |
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| zaneb | chaitanya_: I'm not aware of any problems with images, but I don't know what image you're using either | 18:10 |
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| chaitanya_ | <zaneb>http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/20/Images/i386/Fedora-i386-20-20131211.1-sda.qcow2 | 18:16 |
| zaneb | ok, yeah that one should work afaik | 18:17 |
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| chaitanya_ | <zaneb> my system os is ubuntu 12.04 LTS with 32 bit and system is of 8gb RAM with i686 | 18:20 |
| afaranha | shardy: Did you already try the MultiNode_Devstack template? | 18:20 |
| chaitanya_ | should i use 64 bit fedora image? | 18:20 |
| zaneb | chaitanya_: you shouldn't need to | 18:20 |
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| zaneb | chaitanya_: the usual problem is that the instance can't access the internet... but if that is working then I have no idea what the issue is | 18:21 |
| chaitanya_ | <zaneb> yes..internet is working in instance and i updated yum in that | 18:22 |
| chaitanya_ | ok | 18:22 |
| erecio | chaitanya_, Did you try whit this images http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora#clouds ??? | 18:22 |
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| chaitanya_ | <erecio> yup i tried | 18:23 |
| chaitanya_ | same problem | 18:23 |
| samuelmz | Hi, is heat just about managing resources into an OpenStack running installation or it can also manage the cloud structure? May it create new nova compute nodes, for example? | 18:24 |
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| zaneb | samuelmz: the TripleO project is using Heat to spin up OpenStack clouds | 18:27 |
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| chaitanya_ | <erecio>not selecting any region while downloading fedora image...will this affect any time? | 18:29 |
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| samuelmz | zaneb, so heat itself is able to manage a running openstack environment, right? | 18:32 |
| samuelmz | zaneb, using tripleo we're also able to manage the openstack deployment, right? | 18:33 |
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| zaneb | samuelmz: yes | 18:33 |
| samuelmz | zaneb, great! thanks | 18:35 |
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| afaranha | zaneb: Can I create controller node and compute node using heat? | 18:41 |
| afaranha | I'm looking in this example and it's kind confusing ( https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/heat-templates/master/cfn/deb/MultiNode_DevStack.yaml ) | 18:41 |
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| zaneb | afaranha: you can do anything you like on a node, but if you want to deploy OpenStack with Heat I would recommend using TripleO | 18:56 |
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| zaneb | it is far, far from as simple as you might expect | 18:56 |
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| afaranha | zaneb: I think I didn't understand... So, I'm only able to deploy a multi Node devstack INSIDE a openstack? Like, I need a basic openstack cloud and run inside it the template? | 19:29 |
| zaneb | afaranha: that's what that template does | 19:30 |
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| afaranha | Thanks zaneb! | 19:40 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: FYI, I need to leave 20 minutes into the meeting because I stupidly scheduled a dentist appointment right after the meeting and forgot that whole "travel time" thing. ;) So I'd like to talk about convergence as the first topic. Cool? | 19:45 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: cool, add it to the agenda :) | 19:46 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: done | 19:47 |
| zaneb | ta | 19:47 |
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| stevebaker | I have to leave early too | 19:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Encrypt heat template parameters https://review.openstack.org/97900 | 19:56 |
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| zaneb | meeting time everyone | 20:01 |
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| samuelmz | Besides managing resources of cloud applications on top of OpenStack, can we use Heat to manage OpenStack services? | 20:17 |
| randallburt | samuelmz: we're all in a meeting atm; do you man "can I use Heat to manage OpenStack itself"? | 20:17 |
| samuelmz | My concern is about allowing a project member/admin to use Heat and he has the power to stop services... | 20:18 |
| randallburt | s/man/mean | 20:18 |
| randallburt | samuelmz: I think the short answer is "no", but they could have access to other tenant's and their stacks. | 20:18 |
| samuelmz | randallburt, yes.. but the os services' policies (such as nova policy) will block them, right? | 20:19 |
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| randallburt | samuelmz: but no, You can't use Heat to stop Nova, for example, unless you've used Heat to manage the actual cloud itself and that's Triple-O territory. | 20:19 |
| randallburt | samuelmz: sort of. Heat doesn't manage Nova or the other services running on the target cloud. It just calls their public non-admin apis | 20:20 |
| samuelmz | randallburt, great! and it uses the user' token to perform actions, right? | 20:20 |
| randallburt | samuelmz: yup | 20:20 |
| zaneb | samuelmz: heat uses the user's token to call other apis. so the user can do the same as they could through the APIs directly | 20:20 |
| randallburt | in some cases it uses a trust token, but esentially yes. | 20:20 |
| samuelmz | randallburt, perfect! | 20:21 |
| samuelmz | randallburt, it helped me a lot, thanks :-) | 20:21 |
| randallburt | samuelmz: np | 20:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix spelling in a doc string https://review.openstack.org/97926 | 20:49 |
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| mspreitz | what were the critical issues not discussed in the meeting? | 21:01 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: that's a recurring agenda item, it can be any critical issues | 21:01 |
| mspreitz | ok | 21:01 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: almost forgot to tell you about one cool thing | 21:02 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86431/ | 21:02 |
| mspreitz | BTW, my team has a couple of BPs regarding stack lifecycle stuff, with code in review. Could land, if they just got some attention. | 21:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat: Respect schema data type in constraint validation https://review.openstack.org/94641 | 21:03 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: I hope it will help to make Heat performance better (if we found some problems) | 21:03 |
| zaneb | skraynev: cool, that's exciting :) | 21:05 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: :) | 21:07 |
| zaneb | skraynev: do SpamapS and stevebaker know about it already? | 21:07 |
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| skraynev | possibly no :( It was merged recently and I wait a free discussion on meeting to share this news. | 21:08 |
| stevebaker | skraynev, rally has landed \o/ | 21:08 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev, do you run it with devstack? | 21:09 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: yes | 21:09 |
| stevebaker | skraynev, any chance you could put together a quick blog post or mailing list post describing how to run the rally heat tests on devstack? | 21:10 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: works good. I think that I could provide some "interesting" graphs with testing results soon. | 21:10 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: ok, will do. It will be good experience for me. | 21:11 |
| stevebaker | getting osprofiler into heat would also show some very "interesting" things I suspect | 21:11 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: yeah. I will discuss it with Boris. | 21:12 |
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| skraynev | time to sleep | 21:17 |
| skraynev | zaneb, stevebaker: bye | 21:17 |
| zaneb | o/ | 21:18 |
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| miarmak | hi guys! | 21:33 |
| mspreitz | hi | 21:34 |
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| miarmak | Do I understand correctly, that in stable/havana release I can not create a bunch of instances (specifying it amount in stack parameters via CLI for example) in multiple Neutron networks? (subnet_id do not offer, I don't have permissions to create a port) | 21:36 |
| miarmak | I mean without any code fixes of cource) | 21:37 |
| mspreitz | each instance in set S of networks, or each instance in one network different from others? | 21:37 |
| miarmak | I just shoul specify it. They can be in one network | 21:38 |
| mspreitz | You mean each instance configured the same, right? | 21:38 |
| miarmak | yeah | 21:39 |
| mspreitz | So this is a question about nova CLI and Neutron support? | 21:39 |
| miarmak | no, question about heat) | 21:39 |
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| miarmak | with Nova itis no roblems | 21:40 |
| miarmak | problems* | 21:40 |
| mspreitz | You know that OS::Nova::Server has a "networks" property today, and you are asking if it is in stable/Havana too? | 21:41 |
| miarmak | Yes, I know. And it has in Havana too | 21:42 |
| miarmak | question about group of instances | 21:42 |
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| mspreitz | Your question is about OS::Heat::InstanceGroup ? | 21:44 |
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| miarmak | and about it too | 21:44 |
| miarmak | It has field size, ok | 21:44 |
| mspreitz | About what, besides OS::Heat::InstanceGroup, are you asking? | 21:45 |
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| miarmak | OS::Heat::InstanceGroup, AWS::AutoScaling::AutoScalingGroup and AWS::AutoScaling::LaunchConfiguration | 21:45 |
| miarmak | so, OS::Heat::InstanceGroup has field 'size' | 21:45 |
| mspreitz | AFAIK, AWS::AutoScaling::LaunchConfiguration never allowed a network list | 21:46 |
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| mspreitz | so that rules it out for AWS::AutoScaling::AutoScalingGroup | 21:46 |
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| mspreitz | and OS::Heat::InstanceGroup too | 21:46 |
| miarmak | yes, and moreover, you can not specify the resource type there\ | 21:46 |
| miarmak | It hardcoded to AWS::EC2::Instance | 21:46 |
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| mspreitz | I'm not sure you can't do something with your Environment, but the LaunchConfig stymies you | 21:47 |
| mspreitz | If OS::Heat::ResourceGroup was in Havana, you could use that | 21:48 |
| mspreitz | I don't remember exactly when it was introduced | 21:48 |
| miarmak | I saw it only in Icehouse | 21:48 |
| mspreitz | My vague memory is that it came in at the start of Icehouse | 21:48 |
| miarmak | but maybe was any workaround in Havana? How people lived with it?) | 21:49 |
| mspreitz | I never did such a thing with Havana. | 21:49 |
| miarmak | yes, you right. in november | 21:49 |
| miarmak | you did not need creating for example 10 the same VMs? | 21:49 |
| mspreitz | I'm new here, my statements are about how recently I got involved, not what I need | 21:50 |
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| miarmak | oh, okey) | 21:51 |
| miarmak | thanks anway | 21:51 |
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| mspreitz | yw | 21:51 |
| mspreitz | I gotta go now | 21:51 |
| mspreitz | bye | 21:51 |
| miarmak | bye | 21:51 |
| miarmak | so, maybe anyone knows any workaround on this issue?) | 21:52 |
| stevebaker | miarmak: AWS::AutoScaling::AutoScalingGroup has VPCZoneIdentifier to specify your subnet http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/cfn.html#AWS::AutoScaling::AutoScalingGroup | 21:54 |
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| miarmak | stevebaker: yeah, but it is subnet | 21:54 |
| miarmak | stevebaker: I don't have permissions to create port( | 21:54 |
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| miarmak | stevebaker: so, I interested in 2 points: 1. Where I could provide network_id parameter r 2. Where I can specify resource type for group (OS::Nova::Server has such field) | 21:56 |
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| stevebaker | miarmak: we're limited to being compatible with the AWS resources, so I can only recommend that you upgrade to icehouse and port your templates to using OS native resources | 21:57 |
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| miarmak | stevebaker: so, in havana I can not do such thing? | 21:59 |
| miarmak | I had to try) | 21:59 |
| miarmak | stevebaker: thanks a lot for help | 22:00 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning | 22:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Assume compute service_type for nova client https://review.openstack.org/97971 | 23:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use a dict for clients memoization https://review.openstack.org/97972 | 23:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Deprecate direct access to clients methods https://review.openstack.org/97973 | 23:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make heat.engine.clients a package https://review.openstack.org/97974 | 23:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Base class for client plugins https://review.openstack.org/97975 | 23:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Initialise client plugins https://review.openstack.org/97976 | 23:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement nova client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97977 | 23:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement swift client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97978 | 23:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement glance client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97979 | 23:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement neutron client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97980 | 23:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement cinder client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97981 | 23:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement trove client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97982 | 23:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement ceilometer client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97983 | 23:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement heat client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97984 | 23:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement keystone client plugin https://review.openstack.org/97985 | 23:25 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: that's ambitious, with the gate in its current state ;) | 23:25 |
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| SpamapS | o_O | 23:26 |
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| stevebaker | everything after the first 4 is WIP | 23:31 |
| zaneb | coward | 23:32 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: It turns out I did to that thing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96618/ | 23:49 |
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