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| mspreitz | sdake_: thanks. I have been listening to Sean Dague, who advocates editing outside the directories used by DevStack | 00:00 |
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| sdake_ | ya, i use devstack in a different way then he proposes | 00:01 |
| sdake_ | persoally I htink its up to you how you want to use the tools | 00:01 |
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| sdake_ | there is no "prescribed" way | 00:01 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: meeting time? | 00:01 |
| mspreitz | Yes, I'm just trying to figure out what will work well for me. | 00:01 |
| stevebaker | yes, #openstack-meeting-alt | 00:01 |
| spzala | hmmm, meeting time? | 00:01 |
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| mspreitz | that's what my calendar tells me | 00:02 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: you could run the tests with tox, it will create a venv | 00:02 |
| mspreitz | stevebaker: tox installs pip dependencies but not system dependencies | 00:03 |
| mspreitz | I already worked through three, got tired of debugging | 00:03 |
| mspreitz | I think I will try using DevStack to install my incompletely edited change, I know it is good enough to run (from an earlier trial in a deleted VM) | 00:03 |
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| zaneb | gah! unit tests. why won't you fail??? | 00:04 |
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| sdake_ | msprietz make sure to commit it first | 00:06 |
| sdake_ | then you can edit it with git commit --amend | 00:06 |
| sdake_ | or you may lose your change | 00:07 |
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| mspreitz | sdake_: yes, it's committed. Thanks. | 00:14 |
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| stevebaker | sdake_: how would I install os-*-config from rpm today? | 00:22 |
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| zaneb | yaaaay | 00:55 |
| zaneb | it's fixed. | 00:56 |
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| sdake | stevebaker you could download the rpms and install that way | 02:01 |
| sdake | stevebaker you may be able to use updates-testing | 02:01 |
| sdake | once that is done, if you approve the code, you can give it karma which will put in the stable repos | 02:01 |
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| sdake_ | stevebaker you want to be careful with updates-testing, if you update your whole distro from there bad things will happen | 02:03 |
| sdake_ | there is a way to specify just one package for an update from updates-testing, but I don't recall the exact syntax | 02:03 |
| sdake_ | I think it is documented somewhere in the openstack rpm fedora guides | 02:03 |
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| stevebaker | sdake: This worked for me: yum -y --enablerepo=updates-testing install os-collect-config os-refresh-config os-apply-config | 02:21 |
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| stevebaker | sdake: I think I've found issues with all 3 packages, what is the best way to capture them? | 02:23 |
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| stevebaker | sdake_: its a heat-provisioned vm so not really a problem | 02:38 |
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| sdake_ | stevebaker sounds good | 02:47 |
| sdake_ | i'm out for the night - enjoy | 02:48 |
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| mspreitz | um, is everything OK in the gate? | 03:44 |
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| cmyster | morning | 04:36 |
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| skraynev | morning | 07:45 |
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| pas-ha | morning | 09:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Add one example to show deploy sequence https://review.openstack.org/81757 | 10:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Add one example to show deploy sequence https://review.openstack.org/81757 | 10:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Add one example to show deploy sequence https://review.openstack.org/81757 | 10:14 |
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| sdake | morning | 12:09 |
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| funzo | sdake: early bird gets the worm | 12:12 |
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| sdake | 5am ftl | 12:21 |
| sdake | normally I am not up until 6:30 | 12:21 |
| sdake | but when ure awake, ure awake | 12:21 |
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| sdake | funzo young bull and the old bull :) | 12:27 |
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| funzo | haha | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | yikes 5am | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | that is early | 12:27 |
| sdake | are you familiar with that story | 12:27 |
| sdake | ya it is early | 12:27 |
| funzo | sdake: yeah, I'm familiar | 12:28 |
| sdake | my bitcoin mining empire growing funzo | 12:31 |
| asalkeld | funzo, so why aren't you guys getting stuck into solum? | 12:31 |
| sdake | I bought a 200gigahash miner for 1.45 bitcoins | 12:31 |
| funzo | sdake: awesome | 12:31 |
| asalkeld | sdake stop bragging;) | 12:31 |
| funzo | asalkeld: I will probably get refocused on it when rht summit is over | 12:31 |
| sdake | not bragging, its like a hobby for making money | 12:31 |
| cmyster | morning sdake, I hope all is well with you ? | 12:32 |
| funzo | sdake: can I live in your basement when i'm old? | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | ha, that is what it is | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | sdake you comming to summit? | 12:32 |
| sdake | ods yes, rht summit no | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | I am planning on you buying me beers | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | :) | 12:32 |
| funzo | asalkeld: well played | 12:32 |
| sdake | sweet we can get hammered together :) | 12:32 |
| sdake | I wont be in paris however | 12:32 |
| sdake | atleast not if I can help it :) | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | I loved paris | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | really cool city | 12:33 |
| sdake | i've been 4 times to paris | 12:33 |
| sdake | saw notre dam, got private tour of the luv | 12:33 |
| sdake | bunch of other touristy things | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | just stay away from the yummy pastries if you don't want to look like a donut | 12:34 |
| sdake | i was at notre dam during services which was really sweet to watch | 12:34 |
| funzo | that sounds like an excellent trip | 12:34 |
| sdake | I don't do well in france because they dont speak english on purpose and I can't even make an attempt at french | 12:35 |
| sdake | i had better luck communicating in china then in france | 12:35 |
| asalkeld | well you need to assume that | 12:35 |
| sdake | in bejinig everyone speaks english | 12:36 |
| sdake | which is surprising | 12:36 |
| asalkeld | and then you get pleasantly suprised from time to time | 12:36 |
| funzo | bejinig is a suburb of beijing | 12:36 |
| sdake | lol | 12:36 |
| cmyster | sdake: I had the exact opposite exp, maybe its because I was there for work... | 12:36 |
| cmyster | there = France | 12:36 |
| sdake | i was going to go to japan once, but robyn popped out a baby instead | 12:36 |
| cmyster | how dare those babies pop... | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | i'd prefer to go to japan than china | 12:37 |
| sdake | china is sweet | 12:37 |
| sdake | except the polution is terrible | 12:37 |
| cmyster | was there for my black belt trials... amazing place | 12:37 |
| cmyster | (jap) | 12:37 |
| cmyster | well not exactly Japan, Okinawa is different again | 12:37 |
| sdake | cmyster which school of study | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | gotta get some sleep | 12:38 |
| asalkeld | later | 12:38 |
| sdake | later asalkeld | 12:38 |
| cmyster | iojkf | 12:38 |
| cmyster | later asalkeld | 12:38 |
| cmyster | aka Karate Do | 12:38 |
| sdake | I saw the grandmaster on amazon VOD, that is as much as I know about hung fu | 12:38 |
| sdake | hung/kung | 12:39 |
| sdake | "Kung Fu is about precision. If anything is damaged, the win is yours." | 12:39 |
| sdake | most epic line ever | 12:39 |
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| cmyster | kong fu iirc is not being trained anymore, its all wu shu but I am not an expert on the subject | 12:49 |
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| Akshik_ | what is the format to specify the network id in heat template | 13:10 |
| sdake | cmyster ya the grand master is about wu shu | 13:12 |
| sdake | its a really good movie if your into fighting movies | 13:12 |
| sdake | cmyster really well done - nice cinematics - good fight scenese | 13:12 |
| sdake | its the story of ip man | 13:12 |
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| cmyster | thanks sdake but I don't like those... on the other hand you might want to watch The TRollHunter | 13:20 |
| sdake | The grandmaster is a beutiful film, I'd recommend for almost anyone :) | 13:22 |
| sdake | I'll check out trollhunter tongiht | 13:22 |
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| larsks | +1 for trollhunter esp. if you grew up on troll stories. | 13:37 |
| cmyster | yup | 13:37 |
| cmyster | bbl | 13:37 |
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| larsks | An on topic question...does heat *always* try to create users in keystone when building a stack? Or only when the stack includes wait conditions? | 13:40 |
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| balle | i all | 13:41 |
| balle | lol hi all | 13:41 |
| balle | short question: can i somehow create an external network with heat? | 13:41 |
| balle | using neutron networking and hot syntax? | 13:42 |
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| larsks | balle: I don't know for certain, but the os::neutron::net resource type doesn't seem to include the necessary properties to do so. You can however create routers and connections to an existing external network. | 13:44 |
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| balle | i asked in hope i've overlooked something :) | 13:45 |
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| sdake | cmyster I added some comments on your etherpad | 14:00 |
| sdake | cmyster we did some extensive planning already around tempest, have a look at the links | 14:00 |
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| jaustinpage | stevebaker: in resource creation (resource.py:344) if you are running in heat standalone mode, shouldn't this client be initialized differently than the default method? | 15:10 |
| jaustinpage | stevebaker: sorry, wrong line number, line 384 | 15:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Using resolving properties for update https://review.openstack.org/80569 | 16:57 |
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| sdake_ | quick can folks give me examples of other delarative DSLs | 17:30 |
| sdake_ | puppet/chef come to mind | 17:30 |
| sdake_ | any others? | 17:31 |
| sdake_ | zaneb^ | 17:31 |
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| ryansb | sdake_: https://github.com/antifuchs/gmail-britta (not infrastructure-y, but is declarative) | 17:42 |
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| sdake_ | ransb thanks | 17:56 |
| sdake_ | zaneb would you classify intrinsic functions as part of the HOT standard? | 17:57 |
| zaneb | yes | 17:57 |
| sdake_ | what aobut pluggable intrinics? | 17:57 |
| zaneb | fair question | 17:58 |
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| zaneb | I don't have a good answer for that | 17:58 |
| sdake_ | zaneb where can I get a list of all the current intrinsics that would be considered part of hot? | 18:00 |
| zaneb | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/hot/functions.py#L206 | 18:00 |
| sdake_ | zaneb thanks you rock | 18:00 |
| zaneb | expect some of those to go away though | 18:00 |
| sdake_ | could you identify off the top of your head which ones will disappear | 18:01 |
| zaneb | Fn::ResourceFacade needs a native HOT replacement | 18:01 |
| zaneb | all of the Fn:: ones should disappear | 18:01 |
| zaneb | the plan atm is not to replace any of the others | 18:01 |
| sdake_ | are all of the Fn:: handled by other intrinics? | 18:02 |
| sdake_ | minus resource facade? | 18:02 |
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| zaneb | yeah, we think so | 18:04 |
| zaneb | Fn::Select is covered, we think, by the extended syntax of get_param and get_attr | 18:05 |
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| zaneb | str_replace seems to cover the rest | 18:05 |
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| sdake_ | zaneb resources have things for each resource - type, properties, dependson | 18:06 |
| sdake_ | what word would you use to describe these things? | 18:07 |
| sdake_ | options? | 18:07 |
| zaneb | heh, yeah, that's the $64 question, isn't it | 18:07 |
| ryansb | yet again, "cache invalidation and naming things" | 18:08 |
| zaneb | I vaguely recall running across a good term for them at one point | 18:08 |
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| zaneb | but I've forgotten it | 18:08 |
| jasond` | metadata! | 18:08 |
| zaneb | rofl | 18:08 |
| zaneb | jasond`: either metadata or attributes ;) | 18:09 |
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| jasond` | http://www.gentics.com/Content.Node/guides/meta_attributes.html | 18:11 |
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| sdake_ | i'll stick with metadata, since properties is already used in resources | 18:13 |
| sdake_ | I htink overloading the term would cause confusion at my target audience :) | 18:14 |
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| sdake_ | zaneb how would you describe str_replace and get_file | 18:15 |
| sdake_ | I've used str_replace before, but never get_file | 18:15 |
| sdake_ | like a 1 liner | 18:15 |
| sdake_ | for each | 18:15 |
| * sdake_ crowdsources slideware ftw | 18:15 | |
| zaneb | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/hot/functions.py#L135 | 18:16 |
| zaneb | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/hot/functions.py#L176 | 18:16 |
| sdake_ | thanks | 18:17 |
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| sdake_ | zaneb where does get_file retrieve the file to include inline? | 18:18 |
| zaneb | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/hot/functions.py#L182 ;) | 18:19 |
| zaneb | they're passed with the create/update request | 18:19 |
| zaneb | and stored with the template | 18:20 |
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| sdake_ | zaneb thanks makes sense | 18:20 |
| sdake_ | resourcefacade does what? | 18:20 |
| zaneb | allows a provider template to query stuff from it's resource facade | 18:20 |
| zaneb | e.g. get the metadata or deletion policy | 18:21 |
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| zaneb | properties are passed as parameters, but we need a way to get the other... top-level things that we can't think of a name for | 18:21 |
| zaneb | meta-attributes ;) | 18:21 |
| zaneb | anyway, Fn::ResourceFacade is the way to get 'em | 18:22 |
| sdake_ | what do these metaattributes do? | 18:23 |
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| zaneb | sdake_: the three we support are Metadata, DeletionPolicy and UpdatePolicy | 18:33 |
| zaneb | sdake_: just read the scrollback... don't refer to those + Properties as "metadata". That was a joke about the fact that "metadata" already has three different meanings in Heat | 18:36 |
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| sdake_ | zaneb have a better name? properties then? | 18:40 |
| andersonvom | hey folks, is there a way to define an optional parameter in a template with no default value (i.e. it will resolve to None in the code)? | 18:40 |
| zaneb | no, that's already taken too | 18:40 |
| zaneb | AWS calls them Resource Attributes http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSCloudFormation/latest/UserGuide/aws-product-attribute-reference.html | 18:41 |
| zaneb | but then they have a Fn::GetAttr function | 18:41 |
| zaneb | which gets a different kind of attribute | 18:42 |
| zaneb | so that's somewhat confusing too | 18:42 |
| zaneb | sorry, Fn::GetAtt. and HOT has get_attr | 18:42 |
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| zaneb | hey this is new: http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSCloudFormation/latest/UserGuide/intrinsic-function-reference-conditions.html | 18:43 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: ^ | 18:44 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: DOH! | 18:47 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: I just got done saying Heat shouldn't do that yesterday ;) | 18:47 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: but actually it makes a lot of sense and would probably allow some template consolidation in TripleO | 18:48 |
| SpamapS | it isn't really logical branching .. it is just macros IMO | 18:48 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: nicely backtracked ;) | 19:32 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: what are we if not correct.. always.. ? ;-) | 19:38 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: I don't understand the question. ;) | 19:39 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1279645 if you're still not keen to model implicit neutron dependencies maybe we could have delete logic which invokes delete tasks X times until success or give up | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1279645 in heat "stack delete failed when using OS::Neutron::Router's external_gateway_info property" [Medium,Triaged] | 21:18 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: and we handle the create races by raising neutron bugs | 21:20 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: but most issues seem to be on delete | 21:20 |
| zaneb | I'm still trying to understand the problem | 21:21 |
| zaneb | the Subnet can't be deleted before the Router? | 21:21 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: It looks like the router gateway adds a port to the subnet, so the gateway must be removed before the subnet is deleted | 21:22 |
| zaneb | so router gateway should take a reference to a subnet? | 21:23 |
| zaneb | gah, I hate Neutron | 21:23 |
| zaneb | forget Heat, how is *any* user of Neutron supposed to be able to figure out how they can do this stuff? | 21:25 |
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| stevebaker | if the router-gateway property took a subnet, we would have to do a lookup from subnet->net | 21:27 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: I'm fine with that | 21:28 |
| stevebaker | there is an argument for doing retry logic instead, since this is a situation where something is about to happen really soon or not at all | 21:30 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS has a preference for handling dependencies this way in other domains (eg boot services) | 21:31 |
| andersonvom | hey fellows, if I'm submitting new contrib plugins, should I create a bug, blueprint or none to reference in the commit message? | 21:32 |
| stevebaker | maybe its subnet that needs to retry its delete, to give various other resources a chance to delete their ports | 21:32 |
| stevebaker | andersonvom: lets say a blueprint | 21:33 |
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| andersonvom | stevebaker: thanks. =) | 21:34 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: that seems... broken | 21:36 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: but it would mean we don't need to model these dependencies, either implicitly or by designing resources with a different interface than the underlying APIs. | 21:41 |
| zaneb | I'm thinking we should probably copy the hack from RouterGateway | 21:41 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: actually the subnet handle_delete could create a task which polls until the port count is zero. That would allow for manual intervention too if the port is for something not in the stack | 21:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add OS:Barbican:Order resource https://review.openstack.org/81906 | 21:43 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: I'd rather poll for zero ports than add the hack to OS::Nova::Server *as well* https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1243992 | 21:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1243992 in heat "Race on delete between OS::Neutron::Subnet and OS::Nova::Server->networks->uuid" [High,Triaged] | 21:45 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning | 22:12 |
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| lipinski | anyonw know what this means when using a HOT template with a provider? | 23:06 |
| lipinski | ERROR: Property error : Pilots: Property image not assigned | 23:06 |
| lipinski | I have image property in my resource Pilots: image: MCAS4.0-pilot-cloudinit | 23:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Remove dependent module py3kcompat https://review.openstack.org/73558 | 23:21 |
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