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| spzala | stevebaker: Hi. | 00:10 |
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| stevebaker | spzala: hi | 00:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Dake proposed a change to openstack/heat: Tidy up rpc_client definitions https://review.openstack.org/76052 | 00:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Dake proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use olso.messaging https://review.openstack.org/72798 | 00:35 |
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| spzala | stevebaker: sorry, was stepped out. fyi, I have created a stackforge project for heat translator work and have added you and sdake as an initial reviewer. Please take a look when you get a chance. Also created github repo. | 00:35 |
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| spzala | stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75988/ and https://github.com/spzala/heat-translator | 00:35 |
| stevebaker | spzala: nice, I'll check them out | 00:36 |
| spzala | stevebaker: :-) OK. Thanks! | 00:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeff Peeler proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Add template for single node instance of OpenShift https://review.openstack.org/75992 | 01:41 |
| jpeeler | need some HOT assistance on that one ^, but i'm done for tonight. see y'all tomorrow | 01:41 |
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| sdake__ | test cases passing flake8 now, only 135 test cases to fix | 03:55 |
| * sdake__ ughs | 03:55 | |
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| skraynev | morning ! :) | 04:34 |
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| cmyster | Morning | 05:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/72566 | 06:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Liang Chen proposed a change to openstack/heat: Replace '+' with string interpolation operation https://review.openstack.org/75794 | 06:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Liang Chen proposed a change to openstack/heat: Re-enable lazy translation https://review.openstack.org/75800 | 06:39 |
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| therve | Good morning! | 08:14 |
| cmyster | morning | 08:16 |
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| shardy | morning all | 08:24 |
| cmyster | morning | 08:24 |
| shardy | therve: Hey, are you still going to be at the cloud expo in London this week? | 08:25 |
| therve | shardy, Yes. Arriving tomorrow morning, leaving thursday afternoon | 08:25 |
| therve | The heat tutorial is tomorrow afternoon | 08:26 |
| shardy | therve: cool, I'm planning to attend - do you have all the help you need for the heat tutorial? | 08:26 |
| therve | shardy, We'll see :) I'm still building the content. But I should be fine :) | 08:27 |
| TonyBurn_ | I was just talking about cloudexpo in another channel, gutted I cant justify the travel from Germany to attend | 08:27 |
| TonyBurn_ | :/ | 08:27 |
| therve | shardy, I wasn't planning to debug selinux problems! | 08:27 |
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| shardy | therve: setenforce 0 ftw ;) | 08:28 |
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| shardy | therve: I'll come along and say hi, happy to help and/or chat to folks about Heat | 08:28 |
| therve | shardy, That'd be awesome | 08:28 |
| shardy | therve: would also be good to have a chat over a coffee/beer if there is time :) | 08:29 |
| shardy | (beer after the tutorial is probably wise ;) | 08:29 |
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| therve | I'm sure there'll be questions I can't answer | 08:30 |
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| shardy | therve: I didn't see a time or location on the expo site - what time is the heat session kicking off? | 08:31 |
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| therve | Hum that's unfortunate | 08:32 |
| cmyster | therve: this will be recorded right ? | 08:32 |
| * shardy possibly didn't look hard enough | 08:32 | |
| therve | shardy, http://www.cloudexpoeurope.com/Content/Open-Cloud-Forum/3_46/ | 08:33 |
| therve | If you develop the Feb 26 panel | 08:33 |
| therve | cmyster, I doubt it. | 08:33 |
| therve | It's a 3h hands on tutorial, I don't think it would work very well anyway | 08:33 |
| cmyster | hmmm | 08:33 |
| cmyster | too bad I would love such a 3h tut :) | 08:34 |
| shardy | therve: aha, thanks, I missed that because it's not linked from the summary above | 08:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Van Eck proposed a change to openstack/heat: Allow proper instance with volume suspension https://review.openstack.org/76126 | 08:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: "version" section should be required in template https://review.openstack.org/69808 | 10:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Tidy up rpc_client definitions https://review.openstack.org/76052 | 10:31 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/71345 | 10:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Yang proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add state check when suspend or resume resourse https://review.openstack.org/76155 | 11:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add config options to specify stack domain admin https://review.openstack.org/76035 | 11:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: StackUser add suspend/resume support https://review.openstack.org/71930 | 11:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: migrate StackUser base class to stack domain users https://review.openstack.org/71210 | 11:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: heat_keystoneclient add delete_stack_domain_user_keypair https://review.openstack.org/71929 | 11:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Modify stack_user_domain config option to take domain ID https://review.openstack.org/73978 | 11:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Order imports in alphabetical order (5/9) https://review.openstack.org/71515 | 11:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Changed Openstack into OpenStack in contrib.rst https://review.openstack.org/75228 | 12:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Fixed incorrect indentation in the tests https://review.openstack.org/74404 | 12:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Yang proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add state check when suspend or resume resourse https://review.openstack.org/76183 | 12:58 |
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| sdake | morning | 13:06 |
| shardy | morning sdake | 13:06 |
| sdake | hey shardy | 13:08 |
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| sdake | sweet cern has a 50k node count of rdo | 13:19 |
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| cmyster | yup | 13:23 |
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| andersonvom | morning! | 13:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Dake proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use olso.messaging https://review.openstack.org/72798 | 13:33 |
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| sdake | shardy what do you think about kds | 13:42 |
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| shardy | sdake: haven't really looked into it yet tbh | 13:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: migrate User/AccessKey resources to StackUser base class https://review.openstack.org/72763 | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: StackUser add _delete_keypair function https://review.openstack.org/72762 | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: engine: allow stack_user_project users to retrieve stack https://review.openstack.org/71300 | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add test for StackUser._create_keypair https://review.openstack.org/72761 | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add config options to specify stack domain admin https://review.openstack.org/76035 | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: StackUser add suspend/resume support https://review.openstack.org/71930 | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: migrate StackUser base class to stack domain users https://review.openstack.org/71210 | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: heat_keystoneclient add delete_stack_domain_user_keypair https://review.openstack.org/71929 | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Modify stack_user_domain config option to take domain ID https://review.openstack.org/73978 | 13:49 |
| sdake | its a way of securing rpc | 13:49 |
| sdake | tech talk in 1.25 hours | 13:49 |
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| sdake | pretty sure heat would have to use a "group" | 13:50 |
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| sdake | wonder what the performance tradeoff is per msg | 13:50 |
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| shardy | would be interesting to understand the arguments for implementing an openstack specific solution rather than relying on the security configuration of the underlying broker | 13:51 |
| sdake | I think that logic is presented at the tech talk | 13:52 |
| sdake | however, since we would use a "group" we are more limited in the protections afforded | 13:52 |
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| sdake | personally my thought is if someone breaks into your message bus, you have bigger problems :) | 13:53 |
| shardy | +1 | 13:53 |
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| sdake | I guess the problem now is every service (heat, nova, glance, etc) which coudl be on different nodes and attacked differently alls hare the same message bus credentials | 13:54 |
| sdake | so any one of them become an attack vector for the entire infrastructure | 13:54 |
| sdake | so kds prevents the problem of "oh snap my glance server got busted into" turning into "snap my entire datacenter is rooted" | 13:55 |
| shardy | Well e.g qpid already has acl stuff which allows service separation | 13:55 |
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| sdake | acl is password based? | 13:56 |
| sdake | I dont see that in oslo.messaging per say | 13:56 |
| sdake | but perhaps I msised it | 13:57 |
| shardy | I believe it (qpid) can be plugged into kerberos, but I've no idea if rabbit does similar, or of oslo supports any of it | 13:58 |
| shardy | s/of/if | 13:58 |
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| sdake | whenever I read kerberos, my brain without understanding precisely what it does, thinks "big pain in the ass to deal with for everybody." | 13:59 |
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| sdake | so much fat in how openstack operates | 14:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Vyacheslav Vakhlyuev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Replaced assertEqual(None,x) with assertIsNone(x) in unit tests https://review.openstack.org/76209 | 14:03 |
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| sdake | spzala ugh delete the pyc in your repo please :) https://github.com/spzala/heat-translator/tree/master/heat-translator/tosca | 14:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Yang proposed a change to openstack/heat: Ensure parameter timeout_mins available in update https://review.openstack.org/76211 | 14:12 |
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| therve | shardy, I get a 401 testing current master signals. Any idea where to look? | 14:13 |
| shardy | therve: can you paste the backtrace from the engine log pls? | 14:13 |
| therve | shardy, http://paste.openstack.org/show/69425/ | 14:14 |
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| shardy | therve: is it happening on create? | 14:15 |
| therve | shardy, On signal, using AlarmUrl | 14:16 |
| radix | good morning | 14:16 |
| therve | Oh hum | 14:17 |
| therve | shardy, I need to use password auth, don't I | 14:17 |
| therve | Hi radix | 14:17 |
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| shardy | therve: you need to pass in username/password on create, or use deferred_auth_method=trusts | 14:18 |
| therve | Oh yeah trusts, that's true | 14:18 |
| therve | shardy, Thanks | 14:18 |
| shardy | therve: is it a new resource? Existing SignalResponder resources should force you to pass User/Key due to _validate_deferred_auth_context in service.py | 14:19 |
| shardy | so it may be some other issue | 14:19 |
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| shardy | we should really switch to trusts as the default IMO | 14:20 |
| therve | shardy, Yeah, it's new, but I think I passed a dummy password | 14:20 |
| shardy | aha, that'll be it then :) | 14:20 |
| therve | shardy, Horizon requires it all the time, so I got used to pass random stuff :/ | 14:21 |
| shardy | I've had trusts enabled for all of Icehouse, probably about time we made everyone else start using the "new" stuff :) | 14:21 |
| shardy | then the whole user/pass issue goes away | 14:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Check that 'heat_template_version' is a HOT version https://review.openstack.org/73021 | 14:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhang Yang proposed a change to openstack/heat: Ensure parameter timeout_mins available in update https://review.openstack.org/76211 | 14:23 |
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| therve | shardy, Do you know if it can be set in devstack so that it survives devstack restart? | 14:24 |
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| shardy | therve: not currently, you'd have to either update heat.conf.sample in /opt/stack/heat or hack devstack/lib/heat configure_heat | 14:27 |
| therve | Too bad | 14:28 |
| shardy | therve: I'll post a patch adding a variable | 14:28 |
| therve | shardy, I think they may have a generic conf file editing mechanism now? | 14:29 |
| shardy | therve: possibly, I'm a novice devstack hacker ;) | 14:29 |
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| therve | Yeah me too | 14:31 |
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| shardy | therve: http://devstack.org/configuration.html | 14:34 |
| shardy | local.conf appears to be the answer | 14:35 |
| therve | Ah cool | 14:35 |
| therve | Because I get the signal problem I had the other day | 14:35 |
| therve | And I don't remember how to fix it :) | 14:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Order imports in alphabetical order (3/9) https://review.openstack.org/71513 | 14:37 |
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| sdake | jasond jasond`` could you run through a potential split brain scenario with me related to stack locking? | 14:48 |
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| jasond | sdake: sure | 14:48 |
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| sdake | jasond two heat engines on different machines | 14:48 |
| sdake | heat client sends a stack create to engine #1 which is long running - takes 2 hours for example | 14:49 |
| sdake | later the cat decides to delete the stack before it completes, but heat engine #1' ethernet has been pulled for whatever reason | 14:49 |
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| sdake | so he deletes | 14:49 |
| sdake | the timer times out on the alive request, and then engine #2 takes the lock and completes the delete | 14:49 |
| sdake | during the delete operation | 14:49 |
| sdake | heat engine #1's ethernet is plugged back in | 14:50 |
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| sdake | how does heat engine #1 know not to continue its work? | 14:50 |
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| therve | shardy, I need to run commands to create the roles too. Do you have them somewhere? | 14:50 |
| jasond | sdake: it wouldn't | 14:51 |
| sdake | jasond so all hell would break lose? :) | 14:51 |
| jasond | engine #1 would blow up in unknown ways :) | 14:51 |
| jasond | the timeout could always be increased if network flapping was an issue, but that would cause extra latency | 14:52 |
| sdake | a possible way to fix this is to add a timer to the lock for the creating/updating lifecycle operations | 14:52 |
| shardy | therve: keystone role-create --name heat_stack_owner && keystone user-role-add --role heat_stack_owner --user auser --tenant atenant | 14:52 |
| sdake | if the timer times out, the lock would have to be reaquired before further work was done | 14:52 |
| therve | shardy, thanks | 14:52 |
| sdake | if it was found to be owned by heat engine #2, it would cease operation | 14:52 |
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| jasond | sdake: so the engine who has the lock would check in periodically? | 14:53 |
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| shardy | therve: I'll look at a devstack patch which automates that | 14:53 |
| sdake | it would check the lock periodically | 14:53 |
| sdake | at an interval of 1/2 - 10% of the time required for the lock to be stolen | 14:54 |
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| sdake | I'm pretty sure that would fix it | 14:54 |
| jasond | sdake: that was considered early on. trying to remember all the caveats | 14:55 |
| sdake | what we have now isn't really workable at scale imo :) | 14:55 |
| shardy | therve: note for real usage, trusts_delegated_roles would need to be whatever list of roles is actually needed to do the deferred actions, heat_stack_owner is just a placeholder because you can't delegate zero roles | 14:55 |
| sdake | having heat engines implode is suboptimal :) | 14:55 |
| therve | shardy, Hum okay... | 14:56 |
| sdake | the interval for the lock timer should be stored in the database as well | 14:57 |
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| sdake | since it could change from heat engine to heat engine lock steal | 14:57 |
| jasond | sdake: agreed. as an aside, the stack timeout would have to be increased for a create to take 2 hours, right? | 14:57 |
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| sdake | jasond probably | 14:58 |
| sdake | but what is the max now, 60 minutes? | 14:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Expand get_file using to template scope https://review.openstack.org/76223 | 14:58 |
| sdake | the same kind of network partition could happen on the order of 10s of seconds | 14:58 |
| jasond | sdake: yes, 60 min | 14:59 |
| jasond | sdake: as it is implemented, all engines do need to be able to communicate with rabbit at all times | 15:00 |
| sdake | jasond I think that assumption is suboptimal :( | 15:00 |
| jasond | sdake: how could we guarantee that check in interval | 15:00 |
| jasond | ? | 15:00 |
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| sdake | one way is to make the lock steal timer global across all engines | 15:02 |
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| sdake | (time interval) | 15:02 |
| jasond | i wonder how zookeeper handles its liveness check when there's a network outage (not that i'm considering using it at this point) | 15:02 |
| sdake | then the checkin could be 50% of that time interval minus 5-10% for scheduling overhead | 15:02 |
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| sdake | dealing with split brain is a huge pita :( | 15:03 |
| sdake | I think our model is pretty solid - we don't rely on a distributed key manager, instead we localize it in one sql datastore | 15:03 |
| jasond | sdake: tell me more about this global lock steal timer | 15:04 |
| sdake | localize/centralize | 15:04 |
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| jasond | that's just a timestamp in the db? | 15:05 |
| sdake | I'm not quite sure how lock stealing is blocked atm | 15:06 |
| sdake | it doesn't look like it is | 15:06 |
| therve | shardy, i get the same error using trusts or password, which is that signal can talk to nova, when when in the request nova talks to neutron it fails :/ | 15:06 |
| sdake | have a global time interval, lets say 10 seconds, where it is not possible to begin stealing a lock until that timer has expired | 15:06 |
| therve | I know it has something to do with auth, but I don't know what | 15:07 |
| shardy | therve: have you got a paste from the nova logs? | 15:07 |
| jasond | sdake: why not just increase cfg.CONF.engine_life_check_timeout to 10 seconds? | 15:07 |
| sdake | jasond does that prevent locks from being stolen for 10 seconds? | 15:08 |
| therve | shardy, http://paste.openstack.org/show/69445/ | 15:08 |
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| sdake | jasond then have a separate db lock check for active lifecycle operations of 4 seconds (10/2 - 10%) | 15:09 |
| shardy | NeutronClientException: 400-{'message': ''} | 15:09 |
| shardy | *super* helpful | 15:09 |
| sdake | if the db lock check fails to show the same heat engine owns the lock as is doing the operation, it stops the operation | 15:09 |
| therve | Yeah... | 15:09 |
| jasond | sdake: if an "active" lock is found in the db, then the engine_alive check will be initiated. if the engine_life_check_timeout is 10 seconds, it will give the other engine up to 10 seconds to respond | 15:09 |
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| sdake | cool so engine_life_check_timeout could be different per engine, which is why it should be global :) | 15:10 |
| jasond | if the network goes back to normal within engine_life_check_timeout, the lock will be verified as active | 15:10 |
| sdake | if the network goes out for 11 seconds bad things happen :) | 15:11 |
| sdake | 10 seconds is pretty aggressive, alot of nic hardware has built in watchdog timers to reset them if they go haywire | 15:11 |
| sdake | and the full recycle of the nic takes 5-10 seconds | 15:11 |
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| jasond | sdake: yep, but the same problem exists with the timer/checking in | 15:12 |
| sdake | yup db also lost access | 15:12 |
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| jasond | sdake: should we increase the engine_life_check_timeout default from 2 to 10? | 15:13 |
| jasond | there would be no performance impact except in the case of dead engines or network issues | 15:13 |
| sdake | one thing you could do is IF the db lost access for the 4 seconds, you could automatically stop the stack, then restart it later once the db was avaiable | 15:13 |
| shardy | therve: to me it looks like the auth is OK, but some bug in either nova or neutron is preventing the request being handled correctly | 15:13 |
| jasond | sdake: but won't all sorts of things break if an engine loses db access? | 15:14 |
| sdake | jasond possible but I'm trying to solve one problem at a time :) | 15:15 |
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| jasond | sdake: no db is a tough one :) | 15:16 |
| sdake | I think increasing the default above 2 makes sense | 15:17 |
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| jasond | sdake: i'll do that. thanks for the feedback | 15:19 |
| sdake | jasond I'd recommend applying some brainpower to the problem as well, maybe you can come up with something :) | 15:20 |
| jpeeler | does a param in HOT have to start with a letter? | 15:22 |
| jasond | sdake: if an engine that had active locks legitimately dies, do you think it's reasonable for another engine to wait around for 10 seconds during acquire? | 15:23 |
| sdake | how do you know it legitimately died? | 15:24 |
| sdake | vs just network partitioned for a short while | 15:24 |
| jasond | well the other engine wouldn't know that | 15:25 |
| sdake | yes, it is impossible to know ;) | 15:25 |
| sdake | the conditional doesn't parse :) | 15:25 |
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| andersonvom | hey folks, does anybody know what stack_user_project_id is? and what it's being used for? | 15:26 |
| sdake | if (figure_out_the_imposssible): | 15:26 |
| sdake | do X | 15:26 |
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| jasond | sdake: "RabbitMQ clusters do not tolerate network partitions well. If you are thinking of clustering across a WAN, don't." https://www.rabbitmq.com/partitions.html | 15:26 |
| sdake | the most often cause of a network partition is when the network cable on a machine gets pulled out by a tech | 15:27 |
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| sdake | not WAN partitions | 15:27 |
| jasond | ah ok | 15:28 |
| jasond | still, a lot of things will break when that happens | 15:28 |
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| therve | shardy, Yeah I don't have anything to back it up unfortunately | 15:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Alter stack_count_all_by_tenant to stack_count_all https://review.openstack.org/70853 | 15:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Change Stack timestamps to save correct info https://review.openstack.org/74519 | 15:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Unscoped List Stacks https://review.openstack.org/63041 | 15:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix stack_get_all call on stack watcher https://review.openstack.org/75495 | 15:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Check resources are in expected states https://review.openstack.org/58641 | 16:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix start_with_acquired_lock - pass kwargs to func https://review.openstack.org/76251 | 16:22 |
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| therve | radix, When you tested your scaling group, did you test signal events? | 16:32 |
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| aweiteka | sdake, i keep seeing my registered resource in the heat-engine.log. is this a check-in? can you point me to a page that explains what's going on? | 16:36 |
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| sdake | aweiteka could you point me at the long messages you are concerned about (paste them) | 16:46 |
| sdake | long/log | 16:46 |
| aweiteka | sdake, INFO heat.engine.environment [-] Registering OpenShift::Node::Server -> file:///root/heat-templates/openshift-enterprise/heat/neutron/highly-available/ose_node_stack.yaml | 16:46 |
| shardy | aweiteka: it's just info telling you the engine is registering your provider resource template as a resource type | 16:48 |
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| aweiteka | shardy, i would expect to see this during stack deployment but then it occurs periodically afterwards. just curious, really. no biggie | 16:50 |
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| shardy | aweiteka: Yeah we don't store the resolved environment AFAICS so it will output that every time we load a stack from the DB as well as on initial creation (e.g during deferred operations like autoscaling) | 16:54 |
| aweiteka | shardy, oh, ok | 16:55 |
| aweiteka | shardy, thanks | 16:55 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: when you're around.. PING .. I need to start working on graceful notification.. I was waiting for you to pop back up on HOT stuff. | 17:05 |
| SpamapS | doh | 17:05 |
| SpamapS | I swore I'd never say "HOT stuff" again.. and now I've done it. | 17:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix HOT set_stack_id https://review.openstack.org/76261 | 17:11 |
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| radix | therve: no, I didn't test signals live, just in the tests | 17:20 |
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| radix | I did test the core live though | 17:20 |
| radix | I mean, AutoScalingGroup itself | 17:20 |
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| therve | radix, Okay | 17:21 |
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| radix | therve: is there something suspicious? I'm spinning up a devstack now | 17:21 |
| therve | radix, No it's unrelated to your code changes | 17:22 |
| therve | I was just wondering if you made it work | 17:22 |
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| therve | I'm trying the AWS one and having issues | 17:22 |
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| radix | great :P | 17:23 |
| therve | I'm also using neutron which probably make things worse | 17:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Richard Lee proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make Keystone client pluggable https://review.openstack.org/74190 | 17:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Richard Lee proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add Keystone V2 plugin https://review.openstack.org/74191 | 17:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove redundant FnGetAtt from User resource https://review.openstack.org/76274 | 17:39 |
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| radix | andersonvom: so, really, there's no reason to make a class that has a __new__ that doesn't even return an instance of that class | 17:48 |
| radix | if it returns instances, fine | 17:48 |
| radix | but if it doesn't, it can't for example be used with isinstance() | 17:49 |
| radix | so it serves no purpose other than to be confusing | 17:49 |
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| andersonvom | radix: that is true. however, having a function that looks like a class makes it even more confusing, IMO | 17:52 |
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| andersonvom | radix: I'd be ok with changing the whole interface and start using a function in all places, but it seems to be beyond the scope of this patch | 17:54 |
| radix | I don't agree, but I'm not sure I can make any points that you would buy :) | 17:54 |
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| radix | basically, I think there's way too much utterly pointless metaprogramming going on in the Heat codebase, and I want to minimize it. | 17:55 |
| andersonvom | radix: I couldn't agree more. | 17:57 |
| andersonvom | radix: what we could do, that I'd also be ok with, is creating a dummy KeystoneClient class, and let all clients inherit from it | 17:57 |
| andersonvom | radix: then the new class would work pretty much like a factory | 17:57 |
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| radix | andersonvom: nah, don't change it, it's ok. | 18:00 |
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| andersonvom | radix: I mean... I do agree with your point that this class returns an object that's not even an instance of that class | 18:20 |
| andersonvom | I just think that we should change the interface in this case, and not just make it look like a class | 18:20 |
| andersonvom | if it's not too cumbersome, we can try and submit a new patch after this one | 18:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ziad Sawalha proposed a change to openstack/heat: Update common docstrings to match guidelines https://review.openstack.org/73519 | 18:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Docs: use the plugin manager to list resources https://review.openstack.org/76324 | 19:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Load functions from plugins https://review.openstack.org/74592 | 19:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Give cfn a separate Template class https://review.openstack.org/74589 | 19:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a plugin_manager module https://review.openstack.org/74590 | 19:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use PluginManager to load resources https://review.openstack.org/74591 | 19:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support proxying Heat API by using x-forwarded-for header https://review.openstack.org/75968 | 19:09 |
| aweiteka | sdake, i was playing with stack-update to add an instance to an existing stack. is that the intended use? | 19:09 |
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| therve | shardy, found my issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1251026 | 19:10 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: pong, I need a teddy-talk anyway | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: ok, TripleO meeting is on now, and then I need to eat lunch.. so in ~ 2 hours would work | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Richard Lee proposed a change to openstack/heat: Restructure contrib/ directories https://review.openstack.org/73417 | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Richard Lee proposed a change to openstack/heat: Generate docs for contrib plugins https://review.openstack.org/68751 | 19:22 |
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| sdake | aweiteka among others | 19:24 |
| aweiteka | sdake, ok. it doesn't appear to actually deploy any resources. i'm passing in an existing stack and new template and environment files. on havana. | 19:25 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: today is a mess for me, it might be more like 5 hours | 19:25 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: but if I get my changeset out then take a look | 19:26 |
| sdake | aweiteka I'm not certain if it can add resources, but I think it can - try shardy in the morning US | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: sounds like a good plan. :) | 19:26 |
| aweiteka | sdake, will do. thx | 19:26 |
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| jasond | anderson2om: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76324/1 compatible with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68751/17 ? | 19:38 |
| stevebaker | shardy: do you want me to raise any keystone devstack policy issues at the project meeting? | 19:38 |
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| andersonvom | jasond: humm... he's trying to solve the exact same issue | 19:42 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: you around? | 19:42 |
| zaneb | o/ | 19:43 |
| zaneb | andersonvom: ah, I actually just added you to that review only seconds ago | 19:44 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: just saw your patch here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76324/1 | 19:44 |
| zaneb | I didn't realise somebody was already working on it, sorry | 19:44 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: oh, I just wanted to double check it was the same thing. yeah, if you want to review the existing patch... ;) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68751/17 | 19:45 |
| zaneb | so the short story is that I did some refactoring, because we are going to start loading more kinds of plugins | 19:46 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: what do you mean? | 19:47 |
| zaneb | andersonvom: I created this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74590/2/heat/engine/plugin_manager.py | 19:48 |
| zaneb | and started using that instead to load the resources: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74591/2/heat/engine/resources/__init__.py | 19:48 |
| zaneb | so that I can do something similar for functions: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74592/2/heat/engine/template.py | 19:49 |
| zaneb | (next step: pluggable template formats) | 19:50 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: looking into all of them | 19:55 |
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| zaneb | andersonvom: I added a comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68751/17 | 20:07 |
| zaneb | I'm leaning toward letting that merge first and then rebasing on it. thoughts? | 20:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make OS::Nova::Server networks property updatable https://review.openstack.org/74299 | 20:12 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: ok... so, yeah there's still some setting up to do in conf.py, which you can see in our patch. everything else looks ok. | 20:25 |
| zaneb | andersonvom: is it a problem that I am loading a fresh environment every time _all_resources() is called? | 20:27 |
| zaneb | should I be doing what y'all have and loading it once in setup()? | 20:27 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: I was going to ask if you had any specifi reason to do that | 20:27 |
| zaneb | yes: ignorance | 20:27 |
| andersonvom | lol | 20:27 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: it's probably not necessary since that runs completely separate from everything else | 20:28 |
| zaneb | does _all_resources() get called multiple times? That was the part I am not clear on | 20:28 |
| zaneb | If so then my patch will still work, but is grossly inefficient | 20:29 |
| zaneb | not sure how much I care for docs purposes | 20:30 |
| zaneb | but that was the main reason that it seems better for your patch to merge first, and then I can rewrite to match that structure | 20:30 |
| andersonvom | it does get called multiple times | 20:30 |
| andersonvom | not that many, though | 20:31 |
| andersonvom | but I agree. if you want to let my patch merge first, then you can just fit in the missing pieces | 20:31 |
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| zaneb | andersonvom: I guess it gets called once for AWS:: and once for OS:: resources, and that's it? | 20:33 |
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| andersonvom | I see it being called four times here | 20:33 |
| andersonvom | let me see what they are | 20:33 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: yeah: AWS, Rackspace, Docker, OS | 20:35 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: and this number will increase as more plugins are added, I assume | 20:36 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Hi, sorry just seen your question - I think we just need that latest devstack review in | 20:39 |
| zaneb | yep, makes sense | 20:39 |
| shardy | stevebaker: It's just a big delay every time we need a devstack tweak to work around gate failures, but hopefully that should be the last <crosses fingers> | 20:39 |
| zaneb | I just -2'd my patch until such time as yours merges | 20:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support proxying Heat API by using x-forwarded-for header https://review.openstack.org/75968 | 20:39 |
| zaneb | andersonvom: and also +2's yours | 20:40 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: this is what we're now waiting on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76036/ | 20:40 |
| shardy | stevebaker: This whole thing is kind of annoying, as I tested everything against the default policy.json, only to later discover that's not what we actually gate on :( | 20:42 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: o/ | 20:44 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: welcome to my world (gate change latency ;) | 20:59 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Ha, yeah it's frustrating. Great work on the heat-slow stuff though, I'm really happy we have that working :) | 21:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Docs: use pydoc to read docstrings https://review.openstack.org/76367 | 21:20 |
| zaneb | andersonvom: was there I final verdict on the vim tabstop line? | 21:23 |
| zaneb | I'd be happy to kill them all, but for now I have just been copying other files | 21:23 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: I don't know. I have done that in the past and have had a few -1s specifically because of that line. | 21:24 |
| andersonvom | I thought one of you may have a better knowledge of whether we should keep them or kill them | 21:24 |
| andersonvom | :P | 21:24 |
| zaneb | it was discussed _at length_ on openstack-dev, to no real conclusion | 21:25 |
| zaneb | I'm going to go for consistency and keep copying existing files | 21:25 |
| zaneb | if somebody wants to go through and delete all of them, I would certainly +2 that patch | 21:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Raise NotFound in software_config_get/software_deployment_get https://review.openstack.org/76369 | 21:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: SignalResponder move signed URL deleting to its own method https://review.openstack.org/74205 | 21:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: RPC method to fetch deployments metadata https://review.openstack.org/74202 | 21:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: OS::Nova::Server support for software config https://review.openstack.org/67625 | 21:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Resource type implementation for software deployment https://review.openstack.org/67624 | 21:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Nova server to ref cloud-config resources in user_data https://review.openstack.org/69238 | 21:26 |
| zaneb | but I don't see any value in being inconsistent | 21:26 |
| jasond | andersonvom: the conclusion was to remove it | 21:27 |
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| andersonvom | jasond: oh, is it official? | 21:29 |
| jasond | andersonvom: that was the consensus and there were a bunch of bugs created to remove them all | 21:31 |
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| jasond | i guess not for heat though. i will gladly do it | 21:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeff Peeler proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Add template for single node instance of OpenShift https://review.openstack.org/75992 | 21:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Software config hook to provision using shell scripts https://review.openstack.org/70297 | 21:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Software config hook to provision using puppet https://review.openstack.org/70639 | 21:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: An example template demonstrating cloud-init config resources https://review.openstack.org/68549 | 21:41 |
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| zaneb | jasond: the patches for nova were all abandoned https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:noboilerplate,n,z | 21:44 |
| zaneb | I read that whole thread and didn't see anything like consensus | 21:45 |
| jasond | zaneb: wasn't there just one or two people who said it didn't matter? | 21:46 |
| zaneb | there were 25 messages in the thread, and all had a different opinion iirc :( | 21:46 |
| zaneb | jasond: I'll still +2 the patch if you submit it though ;) | 21:46 |
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| jasond | ok | 21:47 |
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| zaneb | if people have projects *not* using PEP8 indentation then *they* can put modelines in *their* projects as far as I am concerned | 21:48 |
| zaneb | the idea that every other project in the world should set up modelines to allow them to configure their editor in broken ways is daft | 21:48 |
| jasond | or better yet, in their personal .vimrc files :) | 21:49 |
| lifeless | onramps matter | 21:49 |
| zaneb | jasond: well, that was the problem. some guy had a weird thing in his personal .vimrc file, so he insisted that OpenStack have modelines so he didn't have to change it | 21:49 |
| jasond | haha | 21:50 |
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| zaneb | same goes for people who insist on every project in the world having a .gitignore for their particular editor's tempfiles | 21:51 |
| lifeless | I think you're entirely missing the point | 21:51 |
| zaneb | put it in your own global .gitignore | 21:51 |
| lifeless | we get lots of junior inexperienced devs, the benefits are substantial and real, and the cost inconsequential. | 21:52 |
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| lifeless | Making the onramp harder is not in our interests. | 21:52 |
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| lifeless | .gitignore is there for a reason, but your logic taken to its conclusion means we don't need it at all! | 21:53 |
| zaneb | I know that's the theory, I'm sceptical that it's a real problem | 21:53 |
| lifeless | zaneb: Well, lets not go around blaming developers for having issues. | 21:53 |
| lifeless | zaneb: lets instead focus on either gathering data to refute/confirm your theory (that its not a problem even though we have reports of it being one) | 21:53 |
| zaneb | lifeless: the projects .gitignore is for files created by the project, you global one is for files created by you | 21:53 |
| zaneb | jasond: anyway, as you can see, no consensus ;) | 21:54 |
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| jasond | lifeless: how could that data even be gathered? | 21:55 |
| lifeless | jasond: I don't know, but without it we're arguing from opinion. | 21:55 |
| lifeless | jasond: which I don't like. | 21:56 |
| jasond | lifeless: the topic comes up way too often. everyone has to look at those lines. i don't think anybody benefits | 21:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Alter stack_count_all_by_tenant to stack_count_all https://review.openstack.org/70853 | 21:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Change Stack timestamps to save correct info https://review.openstack.org/74519 | 21:56 |
| lifeless | jasond: so put the line at the very end of the file, and move the copyright there too | 21:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Unscoped List Stacks https://review.openstack.org/63041 | 21:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix stack_get_all call on stack watcher https://review.openstack.org/75495 | 21:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add project to unscoped stack list response https://review.openstack.org/72789 | 21:56 |
| lifeless | jasond: one can make the cost extremely low, such that very small benefits will offset it, | 21:56 |
| jasond | do you care about the issue enough to conduct a survey? | 21:56 |
| zaneb | jasond: no thinking allowed around here. only measuring. | 21:57 |
| * zaneb ducks | 21:57 | |
| lifeless | jasond: I find them useful from time to time; I've seen OMG I *cannot* tell you how bad code from new folk without them. | 21:57 |
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| zaneb | none of which will pass pep8 in the gate | 21:57 |
| lifeless | jasond: and for .gitignore specifically, I work on random machines with no personal setup far too often to tolerate a 'only ignore files that this project creates itself' policy | 21:58 |
| lifeless | zaneb: why not? | 21:58 |
| zaneb | lifeless: because flake8 enforces all the stuff that is specified in the modeline | 21:58 |
| lifeless | zaneb: oh, sorry, bound your comment to the point about moving the modelines around | 21:59 |
| lifeless | zaneb: actually flake8 doesn't enforce everything, the overlap is subtle though - you can be PEP8 compliant and still ugly | 21:59 |
| lifeless | but thats a sidebar | 21:59 |
| lifeless | finding out things are broken after you push is unpleasant | 21:59 |
| lifeless | at best | 21:59 |
| zaneb | true, but you generally don't screw it up twice | 22:00 |
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| andersonvom | sdake: around? | 22:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove vim header from files. https://review.openstack.org/76378 | 22:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move the code that reads the global environment https://review.openstack.org/76323 | 22:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a plugin_manager module https://review.openstack.org/74590 | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | stevebaker: ping | 22:19 |
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