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| sgran | afternoon | 13:49 |
| sgran | I'm curious about something and I wanted to get some feedback | 13:50 |
| sgran | I have a stack composed of several nested templates, and some resources in the top level template | 13:50 |
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| sgran | if I want to get a piece of information out of one of the nested templates to use in the top level, I'd have to implement that as an output in the nested template I think | 13:51 |
| sgran | does that sound correct? | 13:51 |
| sgran | maybe I should give a clearer example | 13:51 |
| sgran | I have a generic template that will create an autoscaling group of instances behind a neutron loadbalancer | 13:51 |
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| sgran | it creates a security group for the application port that allows access from the loadbalancer, and all the instances in the scaling group are in this security group | 13:52 |
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| shardy | sgran: Yes, that's correct, and those outputs are mapped to resource attributes if you use provider resources mapped via the environment (which is a native alternative to the AWS::CloudFormation::Stack resource) | 13:52 |
| sgran | I'd like to use a Ref to that security group in a top level resource, where I create a DB | 13:52 |
| sgran | shardy: do you have any examples of doing that? This is also happening on havana, so it might be slightly older now | 13:53 |
| shardy | sgran: You can't Ref the resource defined in the nested template, you have to do the Ref in the nested template and pass the value (e.g the security group ID) out via a stack output | 13:54 |
| zaneb | sgran: what is the exact type of the security group resource? | 13:54 |
| zaneb | sgran: what you're trying to do should work, and for OS::Neutron::SecurityGroup I believe it will, but it's broken or AWS security groups | 13:55 |
| zaneb | *for | 13:56 |
| sgran | oh, that's sad - I'm trying to do it for AWS secgroups | 13:56 |
| zaneb | :( | 13:56 |
| sgran | I can probably change it | 13:56 |
| zaneb | looking at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-heat-exorcism | 13:56 |
| sgran | I'm starting with an aws scaling group, so it seemed natural to use the aws secgroup as well | 13:56 |
| zaneb | I see that I wrote "Neutron Ports can reference only SecurityGroups created in the same stack." | 13:56 |
| zaneb | and the fix we agreed on at the summit session was: "OS::Neutron::SecurityGroup will fix this" | 13:57 |
| sgran | this will all be created together, just declared as nested stacks for lots of code reuse | 13:57 |
| sgran | ie, I have 4 or 5 applications, and the bring up for 3 or 4 of them is identical - I'm making those nested stack, using a parameterized chunk of json that does the same thing but with different parameters for those apps | 13:58 |
| sgran | the remaining few apps that are different are being declared in the top level json file | 13:59 |
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| sgran | just checking that you understand my waffling :) | 13:59 |
| zaneb | It's one of a class of problems where there were no OpenStack APIs to implement the AWS resources we needed at the time, so we just hacked it together inside Heat | 13:59 |
| zaneb | but for security reasons stacks are sort-of firewalled from each other inside Heat | 13:59 |
| zaneb | (no pun intended) | 13:59 |
| sgran | nod, it makes sense | 14:00 |
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| zaneb | sgran: that's a very valid use case and a very good design, but unfortunately Heat is broken in that respect where it concerns that particular resource (and a handful of others) | 14:04 |
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| zaneb | it's a known issue, and the plan is for the native Neutron stuff to resolve it | 14:05 |
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| sgran | ok | 14:08 |
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| sjmc7 | morning shardy | 16:02 |
| shardy | sjmc7: hi | 16:06 |
| sjmc7 | regarding the keystone/domain id issue we spoke about a week or so ago (https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1272451), it looks from dolph's answer that this is something will need changes in heat to support? | 16:06 |
| shardy | sjmc7: Yeah I'm just reading his comments, not sure I agree | 16:07 |
| sjmc7 | me neither, but i'm not sure i have the chops to argue either | 16:07 |
| shardy | sjmc7: Let me update the bug with my understanding of the issue, then we can see if that alters dolphm's opinion | 16:07 |
| SpamapS | shardy: Where are we with "native in-instance metadata access" ? | 16:08 |
| sjmc7 | ok. still seems weird these are non-optional | 16:08 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I am shaking the rust off https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/RollingUpdates and it sticks out to me that a large portion of it involves controlling metadata access. :) | 16:08 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: I'm in the process of finishing off support for a new StackUser base class, which will be the new subclass for SignalResponder, and can very easily form the basis of a new native user resource | 16:09 |
| shardy | Then we can provide a username/password to the instance for metadata access | 16:09 |
| SpamapS | shardy: sounds like "weeks" ? | 16:10 |
| shardy | SpamapS: I hope to have most of the required patches posted this week | 16:10 |
| shardy | but then I said that last week.. ;) | 16:10 |
| shardy | SpamapS: I'm very much hoping I can get the majority of stuff posted before the FPF | 16:10 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: ok, so you're thinking this week for the new base stackuser .. but then we can just query the native API for metadata using existing calls I presume? | 16:11 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: Yeah, that's the intention, but I'm still working out how we control what the user can/can't access, since the identity is in a different domain and project to the stack owner | 16:13 |
| SpamapS | shardy: balls. Ok. I will probably have to extend the cfn API then if I have any hope of making this work. :-P | 16:15 |
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| SpamapS | or... hm | 16:18 |
| SpamapS | maybe with resource group I can just shove a launchconfiguration in the nested stack and each box gets its own launchconfig | 16:18 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: I think things will be much prettier with your design if for no other reason than the users are in a different domain | 16:19 |
| SpamapS | If resource groups work.. I'll have a user for every single server... mixed in. :-P | 16:20 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Yeah, it should be much tidier when it's done | 16:20 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: stevebaker and I have been discussing the interface to enable easier deployment of credentials to a server, e.g via adding a property to OS::Nova::Server which creates the credentials and deploys it via nova metadata | 16:21 |
| shardy | so you won't need the template scaffolding which is currently required | 16:22 |
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| sdake | morning | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | shardy: yes I for one welcome our new Heat-automated-user-creating overlords | 16:25 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: so with that, the native equivalent of cfn-signal will just use a regular URL, but with username/pass? | 16:27 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: one advantage the signed S3 urls have over the way we do it is that S3 is basically left alone and allows anybodyw ith the signed URL to write.. there's no round trips to the auth backend... | 16:28 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I've kind of always wished we could do it that way.. :-P | 16:29 |
| shardy | SpamapS: you mean swift's signed URL scheme? | 16:29 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: AFAIK, swift's is a tempurl .. slightly different. | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | unless they grew S3-like signed urls | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | shardy: my point is just that We are lengthening the pipeline quite a bit by doing username/passwords (i know it is equivalent to the way we do it now) | 16:33 |
| SpamapS | shardy: we could shorten it by just handing out urls which we can then cancel when they're not supposed to be valid anymore. | 16:34 |
| SpamapS | but meh | 16:34 |
| SpamapS | I've gone off into optimization land | 16:34 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: please to ignore the above.. it is me avoiding doing the hard work of getting canary/rolling updates going again. :) | 16:34 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: I think there should be a better (keystone supported) solution to this use-case, but every project inventing their own auth-circumvention scheme is not the answer IMO | 16:38 |
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| lsmola | shardy: hello | 16:40 |
| shardy | lsmola: hi! | 16:40 |
| lsmola | shardy: just a quick question | 16:41 |
| shardy | sjmc7: bug #1272451 updated | 16:41 |
| lsmola | shardy: do you know how is heat using scheduler hints? | 16:41 |
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| lsmola | shardy: or for what? | 16:42 |
| shardy | lsmola: we're not, other than providing interfaces in the Instance/Server resource which allow users to specify arbitrary hints in their templates | 16:42 |
| shardy | See the scheduler_hints property of OS::Nova::Server | 16:43 |
| lsmola | shardy: and the hints are supposed to be for some extra matching? | 16:43 |
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| shardy | lsmola: they are for whatever the user wants | 16:43 |
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| lsmola | shardy: so so whatever you use them for in scheduler filter e.g. | 16:44 |
| lsmola | shardy: ok, thanks | 16:44 |
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| shardy | lsmola: Yep, we don't mandate any use-case or expose interfaces to specific filters, the user can just specify whatever hints they wish | 16:45 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: Right so I actually think that there should be a generic object store that has buckets with write-only capability .. swift seems the obvious place for that.. not keystone. | 16:46 |
| lsmola | shardy: ok, cool | 16:46 |
| SpamapS | shardy: but this is truly the type of optimization that comes _after_ we deploy a little Heat and it grows bigger. :) | 16:47 |
| SpamapS | thus.. I go back to my corner ;) | 16:47 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Yeah, I agree some waitcondition-ish resource backed by swift might be a cool feature in future | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I think the pieces are there, we just have to change our wait condition handle to hand those out instead. | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | shardy: and our wait condition to read them of course :) | 16:49 |
| SpamapS | but really | 16:49 |
| SpamapS | I must stop talking about optimization.. there is coal to shovel | 16:49 |
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| SpamapS | hrm | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | I need Metadata for each clone in OS::Heat::ResourceGroup | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | has anybody worked out how to address Metadata in nested stacks? | 17:19 |
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| DaveJ_ | Hi guys, trying to figure out if this is a bug. I'm using the cloud formation syntax to create template. I create a NetworkInterface, and then later try and reference the PrivateIpAddress, but it's failing | 18:45 |
| DaveJ_ | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/whjqsJ8i | 18:45 |
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| DaveJ_ | { "Fn::GetAtt" : [ "OAM01ManagementNetwork", "PrivateIpAddress" ] } is how I try and reference it | 18:45 |
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| DaveJ_ | The log is reporting InvalidTemplateAttribute: The Referenced Attribute (OAM01ManagementNetwork PrivateIpAddress) is incorrect | 18:47 |
| DaveJ_ | But going by the AWS documentation this should work | 18:47 |
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| DaveJ_ | See http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSCloudFormation/latest/UserGuide/aws-resource-ec2-network-interface.html#Return%20Values | 18:48 |
| DaveJ_ | Is it possible the stack tries to use this before the Ip has been allocated ? | 18:48 |
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| sjmc7 | guess that learns us, shardy | 18:55 |
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| sdake | boy fedorapeople is slow | 19:01 |
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| sdake | devstack seems to be giving me a consistent backtrace with any template file | 19:41 |
| sdake | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/74036/45645613 | 19:41 |
| sdake | any ideas? | 19:41 |
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| therve | sdake, Did you figure it out? There was a client bug, fixed in master | 20:17 |
| sdake | therve yup i updated and that seemed to fix it | 20:18 |
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| andersonvom | hey fellows... if I want to split a patch that changes the API, RPC, and Engine... the Engine and the API would be in different patches. What about the RPC? would it be with the Engine, the API, or separate? | 20:37 |
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| shardy | andersonvom: hi, is this re my comments? | 20:46 |
| shardy | andersonvom: normally the RPC API is associated with changes to the engine | 20:47 |
| shardy | because any change to the RPC interface normally directly affects code in engine/service.py | 20:48 |
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| andersonvom | shardy: yes... that was precisely it | 20:55 |
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| andersonvom | shardy: the reason I asked is because if I add the RPC changes to the engine patch, then a bunch of API tests break because of the updates to the RPC call, | 20:56 |
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| shardy | andersonvom: why,m isn't the new option defaulted in rpc/client.py? | 20:57 |
| andersonvom | shardy: it is defaulted, but there are several assertions on those values, so lots of tests break because they were not expecting that extra parameter to be there | 20:58 |
| sdake | note if you pull a new nova tree, make sure to remove stack/nova/nova/openstack/common/rpc/*pyc | 20:58 |
| shardy | andersonvom: but those test updates must exist in the combined patch anyway, right? | 20:59 |
| andersonvom | shardy: combined patch, yes. but moving them to the API patch would only touch API tests once. | 20:59 |
| andersonvom | shardy: otherwise, any new params added to the engine, will always imply in changes to the API tests, which feels funky | 21:00 |
| shardy | andersonvom: Yeah, that sounds like the mocking is maybe not being done in an optimal way | 21:01 |
| shardy | although that problem is common to many of our tests.. | 21:01 |
| shardy | andersonvom: I wasn't aiming to make a lot of work for you, just pointing out that in general big patches which touch every layer of heat are best avoided when possible | 21:02 |
| andersonvom | shardy: yeah... to me these mocks were not right, but I feel that refactoring this whole file would be outside of the scope of this patch ;) | 21:02 |
| andersonvom | shardy: yeah... I know your intentions were good. In general I've been doing things this way, actually. It's just that this patch changed in so many ways since it started, that I only wanted to do some patch splitting when it was close to being accepted | 21:04 |
| andersonvom | shardy: which hopefully is the case now ;) | 21:04 |
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| asalkeld | sdake, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70633/ | 21:06 |
| radix | SpamapS: rolling-updates looks pretty cool | 21:06 |
| andersonvom | shardy: anyhow... in your opinion, should I put RPC changes with Engine, API, or just keep them together for this patch? (I already moved the DB stuff to other patches) | 21:12 |
| shardy | andersonvom: Generally the RPC changes would go with the changes to the engine, as the RPC API is the interface to the engine | 21:14 |
| shardy | but if it's impractical due to test fallout, just split out what you can and keep them together | 21:14 |
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| andersonvom | shardy: thanks! | 21:18 |
| SpamapS | radix: thanks for looking at that. :) | 21:20 |
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| sdake | asalkeld thanks :) | 21:25 |
| sdake | looks like its fialing jenkins atm | 21:26 |
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| asalkeld | sdake, it's totally broke | 21:33 |
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| sdake | asalkeld you handing it off then? | 21:37 |
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| asalkeld | sdake, yeah - happy hacking | 21:44 |
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| sdake | asalkeld thanks for the starting work | 21:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Replace stack_get_all_by_tenant with stack_get_all https://review.openstack.org/70852 | 21:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Alter stack_count_all_by_tenant to stack_count_all https://review.openstack.org/70853 | 21:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Unscoped List Stacks https://review.openstack.org/63041 | 21:48 |
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| andersonvom | shardy: done! o/ | 21:51 |
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