Friday, 2013-12-20

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openstackgerritClint "SpamapS" Byrum proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a new "UpdateWaitConditionHandle" resource  https://review.openstack.org/6324500:03
SpamapSstevebaker: ^^ my hack until we get your stuff :)00:06
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stevebakerSpamapS: could that just be made default WaitHandle behaviour?00:13
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openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add migration method to test sqldump files  https://review.openstack.org/6325100:24
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Test that mysql tables are InnoDB  https://review.openstack.org/6325200:24
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Test db migration 31  https://review.openstack.org/6325300:24
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add migration test framework  https://review.openstack.org/6279600:24
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SpamapSstevebaker: no00:32
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SpamapSstevebaker: that would break people who are doing updates and don't expect to stall there00:32
SpamapSstevebaker: by clearing out the signals the waitcondition will spin until the signals arrive00:32
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openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a db check for CHARSET=utf8  https://review.openstack.org/6324100:39
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openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add migration method to test sqldump files  https://review.openstack.org/6325101:46
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Test that mysql tables are InnoDB  https://review.openstack.org/6325201:46
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Test db migration 31  https://review.openstack.org/6325301:46
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add migration test framework  https://review.openstack.org/6279601:46
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asalkeldbbl: picking kids up02:13
openstackgerritStephen Sugden proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add PortCheck resource  https://review.openstack.org/6207802:17
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asalkeldgrncdr, nice - I'll +2 once jenkins is happy02:57
grncdrcool, thanks (to everybody who reviewed) for going through so many rounds on that one02:57
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Allow the environment file to be specified via URL  https://review.openstack.org/6204403:35
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Show better error when json fail to parse template  https://review.openstack.org/6231105:07
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openstackgerritJenkins proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/6255106:05
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shardymorning08:16
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therveGood morning!08:16
skraynevmorning guys)08:17
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shardystevebaker: I guess you're not still around?08:24
shardyBeen wondering why there's still a queue of patches for stable/havana which didn't make the stable release08:25
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: wsgi.Resource exception handling to not log errors  https://review.openstack.org/6208008:36
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openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix misused assertTrue in unit tests  https://review.openstack.org/6308909:10
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: SignalResponder, set resource_id in the correct place  https://review.openstack.org/6286209:16
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openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix comparison with singletons  https://review.openstack.org/6285209:19
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openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix asserttion of types  https://review.openstack.org/6143609:21
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openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix order of arguments in assertEqual (patch 1/2)  https://review.openstack.org/6145709:30
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openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix order of arguments in assertEqual (patch 1/2)  https://review.openstack.org/6145709:45
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openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add new Ceilometer combination alarm resource  https://review.openstack.org/6267210:07
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lsmola_shardy: hello11:27
shardylsmola_: Hi!11:27
lsmola_shardy: I have a question about how the deployment goes11:27
shardylsmola_: I was about to ping you to ask a questopm actually..11:27
lsmola_shadower: :-)11:28
lsmola_shardy: :-)11:28
shardylsmola_: sure, you ask first :)11:28
lsmola_shadower: sorry11:28
lsmola_shardy: ok, I guess right now it deploys resources in the order as it is found in the template, right?11:28
lsmola_shardy: so i define 20 controller nodes, it deploys them then it goes to next and deploys 20 compute nodes, etc.11:29
lsmola_shardy: meaning if there won't be enough resources, it will not deploy those that are define later in the template?11:30
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shardylsmola_: Well we build a dependency graph, based on either exlplicit dependencies the user defines, or implicit dependencies based on which resource reference each other11:30
shardyBut yes, if e.g Nova runs out of resources, we'll just fail and stop when then instance fails to build11:31
lsmola_shardy: ok, that sounds promising :-)11:31
shardybut we will create stuff up until nova says error11:31
shardywe currently have no way of doing group allocations via nova, although I know it may become possible if the group scheduling features ever land11:31
lsmola_shardy: so, what i want to know11:32
lsmola_shardy, ow do you then deploy, going through dependency graph?11:33
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lsmola_shardy: my point is, it's possible to deploy a working stack even when you have not enough resources11:33
shardyYeah, we walk the graph backwards, and where no dependencies exist, we create things in parallel via coroutines11:34
shardylsmola_: well, if the underlying services permit it, e.g if nova has overcommit settings which enable you to use more memory than you really have11:34
lsmola_shardy: ok11:34
shardylsmola_: essentially Heat knows nothing about resources available in the cloud, we just make the calls to e.g nova then wait for the response to say active or error11:35
lsmola_shardy: hmm let's have example11:35
lsmola_shardy: we will have a substacks for 20controller nodes, 50 compute and 50 storage11:36
lsmola_shardy: and we want to deploy it on 12 nodes11:36
lsmola_shardy: is it possible to make some sort of incremental deploy following the ratio?11:37
lsmola_shardy: though it will be probably fun when it runs in parallel :-)11:37
lsmola_shardy: so you would en up with 2 controller, 5 compute and 5 storage, with heat stack fail11:38
shardylsmola_: So you mean partially deploy the stack, then wait for user confirmation, then continue?11:38
shardyOr be able to restart from a failes state?11:38
shardys/failes/failed11:38
lsmola_shardy: but it should be enough to just heat stack-update with the new numbers, and it would work without redeploying, right?11:38
shardylsmola_: Yes, that would work now, you just start with a small number on create, then do stack-update with some bigger number and heat will add the stuff11:39
lsmola_shardy: ok, we can basically write script that does that :-)11:39
shardywe are also working on ways to allow user controlled partial updates (for canary deployments in a rolling update scenario) and also enabling updates to be retried when they fail11:40
shardythis last two features don't exist yet tho11:40
lsmola_shardy: ok11:40
lsmola_shardy: I think it should be great to be able to have this on heat side11:40
shardylsmola_: My question for you, was can the autoscaling notifications you need come via RPC notifications?11:41
lsmola_shardy: so it can be optimized better to run in parallel :-)11:41
lsmola_shardy: hmm, to be true, we haven't been talking much about autoscaling yet11:42
shardyi.e does Tuskar have access to the openstack message bus or only ReST interfaces?11:42
lsmola_shardy: though i thought it will be tied to ceilometer like Overcloud11:42
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shardylsmola_: I'm talking about the part where we notify you before a scale-down event happens, so you can evacuate the compute node11:43
lsmola_shardy: uf :-) AFAIK tuskar is not accessing to message bus11:43
shardylsmola_: Ok, thanks that's what I needed to know :)11:43
lsmola_shardy: hmm11:44
shardycontext https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62087/11:44
lsmola_shardy: I don't think that will go through Tuskar-API11:44
shardywhich won't be suitable for your needs11:44
openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack/heat: Trove Resource Update  https://review.openstack.org/6053211:44
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lsmola_shardy: hmm11:45
shardylsmola_: I actually think we will need some new template level interfaces to handle it, so you can define config operations which happen prior to scale-down11:45
shardybut I need to speak to radix to see where he sees that capability being implemented11:46
lsmola_shardy: well it's basically calling of several Overcloud nova commands11:46
lsmola_shardy: and yes it needs to happen before the Node is being re-provisioned11:47
lsmola_shardy: yes, I am not sure now, where to put the actual logic11:48
lsmola_shardy: calling nova commands only for nova instances of course11:49
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lsmola_shardy: the code of scaling up and down is now put into Ceilometer?11:50
lsmola_shardy: like Ceilometer triggers the code when Alarm fires?11:51
shardylsmola_: ceilometer does the metric collection and alarming, then it triggers the scaling event in Heat11:51
shardylsmola_: yes, basically11:51
lsmola_shardy: hmm ok, so defining it the same way, for before_alarm, alarm, after_alarm ?11:52
lsmola_shardy: that could make sense11:52
lsmola_shardy: and ceilometer would trigger those events11:52
lsmola_shardy: so that is a Ceilometer and Heat extension I suppose11:53
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shardylsmola_: I think ceilometer would just trigger the alarm, and Heat would handle doing the pre-scaling orchestration11:54
shardylsmola_: we just need a way to define it, probably via software config resources which stevebaker is currently working on11:54
lsmola_shardy: hmm, ok11:55
shardyand we need native Autoscaling resources, so we can add interfaces which don't exist in the AWS compatible resources11:55
lsmola_shardy: looking forward to hear about that :-)11:55
shardylsmola_: haha, me too ;)11:55
lsmola_shardy: ok maybe one last question11:55
shardylsmola_: I'll speak to stevebaker and radix, so we make sure these requirements are properly captured11:55
lsmola_shardy: i was talking with lifeless the other day11:56
lsmola_shardy: excellent11:56
lsmola_shardy: and the reason the Init scripts are now apart of the heat template is that they think there is no place for them now11:56
lsmola_shardy: i suppose they should run just once after stack-create11:57
lsmola_shardy: and should be ignored in update11:57
shardyI think that should become possible with the software-config functionality stevebaker is working on11:58
lsmola_shardy: plus, there needs to be some knowledge about the application11:58
lsmola_shardy: because the heat would have to run CLI commands inside openstack it just deployed11:58
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shardylsmola_: Heat doesn't care what you run, it's just scripts that we will pass to the CM tool in the instance11:59
lsmola_shardy: ok, is there some wiki or bp for it?11:59
shardylsmola_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/hot-software-config11:59
shardyhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/hot-software-config-spec12:00
lsmola_shardy: ok, excellent12:00
lsmola_shardy: i will finish some reviews, and i am going to read all the bp's you have posted yesterday12:01
lsmola_shardy: thank you for your help :-)12:01
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lifelessshardy: lsmola_: it's not that there is no place, it's that there is no 'do once on one node of the cluster and btw you are orchestrating APIs you *deployed*'12:17
lifelessthere are two nontrivial problems there to solve12:17
lifelesswe're just ignoring them until real issues like 'you can't update a stack with waitconditions' are solved :)12:17
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shardylifeless: So I'm thinking the software-config resources may provide a solution, where you have one config which gets applied to e.g deploy the API, then another which gets applied later, to do final configuration of the services12:24
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shardyatm you can only deploy config at VM deployment time, but with the stuff stevebaker is working on, it should AIUI be possible to define a config then apply it to an existing instance12:25
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openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack/heat: Trove Resource Update  https://review.openstack.org/6053212:35
openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix order of arguments in assertEqual (patch 1/2)  https://review.openstack.org/6145712:35
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lsmola_lifeless: yes I am quite interested in whether it can be solved by software-config shardy is pointing out13:07
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sdakemorning guys14:14
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shardyHi sdake14:16
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sdakehey shards14:17
sdakeradix morning you around?14:17
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openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack/heat: Trove Resource Update  https://review.openstack.org/6053215:27
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openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack/heat: Trove Resource Update  https://review.openstack.org/6053216:00
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shardysergmelikyan: around?16:58
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Adds parameter_groups to HOT specification.  https://review.openstack.org/6118216:59
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SpamapShrm... my retrying update seems to get stuck in UPDATE_IN_PROGRESS .. :-/17:29
SpamapSvery hard to see why though17:29
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openstackgerritTim Schnell proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updates template_validate call to validate parameter_groups.  https://review.openstack.org/6160119:21
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openstackgerritVijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement adopt-stack  https://review.openstack.org/6273019:51
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openstackgerritTim Schnell proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adds Parameter Label to HOT spec and parameter schema  https://review.openstack.org/6241820:21
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openstackgerritJason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Allow an in-progress stack to be deleted  https://review.openstack.org/6300221:04
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openstackgerritChmouel Boudjnah proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Increase test_resources coverage  https://review.openstack.org/6352121:37
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openstackgerritVijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement adopt-stack  https://review.openstack.org/6273021:52
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openstackgerritRandall Burt proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove override of "patch" function  https://review.openstack.org/6354322:48
openstackgerritRandall Burt proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add contrib to py26 and py27 gates  https://review.openstack.org/6119122:48
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